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Cheb
03-06-2006, 02:42 PM
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I dont mean murdering, drinking (in some countries) and so on...I mean the small things. For example, in my country the law states that we are not allowed to put more than a 30% tint on our car windows. I put 50%. Now I know I am breaking the law :rollseyes but am I sinning?
There are many more examples of course. Basically if the action is not haram, but does break the law, does that make it haram?
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mizan_aliashraf
03-06-2006, 02:47 PM
Salam
I couldnt answer that one for you, but in london (and the UK) the speed limit is 70mph. My driver always goes over 100 when i need to go out of town. Im breaking the law but who cares? i will not die 1 second before or 1 second after my destined time.
Wassalam
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Cheb
03-06-2006, 02:51 PM
Salam.
But in that case you might be putting other people's lives in danger. I think that might be a whole different issue all together.
Peace.
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MetSudaisTwice
03-06-2006, 02:53 PM
salam
if there is laws set in a country, no matter where you are, you have to abide by that law, providing that it doesn't go beyond your beliefs.
so driving too fast does put others in danger
wasalam
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mizan_aliashraf
03-06-2006, 03:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by metsudaistwice
salam
if there is laws set in a country, no matter where you are, you have to abide by that law, providing that it doesn't go beyond your beliefs.
so driving too fast does put others in danger
wasalam

Not if someone else is driving:) :) :)
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Ghazi
03-06-2006, 03:23 PM
Salaams

One should abide by the laws set into the country, so I would think yes(correct me if i'm wrong)
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Muezzin
03-06-2006, 03:25 PM
We have to abide by the laws of the land. We should not have this attitude of 'feh, I don't care if I'm breaking the law, it doesn't apply to me', because, in the UK at least, it does.

format_quote Originally Posted by mizan_aliashraf
Salam
I couldnt answer that one for you, but in london (and the UK) the speed limit is 70mph. My driver always goes over 100 when i need to go out of town. Im breaking the law but who cares?
Er, the police. :p

i will not die 1 second before or 1 second after my destined time.
Wassalam
True, but that doesn't justify endangering others.
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MetSudaisTwice
03-06-2006, 03:26 PM
salam
it doesn't matter if you are not driving, you still could prevent the car from going at such high speed
wasalam
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Ansar Al-'Adl
03-06-2006, 04:30 PM
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Question: To what extent do Muslims have to obey the governments of the non-Muslim countries in which they live? To what extent can they disobey or resist those governments?

Answered by Sheikh Salman al-Oadah

The Muslims living a non-Muslim country, even if they entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant. They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law.

Allah says: “Oh you who believe! Fulfill (your) obligations.” [Sûrah al-Mâ’idah: 1]

He also says: “And fulfill (every) covenant. Verily! The covenant will be questioned about.” [Sûrah al-Isrâ': 34]

He says: “And fulfill the Covenant to Allah when you have covenanted, and break not the oaths after you have confirmed them.” [Sûrah al-Nahl: 91]

A Muslim is not to break or violate oaths or promises. He will not be a true faithful Muslim if he does so. Allah Said: “It is not the case that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside. Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 100]

Among the characteristics of a hypocrite is that he: “…acts treacherously toward covenants (pledges), and when entrusted he betrays.”

Scholars have stated that those who enter non-Muslim countries have to adhere to their respective laws and regulations even if they entered those countries illegally, and they have no excuse for breaking those laws, since they were entrusted to abide by those laws upon entry into those countries.

The eminent Hanafî jurist, Mohammad b. Hasan Al-Shaybânî writes [Biographies (2/6)]:
If it happens that a company of Muslims pass through the enemy’s front lines by deceptively pretended to be messengers of the Muslim’s Caliph carrying official documents – or if they were just allowed to pass through the enemy lines – they are not allowed to engage in any hostilities with the enemy troops. Neither are they entitled to seize any of their money or properties as long as they are in their area of authority. This also applies in case of being truly trusted by the other party.
Accordingly, we conclude the following:
Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have to comply with laws and regulations of the country they have been entrusted though valid visas to enter. At the same time, they have to avoid whatever contradicts Islamic teachings. In case they are obliged by law to uphold something contrary to Islamic teachings, they have to adhere to the minimum that the law requires of them.

One of the best approaches for a Muslim living in these countries is patience. As long as he agrees to live in a non-Muslim country, he is never to rebel against the people living in his choice of residence, even it seems to hard for him to endure. (SOURCE)
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mizan_aliashraf
03-06-2006, 04:57 PM
Salam
Jazakallah Khayr for that post bro, it was most interesting.
Wassalam

PS - sometimes you really do need to go fast - when the motorway is clear and you have someone to meet... ill say no more
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Tasneem
03-10-2006, 03:55 PM
All depends first go by Allahs laws and then the countries
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Protected_Diamond
03-10-2006, 04:34 PM
:sl: warhmatulahi wabarakathu

Alhamdulilah, Akhee very useful article and very benificial masha Allah. Jazahka Allah khair for sharing!

:w: warhmatulahi wabarakathu
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NewJama
03-11-2006, 11:56 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth
Salaams

One should abide by the laws set into the country, so I would think yes(correct me if i'm wrong)
What if you live in communist china for example? And they wont let you pray?
Come on, you are not sinning when you are jaywalking, for example? Or, like feeding ducks in a zoo even if you are not supposed too
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Ghazi
03-11-2006, 11:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by NewJama
What if you live in communist china for example? And they wont let you pray?
Come on, you are not sinning when you are jaywalking, for example? Or, like feeding ducks in a zoo even if you are not supposed too
Salaam

If thats the case one should make hijra.
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SalafiFemaleJih
03-11-2006, 01:07 PM
I think I wouldn't ever break law. InshaAllah! because I remember my grandfather used to say "no matter what...If you hate this country fisabilillah, because its full of kufr, but Do NOT disrespect their laws, its for your own safety"

I see there is no harm in breaking law when something goes against Qur'an and Sunnah. If they are not lettin you pray. Stand up for your Haqq. If nothing works out Make Hijrah for the sake of Allah.

May Allah swt make it easy for our Muslim brothers and sisters who are in hands of kuffar Ameen.

Wasalamaulaikum WArhamtulllah.
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