format_quote Originally Posted by
Yrvhere?
So the verse mentions "fight". It does not necessarily mean physical fight nor does it mean verbal. It means to keep hate in your for disbelievers. This is a very important concept in islam which is known as " Love and hate for the sake of Allah". We love those who are muslims and we hate those who disbelieve!
Oh, so you are saying that as soon as a say the shahada I have to start hating my parents, my family, my friends and everyone who is not a Muslim?
I think I prefer the Christians attitudes who even love their enemies.
Hating is such an awful feeling that could easily turn into violence even if is not supposed to.
Well, thank you for that, that explains many things.
I'm starting to understand Islam better now.
Now, let me ask you something since I took the time to research and I tried to use the best possible islamic sources to make my points.
Where did you get that the word "fight" actually means "hate" in this case?
I used Ibn Kathir interpretation.
Who did you use?
Can you provide me a link please?
format_quote Originally Posted by
Yrvhere?
And about the verse "there is no compulsion in religion", we dont put knife on their neck if they are christians or jews etc.(unless they abuse islam). yes, we have to keep hate in our hearts towards them, but we dont have to fight them physically or verbally in vain!
I see, so there is no physical fight unless they abuse Islam.
Now what is that mean?
If they express what they believe to be the truth by saying Islam is a false religion an Muhammad is not a real prophet.
Can that be considered an abuse towards Islam?
In the west we do that all the time and is what we call freedom of speech.
format_quote Originally Posted by
Yrvhere?
Even if its our family who disbelieves, we have to keep that hate for the sake of Allah in our hearts. As for parents, we have to be kind anyway but again keep that hate in our heart because they disbelieve!
Your interpretation is a lot nicer than the one from Ibn Kathir.
You even say that you have to be kind with your parents anyway even when you have to hate them.
Ibn Kathir said:
Allah commands shunning the disbelievers, even if they are one's parents or children,
I definitely prefer your interpretation rather than Ibn Kathir's but I'm not sure everyone agrees with you.