Women-obedience -test

[Sunshineday]

I think things are controversial as people just to marriage situation first and then call it oppression and it is a particular problem, when people don't look at discipline, being a servant.

Using the test of Iblis -Allah told everyone to prostrate to Prophet Adam peace be upon him (no one would refuse to do it with Allah-so this is a test that Iblis failed). This is our ever test in this world, how you treat others, then is dependant (and you would need to forbid evil and enjoin what is good) on how pleased Allah is with you. You cannot spend time just being kind to angels and Allah directly, but if you care about Allah, then you would help others and be patient with trying people.

As women usually speak more to their children, husband, other family members, close community members more-then that is why the example of marriage has been used.

No it is the norm around the world, that if they see a Man who is working hard, they would say it would be nice if he had s a wife (they wouldn't be saying this about a drunkard etc), that is a normal society response Muslim or non-Muslim alike. If you were not working hard-to help others, nobody would care about you, if you were just selfish and acting like a teenager, the rest of society don't care if you get married or not. No if this hard working husband was married to a wife who was ungrateful, shouting, then people in society would be crtical -that is the norm. They woud take pity on the husband. This is therefore not oppression, for the rest of society to say she should have been kinder to her husband.

No in Islam, we turn to believing Men -and so people would say the same thing. Also added to that, you are not showing high kind you are by treating people well (Allah here didn't force people to be abused or forced to get married)- this is where it is a huge problem of people just playing roles and thinking they are mature enough to get married. So many people look at what people had before htem and think they are the same- it is amazing that even some Muslim males I have come across said they were like the companions of the Prophet (if the women said they were like the women at the time of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, they would be laughed at). Males in particular look at what other people have and think they are in the same position, but women have been right to complain that they are not actually believing men-people as they have been playing society games, when the son causes problems, they just tell them to get married and their life would be OK. So the are disrespecting Muslim women by asking for them to get married to tthier sons, not showing them at least what hey are up against-as if you have drug issues-then that isn't what you signed up for to deal with.

Males cannot just go around oppressing wives, the Prophets wouldn't do this.

AS the problem is the west, media, they look at whatever makes them happy, and not about serving other people, supporting them to do well. So when problems happen they even blame Allah -when he has allowed people to do bad things as it is the humans job to stop them, This is where he has allowed the death penalty-so how many people in the west complain that so many bad things happen-well God has allowed you to at least do something to help it out by killng the murdereers-bu they do not do this. This is rather immature, where people complain they wish they were born somewhere else-so in affect wishing that someone else gave birth to you?? The fault isn't with Allah, the fault is with people if they were treated badly.

It is a bad situation to find yourself in if you have an unwanted baby- here in Allah's infinite wisdom, he has not taken sides - he is Merciful to those who seek his repentance and done abortion. But he is the issue that people don't mention as the media is government influenced, and they want to dumb people down. a Lot of women are hiding behind rape as an excuse (when there are reports there are women who have undergone the procedure many times. They wish to say that the baby is a lump flesh -but they only say this if it isn't wanted, if it is wanted they say it is a baby and even willing to show picture so the scan. A woman at times is already doing the ultiamte thing for someone -giving birth to them -to be willing and able. This is of course changed, it isn't going to normal for women to want children all the time or even at times non at all. Allah has not said you have to have children. Of course the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said this to increase the muslim population -but here he stood by for believing men and women, and that poverty with too many children ain't great. AT the end of the day it is still a personal issue, as you may die, have health implications for teh rest of your life. But the issues have been women have been told more to do their job, but not a lot of males.

Allah has criticised idol worship -have they no sense, they just follow their forefathers, here Muslim women are not like idol worshippers, just to accept anyone who just says they muslim by name only. They aren't going to agree, with just playing a role. I think some males have proven the lack of discipline in their lives-when they have problems, they start attacking others, even committing appalling crimes (here the West accepts this evil level as the norm-this ishwere they wish to keep criminals happy -give them what they want, so they won't think about doing evil-but this is not what Allah does, they need to be good regardless of how little they get back in this world).

So women have done a lot in the history of this world, it is I believe evident that if some males were criticised like prostitutes have been they would have been depressed or even committed suicide. But they carried on -here people who are not religious underestimate what Allah has given and a fair test. Believing women are not interested in getting married and pregnant just to suppport a husband who just likes to play computer games -(can have a pastime), but you need to apply, work and help others, If you only care about yourself, then you don't need someone else to do that for you more.

I think there are a lot of aspects that have become distorted, simply because people don't usually learn about obedience -usually starts with parents first, People jump to jihad, but they have proven they are idiitos, joining bad organisations, how you can learn to defend people, when you are not willing to be obedient and as a servant to your parents for years?? HTis isn't a job experience fo a week, you can't just say, you did something like shopping or helping someone to go to hospital and that automatically proves you are good. This is where there was a story of a person who was drunk in the middle east, but he provided food to a widow and her children everyday (not getting anything in return-just leaving the food at the door), he then went to Mecca as someone paid for it-don't know if this story is true, but there are plenty of true stories-but this one came to my mind. Buit this is where lots of people are having problems personally and posting stuff -how can they understand how to be, when all they've done is acted as a child level-just do what makes you happy. People are more than to fit in your vain desires. So islammically it is about supporting each other, not vain desires. No one would be complaining that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him wife would be loyal to him, devoted willing to do anything.

As people would prefer to have thier punishment inthis world, they may face chastisement. As a Man's job is to forbid evil and enjoin what is good, he was i n the position to run the household-here people need to take away relationship to understand, what about if a woman didn't get married and it was working for the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him for example, then you would be willing to work for him, support him and care about he wants things to be -if you done something wrong like committed a crime, you would rather be punished in this world rather than go to Hell in the next )thisi s the norm for all Muslims). Then if the Prophet advised you to be without somehting, then you would actually be grateful that this is your way out of it. As people mix a sexual relationship they don't see this-as all Muslims rather face punishment in this world rather than in the next-that is the norm. As people get obsessed too much -which is a huge problem they don't learn how to be with people-as young people jump to talking about relationships, gossping, they bypass, jump all the stuff they should know how to be a mature adult.

The issue is that people are immature-become haughty, indignation, who the hell do you think you are to tell me what to do. As they are not used to serving others-as Muslims we are servants of Allah, how can you be a servant of Allah, when you can't even serve your parents (of course not if they are abusive)? How can you serve Allah if you can't be without comfort? How can you be willing to die for Allah, when you can't even be willing to take a punishment when you do something wrong? If the Muslim woman was just hit by an angel a bit, people might not complain as much, but because they are focused on the intimate aspect-they think of oppression.

I do like to reinstate that I don't believe that a lot of Males are doing well islamically and actually people know Muslim women are doing better at times. Even -and I know this is true, where someone had a few daughter and only one son-son grew up as a trouble maker (taking drugs etc), the daughter grew up fine, helping their parents (that parents wished they didn't have this son)-love here is not unconditional as the west like you to believer. Allah is conditional love- where do people get the idea of what they want to do they should be supported unconditionally??

People in the west like to use Muslim women as a point to talk about oppression-but this is not agreed by Islam (of course women are going through bad problems-and this is also across the world, gang culture in latin america etc), But they fail to speak of what we say in Islam -if a good woman goes to Paradise were good men are-that means she is more closer to Man then all the wrongdoers (male and female) -there is a problem attitude-as people play society games, and you even have evil people putting women down-when Muslim women are closer to the Prophets then them -like people who take alcohol (Muslims or non-Muslims), so even those muslim males who are not doing right, are making a fool out of themselves and they will be showin that either in this world or the hereaafter. They may get away wtih crimes, bu tthey live a cursed life, if you oppiress, rape injure people, it doesn't matter how many times you pray to Allah-that doesn't mean he is going to go out of his way to help you-as Allah punishes people in this world-anyone can repent. But they will still have to wiegh up their good deeds with their bad deeds on the Day of Judgement and this is where the dificulty lies, as they don't do much and if they have injured someone that has an affect mentally or physically for the rest of their lives like rape, acid throwing-that is huge on their record. THey can think they can disregard it, but there is no escape in the next world, -their humliation is great and how small they will feel in front of all the humans, jinn. There was a post somewhere even if not true, but an interesting one as people will have chains, where someone said they saw the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in a dream -he had to go up a mountain a bit and then he saw a male with chains so tight going digging into this bones.

As above, people take issues out of context from those who look towards the Day of Judgement. If you didn't take it out of context then you will see that there is much that people have -if you wish to be fooled by people's crimes, and so many people play society games around the world-gosspiting living the life by what others think, telling their children to get married to whoever (even if they are not good) etc than the message of Allah then you are foolish.

Remember Allah, his is Merciful, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. No one's crimes is so huge it blots out the sun - do not allow the crimes of people distract you from their real position of torment if they don't repent.

[Sunshineday]

Just to state, easy way to think of this, that all relationships in this world are a test- and as this is especially the case with your Mother -then it is also with your husband/wife. As in the west they are focused on the romantic things and make it about them personally-but in Islam we say your husband/wife cannot help you on the Day of Judgement. Just because you may do various things with your husband/wife that doesn't change the fact it is a test, Yes, you can enjoy your time, just like with your Mother, but moreover we are to be respectful to your parents. As the West have taken out the test part -they treat it as oppression. Even if what Islam says other people may agree with around the world-but because we say islamnically, they say it is now oppressives (when anyone would be crticiali if you didn't treat your husband/wife well- so why is that too hard to understand that even the angels won't like people who treat people badly??