bERFORE cOLOMBUS* DUHHH

[abdul Majid]

[PIE]Before the West declared themselves the great scientists of the earth, before their own Renaissance, Muslims already were making discoveries in science that took the West hundreds of years to even begin to imagine. What a shame that people in Europe were being persecuted by the Church for their suppositions that the earth was round; they should have come to the Islamic world--- an Afghan Muslim had proved that in 793 C.E.!

However, the studying of the universe brought forth more questions, and more curiosity. The Muslims in West Africa were so intrigued by what was on the other side of the Great Sea, that they began their expeditions into the great unknown. Early reports of these travels are sketchy, but we can be sure that they crossed the Atlantic by 889 C.E.

That was 603 years before Columbus. And that is not counting the actual physical evidence in the United States today that dates back even further; however, we do know, as De Lacy O'Leary pointed out, that Muslims definitely had the scientific knowledge and skill to make journeys across the Atlantic ocean.

We were in the Americas, hundreds of years before Columbus, and of that we can be sure.

Clyde-Ahmad Winters. Barry Fell. Alexander Von Wuthenau. Ivan Van Sertima. What do they have in common? A lot. They all provided evidence to the above statement; and it is a statement of fact, not an opinion, although many have chosen to ignore it in the past.

Now, we are all aware of the grave tragedy that befell the various African people after the discovery of America. Many people from there were forcefully taken from their homes to America, to serve the people who had taken over that land. Black slavery. We also know, for a fact, that many of these people were indeed Muslims; that has never been in dispute, nor should it be. Clyde Ahmad Winters has given us details of how huge numbers of Muslims were brought to Latin America in a 1978 issue of Al-Ittihad: A Quarterly Journal of Islamic Studies, although later on in 1543, Muslims in Spanish colonies were ejected from them by the residing government.


Dr. Barry Fell, a noted New Zealand archaeologist and linguist of Harvard University showed detailed existing evidence in his work, "Saga America" that Muslims were not only in the Americas before Columbus arrived, but very active there as well. The language of the Pima people in the South West and the Algonquian language had many words in their vocabulary that were Arabic in origin, and Islamic petroglyphs were found in places such as California.

In the Inyo county of the State of California, according to Fell, there is another petroglyph that states, "Yasus bin Maria" which means in Arabic, "Jesus, son of Mary". This is not a Christian phrase; in fact, the phrase is to be found in the verses and ayahs of the Holy Quran. This glyph, as Fell believes, is centuries older than the US. In the Western states of the US he found texts, diagrams and charts engraved on rocks that were used for schooling that dated back to 700-800 C.E. The schooling was in subjects such as mathematics, history, geography, astronomy and sea navigation. The language of instruction was Kufic Arabic, from North Africa.

The German art historian, Alexander Von Wuthenau, also provides evidence that Islamic peoples were in America, in the time between 300 and 900 C.E. This was at least half a millennium before Columbus was born! Carved heads, that were described as "Moorish-looking" were dated between 300 and 900 C.E. and another group of heads dated between 900 and 1500 C.E. An artifact found in the earlier group was photographed, and when later examined was found to resemble an old man in a Fez, like the Egyptians.

Ivan Van Sertima is widely renowned for his work, "They Came Before Columbus" which showed that there was definitely contact between the ancient and early African people with the Native Americans. This and another of his works, "African Presence in Early America" both prove that there were African Muslim settlements in the Americas, before the expedition of Columbus was even conceived. His research has shown that Arab Muslim trade was active in America and one can only imagine that the marvellous culture that the Native Americans had that shared so much with Islamic teachings was of great attraction to the Muslims that came so far across the sea.

And for the record, Christopher Columbus, the man who so-called discovered America, himself declared that his impression of the Carib people (i.e., Caribbean people) were "Mohemmedans." He knew of the Mandinka presence in the New World (Muslims) and that Muslims from the West coast of Africa had settled down in the Carribean, Central, South and North America. Unlike Columbus, they had not come to enslave the populations or plunder the land; they had come to trade and they married among the Natives. Columbus further admitted that on October 21st, 1492, as he was sailing past Gibara on the coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque, and remnants of other masjids have been found in Cuba, Mexico, Texas and Nevada. [/PIE]

[north_malaysian]

Muslims claim they found America first before Columbus.

Chinese claim they found America before Columbus.

Africans claim they found America first before columbus.

I think, Asians are the first people that found America because Native Americans from Alaska to Chile, physically looks like Asians.:)

[abdul Majid]

The Point Is Colombus<(=-=- Was Nooot The First To Discover America, But Yet It Is Taught In Schools And So Forth...just Another Lie From The Western World !!!!

Inconclusion Colombus Got Tehre Very Late, After A Few People Found It

[bangalore bob]

[And for the record, Christopher Columbus, the man who so-called discovered America, himself declared that his impression of the Carib people (i.e., Caribbean people) were "Mohemmedans." He knew of the Mandinka presence in the New World (Muslims) and that Muslims from the West coast of Africa had settled down in the Carribean, Central, South and North America. Unlike Columbus, they had not come to enslave the populations or plunder the land; they had come to trade and they married among the Natives. Columbus further admitted that on October 21st, 1492, as he was sailing past Gibara on the coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque, and remnants of other masjids have been found in Cuba, Mexico, Texas and Nevada.

You just made that up !! :rollseyes

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[abdul Majid]

[s]uhh Did You Just Wake Up ???[/s]

[bangalore bob]

[s]uhh Did You Just Wake Up ???[/s]

Nah, watching hockey. My Flyers suck !!

[E'jaazi]

By the way People, Columbus never made it to the shores of America. We can debate who found it first, but the fact of the matter is, Columbus never found it! You can research this yourself. It is true!

[HeiGou]

[PIE][B]Before the West declared themselves the great scientists of the earth, before their own Renaissance, Muslims already were making discoveries in science that took the West hundreds of years to even begin to imagine. What a shame that people in Europe were being persecuted by the Church for their suppositions that the earth was round; they should have come to the Islamic world--- an Afghan Muslim had proved that in 793 C.E.!

Or they could have picked up a Greek text book. The Greeks and Romans knew the world was round and even made a good stab at calculating the cicumference a long time before 793 AD.

Pythagoras

Pythagoras (b. 570 BC) found hamony in the universe and sought to explain it. He reasoned that Earth and the other planets must be spheres, since the most harmonious geometric form was a circle.
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Plato

Plato (427 BC - 347 BC) travelled to southern Italy to study Pythogorean mathematics. When he returned to Athens and established his school, Plato also taught his students that the Earth was a sphere. If man could soar high above the clouds, Earth would resemble:

"a ball made of twelve pieces of leather, variegated, a patchword of colours."

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Aristotle

Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC) was Plato's prize student and "the mind of the school." Aristotle observed:

"there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyperus which are not seen in the northerly regions."

Since this could only happen on a curved surface, he too believed Earth was a sphere:

"of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent."

Aristotle provided physical evidence for a spherical Earth:

* Ships receding over the horizon disappear hull-first;
* Travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon; and
* The shadow of Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is round.

The concepts of symmetry, equilibrium and cyclic repetition permeated Aristotle's work. In Meteorology he divided the world into five climatic zones. Two temperate areas were separated by a torrid zone near the equator. Two cold inhospitable regions:

"one near our upper or northern pole and the other near the ... southern pole."

were impenetrable, girdled with ice. Although no humans could service in the frigid zones, inhabitants in the southern temperate regions could exist. He called there theorectical people antipodes ("feet opposite").
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Eratosthenes

Eratosthenes (276 BC - 194 BC) around 240 BC he estimated the Earth's circumference. He had heard about a place in Egypt where the Sun was directly overhead at the summer solstice and used geometry to come up with a circumference of 250,000 stades. This estimate astonishes some modern writers, as it is within 2% of the modern value of the equatorial circumference, 40,075 kilometres. The length of a 'stade' is contentious - this value uses the most generous estimate for this length.

However, the studying of the universe brought forth more questions, and more curiosity. The Muslims in West Africa were so intrigued by what was on the other side of the Great Sea, that they began their expeditions into the great unknown. Early reports of these travels are sketchy, but we can be sure that they crossed the Atlantic by 889 C.E.

Exactly how can we be sure? What is the evidence? I take it we are all agreed that 1. there were no Muslims in the Americas when Columbus turned up and 2. the Muslims left no written accounts of their discoveries.

That was 603 years before Columbus. And that is not counting the actual physical evidence in the United States today that dates back even further; however, we do know, as De Lacy O'Leary pointed out, that Muslims definitely had the scientific knowledge and skill to make journeys across the Atlantic ocean.

Who is this man and having the knowledge is one thing. Doing it is another.

We were in the Americas, hundreds of years before Columbus, and of that we can be sure.

Who is this "we"?

Clyde-Ahmad Winters. Barry Fell. Alexander Von Wuthenau. Ivan Van Sertima. What do they have in common? A lot. They all provided evidence to the above statement; and it is a statement of fact, not an opinion, although many have chosen to ignore it in the past.

They are also all non-entities with no credibility who no one has ever heard of. Wonder why?

[root]

I can't believe the down right racism and dogma here:

Does nobody consider that the native Americans discovered thier own lands before anyone else?

[Duhaa]

....and does it really matter?
I mean its there and who cares who discovered it. ;)

[abdul Majid]

the whole point of this thread is colombo overthere never got here first.....but thats whats being taught to kids.....colombus wasnt not the first here, im not saying who was!! but it wasnt him!!!

[Malsidabym]

the whole point of this thread is colombo overthere never got here first.....but thats whats being taught to kids.....colombus wasnt not the first here, im not saying who was!! but it wasnt him!!!

You are right, it was scandinavians. Vikings. A norwegian named Zeno. Also Lief Erikson. There are Archaeological digsights being unearthed in Newfoundland, Canada that prove scandinavian writings that speak about failed settlements on the coast of Newfoundland, and detail numerous trips to North America. There also is evidence that portugeuse had been before Columbus.

[Muezzin]

the whole point of this thread is colombo overthere never got here first

Nah, Columbo came a few centuries later. The native Americans couldn't really cater to his taste for raincoats anyway.

[abdul Majid]

lol

[Hinna]

Well wasn't the wolrd somehow conected and there weren't this huge oceans saperating the continents?

[abdul Majid]

yea but that was very very very long ago

[E'jaazi]

This is a repeat of what I said before. Read it well!

By the way People, Columbus never made it to the shores of America. We can debate who found it first, but the fact of the matter is, Columbus never found it! You can research this yourself. It is true!

[knuckles]

Muslims claim they found America first before Columbus.

Chinese claim they found America before Columbus.

Africans claim they found America first before columbus.

I think, Asians are the first people that found America because Native Americans from Alaska to Chile, physically looks like Asians.:)

You are correct. Actually Columbus never found America. He landed in the Caribean

[abdul Majid]

:okay:

[renak]

You just made that up !! :rollseyes

This is actually quite possible. My family is very active in genealogy, and as a result, several of us have had our DNA tested. As a result, we have found that we have a lot of middle eastern blood. How is this possible for people who can trace their ancestry back to the 1600's in the United States? Actually, this is quite common for many people, mostly concentrated in Appalachia. If interested, read the link below:

http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/qura...told_story.htm

I think we need to remember that the "winners" always write history. Unfortunately, many of our forefathers liked to give the impression that the US was settled mainly by those of European ancestry. This simply is not the case.