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Caplets
08-20-2019, 11:43 PM
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I understand that the transmitters of al-Qur'aan also transmitted the ahadeeth. Therefore, it stands that a rejection of one being a rejection of the other.
This is an argument that can be presented to ahadeeth rejecters.

Looking for chain(s) of transmitters for the Qur'aan.

Files (pdf, word etc.), articles, book titles etc would be appreciated.

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'Abdullah
08-21-2019, 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Caplets
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I understand that the transmitters of al-Qur'aan also transmitted the ahadeeth. Therefore, it stands that a rejection of one being a rejection of the other.
This is an argument that can be presented to ahadeeth rejecters.

Looking for chain(s) of transmitters for the Qur'aan.

Files (pdf, word etc.), articles, book titles etc would be appreciated.

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Brother you are talking about two different things. Compilation of hadith is different than compilation of Quran. Quran was compiled during the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH both in written and oral form. There have been thousands of memorizers in each generation and making any change in Quran would have been impossible. Therefore for Quran you don't need any chains or transmitters, Hafiz of Quran are our chains of narrations.
Compilation of hadith is different than compilation of Quran. The need for hadith compilation was only realized after two centuries of Prophet Muhammad PBUH's death. Sahih Muslim and Bukhari both are written after three centuries. We do need chain of narration for hadiths to categorize hadiths, that's not the case with Quran. This is the reason why hadith and Quran are two separate sources. One is Divine and has no doubt about its authenticity while other is written down by men and it is not as reliable as Quran is.
Hope that helps, and Allah knows the best.
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Caplets
08-22-2019, 12:47 AM
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Allaah Yahdeek , thank you for your reply.

Hafiz of Quran are our chains of narrations
In other words , the Isnaad. The names of transmitters are known to us - until the beginning of the chain (Allaah 'azza Wa Jall)


We do need chain of narration for hadiths to categorize hadiths, that's not the case with Quran.
If we did not have the isnaad then any person could claim something was from the Qur'aan that in reality wasn't. Further, how would one conclusively decide one way or another without chains?

Reason for the post was as a result of watching some videos from 'Speakers Corner' (London, UK). I know at least one 'ahadeeth rejector' and so this line of argument may prove useful inshaaAllaah.

In the first video, brother Adnan Rashid (vs ahadeeth rejector) mentions that the transmitters of the qur'aan are the same people who transmitted the hadeeth.

See time frame (start - 1:05) .

https://youtu.be/pBg4XqIoc9E

In the second, brother(s) Mansour and Adnan display an isnaad of a transmission of the Qur'aan - of the Qiraa'ah of 'Aasim /the riwaayah of Hafs.

See from (3:05) for isnaad display.

https://youtu.be/z2BsZdkiOXE

A link has been provided in the comments section (of the second video) for a download of the isnaad display.

Hope that helps
Still searching for examples of isnaads for both al-Qur'aan
and ahadeeth to support the argument made by the brother (s)

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Ahmed.
08-22-2019, 03:09 PM
walaikum assalam

Brother you can just say to the hadith rejectors that 'Quran only' people are kuffar by the absolute consensus of the Muslim ummah.

Let them think they are believers (in reality they know they are kuffar and just trying to mess with Islam) but all that matters to us is, we know they are not.

Providing them with sound evidence that they are kuffar is irrelevant as they wouldn't be hadith rejectors if they accepted sound evidence.
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Caplets
08-23-2019, 01:59 AM
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Many people have family members who may be hadeeth rejectors and so giving up on them is not something easily done . One has to attempt all possible avenues and in doing so - seek Allaah's help.
Present the arguments in a manner they may be able to understand, deal with any errors in understanding etc. If they still reject then that's their loss.

Researching, developing and refining arguments - someone down the line may benefit.
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