Muslim women at home

[glo]

A local health visitor once told me that she knows some (I don't know how many in acual numbers) Muslim families in our local community, where women never leave the house.
Is that possible??? :hmm:
Or just a myth?

I certainly see a fairly high proportion of Muslim men doing the school run for their children.

I would love to meet and socialise with Muslim women in my community - but it seems almost impossible. :ooh:

Peace

glo

[Umm Yoosuf]

Never leave the house:?

It's better for the women to stay in their houses but that does not mean that it's a form of imprisonment. If there is a necessity for them to go out then yes they can do that.

I would love to meet and socialise with Muslim women in my community

Well sure you can. Maybe you can go over to their house or mosque etc

- but it seems almost impossible.

I find that hard to believe. And just beause "A local health visitor" told you that you take her word for it?:rollseyes

[HeiGou]

Never leave the house:?

>deletions<

I find that hard to believe. And just beause "A local health visitor" told you that you take her word for it?:rollseyes

I could probably find you examples of Muslimas whose husbands literally never let them out of the house - not even to go to the mosque. You come across them every now and then on Fora like this one (not that I have come across one on this forum yet).

[Umm Yoosuf]

No need to find me examples i am aware that some men don't let their women go to the masjid, be it out of ignorance or whatever.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If any of your women asks permission to go to the mosque, don't stop her from going.

So yeah indeed in some Muslim societies men don't allow their women to go masjid. So much so that you find men only mosques, contrary to what the Prophet ordered.

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[FatimaAsSideqah]

as-salaam alaykum

Ibn ‘Umar reports from the Prophet that once a lady came to the Prophet and asked him about the rights of a husband on his wife. He replied: … she should not leave his house without his permission. (Sunan Bayhaqi, No: 14490)

Answer:

A particular ruling must be understood in the context of general rulings. Islam requires that the wife adopt an attitude of adjustment and harmony with the husband and the husband is required to be affectionate and accommodating as far as possible to the needs of his wife. He must not impose any undue restrictions on her for this will ignite the wrath of God upon him.

With regard to a wife seeking her husband’s permission before leaving the house, the proper perspective must be understood. In general circumstances of mutual trust, there is no need for a wife to ask permission from her husband to go out (see: The Guiding Helper,song 38, marriage, page 307). However, in certain circumstances in which the husband genuinely considers that going out might disrupt the family in any way, he has the authority to exercise his right of stopping her and in these circumstances, she should always ask permission to leave the house. In this regard, the husband must remember that if he imposes himself without any sound and justifiable reason, he would be crossing the bounds and invoking the displeasure of the Almighty. His wrong behavior may even lead the wife to abandon him for which he would be solely responsible (see tafsir Ibn kathir An-nisa 19)

We would also note here that any decent (real Muslim!) husband will give his wife general permission to leave the house during times of general safety ,because Allah swt says:

O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye
treat them with harshness, (regaring the issue that woman have to ask permission to
their husbands for leaving the house, the husband must remember that if he imposes
himself without any sound and justifiable reason, he would be crossing the bounds and
invoking the displeasure of the Almighty,because he is not allowed to treat his wive with
harsh unjust rulings by abusing his rights)that ye may take away part of the dower
[money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given
them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with
them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye
dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good (Qu’ran An-nisa 19.

wa-salaam alaykum

[HeiGou]

No need to find me examples i am aware that some men don't let their women go to the masjid, be it out of ignorance or whatever.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If any of your women asks permission to go to the mosque, don't stop her from going.

So yeah indeed in some Muslim societies men don't allow their women to go masjid. So much so that you find men only mosques, contrary to what the Prophet ordered.

Yes but it is not merely forbidding them to go to the mosque. It is forbidding them to go anywhere including the mosque. The up-shot of all the discussions I have seen is that a Husband may forbid his wife to set foot out of the house, except if she wants to learn more about Islam so he should let her to go to the mosque to study. But as it is not enforcible it is not very helpful.

[Umm Yoosuf]

Yes but it is not merely forbidding them to go to the mosque. It is forbidding them to go anywhere including the mosque. The up-shot of all the discussions I have seen is that a Husband may forbid his wife to set foot out of the house, except if she wants to learn more about Islam so he should let her to go to the mosque to study. But as it is not enforcible it is not very helpful.

As you have said before....:rollseyes

[Nicola]

yes it does happen...though we don't know what the percentage is..
It happened to my friend before she eventally got divorced from him with her parents help.
It was only when she was taken to the hopital that it was brought to an end.
Thank God

[*Hana*]

Salam Alaikum and Peace:

It is not only Muslim men that do this. I know far more western men that don't allow their wives to go out and if they do allow them to go shopping, they call every 10 minutes to see where they are and what they are doing. And their lives are made a living Hell upon their return with false accusations of cheating, etc. Regardless of faith, keeping your wife imprisoned is wrong. She is not a piece of property nor a slave.

That being said, I am very much a homebody. I much prefer to be home than anywhere else. That choice is mine and it's not because someone is forcing me to be here. We also have to remember that things may not be as they appear. Many non muslims have the view that Muslim women are oppressed and therefore make the conclusion that if we don't go out much, it's because we are "not allowed". For many of us, it is by choice.

So for any couple of any faith, we shouldn't make conclusions unless we know first hand. No one really knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Wasalam and Peace,
Hana

[HeiGou]

It is not only Muslim men that do this. I know far more western men that don't allow their wives to go out and if they do allow them to go shopping, they call every 10 minutes to see where they are and what they are doing. And their lives are made a living Hell upon their return with false accusations of cheating, etc. Regardless of faith, keeping your wife imprisoned is wrong. She is not a piece of property nor a slave.

Really? You know far more Western men? Can you give me an example or two?

[glo]

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I find that hard to believe. And just beause "A local health visitor" told you that you take her word for it?:rollseyes

Clearly I didn't take her word for it. Instead I came here to clarify - didn't I? :rollseyes

glo

[Syed Nizam]

I cant understand about all of the fuss that all of u have been talking about. I've been to KSA (supposedly to the most conservative muslim nation in the world where the woman wears Abaya in public), & what i saw there is that woman DO leave their house with the companionship of their mahram. There are even some who goes out with friends.... no big deal here!

Although, I do admit that they might be some cases where the husband may forbids the woman from going anywhere...but, why confines this to only in Islam & muslims? Surely, there are other woman from other races and religion who suffers from the same fate. The issue here is not about islam itself but rather than the imposing `values' of cultural & ethnicity imposed upon the the so-called muslim codes of conduct.

[HeiGou]

Although, I do admit that they might be some cases where the husband may forbids the woman from going anywhere...but, why confines this to only in Islam & muslims? Surely, there are other woman from other races and religion who suffers from the same fate. The issue here is not about islam itself but rather than the imposing `values' of cultural & ethnicity imposed upon the the so-called muslim codes of conduct.

Do you know of any case in the West or other non-Muslim country where this happens much? There are isolated instances of this happening but it is a crime and the person who does it is deranged.

The issue of concern for me (and as a non-Muslim it is really none of my business as I freely acknowledge) is that this is one of those cases where culture and religion seem to interact in less than healthy ways. We would all agree that if it was unsafe for women to leave the home they should not leave the home (of course I probably have a very different view of what "unsafe" would mean but work with me here). The problem is, as far as I can see, that bad men and men with poor understanding of what is right in Islam can use this rule to oppress women in ways that I am sure most Muslims would agree was wrong. In the same way a Muslim man can marry and then divorce dozens of women seeking only sexual gratification and yet still remain within the law in a technical sense.

[*Hana*]

Really? You know far more Western men? Can you give me an example or two?

An example or two? I could give you far more than that!! Bob, John, Garrett, Dave, Mike, Brandon, etc., etc. Women I know that treat their husbands the same: Karen, Jocelyn, etc. I could name as many muslims. I could also give you a much longer list of those that treat their spouses very well. So, has that made you any wiser HeiGou? What did you hope to prove? You always seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing. You can deny there are men and women that behave that way in the west...but you would be wrong. These people are personal friends, and one is my brother and their behavior is disgusting!

I live in a western country and I'm not blind to know the exact same things that happen here happen in every other country and vice versa. Are there Muslim men and women that do the same? For sure, just as there are Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddists, Agnostics, Atheists, etc. For some, it is cultural for others, they're just mean. But, for Muslims that treat their wives badly, regardless of the reason, it is clearly against the teachings of Islam and they do not accurately represent the true teachings. So, Muslims that behave badly towards their spouse are doing that outside the teachings of Islam. Islam is not to blame. My whole point was that just because a Muslim woman stays home, doesn't mean she is forced to be there by her husband. Like me, it could be by choice.

Hana

[glo]

I live in a western country and I'm not blind to know the exact same things that happen here happen in every other country and vice versa.
Hana

I must admit that I don't know of any husband (Muslim or otherwise) who forces his wife to remain in the house against her will, but if people give accounts of this happening I am inclined to believe them.

But I also have to say that there are many other ways to disempower or imprison people, emotionally or financially for example.
So perhaps it is better be marooned inside the house with a loving husband, than to be free to roam outside with an unloving or non-caring husband ..

What do you think?

glo

[Halima]

:sl:


This is the way how I look at it. Of course there are different types of myths particularly about muslim women all of which are not true. Some of them end up being true, while others end up being totally false and unheard of.


This myth that muslim woman stay in their houses is one that I have never heard of but you can only know if it is ture or not only if you ask someone who is knowledgeable in this sect.


I will tell you frankly this is a false myth, not all muslim woman stay at their houses however, we are restricted from going to certain places for the sake of protection.


We are protected by the outside from evil by our attire and our mahram. Now for us to dive into evil is like us calling for trouble.

We can go out th house whenever we want it is just a matter of protection. We are very vigilant of the outside world especially when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

:w:

[glo]

:sl:

I will tell you frankly this is a false myth, not all muslim woman stay at their houses

Please understand that there was never any suggestion of all Muslim women staying in their houses, just some.
I was told this by a health visitor, who's job it is to check mother's and children's health - often in clinics in the health centre.
I have no grounds to assume that she was lying to me - she has no reason to do so.

We can go out th house whenever we want it is just a matter of protection. We are very vigilant of the outside world especially when it comes to members of the opposite sex.

:w:

I understand and respect the reasons you give.

Peace

glo

[glo]

Never leave the house:?

Well sure you can. Maybe you can go over to their house or mosque etc

Visit the mosque???
That sounds a bit scary! Would I be allowed? :ooh:

glo

[*Hana*]

I must admit that I don't know of any husband (Muslim or otherwise) who forces his wife to remain in the house against her will, but if people give accounts of this happening I am inclined to believe them.

But I also have to say that there are many other ways to disempower or imprison people, emotionally or financially for example.
So perhaps it is better be marooned inside the house with a loving husband, than to be free to roam outside with an unloving or non-caring husband ..

What do you think?

glo

Peace, Glo:

Very well said! I tend to agree. There are many ways women can be "imprisoned" inside their home. There is an enormous amount of abuse in society today and it doesn't discriminate by wealth, colour, faith, age or gender. We just have to be careful when judging the circumstances of others. As I said before, I love to be home. It is where I prefer to be, but that's not to say I also don't enjoy meeting with friends every now and then for coffee or dinner and my door is always open for anyone wanting to visit me here. I'm not married yet, but I'm perfectly confident my future Muslim husband would not prevent me from leaving the house to shop, meet with friends, etc. I would certainly be offended if someone accused my husband of oppressing me because I didn't go out. Many Muslim and non Muslim women prefer to be home with their husband and children and they are extremely happy doing so. We just have to be careful we don't pass judgement simply because of faith, (or any other reason).

Peace to you,
Hana

[*Hana*]

Visit the mosque???
That sounds a bit scary! Would I be allowed? :ooh:

glo

Peace Glo:

lol why does it sound scary? Of course you would be allowed. Before I reverted, I was invited to come to the mosque to visit and to talk. Of course, I would have respected the requirement of covering and removing the shoes before entering, even though I was non muslim then. Unfortunately, I didn't have the opportunity to go before I reverted, but I was surely welcome.

I guess I shouldn't speak for all Mosques, but the local one here was extremely wonderful and the people are so, so kind, mashallah :)

Try it :happy:

Peace,
Hana

[Halima]

Please understand that there was never any suggestion of all Muslim women staying in their houses, just some.
I was told this by a health visitor, who's job it is to check mother's and children's health - often in clinics in the health centre.
I have no grounds to assume that she was lying to me - she has no reason to do so.

I understand, I'm not accusing you or the person who said that believes it. However, if I sounded like that I'm sorry, I was just trying to get my point across. I also understand she wouldnt lie to you, b/c she probably could've heard it from someone else I don't know Allahu Al'm.

I understand and respect the reasons you give.

Peace

I am impressed by the way how you brought out this topic most people would've directly accused muslim women staying in their homes as if we are already oppressed

[glo]

Peace Glo:

lol why does it sound scary? Of course you would be allowed. I guess I shouldn't speak for all Mosques, but the local one here was extremely wonderful and the people are so, so kind, mashallah :)

Try it :happy:

Peace,
Hana

Dear Hana

Thank you for your reply.

I would like to say something, and be very honest here. Perhaps it will be of help to some, and perhaps it will encourage some to search their hearts. :)

It is lovely that you paint such a positive picture of visiting a mosque.
The community I am meeting here ( in an anonymous cyber space), is nothing but warm and welcoming!

But it does not reflect how the Muslims in my community come across. Face to face in the street I experience neither warmth nor welcome. What I see is people who try to keep themselves to themselves, with as little contact with non-believers as possible.

I have tried for some time to understand and relate to my Muslim neighbours better (just ask Rabi'ya) - but I don't know how to break through into that stoney-faced community!
Women seem to speak very little English and seem to have little motivation to learn. They are also usually huddles together in small groups, speaking Urdu. Can you imagine how difficult it is to approach women like that?
Speaking to Muslim men seems to be a complete no-no.

I have been taught that to make friends you smile and greet the other person - somehow that only seems to meet with suspicion with my Muslim neighbours.

Can you see that it will be a loooooong way before I feel brave enough to do something like visit a mosque?!

Brothers and sisters, search your hearts with regards to your dealing with non-believers! I know you find us strange, and don't agree with our ways - but if we are to become friends and learn from each other, we will have to become apporachable to each other!

[glo]

I am impressed by the way how you brought out this topic most people would've directly accused muslim women staying in their homes as if we are already oppressed

Thank you for that comment, Hamila! :)

I don't think I can accuse people unless I have grounds for any accusation!I am just here to find out stuff.

I think most misunderstandings occur because we come from very different cultural backgrounds and interpret things differently.

[*Hana*]

It is lovely that you paint such a positive picture of visiting a mosque.
The community I am meeting here ( in an anonymous cyber space), is nothing but warm and welcoming!

But it does not reflect how the Muslims in my community come across. Face to face in the street I experience neither warmth nor welcome. What I see is people who try to keep themselves to themselves, with as little contact with non-believers as possible.

Peace Glo:

I'm really sorry to hear of your experiences. It is the complete opposite here. I guess each community is different. I'm sure you understand the difficulty of new immigrants and the feeling of being accepted and this probably plays a role in the "standoffish" (if that's a word lol) attitudes of some. Also, the nervousness felt by many regarding potential backlash because of the state of the world today probably plays a bigger role.

I have heard of others that shared your experiences, but they seem to be the exception and it's a real shame. My personal experience, both in a predominately Muslim country while I was Christian and my experiences in my own area have been wonderful. In Egypt, the women were very quick to approach me and try their best to communicate, (although, many could speak very good english), invited us for dinner and to visit. You can't imagine the kindness shown to us. In my area, the women are more shy in places like the malls, but friendly. However, at the Mosque, they all came over to welcome me and talk to me, gave me phone numbers, invited me to visit, etc.

You'll just have to come here and I'll take you to the Mosque. :happy:

Unfortunately I don't know your community so I can't really offer any real suggestions. It certainly seems that, for whatever reasons, there are barriers between the people in the community. Perhaps you can approach a known and respected Muslim in the community and suggest working on breaking these barriers by getting involved in a community event of some sort?

Growing up in the west and reverting is far different from someone immigrating from a predominately Muslim country and trying to make a new life here. Perhaps some of our bros and sis on the forum who have made that transition could offer a much better insight as to why this might happen or what these people might be feeling.

Peace,
Hana

[glo]

Peace Glo:
I'm sure you understand the difficulty of new immigrants and the feeling of being accepted and this probably plays a role in the "standoffish" (if that's a word lol) attitudes of some.

The people I am talking have lived in the UK for two generations, and are not new immigrants.

Also, the nervousness felt by many regarding potential backlash because of the state of the world today probably plays a bigger role.

I understand that. All the more reason to try and find common ground, don't you think?

I have heard of others that shared your experiences, but they seem to be the exception and it's a real shame. My personal experience, both in a predominately Muslim country while I was Christian and my experiences in my own area have been wonderful. In Egypt, the women were very quick to approach me and try their best to communicate, (although, many could speak very good english), invited us for dinner and to visit. You can't imagine the kindness shown to us. In my area, the women are more shy in places like the malls, but friendly. However, at the Mosque, they all came over to welcome me and talk to me, gave me phone numbers, invited me to visit, etc.

Cool! :)

Perhaps some of our bros and sis on the forum who have made that transition could offer a much better insight as to why this might happen or what these people might be feeling.

Peace,
Hana

I hope so. I'm waiting! ;)

[*Hana*]

The people I am talking have lived in the UK for two generations, and are not new immigrants.

Ohh, I assumed new immigrants because the women were speaking in Urdu. If they've been there that long, I'm sure they can speak english as well.

I understand that. All the more reason to try and find common ground, don't you think?

Well, not necessarily. It depends on what side of the community you're on. You looking at Muslims from the outside in, can be far different from what the Muslim sees looking from the inside out, and vice versa. Probably, the best thing is to be up front and go ask directly, "why?"

As you've already said, you have a fear of approaching the mosque and it seems you feel somewhat intimidated based on your visual perception. Perhaps their feelings are no different. :)

Peace,
Hana

[Umm Yoosuf]

Visit the mosque???
That sounds a bit scary! Would I be allowed? :ooh:

glo

Hi:)

Like sister Hana said of course you're allowed:)

In my local mosque i see many non-muslims espically women inquiring about Islam. People there are very friendly and welcoming. They provide you with free literature as well.

[searchingsoul]

Sounds like some men allow their wives to leave the home and some do not. Is your husband supposed to approve the locations you may freely visit? I wasn't aware of this.

[...]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If any of your women asks permission to go to the mosque, don't stop her from going.

Could u please give a reference to this hadith, i've looked for a hadith like this for ages.
thanx in advance.:) :thankyou:

[SirZubair]

As for women going to mosques,yes they are allowed.

Any man that stops his wife from going to the Mosque is taking away her god-given right,so he is sinning by stopping her from praying at the mosque.

[Umm Yoosuf]

Could u please give a reference to this hadith, i've looked for a hadith like this for ages.
thanx in advance.:) :thankyou:

:sl:

Women's Right to Attend Mosques

Narrated Ibn Umar: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Allow women to go to the Mosques at night." (Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 22)

Narrated Ibn Umar: One of the wives of Umar (bin Al-Khattab) used to offer the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayer in congregation in the Mosque. She was asked why she had come out for the prayer as she knew that Umar disliked it, and he has great ghaira (self-respect). She replied, "What prevents him from stopping me from this act?" The other replied, "The statement of Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) : 'Do not stop Allah's women-slave from going to Allah s Mosques' prevents him." (Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 23)

Ibn 'Umar reported: Grant permission to women for going to the mosque in the night. His son who was called Waqid said: Then they would make mischief. He (the narrator) said: He thumped his (son's) chest and said: I am narrating to you the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), and you say: No! (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 0890)

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do not deprive women of their share of the mosques, when they seek permission from you. Bilal said: By Allah, we would certainly prevent them. 'Abdullah said: I say that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said it and you say: We would certainly prevent them! (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 0891)

Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Atika bint Zayd ibn Amr ibn Nufayl, the wife of Umar ibn al-Khattab, used to ask Umar ibn al-Khattab for permission to go to the mosque. He would keep silent, so she would say, "By Allah, I will go out, unless you forbid me," and he would not forbid her. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 14.5.14)

http://www.islamfortoday.com/womens_...references.htm

:w:

[amirah_87]

:sl:

Women's Right to Attend Mosques

Narrated Ibn Umar: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Allow women to go to the Mosques at night." (Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 22)

Narrated Ibn Umar: One of the wives of Umar (bin Al-Khattab) used to offer the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayer in congregation in the Mosque. She was asked why she had come out for the prayer as she knew that Umar disliked it, and he has great ghaira (self-respect). She replied, "What prevents him from stopping me from this act?" The other replied, "The statement of Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) : 'Do not stop Allah's women-slave from going to Allah s Mosques' prevents him." (Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 23)

Ibn 'Umar reported: Grant permission to women for going to the mosque in the night. His son who was called Waqid said: Then they would make mischief. He (the narrator) said: He thumped his (son's) chest and said: I am narrating to you the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), and you say: No! (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 0890)

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do not deprive women of their share of the mosques, when they seek permission from you. Bilal said: By Allah, we would certainly prevent them. 'Abdullah said: I say that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said it and you say: We would certainly prevent them! (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 0891)

Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Atika bint Zayd ibn Amr ibn Nufayl, the wife of Umar ibn al-Khattab, used to ask Umar ibn al-Khattab for permission to go to the mosque. He would keep silent, so she would say, "By Allah, I will go out, unless you forbid me," and he would not forbid her. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 14.5.14)

http://www.islamfortoday.com/womens_...references.htm

:w:

salaams

i know some brothers who stop their wives from even going to the masjid !!!!:heated: :heated:

[Mawaddah]

^ yeah, even after they know these hadiths right, Well that's between them and Allah then.

I agree with most of the sisters on the forum, That sometimes the woman just doesn't leave her home because she prefers to stay there. Maybe she is a homey person and her husband is seeing to her education etc.
However, if a woman wishes to go out to seek knowledge then the husband should not forbid her from doing so, especially if He is not capable of teaching her this knowledge himself.
Unless of course the situations in which His wife will be in are un Islamic then that's a different matter.

[julie sarri]

:sl: i am a stay at home wife this doesent mean i am not aloud out i just like staying in i go out shopping and see my family and i will be visting the majid this weekend inshaallah my husband byes me all the books to read on islam so i teach my self with his help i also worked for 12 years but this lead to stress and ill health it was in a non muslim work place sooooooooooo much back bitting going on i couldent handel it so now i am not working but if a job came up to work for a muslim company then maybe i would go back to work

[...]

Jazakallah khair sis Al-Mu'minah.:)

[Umm Yoosuf]

But sometimes the problem is not the brothers but us (sisters). Firstly its not compulsory for the women to attend the masjid to pray. In fact its better for her to pray at home.

Once the wife of Abu Hamid Sa'adi pleaded with the Prophet to be allowed to attend his mosque (the Prophet's Mosque in Madina) as she was very fond of offering prayers behind him. He told her,


"What you say is right, but it is better for you to offer prayer in a closed room than in a courtyard. Your prayer in a courtyard is better than on a verandah, and your offering prayer in the mosque of your own locality is better than your coming to our mosque for it." Thereafter she appointed a room for offering prayers and continued offering prayers there till her death, never even once going to the mosque.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) encouraging women to offer their prayers inside their houses: "The best mosques for women are the inner parts of their houses."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrel...ty.html#mosque

And secondly look at how women dress when atteding the Masjid. They waer make-up, perfum and dress seductivly subhan Allah. Are sisters not aware of strictly observing the various restrictions imposed upon them by the Shari'ah?

This is what 'A'isha said regarding the women of her time

"Had the customs and manners which women have adopted since the Prophet's death been there in his lifetime, he too would have prevented them."


What about our time?! Seriously its beyond belief how women come to the Masjid these days! Espically during Eid, sisters all dressed in bright, red and yellow etc clothes, perfeum, make up. Astaghfirullah!

[searchingsoul]

:sl: i am a stay at home wife this doesent mean i am not aloud out i just like staying in i go out shopping and see my family and i will be visting the majid this weekend inshaallah my husband byes me all the books to read on islam so i teach my self with his help i also worked for 12 years but this lead to stress and ill health it was in a non muslim work place sooooooooooo much back bitting going on i couldent handel it so now i am not working but if a job came up to work for a muslim company then maybe i would go back to work

Do women like yourself have to ask their husbands if they can leave the house or is it just done out of respect?

[Mawaddah]

What about our time?! Seriously its beyond belief how women come to the Masjid these days! Espically during Eid, sisters all dressed in bright, red and yellow etc clothes, perfeum, make up. Astaghfirullah!

Precisely. See that's where the question comes in, Because the Hadeeth is there that the Prophet peace be upon him said not to forbid women from the masjid, does that mean that the Husband can just let them go in any condition? Of course not!

There is a hadeeth in which Rasululllah sallallahu alaihi wa sallam said " Whichever woman has scented herself with Bakhuur (inscense) then she should not pray Isha in congregation with us "

And also, Another hadeeth in which Rasulullah said " If a woman wears sweet scents and leaves her house and her scent is smelt by a man, then it is as if she had fornicated "

So these women who are going to the masjid with all their perfumes and makeup and fancy flashy clothes are definitely going against Islamic rulings, and the Husband has all right to keep his wife at home and forbid her from going to the masjid if this is what she intends to do.

[amirah_87]

yeah true say maw' ..and have you seen the abaayah's these days , they're makin' them all fashionable n' flashy....when one of the conditions of the hijaab are for it not to be beautified in any way.

[Samira_01]

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Women's Right to Attend Mosques

Narrated Ibn Umar: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Allow women to go to the Mosques at night." (Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 22)

Narrated Ibn Umar: One of the wives of Umar (bin Al-Khattab) used to offer the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayer in congregation in the Mosque. She was asked why she had come out for the prayer as she knew that Umar disliked it, and he has great ghaira (self-respect). She replied, "What prevents him from stopping me from this act?" The other replied, "The statement of Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) : 'Do not stop Allah's women-slave from going to Allah s Mosques' prevents him." (Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 23)

Ibn 'Umar reported: Grant permission to women for going to the mosque in the night. His son who was called Waqid said: Then they would make mischief. He (the narrator) said: He thumped his (son's) chest and said: I am narrating to you the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), and you say: No! (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 0890)

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do not deprive women of their share of the mosques, when they seek permission from you. Bilal said: By Allah, we would certainly prevent them. 'Abdullah said: I say that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said it and you say: We would certainly prevent them! (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 0891)

Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Atika bint Zayd ibn Amr ibn Nufayl, the wife of Umar ibn al-Khattab, used to ask Umar ibn al-Khattab for permission to go to the mosque. He would keep silent, so she would say, "By Allah, I will go out, unless you forbid me," and he would not forbid her. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 14.5.14)

http://www.islamfortoday.com/womens_...references.htm

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jazakallah sista

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But sometimes the problem is not the brothers but us (sisters). Firstly its not compulsory for the women to attend the masjid to pray. In fact its better for her to pray at home.

Once the wife of Abu Hamid Sa'adi pleaded with the Prophet to be allowed to attend his mosque (the Prophet's Mosque in Madina) as she was very fond of offering prayers behind him. He told her,


"What you say is right, but it is better for you to offer prayer in a closed room than in a courtyard. Your prayer in a courtyard is better than on a verandah, and your offering prayer in the mosque of your own locality is better than your coming to our mosque for it." Thereafter she appointed a room for offering prayers and continued offering prayers there till her death, never even once going to the mosque.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) encouraging women to offer their prayers inside their houses: "The best mosques for women are the inner parts of their houses."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrel...ty.html#mosque

And secondly look at how women dress when atteding the Masjid. They waer make-up, perfum and dress seductivly subhan Allah. Are sisters not aware of strictly observing the various restrictions imposed upon them by the Shari'ah?

This is what 'A'isha said regarding the women of her time

"Had the customs and manners which women have adopted since the Prophet's death been there in his lifetime, he too would have prevented them."

Yeah i know but some people think that it's haram for women to even step into mosques. Otherwise obviously the woman should pray in the home coz she has to look after the kids etc.

What about our time?! Seriously its beyond belief how women come to the Masjid these days! Espically during Eid, sisters all dressed in bright, red and yellow etc clothes, perfeum, make up. Astaghfirullah!

I totally agree - we were gonna complain last eid coz it's totally disgraceful.

[Mawaddah]

^ You should see them at Malaysia sis. It's absolutely Eyeboggling. See thru dresses and skirts with slits all the way up to the thighs. Really disgraceful. And to make it more disgusting, most of the women who were wearing the transparents clothing and tight clothing and clothing with slits in them had on a khimar on their head!! Astaghfirullah.

[Umm Yoosuf]

Do women like yourself have to ask their husbands if they can leave the house or is it just done out of respect?

Hi Searchingsoul

In Islam the Husband has a right over his wife and likewise the wife has a right over her husband. Allah and his Messenger have command these rights for us. And if everyone followed them according to Islam then peace will prevail. Yes the wife has to seek her husbands permission to leave the house. But it is his religious obligation to be compassionate and not to unreasonably restrict her freedom of movement.

[amirah_87]

^ You should see them at Malaysia sis. It's absolutely Eyeboggling. See thru dresses and skirts with slits all the way up to the thighs. Really disgraceful. And to make it more disgusting, most of the women who were wearing the transparents clothing and tight clothing and clothing with slits in them had on a khimar on their head!! Astaghfirullah.

you know the women in san'ah are becomin; like that now , more and more are even takin' off the hijaab.....wal 3iyaadu billah!

[Mawaddah]

^ things there are changing so fast innit? When Me and my family first reached there 9 years ago, everyone was closed and covered up, but not now Allahul Musta'aan

[julie sarri]

Do women like yourself have to ask their husbands if they can leave the house or is it just done out of respect?

i alway tell my husband befor he goes to work just incase somethink happens i am diabetic and he worries about me but i think its good to tell them eney way becouse it builds trust they know you want go out behind there back so when you tell them you want to go out they dont say no

[HeiGou]

i alway tell my husband befor he goes to work just incase somethink happens i am diabetic and he worries about me but i think its good to tell them eney way becouse it builds trust they know you want go out behind there back so when you tell them you want to go out they dont say no

Personally I would hope any daughter I had would not marry a man who did not already trust her enough to go out on her own. But each to their own.

Can a Muslima put it in her wedding contract that she can go out for specified reasons, or to specified places or even whenever she wants?