Religion and Politics.

[samantha]

Islam has developed throught in th last hundred of years. But can the delevoment only be because of more people "converting", i don't beilve it is the soul factor. In your optionion:

-how has the influence of religion effected the political structures of the middle east?-

[IbnAbdulHakim]

more muslims = less robbery and rape :thumbs_up

[samantha]

overal in islam? Even throught history..?

[IbnAbdulHakim]

overal in islam? Even throught history..?

well if the islamic rulings are secured and we insure that people follow them properly then i see no reason why civilization shudnt improve :)

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[samantha]

Really, interesting. But overall in history where is the connection between islamic religion and politics of the middle east?

[cool_jannah]

Islam has developed throught in th last hundred of years. But can the delevoment only be because of more people "converting", i don't beilve it is the soul factor. In your optionion:

-how has the influence of religion effected the political structures of the middle east?-

:sl: Samantha

First of All, Islamic Shari'a and all of it's beautiful preachings were at its peak at the time of the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam) until around 900 years of his (p.b.u.h) death. After that, as Muslims started deveating against the right path, they started lagging behind in all aspacts of socio-political-economic endeavors. So the back bone of a strong benign Islamic state is the faith of the beleivers and their trust in their generous Lord.
In the past hundred years, Muslims have only being going down because of their own deeds and actions.
The size of the Muslim population does matter, as long as the Muslims really are true Muslims. There are so called 'muslim' countries in the middle-east who care the least for the Shari'a of Islam.
The political structure in general of the middle-east today is the least or not-even closely influenced by the true Islamic spirit. Mind you, its the rulers, not the population in general. The resentment you see amongst the youth and the other religious people is because of their inability to bring peace into their and justice into their country by establishing strict Shari'a laws.

[samantha]

okay so basically, in times of hardships, islamic people wee drawn closer to the religion. And by doing so the crime and such lowered?

[samantha]

I am a little confuzed, where is the connection between politic and religion?

[cool_jannah]

okay so basically, in times of hardships, islamic people wee drawn closer to the religion. And by doing so the crime and such lowered?

There are two things to consider here. A Muslims personal connection with his Lord and the Muslim Ummah as a whole. On a personal level, a person might go through hardships and fitnah(tests from his Lord) even if he has put all of his trust in Allah. That is infact why he will be tested by Allah - if the man loves Allah just because He is giving him? What if Allah takes away the man's wealth and health? Will he then not bow down to Allah? That's one thing.

If you are asking about the crimes and social, political, economic disorder..Definitely by implementing Shari'a there will be a well established civilized community. People are encouraged to work hard for their living and deal with honesty..all of these rules are of Shari'a. If there is injustice, Shari'a will always be there to solve the problems.

Only if I could give you a good example of a whole country that you might be aware of. But there are small communities, developed, with least or none crime rate or any other sort of lawlessness in their community inside Saudi Arabia and some other places.

[samantha]

well what about in history that was what i was aiming to discuss or question, the connection in history of Middle East/Islam.

[azim]

Islam has developed throught in th last hundred of years.

In what what way do you mean developed?

-how has the influence of religion effected the political structures of the middle east?-

This is quite an extensive question. Some basic information you might like to keep in mind.

Islam ordains only one poltical structure - the Caliphate (Khalifah). Monarchies and dictatorships have no real place in Islam. So, looking at it from a ideological perspective, it is quite strange that the Middle East is full of such rulers. 'Why' is a very interesting question but it seems to big to deal with at the moment.

[samantha]

i am in such argument with a fellow follower for i just converted and he belives he connection is population and i strongly disagree. I want to view the question at a historicall stand point, like in term of the histoy of politic in the middle east and how muslim way effected the rules...

[samantha]

so basicallly, it is uqite urgent, but i shall be paitent and wait.

[A(SMILE ITS ME)]

Ok ,
Histaorically Islam Is The Fastest Growing Religion...... Why
Well I Belive Its Because Its The Purest Religion U Can Ever Hope To Have,
Its Still Gr0wing Now....

[A(SMILE ITS ME)]

Oops Before I Leave,
Crime Only Exists If U Have Nothing And Clamber For Everything..... This Is Were Faith And Religion Comes In.
Politics Is A Way Of Changing Thoughts,
Faith U Cannot Change!!!!!!
Middle East Is Only Having Problems Because They All Belive The Land Is Holy,,,,,,
One Land One Religion Islam

[azim]

i am in such argument with a fellow follower for i just converted and he belives he connection is population and i strongly disagree. I want to view the question at a historicall stand point, like in term of the histoy of politic in the middle east and how muslim way effected the rules...

So just so I understand - he is arguing that the despotic and corrupt regimes in the Middle East are linked to the Muslim population and thus, Islam? Or have I misunderstood.

[snakelegs]

Islam has developed throught in th last hundred of years. But can the delevoment only be because of more people "converting", i don't beilve it is the soul factor. In your optionion:

-how has the influence of religion effected the political structures of the middle east?-

i think colonization has more to do with the political structures of the middle east than religion.

[samantha]

thanks anyways for the assistance.

[boriqee]

if I may be of use, do you mean of what is the connection between religion and politics in the muslim world in history.

for the past 300 years, just as snake has said, colonialization has been the back of political issues and has not ceased in our times now.

however, if you mean further back, then yes Islam, the religion, was the political entity since the time of the prophet.

the difference between Islam and anything other than Islam is that success can be achieved by non muslims without the following of correct guidance and correct beleifs and practices meaning that God even allows success to those who worship others besides HIm and do many henious and evil acts.

But in Islam is the opposite. When the muslims do the same, then the effect of such actions are directed at both the social and political aspects of life. Hence when the non muslims do not do what God says, that is fine, at least for now, while for muslims, to Allah, it is not fine and their consequence will be witnessed here on earth.So all the atrocities and whatever pillage and massacres you see happening to the muslims and whatever else maybe be done by people who do not ascribe themselves to islam, but theologically, it is our fault for if we would have stuck to what we were suppose to be upon, then whatever you and everyone else has seen would not have happened in the first place. basically the success and victory of the enemies of Islam lies only, ONLY in the muslims lack of following by Allah's permission.

[samantha]

okay thanks, but how are religion and politics connected in the middle east today? in history?

[samantha]

To Clarrify further... what is the role religion played in the governing of Islamic societies?

[Link]

okay thanks, but how are religion and politics connected in the middle east today? in history?

Does God seperate politics from religion in the Quran? if not, then religion is connected to political history

[Dhulqarnaeen]

Islam has developed throught in th last hundred of years. But can the delevoment only be because of more people "converting", i don't beilve it is the soul factor. In your optionion:

-how has the influence of religion effected the political structures of the middle east?-

1. You should know, politic (siyasah) in Islam is not the same with political movement now. The islamic politics is not democracy cause democracy is NOT from Islam and its build by non muslim and its so against Islam. Cause in Islam the highest law is Allah thru the Quran and sunnahbut in democracy the highest law is the society. And politics in Islam means how to manage people so they can life save and peacefull and pray to Allah only. And all must be done under the law of Allah azza wa jalla thru Quran and sunnah. For the example now a days is Saudi Arabia. Its the only country who standIslamic law. Do they have parliement? Do they have somekinda voting? No but their decision is made by their leader with the help of the scholars. Thats why the quantityof crime in Saudi is the lowest on earth. Cause everyone who want to commit crime then they will know that they will face a distinct law and it will be done with no consideration wether theyre rich people or poor people, famous or unfamous and all. So politic in Islam is not what people understand with so many lies and tricks, its western politics and its called democracy and democracy is not from Islam.
2. The politcal structures in middle east is not based with Islamic politics (siyasah syar'iyah). And the condition is middle east got worse cause Israel took Palestines land and they claimed that its their land. Thats the main problem. And the non muslim help eachother to give israel their land, and yes Palestine was weak that time and the unity of arabian country was weak, and qodarullah half of Palestines taken by Israel. Its not politics but its greedy, and its the arrogant of non muslim. And the Israels did it because they believe the land of Palestine is for them according torah (of course with their own understanding) and that time Palestine was in Islam hands. But it will be in Islams hands again not very long cause Its something thats written according to hadith of Rasulullah shalallahu alaihi wasallam.

[cyberpi]

In what what way do you mean developed?

This is quite an extensive question. Some basic information you might like to keep in mind.

Islam ordains only one poltical structure - the Caliphate (Khalifah). Monarchies and dictatorships have no real place in Islam. So, looking at it from a ideological perspective, it is quite strange that the Middle East is full of such rulers. 'Why' is a very interesting question but it seems to big to deal with at the moment.

Islam ordains? Which is saying God ordains... so please give me the Qur'an verse where I can read about this political structure that God ordains... where in the Qur'an do I read about this Caliphate (Khalifah). All I've found is that no man comes between you and God... no Caliphate... no Khalifah.