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kadafi
04-22-2005, 07:33 PM
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Was Danyal [Daniel] regarded as a Prophet or not? The problem is, that he is not mentioned in the Glorious Qur'an. And I can't seem to find him in the Sunnah. If anyone can, please post the exact hadith.

I've seen sites often mention that Daniel and Isaiah are regarded as Prophets despite the fact that I cannot find any reference of them in the Qur'an or Sunnah.
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Ansar Al-'Adl
04-22-2005, 08:30 PM
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The truth is, as you've mentioned, we can't know for sure, and we can never make a conclusive decision on the subject. He may indeed have been a Prophet, and Allah swt knows best.

I'll give you what I have found in Ibn Kathir's book on the Prophets.

Ibn Abu Ad-Dunya has reported the narration of Abdullah bin Abu Al-Huzayl that:
Bakht Nasr dug a pit and placed two lions in it and then put Danyal (as) into it with them but the lions did not attack him. He stayed there as long as Allah willed him to stay there and then he felt a need for food and drink as human beings feel. So Allah revealed to Armiya, who was in Bayt Al-Maqdis, to prepare food for Danyal, who was in Babylon, Iraq. When he had prepared the food, Allah has him carried along with the food to Danyal. There he informed him that Allah had asked him to deliver food to him and he remarked that, indeed, Allah had remembered him and He praised Allah considerably for the numerous favours We had bestowed on him. He ended his praise with the words
Praise belongs to Allah Who is our hope when all hopes are cut off from us.
Abu Al-Aaliya has said that when they conquered Tastur they found a dead man lying on a bed in the house of Al-Harmuzan. He had a scripture near his head. The scripture was taken to Khalifa Umar ibn Al-Khattab and he got it deciphered by Ka'b. They found different stories and forewarnings in the scripture. They dug thirteen graves in the daytime, and at night buried the man in one of those graves so that the people could not distinguish the grave he was buried in. That was to ward them off for they believed that he could exercise certain powers. They supposed that the man was Danyal and he had died three hundred years before he was found and nothiing changed in him during all those years.

However, it does not seem that he was Danyal because no Prophet was there between 'Isa (as) and Muhammad (saws) as a Hadith in Bukhari tells us, the time difference between them being four hundred years.

Abu Burdah had a ring that depicted two lions licking a man. It was the ring of that man who was found on the bed and whom Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari had buried but had taken away the ring from him.

I typed that up from the translation of Ibn Kathir's work by Rafiq Abdur Rehman. I know for a fact that the translations differ noticably, but unfortunately I didn't have the original arabic.

I hope this helps.

Other figures that may have been Prophets include: Dhul Qarnayn, Khidr, Luqman, Armiya bin Hilqiya, Shi'ya bin Amsiya, Uzayr bin Jarwah, Hizqeel and Al-Yasa.

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Ibn Abi Ahmed
04-22-2005, 08:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

Other figures that may have been Prophets include: Dhul Qarnayn, Khidr, Luqman, Armiya bin Hilqiya, Shi'ya bin Amsiya, Uzayr bin Jarwah, Hizqeel and Al-Yasa.

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You have mentioned Luqman, Isnt he a prophet because there is a surah (#31) by that name?

and this is what the Quran says regarding Uzair:

009.030 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!


So isnt he a prophet too? or who is Uzayr?
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Ansar Al-'Adl
04-22-2005, 08:40 PM
They could be Prophets, or simply righteous muslims. We don't know for sure. Luqman was common in many arab fables, and Sura Luqman clarified what was true about him and what wasn't.

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Ibn Abi Ahmed
04-22-2005, 08:41 PM
Jazakallah Khair for clearing that up brother :)
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kadafi
04-22-2005, 08:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
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The truth is, as you've mentioned, we can't know for sure, and we can never make a conclusive decision on the subject. He may indeed have been a Prophet, and Allah swt knows best.

I'll give you what I have found in Ibn Kathir's book on the Prophets.
Ibn Abu Ad-Dunya has reported the narration of Abdullah bin Abu Al-Huzayl that:
Bakht Nasr dug a pit and placed two lions in it and then put Danyal (as) into it with them but the lions did not attack him. He stayed there as long as Allah willed him to stay there and then he felt a need for food and drink as human beings feel. So Allah revealed to Armiya, who was in Bayt Al-Maqdis, to prepare food for Danyal, who was in Babylon, Iraq. When he had prepared the food, Allah has him carried along with the food to Danyal. There he informed him that Allah had asked him to deliver food to him and he remarked that, indeed, Allah had remembered him and He praised Allah considerably for the numerous favours We had bestowed on him. He ended his praise with the words
Praise belongs to Allah Who is our hope when all hopes are cut off from us.
Abu Al-Aaliya has said that when they conquered Tastur they found a dead man lying on a bed in the house of Al-Harmuzan. He had a scripture near his head. The scripture was taken to Khalifa Umar ibn Al-Khattab and he got it deciphered by Ka'b. They found different stories and forewarnings in the scripture. They dug thirteen graves in the daytime, and at night buried the man in one of those graves so that the people could not distinguish the grave he was buried in. That was to ward them off for they believed that he could exercise certain powers. They supposed that the man was Danyal and he had died three hundred years before he was found and nothiing changed in him during all those years.

However, it does not seem that he was Danyal because no Prophet was there between 'Isa (as) and Muhammad (saws) as a Hadith in Bukhari tells us, the time difference between them being four hundred years.

Abu Burdah had a ring that depicted two lions licking a man. It was the ring of that man who was found on the bed and whom Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari had buried but had taken away the ring from him.
I typed that up from the translation of Ibn Kathir's work by Rafiq Abdur Rehman. I know for a fact that the translations differ noticably, but unfortunately I didn't have the original arabic.

I hope this helps.

Other figures that may have been Prophets include: Dhul Qarnayn, Khidr, Luqman, Armiya bin Hilqiya, Shi'ya bin Amsiya, Uzayr bin Jarwah, Hizqeel and Al-Yasa.

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:w:,

interesting. Jazaka'Allahu Khairun bro for typin' it up. But what about that Biblical Prophet Isaiah?
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Ansar Al-'Adl
04-22-2005, 08:49 PM
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His arabic name is Sha'ya. I'll see what i can find.

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Dhahabi
05-04-2005, 06:12 PM
Assalamu alaikum

Masaha'a Allaah very useful information.

Can you provide me more information in regards the scrolls found in the grave of Daniel during the reign of Umar Bin Al-Khattab radhiyya Allaahu 'anh?

Jazakum Allaahu khayran
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Ansar Al-'Adl
05-04-2005, 10:23 PM
:sl: Yes, I have that as well. Insha'Allah, I'll type it up for you today.

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Ansar Al-'Adl
05-06-2005, 01:49 AM
:sl: My apologies, I forgot to do this. I will give you the narrative now. I have a new copy of ibn Kathir's Stories of The Prophets by Rashad Ahmad Azami, which is much better.
Here's as much info as I have:

Ibn Abu Ad-Dunya has narrated from Abdur-Rahman bin Abu Zinad who narrated it from his father, saying: "I saw a ring in the hand of Abu Burdah. On the stone there were carved two lions with a man in between, and they were licking him." Abu Burdah said: "This is the ring of that dead man whom the people of this town claimed to be Daniel, and from whom Abu Musa Al-Ashari took it the day he buried him."

Abu Burdah said: "Abu Musa enquired from the scholars of that townabout the engraving of that ring, and they said: "The soothsayers and astrologers told the king in whose period Danyal was born that there will be a born who will destroy your kingdom. On hearing this, the king swore that no boy would be born tonight, except that he will be killed. However, they took Danyal and threw him in lion's den. The lion and lioness licked him and did not harm him. Danyal's mother came and found that they were licking her baby boy. So Allah saved him, and He became a prophet. " Abu Burdah said that the scholars of that town told him: "Danyal engraved his image and the image of both lions licking him on the stone, so that he could not forget the blessings of Allah upon him."

That's all I have, unfortunately. If anyone else has any more information on the scrolls or the ring, insha'Allah they will add it.

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yoshiyahu
05-06-2005, 02:54 AM
According to Jewish tradition, Daniel was a seer (rather than a prophet).
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