BIBLE VS QURAN (BOTH CLAIM TO HAVE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLE BUT WHO IS RIGHT)?
Originally Posted by chalks75
Quran does not contradict when any ESTABLISHED scientific fact while Bible contradicts with many ESTABLISHED scientific facts. Don’t take the word of a Muslim on this but rather look into why many well educated Christians like Dr. Keith Moore, Dr. Maurice Bucaille and Prf. Tagatat Tejasen accepted Quran as a living miracle?
For Bible one don’t have to go beyond page 1 to see how much Bible agrees with science and common sense.
On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
Anyways I will again advice you to keep an open mind and read Quran by yourself. The thread I mentioned before was just created to show you a glimpse and rest is for you to discover at your own.
CAN I POINT OUT ANY FACTS IN QURAN WHICH ARE YET TO BE DISCOVERED?
First thing I want to state that Quran is not a book of science. It is book of signs for those who are search for truth and book of guidance for those who believe in it.
Second, there are so many facts in Quran which science have not discovered yet but it may be able to discover those in future. Would you believe if I quote any such facts from Quran? You will not, why because you are not a believer. You need an evidence and your evidence could only come through science which may not be able to prove these facts in your life time. I am sure that you will say that Quran is not a book of science and I am reading too much into it to predict things? This is exactly the problem when atheist make such requests. But anyway, I will try to give you enough evidence and hope these help to change your mind.
I initially thought I should just give you a paragraph of such a prediction as you requested but on second thought through this post I should take you on a journey in an attempt to explain the creation of universe through Quran just see how perfectly Quran agrees with ESTABLISHED scientific facts on the creation of earth. I will also discuss how the universe will end based on Quranic description, this is something science is yet to establish but there are several hypothesis and we can see if those align with Quranic view about end of universe. I will also go over briefly the age of universe and see if science has yet to confirm what Quran says about the age of the universe. Finally I will discuss what Quran and science says about the possibility of having more than one universe?
In summary I will go over the followings:
1. How Quran agrees with ESTABLISHED scientific facts about the creation of Universe.
2. How Quran describes the universe will end and what science has yet to prove on this subject. Are there any scientific theories about the end of universe and do they align with Quranic description?
3. What is the age of Universe? What does Quran and science say about it?
4. Are there more universes and what does Quran and science say about it?
1.CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE:
With the vast amount of information that was collected in the last century through the observation of deep space, as well as the development of the Relativity theory and Quantum Mechanics, scientists are at last in a position to work out how the universe began. Today, speculation and scientific research into cosmology lies outside the realm of religion, to the extent that some scientists today do not consider the creation of the universe to be a divine act at all. However, the same scientists are well aware that when they trace the age of the universe to its origin, or to that moment that sparked the beginning, they too concede that science becomes unable to explain the events of that initial moment, for at that initial moment all the laws of physics seem to break down.
The failure of some scientists to contribute this initial moment of creation to a divine creator stems from the fact that they regard this initial moment as the moment when all the laws of physics break down, rather than being the moment when all the laws of physics came to be, or in other words, when all the laws of physics were set. The question which they do not seem to tackle is: by whom?
The creation of the universe is a subject that is given great attention in the Quran. The huge and varied amount of information contained in the Quran about almost every stage and aspect of the creation continues to astound scientists today because of its very accurate agreement with current knowledge. How can a book written in the 7th century contain such a rich amount of scientific information that was to be attained 14 centuries later? For those reasons, neutral and unbiased observers do consider this to be valid evidence that such a book could never have been the product of any human being.
All the evidence available today suggests an explosive origin to the universe, one that brought space, time and matter into existence. This is what is referred to as the Big Bang. The theory of the Big Bang which has successfully replaced the Steady State theory was worked out in the 1920's by two scientists quite independently of each other. They were the Russian meteorologist Alexksandr Friedmann and the Belgian mathematician Georges Lemaitre.
The Big Bang itself resulted from an extremely dense singularity. The creation of the universe is one of matter, space and time that are intimately linked together. Matter and space were joined as one and then were separated in the explosion. This is very accurately described in the Quran:
Have the disbelievers not seen that the skies (space) and the earth (matter) were a joined entity, then We ripped them apart? (Quran 21:30)
The subsequent history of the Big Bang saw the Americans George Gamow, Ralph Alpher and Robert Horman indicate that the whole event took place at a very high temperature; it was a hot Big Bang. This view has been confirmed by the later discovery of the background microwave radiation. The eventual formation of galaxies resulted as a condensation, under gravitational pull, of hot gases which were mainly hydrogen, but may have also contained helium and a few other light elements. With the passing of time, and with the formation of galaxies, the gas gradually condensed into individual stars. The universe in its very early stages was, thus, still in the form of hot gases. This is confirmed in the Quran in the following verse:
Then He took hold of the sky while it was smoke. (Quran 41:11)
Note that the verse did not say clouds or gas, but smoke, which is a very accurate description as smoke is hot gas, whilst clouds and gas could be hot or cold.
Once stars were formed, a system had to be devised to govern their motion. The kinetic energy stored in the forward movement of these bodies could not be relied upon on its own, otherwise stars and also planets would have shot off in straight lines dispersing into space. No planet would ever revolve around its mother star, which also applies to earth and thus, life would not have evolved on earth, because life on earth is so dependent on the heat, light and energy derived from the sun.
Gravity, a brilliant divine force, works as an equating factor to the centrifugal force to induce precise orbits for all heavenly bodies. The speed, mass and distance of two bodies have to be worked out very precisely to induce an orbit.
If you were to throw a tennis ball upwards towards the sky, it would travel upwards as a result of the kinetic energy stored in the throw but, eventually, the gravity of the earth will take over and the ball will fall back to the ground. But, if you were to throw the ball at a very high speed (say 10km per second) it would escape the gravity of the earth and leave the earth altogether. This is what is known as the escape velocity. It is the speed required for a moving body to enable it to escape the gravity of a heavenly body such as a planet or a star.
When an artificial satellite is placed into orbit around the earth, what happens is that at a required distance, while the satellite is shooting out of the earth's gravitational field, its speed is reduced which reduces its kinetic energy and with some directional adjustments its kinetic energy can be equated with the earth's gravity. All these adjustments must be very precisely calculated and executed for an orbit to be obtained.
When one looks at the endless orbits of moons (around their planets), of planets (around their stars), of stars (around the center of their galaxies), we can only gasp in awe at the intelligent force who designed all these orbits.
These very accurate balances are mentioned in the following verses:
The sun and the moon, running with utmost precision. (Quran 55:5)
The following verse speaks of the balance which must be calculated to obtain the orbits:
And the heaven, He raised it and set the balance. (Quran 55:7)
The orbits of the heavenly bodies are mentioned in the verse:
The sun and the moon; each swimming in an orbit. (Quran 21:33)
The next stage sees these massive newly formed stars start to shrink under their own gravitational pull. As a result, their central regions become denser and thus, hotter. When the material in the center of the star has heated up sufficiently, to be exact, at least seven million degrees K, nuclear reactions begin. These reactions, which are similar to those which take place in a hydrogen bomb, continue throughout the life of the star. These reactions are distinctly different from ordinary combustion of burning wood. What actually takes place inside a star is that hydrogen is converted to helium with the emission of huge energy.
The following verse speaks about brilliant stars and their fuel:
Its oil (fuel) almost lights up even though no fire has touched it. (Quran 24:35)
The verse mentions a star, it's fuel and a reaction which is not combustion (fire). Short of saying 'nuclear reactions' the verse is a very accurate description of what goes on inside a star.
These nuclear reactions cause the stars to radiate all types of radiation into space, from x-rays and gamma rays in the short waves all the way to the longer radio waves. The visible section of those waves which are found between the ultra-violet and the infra-red is what we call sunlight.
On the other hand, the planets do not emit any light of their own, but only reflect light. The differentiation between bodies that emit light of its own, like a lamp, and those that merely reflect light is made in the following verse:
Blessed is the One who placed constellations in the sky and placed in it a lamp (sun), and an illuminating moon. (Quran 25:61)
He is the One who rendered the sun to emit light and the moon a light. (Quran 10:5)
In 1965, a very important discovery was made, and that was the background radiation which confirmed the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang theory, together with the detection of the red shift in the spectrum of faraway galaxies, gave birth to yet the new concept of the expanding universe.
Further confirmation of the theory of the expanding universe was obtained from the spectrum analysis of faraway galaxies. When you hear a police car or ambulance approaching you and then moving away, you will notice a change in the pitch of its siren. As the vehicle approaches, the siren wails at a higher pitch than when it moves away. Yet, in reality the siren is wailing at the same pitch all the time. To the driver of the vehicle the sound of the siren never changes. Why does this happen? The reason is that the waves of sound emitted by the siren change in frequency, which causes a change in pitch. This principle, which is called the Doppler Effect after its discoverer, applies to any waves and not only that of sound. When applied to light waves it was found that if the source of light is approaching its light would be shifted towards the blue end of the spectrum, while as light from a receding source would be shifted towards the red end of the spectrum. When analyzing the light we receive from distant galaxies it was found that they all had a red shift meaning that they were flying away from us. This contribution of the red shift analysis meant that the universe is indeed expanding.
This conclusion is mentioned in the Quran:
And the universe, We have constructed with might, and We are expanding it. ( Quran 51:47)
Note that the word "expanding" is used in the present tense and not in the past which again is in agreement with the fact that the expansion of the universe is a continuous process.
2.END OF UNIVERSE
When the Quran was revealed in the 7th century, it was still believed that all the stars in the sky, including our sun, were eternal and are made of a material that never fades or decays. No one was aware of the nature of the reactions that took place inside stars, for that was to be 20th century atomic theory territory. This information as shown was mentioned in the Quran.
Atomic reactions take place inside a star for a finite time, eventually running out of energy. When that stage is reached, a star like our sun will undergo a series of drastic changes. First, it will expand to become a red giant. The nearest planet, Mercury, would be swallowed up and the intense heat given off by the sun in this red giant stage would cause all the seas and oceans on earth to boil over and evaporate, signaling the end of life on earth. Eventually, the star would start to collapse and lose its luster; it is then extinguished and ends up as a white dwarf. This stage of a star's life is described in the Quran with the words:
When the stars are extinguished. (Quran 77:8)
The finite life of stars is also referred to:
He subjected the sun and the moon, each to run for a specified term. (Quran 13:2)
Sura, 81 in its opening verses, describes the end of time as follows:
When the sun is rolled (swelling like a ball), and when the stars collapse. (Quran 81:1-2)
When the seas are set aflame. (Quran 81:6)
Are there any complete paragraphs which little more description about end of universe?
I swear by the Day of Resurrection. 2.
And I swear by the blaming soul. 3.
Does man think that We will not reassemble his bones? 4.
Yes indeed; We are Able to reconstruct his fingertips. 5.
But man wants to deny what is ahead of him. 6.
He asks, “When is the Day of Resurrection?” 7.
When vision is dazzled. 8.
And the moon is eclipsed. 9.
And the sun and the moon are joined together. (Quran 75: 1-8)
Notice in verse 4 above Quran mentioned fingertips because every human being has unique finger prints and this was not known to us until last century.
By those unleashed in succession. 2.
Storming turbulently. 3.
Scattering far and wide. 4.
Separating decisively. 5.
Delivering a message. 6.
Excusing or warning. 7.
Surely what you are promised will happen. 8.
When the stars are obliterated. 9.
And the sky is fractured. 10.
And the mountains are blown away. 11.
And the messengers are alerted. 12.
Until which day is it deferred? 13.
Until the Day of Decision. (Quran 77: 1-13)
When the sun is rolled up. 2.
When the stars are dimmed. 3.
When the mountains are set in motion. 4.
When the relationships are suspended. 5.
When the beasts are gathered. 6.
When the oceans are set aflame. 7.
When the souls are paired. 8.
When the girl, buried alive, is asked: 9.
For what crime was she killed? 10.
When the records are made public. 11.
When the sky is peeled away. 12.
When the Fire is set ablaze. 13.
When Paradise is brought near. 14.
Each soul will know what it has readied. (Quran 81: 1-14)
As you see Quran provides very clear description of how the universe will end. I am sure we will not be here to verify this but we can see what prediction scientists have made and compare those to Quranic description to see if they align? Some link below on what scientists think about how universe will end:
3. THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE
Whilst the Big Bang provided an explanation as to the origin of the universe, it still remained necessary to calculate its age. To do so, astronomers once again rely on red shift to calculate the speeds and distances of the furthest galaxies and quasars. These distances provide good indications to the age of the universe. The most distant quasars, which have velocities of some 240,000 km/sec (80% the speed of light), are at distances of up to 14 billion light years from earth. When we look into the depth of space, we are actually looking back far into the past. When we are looking at such a distant quasar, we are not seeing it as it is now, but as it was 14 billion years ago.
The calculation of the age of the universe during the last 70 years or so has fluctuated between 10 and 20 billion years.
It is interesting to know that the age of the universe has been mentioned in the Quran. This information is found in the combined significance of the following two verses:
1- The angels and the Ruh ascend to Him in a day the measure of which was fifty thousand years. (Quran 70:4)
2- A day with your Lord is like a thousand years of your count. (Quran 22:47)
This first verse refers to the ascent of angels back to heaven after settling all matters of life in the universe.
The verse clearly said a day that "was" and not a day that "is", which clearly indicates that that day was in the past (50,000 years ago).
With a few simple equations:
If 1 day (for God) = 1000 years (for man)
1 year (for God) = 1000 x 365 (for man)
= 365,000 years
Therefore, 50,000 years (for God) = 365,000 x 50,000 (for man)
= 18.25 billion!
The 50,000 years mentioned in point 1 above are of God's years and not of man's. This is because man was not mentioned at all in that verse, and more importantly because the subject of the verse (creation of the universe) is obviously a matter executed by God and not by man and so, its description is related to God and not to man.
This becomes evident when we compare this verse to other verses that clearly speak of years as related to man's count, such as:
A day the measure of which is one thousand years of your count. (Quran 32:5)
As we can see, the age of the universe given in the Quran (18.25 billion years) is older than the age agreed upon by scientists today which is 13.8 billion years.
However, when we look into the methods by which scientists arrived at the age of 13.8 billion years, we can understand why this age is no more than an estimated age. The 13.8 estimation could well be an under estimation for two reasons:
The quasar that is estimated to be 14 billion light years away, and whose light took 14 billion years to reach us does not necessarily mean that the universe is 14 billion years old for the following reason:
The light that reaches us from that quasar tells us that the quasar has been a quasar for at least 14 billion years. However, it does not tell us the length of time from the Big Bang up to the formation of that quasar! There must have been a period of time after the Big Bang when that quasar did not exist. How long was that period of time? To accurately calculate the age of the universe, this period of time must be added to the 14 billion years, which would mean that the universe is older than 14 billion years.
Astronomers estimate the age of the universe in two ways:
1- By looking for the oldest and farthest stars, galaxies and quasars.
2- By measuring the rate of expansion of the universe and extrapolating back to the Big Bang.
Both of these methods are based on available observations and are constantly revised with better apparatus and new discoveries.
1- The oldest stars
: This method is based on the already detected stars in the observable universe. We can only detect what our instruments allow us to observe and detect. The observable universe has been consistently getting bigger with the advance in technology and instrumentation. There is no reason to think that this trend will stop in the future. A bigger universe, with farther stars and galaxies means an older universe.
2- The rate of expansion
: Even though the rate of expansion of the universe is accelerating, it is dependent on what is called the Hubble constant, whose estimation has been increased a number of times. The Hubble constant is dependent on how much matter is in the universe, as well as the amount of dark energy in the universe. Both of these values are estimations at best.
When we examine the verses in the Quran that relate to this subject, not only do we find incredible information concerning the creation and existence of multiple universes, but also regarding the barriers that lie between them.
Multiple universes are mentioned in more than one verse in the Quran such as:
Did you not see how God created seven universes in layers? (Quran 71:15)
The barriers that exist between these universes are mentioned in the following verse:
If you are able to penetrate through the regions of the heavens and the earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without authorization. (Quran 55:33)
The word "penetrate" implies the existence of barriers between the zones of the skies (universes).
Our universe, as we know it today, includes within it all the stars and galaxies that we have detected in the sky so far. If multiple universes exist, they lie outside and beyond all these galaxies. This too seems to be in harmony with the information given in the Quran:
We adorned the lowest universe with lamps (stars). (Quran 41:12)
As we see Quran mentioned that there are 7 universe, the one we can see is the lowest of those universes. Quran also mentioned that we will not be able to penetrate from one universe to another without authorization. What has been the understanding of the size of universe in the past? What does science say about the size of universe and about number of universes mentioned in Quran?
When astronomers discuss the universe, they are always talking about the observable universe. If we go back to the days of the ancient Egyptians five thousand years ago, we find that their understanding of size of the universe was no more than the dome of the sky, covering the earth like the dome in a planetarium. The stars seemed, at the most, some thousands of kilometres away. The Greek astronomers, some two thousand or more years ago, thought of the universe as a sphere but still approximately of the same size.
Copernicus, who believed the sun and not the earth to be the center of the spherical universe, thought it was much bigger than this, but not until about 170 years ago did anyone really know the distance of even the nearest stars.
Then they found that the distance to stars should be measured in millions of millions of kilometers. Even so, it was still a very small universe, with all the stars being together in one large star island.
It was not until the 1920's that astronomers discovered that our galaxy was only one of millions of others. Only then did astronomers start to appreciate the actual size of the universe.
Astronomers are today debating the issue of whether our universe is the only one in existence.
The idea of multiple universes is closely linked with the Black Hole concept. Certainly, the squashing of matter into an infinitely small area inside a Black Hole is in sharp disagreement with the Law of conservation of matter. It has been suggested that all matter falling into a Black Hole could be ejected into another time-space universe in what is referred to as a White Hole. Mathematical studies of space and time do show that this is possible in theory; but does it happen in practice? We do not know, but there certainly seems to be regions in deep space from where material is pouring out into our universe in what looks like a White Hole.
The jet of material from the active elliptical galaxy M 87 is a case in point. Has it come from a White Hole connected to a Black Hole in some other universe?
An alternate analysis that could also provide an equally valid justification for the existence of multiple universes is associated with the speed of light.
Between the years 1905-15, in his Theory of Relativity, Albert Einstein stated that the speed of light is a limiting velocity in the universe; nothing can travel faster than light. His theory also outlined that the speed of light is constant, unaffected by the movement of its source and independent of all observers. Quasars, which are the most distant objects in the universe travel at speeds approaching 80% of the speed of light but nothing travels faster than the speed of light.
Could it be that the speed of light acts as a gate, a valve or a barrier between our universe and other universes? Perhaps a different time-space universe where matter, if it can still be called so, exists and is travelling at speeds faster than that of light? We cannot cross that barrier ourselves nor can any physical matter, but there are strong indications that there is some kind of existence on the other side.
A mention should be given here to some speculation concerning particles called tachyons which occur in some nuclear reactions. These particles are believed to travel faster than light. They can never travel at the speed of light, only faster. In short, tachyons behave in just the opposite way from matter, but as no one has actually observed a tachyon, could the reason be because they exist in a different dimension of time-space?
Anyways scientists have not yet proven that there are multiple universes but they have many reasons as mentioned above to believe in it. See some links below:
So there you have it. Some evidence that how Quran agrees with the facts established through modern science and also predicts what may be established through science in future. If you have read Bible twice which falsely claims the universe came into being in 6 days then you should probably read Quran at least 100 times. I am telling you that the answer to all of your questions is in Quran that is why it is a living miracle.