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al-fateh
04-25-2006, 09:18 PM
what are the principals of Jihad, what is permissable and what is not

how are muslims supposed to deal with it, in tolerant way? or in a combatant way?

what jihad would u follow?
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Ghazi
07-11-2006, 04:36 PM
*Bump*

:sl:

This is an excellent issue which should be discussed.
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muslim_friend
07-11-2006, 04:43 PM
:sl:

May Allah swt make us martyrs in His way. Ameen.
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Dawud_uk
07-11-2006, 04:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by al-fateh
what are the principals of Jihad, what is permissable and what is not

how are muslims supposed to deal with it, in tolerant way? or in a combatant way?

what jihad would u follow?

assalaamu alaykum,

this is a massive topic, the rulings on jihad are best explained by the scholars of jihad but they are either in jihad themselves, martyred or in the prisions of either the west or the western puppet tyrants.

i would suggest you read Sheikh Abdullah Azzam's defence of the Muslim lands as a start for your studies and avoid those scholars found at the gates of rulers such as Sheikh Hamza Yusuf.

for a more advanced read try the works of Sheikh ul islam - ibn Taymiyyah who fought against the tartars and personally picked up the sword, i would much rather trust a scholar such as him or Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, a mujahid scholar who fought in afghanistan against the kaffir soviet armies and their apostate allies.

as to which jihad to follow?

well treating it as a hyperthetical question then look at these issues...

1. well where are the muslims most likely to be successful in establishing an islamic state?
2. where is the most need?
3. where are you likely to be able to reach realistically without being intercepted by the enemies of islam?

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud
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chacha_jalebi
07-11-2006, 04:51 PM
salaam

it can only b for sake of Allah (swt) - in surah Baqarah V190 it says

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors"

so we can only fight for Allah (swt) sake, and we cant trangress, i.e - if they wana stop we gota stop & we cant plan any surprise attacks or anytin like that, also we can only fight in self defense, we shouldnt wage a war, unless islam is under threat, then we can declare, but we gota declare proply, not do any surprise attacks, as it is sed in the verse " dont trangress"

Also when Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra) sent a army 2 Syria he sed the followin rules

1 - dont kill women or kiddies or innocents
2 - dont destroy infastructure
3 - dont harm a tree or anythin not to do with the war
4 - fight only on the battlefield
5 - dont destroy religious places

all these rules are stated in hadiths aswell, but if u look @ dem all, it shows that islam has the best rules for war & all dese wannabes that bomb places r wrong, because they destroy infastructure & they kill innocents & they dont fight in the battefield!! so dey jus wannabes!!! :D

islam has the best rules for war :D
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-11-2006, 04:54 PM
:salamext:

the rulings on jihad are best explained by the scholars of jihad
Agreed.
I advise everyone to refrain from interpretting hadiths themselves.

:wasalamex
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muslim_friend
07-11-2006, 04:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi
salaam

it can only b for sake of Allah (swt) - in surah Baqarah V190 it says
Important! one of the first three people to be cast into the fire will be one who fought so that the people will call him 'brave'.
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muslim_friend
07-11-2006, 05:03 PM
:sl:

A bro sent me these 2 links containing lectures on the topic.

http://www.islamicboard.com/336117-post57.html

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=awlaki
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chacha_jalebi
07-11-2006, 05:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by muslim_friend
Important! one of the first three people to be cast into the fire will be one who fought so that the people will call him 'brave'.
mashallah!!! :D

btw bro any source for that sayin ...
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Syed Hussain
07-11-2006, 05:18 PM
Asw
read the book by Syed Qutb-Milestones and Shaykh Abdullah Azzams- Defence of the Muslim Lands. You will understand
Asw
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Dawud_uk
07-11-2006, 09:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Hussain
Asw
read the book by Syed Qutb-Milestones and Shaykh Abdullah Azzams- Defence of the Muslim Lands. You will understand
Asw

assalaamu alaykum,

do you know any good links o books translated into english by syed qutb?

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud
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muslim_friend
07-12-2006, 04:20 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi
mashallah!!! :D

btw bro any source for that sayin ...
salam akhi,

Book 020, Hadith Number 4688.(Muslim)
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Chapter : Who fought for ostentation and vanity deserved (punishment in) Hell loss.

It has been narrated on the authority of Sulaiman b. Yasar who said: People dispersed from around Abu Huraira, and Natil, who was from the Syrians, said to him: O Shaikh, relate (to us) a tradition you have heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said: Yes. I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: The first of men (whose case) will be decided on the Day of Judgment will be a man who died as a martyr. He shall be brought (before the Judgment Seat). Allah will make him recount His blessings (i.e. the blessings which He had bestowed upon him) and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his life). (Then) will Allah say: What did you do (to requite these blessings)? He will say: I fought for Thee until I died as a martyr. Allah will say: You have told a lie. You fought that you might be called a "brave warrior". And you were called so, (Then) orders will be passed against him and he will be dragged with his face downward and cast into Hell. Then will be brought forward a man who acquired knowledge and imparted it (to others) and recited the Qur'an. He will be brought And Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime). Then will Allah ask: What did you do (to requite these blessings)? He will say: I acquired knowledge and disseminated it and recited the Qur'an seeking Thy pleasure. Allah will say: You have told a lie. You acquired knowledge so that you might be called "a scholar," and you recited the Qur'an so that it might be said: "He is a Qari" and such has been said. Then orders will be passed against him and he shall be dragged with his face downward and cast into the Fire. Then will be brought a man whom Allah had made abundantly rich and had granted every kind of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them and (admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime). Allah will (then) ask: What have you done (to requite these blessings)? He will say: I spent money in every cause in which Thou wished that it should be spent. Allah will say: You are lying. You did (so) that it might be said about (You): "He is a generous fellow" and so it was said. Then will Allah pass orders and he will be dragged with his face downward and thrown into Hell.

sorry for the late reply.
wsalaam.
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Ansar Al-'Adl
07-12-2006, 05:15 AM
INTRODUCTION

The Qur’ân makes it clear that it is permissible for people to fight back against those who attack them. Allah says: “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah:190]

Allah says: “And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: ‘Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors, and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help’.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ':75]

The Qur’ân also makes it clear that when the other party refrains from aggression, then it is not permissible to attack them. Allah says: “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah:192-193]

It is permissible to fight against oppression and persecution. This does not only apply to Islam and Muslims, because everyone has the right to worship Allah. Allah says: “To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged – and verily Allah is Most Powerful for their aid – (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right – (for no cause) except that they say, ‘Our Lord is Allah’. Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure.” [Sûrah al-Hajj:39-40]

This clearly means that Muslims must fight to protect and defend people of other faiths, if they are in areas where the Muslims have effective power. All people must be free to worship Allah according to their own beliefs. They must be free to make their own choices. Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah:: 256]

This brings us to the concept of jihâd. There is no such thing as “holy war” in Islam. This is a mistranslation of the word. Holy war is carried out to forcibly subject others to one’s religious beliefs. As we have seen, this is expressly forbidden in Islam. The word jihâd literally means struggle and applies to any colossal effort, not just to warfare. Jihâd may be against one’s own desires or evil inclinations.

Fighting in war can be jihâd, but under what conditions? Muslims fight in defense, but so do others. What makes such fighting a jihâd? The answer is that fighting only becomes jihâd if it is for the pleasure of Allah alone and according to the Law of Allah. Even fighting against people who attacked first will not be jihâd if the Muslims strike back in revenge. Jihâd has a self-restraint that has never been seen in any other form of warfare.

In the life of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), we have a practical example of how Islamic warfare – or jihâd – is to be carried out. When Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) began calling the people of Mecca to Islam, he was met with stiff resistance. He was severely persecuted along with his followers. Some of them were tortured on account of their faith and even killed. The situation grew progressively worse until the Muslims were forced to flee. They emigrated to Madinah, a city to the north whose inhabitants had accepted Islam. In Madinah, the first Islamic community was established, and from there Prophet Muhammad continued his mission of calling the people to Islam.

The Meccans still wanted to stop Muhammad (peace be upon him) and put an end to Islam. On many occasions they attacked Madinah and the Muslims had to fight back. During these battles we can see how fighting in Islam was conducted.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) forbade the killing of non-combatants. Ibn `Umar, a Companion of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), said: “I saw the body of a slain woman during one of the battles of the Prophet (peace be upon him), so he forbade the killing of women and children.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

Rabâh b. Rabî` was another companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). He gave the following account of an incident that occurred during one of the battles: “We were with Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) during a battle and we saw people gathered together. He dispatched a man to find out why they were gathered. The man returned and said: ‘They are gathered around a slain woman.’ So Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: ‘She should not have been attacked!’ Khâlid b. al-Walîd was leading the forces, so he dispatched a man to him saying: ‘Tell Khâlid not to kill women or laborers’.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd]

Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) used to say the following words to his troops before sending them to war: “Go forward in the name of Allah. Do not kill an elderly person, nor a child, nor a woman, and do not exceed the bounds.” [ al-Muwatta’]

From all this, it is easy to see Islam’s position on terrorism. Terrorism is a form of warfare whereby innocent people are specifically targeted to instill fear in a population. Therefore, Islam’s view on terrorism comes from the Islamic position on warfare. It is clear from what preceded that even during war, when the Muslims are fighting an aggressive enemy, they are never allowed to target civilians. This is strictly prohibited by Islamic Law. The killing of innocents is murder, even during times of war. The one who intentionally kills these innocent people is a murderer who deserves the punishment for murder. Terrorism is categorically prohibited in Islam.

Throughout Islamic history, the Muslim’s treatment of others in times of war was exemplary. Abû Bakr, a Companion of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the first Caliph that came after him, sent an army to Syria to fight the aggressive Roman legions and went out to give them words of encouragement. He said: “You are going to find a group of people who have devoted themselves to the worship of Allah (i.e. monks), so leave them to what they are doing.”

When `Umar, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the second Caliph, drove the Roman legions out of Jerusalem, the Muslims were welcomed as liberators. Even though the Muslims had conquered the land, they were not allowed to look upon the inhabitants of the land as their enemies. Their enemies were only the Romans who had aggressed against them. When `Umar entered Jerusalem as a conqueror, he came humbly and instead of dictating harsh terms to the people, brought a treaty that guaranteed the people of Jerusalem, who were predominantly Christian, their safety and freedom from all persecution. The following is from the treaty that he drafted for them:
“This is what `Umar, the Commander of the Faithful, grants to the people in peace. He grants them the safety of their persons, their churches, and their crosses… their churches will not be shut down nor destroyed. Nothing will be taken from them or from their crosses. They will not be compelled to abandon their faith nor shall any one of them be abused.”
Jihâd can never be fought for worldly gain, for conquest, or even for revenge.

Muslims must only fight to protect the lives, property, and freedoms of people, especially their freedom to worship Allah when that freedom is forcibly attacked. They are never allowed to attack innocent people, even when they are themselves attacked by the countrymen of those innocents. Any people that go against this established principle of Islamic Law and murder civillians are fighting against Islam and everything that it stands for. It is ludicrous for them to call this fighting a jihâd, a word that means striving in the cause of Islam. They are in fact murderers in the light of Islamic Law and should be treated as such.

http://islamtoday.com/show_sub_section.cfm?main_cat_id=15&sub_cat_id=0

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جوري
03-10-2012, 11:45 PM
bumpity bump
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Abz2000
03-11-2012, 02:35 AM
yup, we don't fight for power or self aggrandizement, when the Muslim leadership released the syrians and the persians from the romans they blessed us and prayed that Allah returned us safely.
because the romans and persians really taxed the hell out of the peoples they governed regardless of righteousness or poverty, rather the only ones who got special favours were the filthy rich.
with Islamic rule, if the people accepted Islam, there was no tax to be paid and others paid a manageable amount.
proving that it was for the sake of God and prevalence of moral values, not for themselves.

in this day and age however, the problem is that Islamic leadership doesn't have an assertive role therefore the people have to educate themselves and go straight to the sources if they can't find Aalims that will speak the truth without regard for the blame of blamers - and there aren't many 'Aalims who will openly speak the truth about such things.
and sometimes it is not good to overburden them and make them targets of demonization.
i remember even brother anwar was once asked if it is ok to skew the books in order to avoid taxes,
he smiled and said, if i told you that it would be illegal :) but it is true that in Islam the only thing payable is zakah.

the burden falls on the people to learn though, since it is not wise to go out there and unsuspectingly get recruited by cia proxy "muj",
so when they order you to go out and commit murders and bizarre atrocities that are against Islam just so they can put it in the newspapers the next day and justify their immoral wars, you can immediately know the truth and decline.
the pyramid in this case is bottom upwards since there is no khilafah, the people are the structure and must be wise - in my humble opinion anyway.
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