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Tasneem
02-03-2006, 07:36 PM
Assalamu-Walakum

I have recently read a book about marriage.When i got to a certain
Chapter the book stated that woman are not suppose to wear gold
And it stated the following hadith:

Whoever would like to put a ring of fire
on his beloved,let him put on him a ring of gold,and whoever would like to put a necklace of fire on his beloved,let him put on him a necklace of gold,
And whoever would like to put a bracelet of fire on his beloved,let him put
on him a bracelet of gold.Rather,go to silver and play with it,play with it,play with it.

On the authority of Thaubaan(May Allah be pleased with him)
Who said,''Bint hubaira came to the prophet(peace and blessing be on him)
Wearing large rings of gold on her hand.The Prophet(Peace and blessins be upon him)began hitting her hand with a small stick which he had,saying,''Would you please you for Allah to put rings of fire on her hand?
And so she went to Faatimah to plead her case.''
Thaubaan said,The prophet(SAAWS)Went To Faatimah and i was with him.
She had taken a gold chain from around her neck and said:''This was given to
Me by AbuHassan(i.e Ali,her husband),and the chain was in her hand.
The prophet(SAAWS)Then said,''O Faatimah would you be pleased if the ppl.
were to say Faatimah the daughter of Muhammed has a chain of fire on her hand?Then he became harsh with her,and left without sitting.She took the chain,sold it,and brought the freedom of a number of slaves.When that reached the prophet (SAAWS)He said,''All praise is due to Allah who has saved Faatimah from the fire.

O.k soooo i was wondering if this hadith was abrogated or something.
When i confronted my Mother about it she told me that just to be on the safe
Side she would not wear gold.So i have not worn My gold ring that my father has given me because of this.
The book was written by Shayk Muhammed Naasir-Ud-Deen Al-Albaani
And he also stated in his book that woman can serve the male guest at her wedding being uncovered(Which is not true)
And i was wondering was there a hadith THAT SAID woman CAN wear gold?

SaLaMz

And shurkran in advance
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Mawaddah
02-09-2006, 11:43 PM
Tabtabiun.......The author of that Book that you are mentioning (Aadaab Az-Zifaaf is it's name in Arabic) Is the well known Scholar Muhammad Naasiruddeen Al-Albani, known as Sheikh Al Albani Rahimahullah and he is one of the Greatest Salafy Ulama of this time. He passed away almost 3 years ago and is one of the teachers of Sheikh Muqbil Rahimahullah who passed away just almost 4years ago also.
Some of the things he mentioned in his book such as the forbiddance of women wearing gold, and also, that it is allowed for a woman to serve her guests with her face and hands uncovered should not be viewed as a 'mistake' rather, it is a difference of opinion.
As you can see, he did not just say women cannot wear gold and did not provide any proof for it right? He provided proof, so do not say 'mistake' and this hadeeth is Saheeh. I studied it. However he is from one of the rare holders of this opinion, since there are other hadeeth which say that gold is permissable for women and most Ulama go by the opinion that it is permissable for women to wear gold, and they say that those Hadeeth in which Rasulullah forbade against wearing of gold was probably not for Tahreem (to make haraam) but rather to warn his Ummah against being extravagant. I can't remember the other opinion right now

As for the other thing which he mentioned, about the women serving the men with her face and hands uncovered. This is also because Sheikh Albani views the Niqaab (covering of the face) not mandatory and only Mustahabb. And he has also given hadeeth as proof for this saying of his also has he not? Even though some Ulama say that this hadeeth is Dha'eef (weak) but according to Sheikh Albani it is Saheeh. And there are other Daleel besides this hadeeth which shows that Niqaab is not mandatory.
Just because a woman serves food to her guests it doesn't mean that she has to mix with them right? and as we know in the Prophets time, women frequently served him food. As for the covering of the face and hands, I also view it to be Mustahabb and not Waajib and I have solid proof for this, however I cover my face as it is better to do so

But lastly I just wanted to let you know that this Scholar who wrote this book is highly regarded amongst other scholars also. Ask Sheikh Ibn Rabee' in Saudi, Ask Sheikh Yahya Al-Hajuurii..Ask Sheikh Saalim, in fact, go and even ask the Sheikh Shuraim and Sudais and they will give you their high regards of this man rahimahullah.
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Tasneem
02-10-2006, 12:04 AM
Yeah he gave proof about the gold thing

But(Im looking at the book now)and he gives no proof about

Woman not having to cover their faces just opinion

SaLaMz
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BlissfullyJaded
02-10-2006, 12:08 AM
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Oh! Okay! Jazakallah khair sis AsilahRana, I didn't know it was Sheikh Albani (Raheemahullah). :-[ (Which I just realized, what was already given in the first post. Double oops!)

Sis Tasneem, just remember he was a sheikh. Not just a lay person just giving opinions of what suited his whims. :)
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abdul Majid
02-10-2006, 12:13 AM
salam alakum sister....i just wanted to say that whenever you read or hear of a hadith, you must make sure its true before you beleive it or tell people about it. See about the chain of narrators..
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taebah
02-10-2006, 12:28 AM
Question :


Some of the women among us are confused because of the fatwa of the scholar Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani, the muhaddith (hadeeth scholar) of Syria, in his book Adaab al-Zafaaf (The Etiquettes of Marriage and Wedding) concerning the prohibition of wearing gold rings in general. There are women who have given up wearing them, and they describe the women who do wear them as being misguided and misguiding others. What do you say about the wearing of gold rings in particular? We urgently need your evidence and fatwa, because the matter has gotten out of control. May Allaah forgive you and increase you in abundance of knowledge.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Women are permitted to wear gold, in the form of rings and otherwise, because of the general meaning of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning),

“(Like they then for Allaah) a creature who is brought up in adornments (wearing silk and gold ornaments, i.e. women), and who in dispute cannot make herself clear?”

[al-Zukhruf 43:18],

where Allaah mentions that wearing adornments is an attribute of women; this includes gold and other things. And Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Nasaa’i narrated with a jayyid isnaad from Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) that “These two [gold and silk] are forbidden for the males of my ummah.” Ibn Maajah added in one narration, “and permitted for the females.”

It was narrated by Ahmad and al-Nasaa’i, and by al-Tirmidhi who classed it as saheeh, and by Abu Dawood, and by al-Haakim who classed it as saheeh, and by al-Tabaraani, and classed as saheeh by Ibn Hazm, from Abu Moosa al-Ash’ari (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“Gold and silk have been permitted for the females of my ummah, and forbidden for the males.”

It was criticized for there being a gap [in the isnaad] between Sa’eed ibn Abi Hind and Abu Moosa, but there is no reliable evidence for that. We have mentioned above those who classed it as saheeh. Even if we assume that the criticism mentioned is valid, it is still supported by other saheeh ahaadeeth, as is the well-known principle among the imaams of hadeeth.

This was the view of the scholars of the salaf. More than one of them narrated that there was consensus (ijmaa’) that it is permissible for women to wear gold. We will mention the views of some of them in order to make the matter more clear.

Al-Jassaas said in his Tafseer (vol. 3, p. 388) in his discussion of gold: “The reports narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and from the Sahaabah stating that it is permitted for women are clearer and more well-known than the reports which suggest that it is not allowed. The evidence of the aayah [he is referring to the aayah which we have quoted above] also indicates that it is permissible for women.

The practice of women wearing jewellery has been widespread from the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Sahaabah until the present day, without anyone denouncing them for doing that. Such a widespread practice cannot be objected to on the grounds of some aahaad reports.”

Ilkiya al-Harraasi said in Tafseer al-Qur’aan (vol. 4, p. 391), in his commentary on the aayah “a creature who is brought up in adornments” [al-Zukhruf 43:18 – interpretation of the meaning]:

“This indicates that jewellery is permissible for women. There is proven scholarly consensus (ijmaa’) on this point, and the reports concerning that are innumerable.”

Al-Bayhaqi said in al-Sunan al-Kubraa (vol. 4, p. 142), when he mentioned some of the ahaadeeth which indicate that gold and silk are permissible for women, without discussing the texts in detail:

“These and similar reports indicate that it is permissible for women to adorn themselves with gold. The fact that there is consensus that this is permissible for them indicates that the reports which indicate that it is haraam for women have been abrogated.”

Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo’ (vol. 6, p. 40):

“The Muslims are agreed that it is permissible for women to wear various kinds of adornment, of silver, gold and silk, by consensus, because of the saheeh ahaadeeth.”

He also said (vol. 6, p. 40):

“The Muslims are agreed that it is permissible for women to wear various kinds of adornment, of both silver and gold, of all types, such as necklaces, rings, bracelets, bangles, and everything that is worn on the neck and elsewhere, and everything that is ordinarily worn. There is no dispute on this matter at all.”

He said in his commentary on Saheeh Muslim, in the chapter on the prohibition of gold rings for men, and the abrogation of their being permissible which had existed at the beginning of Islam:

“The Muslims are agreed that gold rings are permissible for women.”

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on the hadeeth of al-Baraa’ – “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade seven things, he forbade gold rings…” – (vol. 10, p. 317):

“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade gold rings, or making rings of gold, to men only, not women. It has been reported that there is scholarly consensus concerning their being permissible for women.”

The fact that gold is permitted for women in general, whether it is formed into rings or not, is proven by the two hadeeth quoted above, and by the comments of the scholars mentioned above, and by the scholarly consensus that the following ahaadeeth are to be accepted:

1 – The hadeeth narrated by Abu Dawood and al-Nasaa’i from ‘Amr ibn Shu’ayb from his father from his grandfather, that a woman came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with a daughter of hers, on whose hand were two heavy bangles of gold. He said to her, “Do you pay zakaah on these?” She said, “No.” He said, “Would you be happy if Allaah were to give you two bracelets of fire on the Day of Resurrection because of these?” So she took them off and threw them to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), saying, “They are for Allaah and His Messenger.” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained to her the obligation to pay zakaah on the two bangles mentioned, but he did not rebuke her for putting them on her daughter. This indicated that that is permissible, although they were formed into the shape of circles. The hadeeth is saheeh and its isnaad is jayyid, as was pointed out by al-Haafiz in al-Buloogh.

2 – It was narrated in Sunan Abi Dawood with a saheeh isnaad from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that she said: “Some jewellery came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as a gift from the Negus (the ruler of Abyssinia), as a gift to him. It included a gold ring in which was set an Abyssinian stone. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) picked it up hesitantly with a stick or with his fingers, then he called Umaamah the daughter of Abu’l-‘Aas and his daughter Zaynab. He said, ‘Adorn yourself with this, O my daughter.’” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave a ring to Umaamah, which was formed from a circle of gold, and said, “Adorn yourself with this.” This indicates that gold formed into a circle is permissible on the basis of this report.

Abu Dawood and al-Daraaqutni narrated, and al-Haakim classed as saheeh, as stated in Buloogh al-Maraam, a report from Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that she used to wear anklets of gold. She said, “O Messenger of Allaah, is this kanz (stored wealth)?” He said, “If you pay the zakaah on it, it is not kanz.”

With regard to the ahaadeeth which appear to forbid women wearing gold, they are shaadhdh (“odd”), and contradict those which are more saheeh and stronger. The imams of hadeeth have stated that what is said in the ahaadeeth with jayyid isnaads but goes against ahaadeeth which are more saheeh, and they cannot be reconciled, and the chronology is not known, such reports are to be regarded as shaadhdh (“odd”) and unreliable, and they are not to be followed. Al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Alfiyyah:

“A shaadhdh (odd) report is one in which a thiqah (trustworthy) person says something which goes against the majority.

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said in al-Nukhbah:

“If it is contradicted by something that is more correct, then the correct report should be adopted and the one that contradicts it is shaadhdh (odd)

They also stated that the condition for a saheeh hadeeth to be accepted is that it should not be shaadhdh (odd). There is no doubt that the ahaadeeth which state that gold is haraam for women, even if we accept that their isnaads are free of faults, cannot be reconciled with the saheeh ahaadeeth which indicate that gold is permissible for females, when we do not know which reports came first. So they have to be regarded as shaadhdh and not saheeh, following this shar’i principle which is accepted by the scholars. What our brother ‘Allaamah Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani has mentioned in his book Adaab al-Zafaaf, reconciling these reports with the ahaadeeth which permit (gold to women) by interpreting the prohibition as applying to gold formed into circles and the permission as applying to other kinds of jewellery, is not correct and is not in accordance with the ahaadeeth which indicate that gold is permitted, because the ahaadeeth permit rings, which are in the form of a circle, and they permit bangles, which are in the form of a circle. So what we have mentioned becomes clear. Moreover the ahaadeeth which indicate that gold is permitted are general and are not restricted in meaning. So we must follow them because they are general in meaning and because their isnaads are saheeh. This is supported by the reports narrated by a group of the scholars that there was consensus that the ahaadeeth which indicate that gold is forbidden were abrogated, as we have quoted from them above. This is the truth beyond a doubt. Hence confusion may be dispelled and the ruling of sharee’ah becomes clear: there is no doubt that gold is permitted to the females of this ummah and is forbidden to the males. And Allaah is the Source of strength. Praise be to Allaah the Lord of the Worlds, and may Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions.



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Mawaddah
02-10-2006, 12:32 AM
I do not have the book with me right now so I do not know whether he stated the hadeeth of which he gives as proof of the Niqaab not being waajib, but since Sis Tasneem said he did not mention, I think I will just give you some of his proofs insha'allah :) Also, please note that I am not following this opinion just because I "feel" like it, I studied for five years under a Sheikh who had strict opinions on Niqaab being waajib. It was only after my own studies of the Daleel provided on both sides that I made my choice. Wabillah At-Tawfeeq

Sheikh Albani states the Hadeeth of Asma in which Rasulullah said to her " O Asma! verily when a girl reaches the age of puberty, then all of her is to be covered save her face and hands " Sheikh Albani claims this hadeeth authentic however Other Shuyuukh claim it to be Dha'eef (weak) because of a certain man in the chain of narration. I cannot remember his cause of being weak right now.
Another one of his proofs is the Hadeeth about Hajj in whcih Rasulullah ordered the women not to cover their face and hands. Sheikh Albani said, and if the Niqaab was Waajib, why would it be dropped? rather this shows that Niqaab is not waajib and the face and the hands are not part of the Awra since in Hajj the woman is required to cover all but her face and hands.

So, those are some of the Daleel of Sheikh Albani rahimahullah, Tasneem you follow the opinion that Niqaab is waajib, may I know your daleels please? just curious :)
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Tasneem
02-10-2006, 12:39 AM
I believe that niqqab is obligatory because it says in the qur'an

Where Allah commands the prophet Muhammed(SAAWS)TO command
Thebelieving woman to cover everything

And i have also studied that Umar(MAY BE PLEASED WITH HIM)

When he wanted the woman to cover and then the Ayat came down

And i also read that when the ayat came down about the covering of the

face the Mothers of the belivers and believing woman took their curtains

And put them over themselves.

SaLaMz
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Mawaddah
02-10-2006, 12:43 AM
^ Same Daleels that my Sheikh Muqbil used also rahimahullah :happy:
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Tasneem
02-10-2006, 12:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AsilahRana
^ Same Daleels that my Sheikh Muqbil used also rahimahullah :happy:

MashAllah

Really?!

Lol well i belive that niqqab is obligatory

But it all has to do with a person understanding and what they

Have in their hearts...what they think is right

Just like me i had a prob.with niqqab at first but

Then i just decided to accept it because Allah(SWT)
Tells me to do it.

SaLaMz
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ishkabab
02-10-2006, 02:16 AM
whatever a GOLD a girl has she must pay ZAKAAT or else she will be doomed to wear the ring of fire and etc...
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Mawaddah
02-10-2006, 11:03 AM
^mmm....not exactly correct Sis Ishkabab, there are certain categories the gold has to fall under before she has to pay Zakaah on it :) for example if the girl wears a gold ring all the time....there is no Zakaah on it, the Ulama have agreed on this
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