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Khattab
04-19-2005, 01:00 AM
Where Allah (SWT) is said to have said the only reason he created the heaven and the earth was because of Muhammed (SWH), it is regarded as weak. Can someone post it up.

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kadafi
04-19-2005, 01:04 AM
Originally Posted by Khattab
Where Allah (SWT) is said to have said the only reason he created the heaven and the earth was because of Muhammed (SWH), it is regarded as weak. Can someone post it up.

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It's completely fabricated.

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Praise be to Allaah. Many false and fabricated ahaadeeth have been narrated that say similar things. For example:

“Were it not for you, I would not have created the universe.”

This was quoted by al-Shawkaani in al-Fawaa’id al-Majmoo’ah fi’l-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo’ah (p. 326). He said:

Al-San’aani said: (it is) mawdoo’ (fabricated).

Al-Albaani said in al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah (282): (it is) mawdoo’.

Another example is the hadeeth narrated by al-Haakim according to which Ibn ‘Abbaas said:

“Allaah revealed to ‘Eesa (Jesus, peace be upon him): ‘O ‘Eesa, believe in Muhammad, and tell whoever you meet of your ummah to believe in him. For were it not for Muhammad, I would not have created Adam, and were it not for Muhammad, I would not have created Paradise and Hell. I created the Throne over the water and it would not settle until I wrote on it, Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah Muhammad Rasool Allaah (There is no god but Allaah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah).”

Al-Haakim said: its isnaad is saheeh! But al-Dhahabi commented on that and said: I believe it is fabricated and falsely attributed to Sa’eed.
Meaning, Sa’eed ibn Abu ‘Aroobah (one of the narrators of this hadeeth). This hadeeth was narrated from him by ‘Amr ibn Aws al-Ansaari, who is the one who is accused of fabricating it. Al-Dhahabi mentioned him in al-Meezaan where he said: “He produced a munkar report,” then he quoted this hadeeth, and said, “I believe that it is mawdoo’ (fabricated).” Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar agreed with him, as it says in al-Lisaan.

Al-Albaani said in al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah (280): There is no basis for it.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

Is the hadeeth which some people quote – “Were it not for you, Allaah would not have created the Throne or the Kursiy or the earth or the heavens or the sun or the moon or anything else” saheeh or nor?

He replied:

Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the leader of the sons of Adam, and the best and noblest of creation, hence some people say that Allaah created the universe because of him, or that were it not for him, Allaah would not have created the Throne or the Kursiy or the earth or the heavens or the sun or the moon.

But this hadeeth that is narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is neither saheeh (sound) nor da’eef (weak), and it was not narrated by any scholar in a hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Neither was it known from the Sahaabah. Rather it is the words of one who is unknown.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/86-96.

The Standing Committee was asked:

Can it be said that Allaah created the heavens and the earth for the purpose of creating the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? What is the meaning of the hadeeth, “Were it not for you the universe would not have been created,” and does this hadeeth have any basis?
They replied:

The heavens and the earth were not created for the sake of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), rather they were created for the purpose which Allaah mentions (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is Allaah Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven). His Command descends between them (heavens and earth), that you may know that Allaah has power over all things, and that Allaah surrounds all things in (His) Knowledge”

[al-Talaaq 65:12]

As for the hadeeth mentioned, it is falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and has no sound basis.
Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/312

Shaykh Ibn Baaz was asked about this hadeeth and said:
The answer is that this was transmitted from the words of some of the common people who have no understanding. Some people say that the world was created for the sake of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and were it not for Muhammad the world would not have been created and mankind would not have been created. This is false and has no basis, and these are corrupt words. Allaah created the world so that He would be known and worshipped. He created the world and He created mankind so that His names and attributes, His power and knowledge, would be known and so that He alone would be worshipped with no partner or associate, and so that He would be obeyed – not for the sake of Muhammad or for the sake of Nooh or Moosa or ‘Eesa or any other Prophet. Rather Allaah created the universe so that He alone would be worshipped, with no partner or associate.
Fataawa Noor ‘ala al-Darb, 46.

And Allaah knows best.


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Khattab
04-19-2005, 01:05 AM
Salam brother,

This is also mentioned in the Gospel Of Barnabas thats why I ask.


Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.'

And about the other hadeeth you mentioned:

'God hid himself, and the angel Michael drove them forth from paradise. Whereupon Adam, turning him round, saw written above the gate, "There is only one God, and Mohammed is messenger of God." Whereupon, weeping, he said: "May it be pleasing to God, O my son, that thou come quickly and draw us out of misery."
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kadafi
04-19-2005, 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by Khattab
Salam brother,

This is also mentioned in the Gospel Of Barnabas thats why I ask.


Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.'
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Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was not one of the Messiah as the author of that verse declared.

Isa ibn Maryam (Peace be upon him) and Mahdi are the only Messiahs mentioned in the authenthic sources (i.e. Qur'an and the Sunnah).

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Ansar Al-'Adl
04-19-2005, 04:49 PM
What is the Islamic definition of a messiah? I was under the impression that many previous people could be considered Messiahs in Islam.
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أحمد
04-19-2005, 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
What is the Islamic definition of a messiah? I was under the impression that many previous people could be considered Messiahs in Islam.
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:D Maseehah; translated as Christ in English, comes from the root word masaha (to wipe; e.g. the masah of the head in wudhu). Someone through whom Allah heals. There are quite alot of stories in Islam of Isa (as) as examples. A book I would recommend is Tareekhul-Anbiyah by Ibn Kathir . . . ;)

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kadafi
04-19-2005, 06:23 PM
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I don't think there is any etymological clarification for the term Maseeh. Many scholars have wrote commentaries about the term. Some explained that the term was used 'cause he was the last Prophet send to Bani Israel whilst others said it's 'cause of his miraculous birth. However, we do know that the term connotes to being truthful (Messiah of guidance) and liar since the Dajjal also is called al-maseeh (Messiah of misguidance).

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Furthermore, Isa ibn Maryam is also the only Messiah who is infallible whilst the Mahdi ((just ruler) is not.
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Ansar Al-'Adl
04-19-2005, 07:33 PM
As all the Prophets are infallible, yet they may still make minor mistakes.

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kadafi
04-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
As all the Prophets are infallible, yet they may still make minor mistakes.

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With infallible, I meant in conveyin' the message. But you're correct. The Prophets never commited major sins since they protected from such sins, however, they did commit minor sins (i.e. unintentional mistakes) since they were humans. But Allah (Exalted is He) points it out and they swiftly turn in repentenance since they're the best people of all mankind.

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