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Syed Nizam
05-07-2006, 03:32 PM
Assalamualaikum dear brother & sister in Islam, & greetings towards others as well.

It is my opinion, that is, the REAL motives for the Washington policy in Iraq is to actually divide the state as have been proposed by some idiots. These will be achieved in the two-fold strategy:
1. To alter public opinion (as always) through the media on the so-called sectarian violence in Iraq between the Sunni, Shia & the Kurds. Remember the old time of colonisation, that is the very strategy of DIVIDE & CONQUER.
2. To desentralised Iraq as a nation. To divide it into segments as have been proven throughout the history.

Call me a skeptics or whatever that u have ever wanted, but judging by the current scenario, i'm really convinced that this is indeed the ultimate aim of the US government. through this policy, they will reach their ultimate aim.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle12945.htm
The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq

The American public is being prepared. If the attack on Iran does come, there will be no warning, no declaration of war, no truth.

By John Pilger

05/04/06 "ICH" -- -- The lifts in the New York Hilton played CNN on a small screen you could not avoid watching. Iraq was top of the news; pronouncements about a "civil war" and "sectarian violence" were repeated incessantly. It was as if the US invasion had never happened and the killing of tens of thousands of civilians by the Americans was a surreal fiction. The Iraqis were mindless Arabs, haunted by religion, ethnic strife and the need to blow themselves up. Unctuous puppet politicians were paraded with no hint that their exercise yard was inside an American fortress.

And when you left the lift, this followed you to your room, to the hotel gym, the airport, the next airport and the next country. Such is the power of America's corporate propaganda, which, as Edward Said pointed out in Culture and Imperialism , "penetrates electronically" with its equivalent of a party line.

The party line changed the other day. For almost three years it was that al-Qaeda was the driving force behind the "insurgency", led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a bloodthirsty Jordanian who was clearly being groomed for the kind of infamy Saddam Hussein enjoys. It mattered not that al-Zarqawi had never been seen alive and that only a fraction of the "insurgents" followed al-Qaeda. For the Americans, Zarqawi's role was to distract attention from the thing that almost all Iraqis oppose: the brutal Anglo-American occupation of their country.

Now that al-Zarqawi has been replaced by "sectarian violence" and "civil war", the big news is the attacks by Sunnis on Shia mosques and bazaars. The real news, which is not reported in the CNN "mainstream", is that the Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. This is the campaign of terror by death squads armed and trained by the US, which attack Sunnis and Shias alike. The goal is the incitement of a real civil war and the break-up of Iraq, the original war aim of Bush's administration. The ministry of the interior in Baghdad, which is run by the CIA, directs the principal death squads. Their members are not exclusively Shia, as the myth goes. The most brutal are the Sunni-led Special Police Commandos, headed by former senior officers in Saddam's Ba'ath Party. This unit was formed and trained by CIA "counter-insurgency" experts, including veterans of the CIA's terror operations in central America in the 1980s, notably El Salvador. In his new book, Empire's Workshop (Metropolitan Books), the American historian Greg Grandin describes the Salvador Option thus: "Once in office, [President] Reagan came down hard on central America, in effect letting his administration's most committed militarists set and execute policy. In El Salvador, they provided more than a million dollars a day to fund a lethal counter-insurgency campaign . . . All told, US allies in central America during Reagan's two terms killed over 300,000 people, tortured hundreds of thousands and drove millions into exile."

Although the Reagan administration spawned the current Bu****es, or "neo-cons", the pattern was set earlier. In Vietnam, death squads trained, armed and directed by the CIA murdered up to 50,000 people in Operation Phoenix. In the mid-1960s in Indonesia CIA officers compiled "death lists" for General Suharto's killing spree during his seizure of power. After the 2003 invasion, it was only a matter of time before this venerable "policy" was applied in Iraq.

According to the investigative writer Max Fuller (National Review Online), the key CIA manager of the interior ministry death squads "cut his teeth in Vietnam before moving on to direct the US military mission in El Salvador". Professor Grandin names another central America veteran whose job now is to "train a ruthless counter-insurgent force made up of ex-Ba'athist thugs". Another, says Fuller, is well-known for his "production of death lists". A secret militia run by the Americans is the Facilities Protection Service, which has been responsible for bombings. "The British and US Special Forces," concludes Fuller, "in conjunction with the [US-created] intelligence services at the Iraqi defence ministry, are fabricating insurgent bombings of Shias."

On 16 March, Reuters reported the arrest of an American "security contractor" who was found with weapons and explosives in his car. Last year, two Britons disguised as Arabs were caught with a car full of weapons and explosives; British forces bulldozed the Basra prison to rescue them. The Boston Globe recently reported: "The FBI's counter-terrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials."

As I say, all this has been tried before - just as the preparation of the American public for an atrocious attack on Iran is similar to the WMD fabrications in Iraq. If that attack comes, there will be no warning, no declaration of war, no truth. Imprisoned in the Hilton lift, staring at CNN, my fellow passengers could be excused for not making sense of the Middle East, or Latin America, or anywhere. They are isolated. Nothing is explained. Congress is silent. The Democrats are moribund. And the freest media on earth insult the public every day. As Voltaire put it: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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Zzims
05-07-2006, 04:52 PM
Just like what the British Empire did.. separating the ppl by ethnicity..
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Trumble
05-07-2006, 06:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zzims
Just like what the British Empire did.. separating the ppl by ethnicity..
And of course Iraq was all one big happy family before 2003 (or indeed before 1991) under nice kind Uncle Saddam who was really, really sorry about massacring the Marsh Shias, gassing Kurdish civilians, or burying God only knows who in mass graves across Iraq.

Granted, it was only that sort of mess because the British drew up the borders without taking any account of the interests of the various ethnic groups, but they were there - and at each other's throats - long before Saddam took power, let alone the two Gulf Wars.
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Zzims
05-08-2006, 10:02 AM
Doesnt seem to big family either after 2003 ..under nice kind UNcle sam.. so ur point is>? warring ethnic wer always there.. but when the Us took over they made that worse..
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Syed Nizam
05-12-2006, 12:17 PM
US illegality in Iraq: Where is the limit?

12th March 2006
BRussells Tribunal

The United States-led occupation continues to demolish humanitarian law with impunity in Iraq
Occupying powers have bred a culture of insecurity that destroys the lives of ordinary Iraqis
International institutions, monitoring bodies and parliaments must act or risk irrelevance


Three years have passed since the United States launched an illegal war of aggression on the sovereign Republic of Iraq. Neither were weapons of mass destruction found nor democracy or human rights advanced. Within one month, Iraqis will enter their fourth year as a people under occupation, ruled by a puppet regime that sanctions death squads and torture.

The time has long passed for this to end.

In the words of John Pace — until recently head of the UN Assistance Mission in Iraq — “the ordinary Iraqi has absolutely no protection whatsoever from the state or from the authorities.” Pace adds that, “the prevalence torture is quite clearly established,” that “the degree of violence has increased exponentially since the invasion,” and that “the country has been blown apart in terms of its social structures and social fiber.”

In the absence of a sovereign Iraqi government — which cannot exist, by definition, under occupation — the US-led Multi-National Forces in Iraq (MNF-I) are legally responsible, and imputable, for the failure to protect even the most basic of all human rights principles: the right to life. The current situation is intolerable. Workers in the morgue of Baghdad alone report that on average 1600 corpses are brought in every month. Following the criminal destruction of Al-Askari mosque in Samarra, these same workers report that 1300 dead were brought in over a period of seven days.

The US-led occupation has consciously led Iraq to the verge of disintegration. The country is being plundered. Torture and assassinations are endemic. Women and children have borne an equal share of the violence. The occupation is running out of space for prisoners. Cities have been targeted and destroyed in a programme of urbicide — Fallujah, Tel Afar, Al-Qaim, Haditha. US coordinated air strikes and related military interventions are the biggest killer in Iraq. Repeated polls in Iraq have shown that Iraqis believe they would be safer if foreign troops left.

A culture of intended destruction

As the year 2006 opens, we have no other conclusion to draw except that the United States has intended destruction upon the people of Iraq. The use of depleted uranium weaponry will leave a scar on Iraq for billions of years. All public services have collapsed — health, water, electricity, communications, justice and security. The occupation has done nothing to protect Iraqis. Refusing to safeguard civilians is as much a violation of international law as the criminal use of chemical agents — such as white phosphorus on Fallujah and Tel Afar. Criminal inaction, especially following the Samarra atrocity — the US military standing by as death squads roam the streets of Iraq — has highlighted with precision the underlying rationality of the US presence in Iraq: impoverish the country, break it up, foment sectarian hatred, stand back and watch the killing fields swallow the population.

Silence is complicity

The international community has failed Iraq, and the Iraqi people. A decade of silence over murderous sanctions has been compounded with timidity as the United States overturned a century of legal regulation and waged an illegal preemptive war on a state that was already on its knees.

The BRussells Tribunal, in solidarity with the Iraqi people and its struggle to recover sovereignty, calls on all international organizations and institutions that work towards upholding international law, as well as national parliaments and regional organizations, to act now and with purpose.

International institutions, monitoring bodies and parliaments must recognize the gravity of the situation and act to protect the life and person of all Iraq civilians, condemn US policies in Iraq, demand the unconditional and immediate withdrawal of all foreign forces, demand the US and all other occupying powers pay reparations to Iraq and compensation to Iraqis for the human and material destruction wrought, restore in full Iraqi sovereignty, recognize as null and void any treaty, law or contract passed under occupation, and bring again a semblance of credibility to the legal underpinnings of international society.

When the powerful claim a state of exception to law the rights and obligations of all are undermined. The situation in Iraq is disgrace to us all. It is time for all actors in positions of authority and influence to rediscover their conscience, as well as their mandate and legal obligations, and speak up and ensure the end of this atrocity now.

The BRussells Tribunal Committee
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Syed Nizam
05-12-2006, 12:20 PM
“There were only local anaesthetics available to amputate limbs”
A young Iraqi doctor testifies on the horror in Iraq

Inge Van de Merlen
27th November 2005


What's a young Iraqi physician doing in snowy Brussels on a chilly November night? Dr. Salam Ismael is in Europe to testify about the human rights violations committed against his people in Iraq . Iraq , the country in our history books defined as the “cradle of civilization;” a country that every Iraqi is proud of. Medical Aid for the Third World 1, the Belgian NGO that sent four physicians into the bombed-out hell of Baghdad in 2003, has brought him to Brussels for a few days to share his experiences. I had the opportunity to talk with him before he presented his uncensored photo and film material in a conference room of Intal 2.



Dr. Salam Ismael talks to the audience in Brussels at a conference that was hosted by Medical Aid for the Third World on 25 November 2005 . (Photo: Wim De Ceuckelaire / Intal)

Twenty-nine years ago, Salam (whose name means “peace”) was born in the Al-Adhamya district of Baghdad to a Shia mother and a Sunni father, so the idea of a civil war — Sunni against Shia — is, understandably, alien to him. After finishing his secondary schooling he went to the Medical School of Baghdad, and, as a young doctor, had just started his first year of specialization in orthopaedic surgery, when the United States attacked his country in March 2003. Dr. Salam chose to cease his studies and leave his position as chief of junior doctors in Baghdad , to volunteer his services in the heaviest hit areas of the country. In October 2003, together with a few other junior doctors, he founded Doctors for Iraq , and since that time has undertaken missions to the most remote and besieged areas and refugee camps to bring aid to the victims.

You were in Fallujah during the first siege in April 2004. Can you tell me something about what you witnessed there?

The day prior to the siege of Fallujah I had a day off. I was home alone and Al‑Jazeera transmitted images of the first bombings. Together with a few other doctors I decided to go to Fallujah. I left a note for my family explaining where I was and that I hoped to see them again when I returned. When we arrived at Fallujah the bombings had started and we entered the city through the desert, as all the roads were blocked. Fallujah lies along the Euphrates and to get to the hospital one has to traverse a bridge across the river. It was impossible to reach the hospital, since American troops had closed the bridge. We turned back to town and established a field clinic.

During our stay in Fallujah, American snipers controlled a part of the city, which we called the ‘ghost area'. Everything that moved became a target and even ambulances weren't spared. An ambulance was hit by a missile right before our eyes and completely burned out. This incident was reported by BBC news3. I was wounded in the chest by shrapnel during this attack.

The first siege of Fallujah was carried out under a frequently applied tactic called the ‘general punishment rule'. When American troops get attacked near a city or village they besiege it. They impose a curfew, which makes it rather impossible for residents to get food supplies. Electricity and water are cut off. This situation persists for days or weeks; families are trapped in their homes. Then, during house raids, numerous people get arrested without any charge.

The 9 th of April became known as ‘cluster bomb night'. US troops tried to capture the Julan district and used cluster bombs, which cause extremely severe injuries. We treated numerous victims and we had to divide our limited amount of anaesthetics among them. There were only local anaesthetics available to amputate limbs and the doctors had to stitch the wounds with ordinary needles and sewing thread.

After a few days we ran out of food and had to survive on juice, cookies and sugar. There wasn't a living soul in the streets and ambulances were constantly targeted. When the siege finally came to an end, the first convoy entered the city. Young men arrived in trucks with food supplies and a banner displaying the words “Gift from Sadr City ”. Sadr City is a poor Shia neighbourhood in Baghdad and Fallujah has a mainly Sunni population. In Iraq there is a great solidarity among the people and the so-called looming civil war is nothing but a fabrication to divide the country.

Half a year later Fallujah was besieged again. What happened then?

The second siege of Fallujah was much worse. When we tried to transport the dead bodies out of the city, we discovered that the American army had made use of illegal weapons.

Is there any evidence of that?

I'm convinced that the testimony of eyewitnesses, scientific facts and an international investigation will provide the evidence. Napalm is an inflammable, sticky gel that burns at 300-350°C (572-662°F), causing fourth degree burnings. The American troops used napalm combined with white phosphorous, which makes the temperature increase up to 3000°C (5432°F). The chemicals react with the water in human cells. Clothes stay intact, but the affected skin burns to the bone. Since these chemicals react with water, the effect worsens when you pour water on it. The only means to stop the burning is by smothering it with mud.

During the three or four days following the attacks, aid workers couldn't get access to the city. When they were finally allowed to enter, they found that in some districts whole streets and compounds had been bulldozed. You need to understand that the remains of white phosphorous and napalm only stay on the ground for 48-72 hours. After that period you can't find any useful samples for analysing purposes. On human bodies the effects of these weapons will remain visible for a longer time. We also found bodies of civilians that were obviously not killed in a fighting position. Some of them were lying in their beds when they died and didn't show external injuries, which also indicates the use of chemical weapons.

Even absent the use of chemical weapons, crimes against humanity occurred. According to the Geneva Conventions it is forbidden to deny life necessities to the people. This is, as a matter of fact, a much more severe violation of human rights than is the use of phosphorous and napalm.




According to eyewitnesses, at least 60 % of Fallujah was bombed to rubble. During the sieges of the city, ambulances were targeted deliberately.
Today, more than 6,400 families have fled their homes in western Iraq . Many of them are living in the desert after multiple attacks by the US & Iraqi military on several cities along the Euphrates .


The second attack on Fallujah took place one year ago. How are living conditions in the city today?

Fallujah is still besieged; it's a prison. Without an identity card no one can move within the city. People who want to enter are required to have retina scans and fingerprints taken. It's very difficult to move around and there are fixed times to enter or leave the city. Around Fallujah there are five American checkpoints, which are still under daily attacks of the resistance. Fallujans will never forget the losses they suffered and they want the occupiers out.

On weblogs where civilian casualties of Fallujah are mentioned you often read reactions like: “It was the residents' own fault. They had been warned beforehand to leave the city.” What do you think of that?

Before the first siege of Fallujah nobody was warned, so nobody was prepared to leave. Immediately before the second siege women and children had indeed been warned to leave the city. They had to pass through American checkpoints to get out. The population learned, via loudspeakers, that men between 18 and 35 weren't allowed to leave. Can you imagine that mothers, daughters, sisters and wives would leave their sons, fathers, brothers and husbands behind in a city that was to undergo one of the severest attacks of this war? It's only natural that they chose to stand beside their loved ones.

Besides, there wasn't any provision of shelter for the refugees. Those who had permission to leave didn't have any place to go, so they preferred to barricade themselves in their houses, rather than flee into the desert without any necessities.

For more than six months, American and Iraqi troops have been attacking other cities along the Euphrates . Mass media mentions these attacks rather sporadically and reports are restricted to official press releases of the army and the government. What have you seen there?

I was involved in aid missions to Rawah, Hit, Haditha, Al-Qaim and Tal Afar. These are smaller cities than Fallujah. The army used the same strategy and the attacks were of a similar intensity, although there are some differences to observe. In Qaim, for example, they used so-called ‘smart bombs'. These bombs get their name from the assertion that they target insurgents without killing civilians. Can you imagine that?!

Such a 500 kg bomb leaves a crater of 5-6 meters depth and everything within a radius of 500 meters is swept away. These smart bombs increased the number of casualties drastically. There were many children among the victims, since whole families were buried under the rubble of their houses.

In Al-Qaim, a city of about 80,000 inhabitants, one attack on a district resulted in 40 civilian casualties. In Haditha, I know about one bomb attack that killed 31 people.

But that's not all there is to say about it. By destroying their cities thousands of people were forced to flee. In western Iraq alone, the number of refugee families is estimated at 6,400. Many of them live in the desert without shelter; others live in their cars. They lack all essential provisions and in these remote areas medical care is extremely restricted.

In the official media we don't hear about any of this. Aren't there any international fact-finding missions investigating these crimes?

We shouldn't expect much support from international human rights organisations like Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. In 2004, AI mentioned that it could be that human rights violations occurred. That's it. There are very obvious examples of breaches of international law and Amnesty declares that it could be that human rights in Iraq are violated.

With regards to the (mass) media, they haven't been in Fallujah since the first siege. Journalists report from their hotels in the Green Zone in Baghdad . This heavily fortified area covers only 5 km; the rest of Iraq is Red Zone .

Anyway, we were the only Iraqi organisation that received an invitation from the WHO in Geneva . About a month and a half ago I submitted reports to a session on the humanitarian crisis in western Iraq and the situation of the health care system. I've called on the WHO to encourage international aid organisations to resume operations in Iraq ; to start an investigation into breaches of the Geneva Conventions regarding medical neutrality; and to pressure the occupying forces to cease their misconduct. We're still waiting for a reaction from the WHO, but one aid organisation has already announced a mission to Iraq .

What does Doctors for Iraq do to help?



Volunteers from Doctors for Iraq bring aid to one of the villages around Fallujah. It's a tough job for this small organisation to cover the needs of the victims.

It's a very difficult task for our small organisation. First, we organise convoys with supplies to the refugee camps. This direct aid to the victims is of great value to them.

Of much higher importance for the future of Iraq is finding a solution to the ‘brain drain' problem, the forced emigration of highly educated medical personnel, which considerably weakens the Iraqi society. A clear example is the case of Dr. Talib Khairiullah, former head of the Iraqi Centre of Cardiology. In 2003 he was forced to resign because of his membership in the Baathist Party. After repeated harassment he decided to leave the country. Before he resigned, he treated a thousand patients a month, and he was the only doctor in Iraq with an American Medical Board certification, an important title for highly qualified medical specialists. His fame reached across Iraq 's borders. After he was dismissed, the centre's staff protested. During a conversation with the American Minister of Health in Iraq , they learned that an order from Washington required 25 of the 26 residents to resign also. They all left Iraq and are working in Jordan now.

In 2004, the Medical School of Baghdad started the first term with just 60% of its teaching staff; at the beginning of the second term, 50% were left. At the department of ophthalmology only 2 of 9 senior instructors remained.

Have you, personally, also been targeted?

Yes. Our family house was raided three times by the American army. The last time, they detained my 65-year-old father. They held him for eight hours and humiliated him. Then, they took my two sisters to the roof of the house and brought my father there as well, and one of the soldiers forced a gun into his hands and tried to make him kill himself in front of my sisters. Neighbours called the police to intervene, but when they arrived, they told the neighbours they couldn't do anything to stop it and left. Finally, the soldiers released my father. They returned again to search the house once more.

Is there anything we could do from here to help?

Aid supplies and financial support are of course very important and more than welcome. We have to send out medical teams all the time and therefore we need medical supplies, surgery sets in particular. The problem is that we can hardly do our work. We're constantly hindered.

Let me give the example of Haditha hospital. At the beginning of last May a car bomb exploded 500 meters from the hospital next to an American convoy. The hospital itself was also damaged. The soldiers came to the hospital and asserted the insurgents were hiding inside. They raided the hospital as if it was a military camp, with sound and light bombs and with snipers. The hospital was occupied from 9 pm until midnight . In one of the operating rooms they arrested all of the doctors, who were prevented from completing the ongoing operations. Soldiers forced the manager of the hospital to lead them through the building, although he had keys to all the rooms, he wasn't allowed to use them. Instead, they blew open every door of the hospital with explosives and destroyed everything that came in their way. The doctors warned them about the many inflammable products in the hospital, but the soldiers ignored these warnings and set the store and the laundry on fire. They let them burn for 9 hours without making any attempt to extinguish the flames. A 35-year-old patient was killed in his bed.

After the raid we tried to repair the hospital. According to an official report the reparation costs for the building alone amounted to 200,000,000 Iraqi dinars. At the end of the same month, the soldiers returned to destroy the hospital a second time. On the first day of Ramadan in October, the military occupied the hospital for 7 days and used it as a military camp. The hospital manager and one doctor were arrested on charges of treating insurgents. The other doctors issued a press release, but no one responded.

In addition to financial support there is a huge need of volunteers to train doctors because so many of our own doctors are forced to leave the country. Establishing a network of such volunteers would be ideal.

Donations for Doctors for Iraq :

HSBC Bank plc.
56 Cornmarket, Oxford
Oxfordshire,
OX1 3HY

Account name: Doctors for Iraq
Account number: 92302349
Branch Sort Code: 40-35-34

The website of Doctors for Iraq is still under construction and will probably be operative from December or January on: www.doctorsforiraq.org

The author of this interview is a member of the BRussell s Tribunal Executive committee4.

With thanks to Fred Samia who contributed to the English translation of the text.

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2. www.intal.be (French and Dutch)
3.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3653223.stm
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Syed Nizam
05-12-2006, 12:25 PM
I really, really hate the yankees in Iraq! My only question is, who in his clear conscience would ever support those occupying forces in Iraq, who are inflicting more damages than Saddam Hussein himself! Damned the Yankees!
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Syed Nizam
05-12-2006, 12:27 PM
Killing the Messenger: The Silencing of Journalism in Iraq

Ghali Hassan
25th January 2006
Global Research

“All kidnappings and assassinations are completely rejected... especially when kidnapping a journalist. Journalists are here to tell the world about the occupation so kidnapping a journalist is going to hide the truth … This journalist; Jill Carroll... is one of the great journalists who are against the occupation. She is considered one of the best journalists who stood against the American occupation of Iraq and she focused in her articles on... telling the world about the Iraqi people’s suffering”. Muthanna Harith al-Dhari, Iraq’s Muslim Scholars Association.

After the mass destruction of the city of Basra in the 1991 U.S. war on Iraq – using massive amounts of fire bombs, napalm, cluster bombs and anti-personnel bombs –, journalists of Western mainstream media tried very hard to cover up Western war crimes and shift the blame elsewhere. The mass murder of innocent Iraqi civilians was depicted as “surgical strikes” by the BBC, CNN, Fox News and other mainstream media outlets. During the 2003 U.S. unprovoked aggression against Iraq, Western journalists’ deception and distortion reached levels of criminal complicity unparallel in the history of war propaganda. The aims were obvious; to manipulate public opinion, justify war of aggression and normalise mass murder of innocent people.

As time passed, journalists sank deeper in dishonesty and complicity in the war crimes against the Iraqi people. They have willingly accepted their role as “embedded” war propagandists for imperialist power. They are deliberately misleading the world about the war and about the Iraqi people. In particular, on how a nation of people which has always been proud of its Iraqi nationality and unity was turned into a collection of ethnic and religious groups mired in violence. These deliberately fabricated lies and imperialist divisions continue to be widened and reinforced by the Occupation forces, and promoted by Western journalists, pundits and their mainstream media.

To put it bluntly, the majority of Western journalists are outright liars and complicit in war crimes against the Iraqi people. They have no rights to be part of independent and objective journalism. They are as guilty of war crimes as George Bush, Tony Blair, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest. It should be noted that most Iraqis were bewildered to see Western journalists celebrating U.S. forces ransacking and destroying Iraq’s cultural heritages.

Today, only few Western journalists remain impartial and objective in their duty to report on the U.S. war crimes and the destruction of Iraq and the Iraqi society. However, those few independent and objective journalists who challenge power are endangered species, and may soon extinct if they remain unprotected.

According to Reporters without Borders (RSF), a total of 76 (85 as of May 2005) journalists and media staff have been killed since the U.S. unprovoked aggression against Iraq March 2003. That was more than the 63 reporters killed in the 1955-1977 conflict in Vietnam, the group said, citing figures from U.S.-based press advocacy group Freedom Forum. Iraq was the world's deadliest place for media members for the third consecutive year since the invasion, said RSF.

The BBC anchor, Nick Gowing said recently: “The trouble is that a lot of the military particularly the American military do not want us there. And they make it very uncomfortable for us to work. And I think that this...is leading to security forces in some instances feeling it is legitimate to target us with deadly force and with impunity”. However, the British public broadcaster continues to propagate a distorted picture of a violent Occupation. The BBC unashamedly called the destruction of the city of Fallujah and the slaughter of 6000-8000 innocent Iraqi civilians a “necessary step to democracy”, not a mass murder. Professor Justin Lewis, of Cardiff School of Journalism in Wales, wrote in a recent report that the BBC is leading the way in its support for the British Government pro-war propaganda, and failing its responsibility to the British people.

On 08 April 2003, U.S. tank fired a shell at the Palestine Hotel, where many of the independent journalists and reporters in Baghdad are based. Two journalists, Taras Protsyuk of Reuters and Jose Cousa of the Spanish network Telecino, were killed; three other journalists were injured. According to journalists in the hotel, who witnessed that attack; it was a deliberately selected target aiming at silencing independent journalists. On the same day, Tariq Ayoub, of Al-Jazeera, which has been targeted by of U.S. forces, was killed by U.S. airstrike while getting ready for a live broadcast from Baghdad. It is argued that Al-Jazeera was deliberately targeted.

On 17 August 2003, Mazen Dana, a Palestinian award winning Reuters cameraman was shot dead by a U.S. tank crew at close range while trying to film outside Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison on Sunday, after a mortar attack on the prison.

On 20 April 2004, U.S. military accepted responsibility for the deaths of two journalists, cameraman Ali Abdel Aziz and reporter Ali al-Khatib, who were shot in their car by U.S. soldiers while leaving the scene of an attack on a Baghdad hotel near a U.S. military checkpoint last month.

On 04 March 2004, the Italian war correspondent Giuliana Sgrena of Il Manifesto was wounded and an Italian intelligent officer, Nicola Calipari, was killed after U.S. soldiers shoot at their car near Baghdad airport. Like Jill Carroll of the Christian Science Monitor exposed, Sgrena was kidnapped and held hostage for few weeks by unknown group. In her diary, Sgrena wrote; “They [her captors] declared that they were committed to the fullest to freeing me but I had to be careful, ‘the Americans don’t want you to go back’”. There is no reason not to believe her story, as Sgrena was not part of the war propaganda circus of “imbedded” journalism and have reported crimes of rape and abuses of Iraqis by U.S. forces.

The Iraqi people have no reasons and no motives to attack or take hostages those who are trying to tell the truth and expose the criminal nature of the Occupation and the crimes committed against them by imperialist power. There is substantial evidence suggesting that many of the crimes committed against independent journalists were committed by U.S. forces and their collaborators in order to distort the truth and cover up the crimes against the Iraqi people.

In its reporting from Iraq, the Christian Science Monitor exposed some of the Occupation crimes, in particular the effects of ‘Depleted’ Uranium on the Iraqi population, however its reports were often biased and pro-U.S. propaganda. The Christian Science Monitor is often deliberately ignoring the criminal nature of the Occupation and its effects on the Iraqi people. The selection of particular independent journalist, Jill Carroll, bears all the hallmarks of the methods of silencing anyone with independent and anti-Occupation views used by U.S. forces and collaborators.

Those in the West who are concern about the safety of Jill Carroll and other Westerners in Iraq should direct their demands at the U.S. and its allies, the perpetrators of violence. They should know that all Iraqis have been taken hostages and continue to be imprisoned by U.S. forces. In addition, to the hostile and terrorising policy used by U.S. forces against the civilian population, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been murdered and tens of thousands, if not hundreds have been kidnapped, detained, tortured and murdered by U.S. forces and their collaborators. Thanks to the overwhelming support of the American people.

By Contrast, Iraqis were the first to call for the release of all Western hostages. Indeed, Iraqis are against the abduction and targeting of innocent people, particularly journalists. In addition, Iraqi community leaders and anti-Occupation Resistance groups have often called on Western journalists to come to Iraq and expose the criminal nature of U.S. Occupation. Unfortunately, their calls fall on deaf ears, and the crimes of U.S. Occupation remain uncovered to the outside world. Where are the so-called “anti-war” movements and Western intellectuals? Why no one is calling for the release of Iraqi hostages?

The Occupation has many ways to silence independent journalists, distort the images of the Iraqi Resistance, and tarnish the name of Islam. In the unprovoked U.S. aggression against Iraq, truth continues to be the deliberate casualty.

Only impartial and honest journalists can keep the truth alive, and by doing so they hold accountable those who committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Global Research Contributing Editor Ghali Hassan lives in Perth, Western Australia.

http://www.stopusa.be/scripts/texte....ngue=&id=24293
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Syed Nizam
05-12-2006, 12:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
I really, really hate the yankees in Iraq! My only question is, who in his clear conscience would ever support those occupying forces in Iraq, who are inflicting more damages than Saddam Hussein himself! Damned the Yankees!
Sorry for the harsh word being used there. But really, after reading all the news how would one described the despicable act of the US government and military in Iraq (or any other place in the world)?...:rant: :grumbling
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Ninth_Scribe
05-13-2006, 06:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
A young Iraqi doctor testifies on the horror in Iraq
Inge Van de Merlen
27th November 2005

snip... have downloaded the entire report...
May I have permission to circulate this report among my own viewers? I will also publish the links for assistance.

Ninth Scribe
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Ninth_Scribe
05-13-2006, 06:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
Sorry for the harsh word being used there. But really, after reading all the news how would one described the despicable act of the US government and military in Iraq (or any other place in the world)?...:rant: :grumbling
We shouldn't be there... I know some of the people here think they were 'helping' but they've only complicated the issues, thereby making the situation worse. They did this with the Jews too. What 'good' was caused by that action? Those people will never know peace now, and it would seem, neither will anyone else, because of this.

I'm gathering quite alot of information, but there is something very wrong with this picture. I can't put my finger on it yet, but there seems to be another player involved in all this. Not just the Sunnis, Shia and Americans. Can't explain it yet, but certain reports I've received... there's just something unique about them.

Apart from Sunni, Shia and American interests, which we all know well enough, are there any other people who would be interested in seeing the fall of Iraq?

OMG, this is all starting to look like a really twisted re-make of the Book of Daniel... on a low budget. I'm surprized I haven't seen the disembodied hand yet.

Ninth Scribe
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Syed Nizam
05-13-2006, 06:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe
May I have permission to circulate this report among my own viewers? I will also publish the links for assistance.

Ninth Scribe
No problem ninth_Scribe, help publish the report for all of us to know. That's at least the role that we can play. May God helps us from the guilt of ignorance...
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Ninth_Scribe
05-13-2006, 07:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
I really, really hate the yankees in Iraq! My only question is, who in his clear conscience would ever support those occupying forces in Iraq, who are inflicting more damages than Saddam Hussein himself! Damned the Yankees!
Don't damn all of us. We're not all that pleased with this situation either. It's psychotic, but this dude (Bush) is playing hard-ball on us. The military is now running the CIA and spies are starting a brand new kind of witch-hunt. Anyone attempting to defend the Mujahedeen are in the soup and we're all being forced to pay for this - they're cutting funds to health, retirement, schools... to pay for the War on Terror.

You just have no idea how many people I want to smack for this. I'm furious with:

1) Who ever convinced the Judeans it would benefit them to f-over their brothers for land they didn't currently own (Judea) and swipe a land they had no claim to (Israel). I have my suspisions over who that was.

2) The United States for helping the Judeans land themselves in a war with their own family... which caused one of the divisions within the House of Islam.

3) Osama bin Laden for forcing the issue, which caused the Muslim population to bare the brunt of his dissatisfaction. Nice strategy for 2010!

4) Suddam Hussein for being so full of himself, he was willing to risk a war with the United States in favor of his public image.

5) President Bush for so many different reasons it would make your head spin, half you don't even know about.

.......

These are only a handful of people I want to see when this life is over. There are quite a few others, spanning quite a distance through time, all the way back to the good ole days and yes, that means Abraham!

This is far from over.... but, completely agree.... it's all about "Divide and Conquer".

Ninth Scribe
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Ninth_Scribe
05-13-2006, 07:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
May God helps us...
Ah, Azrael... he's one amazing... Angel. Will put the word out, get the report circulated, thank you.

Ninth Scribe
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KAding
05-13-2006, 08:19 PM
With all due respect, I think you should be careful not to limit yourself to one kind of source for your information.

I mean websites like stopusa.com or informationclearinghouse.com don't even have the intention of being objective. They are quite openly propaganda sites.

Not to say that everything they say is wrong, but there is always the danger of a too one-sided view which will not help you understand the situtation better. You will only become worse informed in the long run.
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KAding
05-13-2006, 08:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
Sorry for the harsh word being used there. But really, after reading all the news how would one described the despicable act of the US government and military in Iraq (or any other place in the world)?...:rant: :grumbling
Well, clearly the majority of the fatalities in Iraq right now are caused by car bombs and suicide attacks. These are not American methods but rather those of elements within the insurgency.

It is also clear that the majority of the fatalities are in regions were the resistance is most active. The most important target of the resistance also appears to be the government of Iraq, which was elected by a majority of the Iraqi people. There is no indication that they have any kind of popular support among the citizens of Iraq.

You can certainly blame the Americans indirectly for the carnage in Iraq, because of their presence. But one must not forget the responsibility of those who actually do most of the bombing and killing.

For an statistical overview of the situation in Iraq the following might me of interest to you:
http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
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twelver
05-13-2006, 09:30 PM
ninth scribbler:We shouldn't be there... I know some of the people here think they were 'helping' but they've only complicated the issues, thereby making the situation worse. They did this with the Jews too. What 'good' was caused by that action? Those people will never know peace now, and it would seem, neither will anyone else, because of this.
That is so pathetically over-dramatic it is scary!!! Why won't they know peace when
1)nihilisterrorists stop exploding civilians and intimidating regular iraqis from helping to stabilize their country
2)iraqis stop inflaming ethnic violence (which has very deep roots in their history)--it is their doing and is up to them to stop this behaviour. After all, why in the world would it be in the US interest to stir up this kind of conflict? The us is trying desperately to hold the peices together. It is time to stop blaming the USA and take responsibility for yourselves!!!
(9th-- why do you feel that people can't be rtesponsible for their actions? Is it because you wouldn't be able to pull the victim card for them if you expected responsiblity from them?

I'm gathering quite alot of information, but there is something very wrong with this picture. I can't put my finger on it yet, but there seems to be another player involved in all this. Not just the Sunnis, Shia and Americans. Can't explain it yet, but certain reports I've received... there's just something unique about them.
Ummmmm, how about Iran? Or Kurdish nationalism??? Orrrr, how about terror-mongers from around the arab world who've set up shop in Iraq???

Apart from Sunni, Shia and American interests, which we all know well enough, are there any other people who would be interested in seeing the fall of Iraq?
How in the world is it in any bit of American interst to provoke a civil war in Iraq? You really need to take off your tin-foil hat and join the world of reason; be honest here. The USA wanted a stable country through which they could begin further stabilizing the whole region; Iraq it was. However misguided and hubristic this plan was, and however much of this plan intended to promote the economic interests of the paying customers of the ME energy resources, you owe yourself an honest look at why you think inciting ethnic/sectarian violence would benefit the USA. The answer is pretty simple; IT wouldn't help the USA (or Iraq!!!) at all!!! After all, the usa wants out!!! Civil violence (an oxymoron if there ever was one) will only keep the us troops there longer= more dead GI Joes=plummeting public approval ratings for Bush and friends. There is no conspiracy!!!

OMG, this is all starting to look like a really twisted re-make of the Book of Daniel... on a low budget. I'm surprized I haven't seen the disembodied hand yet.
I'm sure the terrorists have disembodied plenty of hands there, though this is no Book of Daniel!
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Ninth_Scribe
05-13-2006, 10:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
With all due respect, I think you should be careful not to limit yourself to one kind of source for your information.

I mean websites like stopusa.com or informationclearinghouse.com don't even have the intention of being objective. They are quite openly propaganda sites.
I am careful. Was told to look for the truth BETWEEN the lines. It's there, but it's a lot of sifting and my biggest pet peeve is that I'm being deprived of dialogue with some of the main players. Wasn't too thrilled with Lynch taking my catch-phrase from my web site and using it to diss Zarqawi, nor am I too thrilled that my emails arrive a day later than they're sent. It's annoying.

But, no matter... Twas having a nice siesta but I'm very much awake now.

Ninth Scribe
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Ninth_Scribe
05-13-2006, 10:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
1) nihilisterrorists stop exploding civilians and intimidating regular iraqis from helping to stabilize their country.
Quit backing them into corner... and just maybe they won't bite!

format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
2a) iraqis stop inflaming ethnic violence (which has very deep roots in their history)--it is their doing and is up to them to stop this behaviour.
Agreed, that's their thing. We have enough gangs in our own country - but that's none of their business.. and their conflicts are none of ours... that was MY whole point.

format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
2b) After all, why in the world would it be in the US interest to stir up this kind of conflict?
Why did they help create a State of Israel? You don't think THAT was stirring up conflict? Twelver... lol, be serious!

format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
The us is trying desperately to hold the peices together. It is time to stop blaming the USA and take responsibility for yourselves!!!
Well, just maybe the U.S. should have stayed out of Iraq. Let's face it Twelver, Iraq didn't blow itself up!

format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
(9th-- why do you feel that people can't be responsible for their actions? Is it because you wouldn't be able to pull the victim card for them if you expected responsiblity from them?
I do, and I've said this on other threads here too. When asked, who was responsible, I answered... Do you know the phrase Divide and Conquer? Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it - and I also said this whole thing looks like a twisted re-make of Book of Daniel... on a low budget. All that's missing is the disembodied hand writing: Your kingdom will be weighed and measured! That doesn't make this all their fault. I learned when I was fourteen years old that it takes two to make a crime: someone cold enough to be an a-hole and someone stupid enough to be a victim.

format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
Ummmmm, how about Iran? Or Kurdish nationalism??? Orrrr, how about terror-mongers from around the arab world who've set up shop in Iraq???
Don't get me fired up on that considering that we were the ones who opened the door for them... and watch the T-word. It's useless considering we all got caught with our hands in the cookie jar.

format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
How in the world is it in any bit of American interst to provoke a civil war in Iraq?
Oh, that's so easy! We pushed the Iraqis into a situation we're their blaming each other... lot's of finger pointing over who was responsible for the invasion. Zarqawi thinks the Shia did it. The Shia think Hussein did it, so they blame the Sunnis. I could go on, but we're all aware of the accusations across the board... well, everyone it seems... but you.

format_quote Originally Posted by twelver
After all, the usa wants out!!!
Yes, but Bush has a different vision. Tell me tin head, why we caught Bush trying to ask for our tax dollars for what was defined as, and I quote: building funds for permanent military structures when it was supposed to be a temporary war? Or didn't you get that memo from congress???

Perhaps you should get off your ideological cloud and pay attention to the paper work. I have, and from every side, and I didn't take any one for their word... I require every one I communicate with to back their stuff up. Now to really scare you... the Mujahedeen complied with that request, so I have no doubt about what their deal is. I do, however, have serious doubts about yours.

Ninth Scribe
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Syed Nizam
05-14-2006, 10:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
With all due respect, I think you should be careful not to limit yourself to one kind of source for your information.
I mean websites like stopusa.com or informationclearinghouse.com don't even have the intention of being objective. They are quite openly propaganda sites.
No thanks KAding,
I'm aware of the fact of what this main stream media can do in conditioning the opinion of people. The world in general, the US in particular. And it is a pattern that wil be repeated again & again. U could almost certainly knew that they have been planning to attack Iraq by the way the media is playing up on the issues. WMD, Al-Qaeda, threat to democracy...etc. All kind of those bull**** from the western media. I have the very right to be suspicious of the US motives since they are known to have manipulated the foreign affairs of other countries through various covert operations. For example, Saddam Hussein the despot himself is a byproduct of the US support in their bid to contained the so-called threat from the Islamic Republic of Iran. Is it not a fact? Now they are tuning up the heat on Iran. And I can already see the potential media hype that is going up to again justify the public opinion on an invasion of Iran. Just wait & see...:rollseyes

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Not to say that everything they say is wrong, but there is always the danger of a too one-sided view which will not help you understand the situtation better. You will only become worse informed in the long run.
Agreed. That should apply to u too, vise versa. And calling the websites like stopusa.com or informationclearinghouse.com as not being able to be objective and propaganda sites doesn't helps either! :uhwhat
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Syed Nizam
05-14-2006, 11:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Well, clearly the majority of the fatalities in Iraq right now are caused by car bombs and suicide attacks. These are not American methods but rather those of elements within the insurgency.

It is also clear that the majority of the fatalities are in regions were the resistance is most active. The most important target of the resistance also appears to be the government of Iraq, which was elected by a majority of the Iraqi people. There is no indication that they have any kind of popular support among the citizens of Iraq.

You can certainly blame the Americans indirectly for the carnage in Iraq, because of their presence. But one must not forget the responsibility of those who actually do most of the bombing and killing.

For an statistical overview of the situation in Iraq the following might me of interest to you:
http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
Is that so?
What about the killing of the innocent woman & children and is termed as `collateral damage' by the yankees?
1. Death by using cluster bombs?
2. Death by using napalms?
3. Death by using depleted uranium weaponry?
4. Death by covert operations inside Iraq as have been reported by Robert Fisks? Those car bombs by using cellphones, are by no means an act of terrorisms by the insurgents!
Who resposibilities are these?

Btw, i do not understand the logic of the yankees to be there in Iraq. All of the pretext used have been proven to be farced! Just spend those billions to helps the impoverished americans. It will do them much good!
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Joe98
05-14-2006, 11:22 AM
I have said this before. In my opinion, Iraq was created when Imperialists drew lines in the sand. The lines bear no resemblance to the geographical location of any groups of people.

Therefore in my opinion, Iraq ought to be broken up geographically into smaller countries. Kurdistan would be one.

State this opinion over on a US forum and I AM shot down in flames because America DOES NOT WANT IRAQ BROKEN UP!
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KAding
05-14-2006, 12:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
Is that so?
What about the killing of the innocent woman & children and is termed as `collateral damage' by the yankees?
1. Death by using cluster bombs?
2. Death by using napalms?
3. Death by using depleted uranium weaponry?
4. Death by covert operations inside Iraq as have been reported by Robert Fisks? Those car bombs by using cellphones, are by no means an act of terrorisms by the insurgents!
Who resposibilities are these?
Of course, if the Americans kill people that is the responsibility of the Americans. However, when the government is attacked then it is the responsibility of those who want to bring down the government.

And as I noted, the majority now appear to be killed by the insurgents, not the Americans. If you are so concerned with the Iraqi plight, why not condemn both? Why not condemn those that try to bring down a political system which the majority of the Iraqi people supported and voted for?

Btw, i do not understand the logic of the yankees to be there in Iraq. All of the pretext used have been proven to be farced! Just spend those billions to helps the impoverished americans. It will do them much good!
Irrelevant.
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Ninth_Scribe
05-14-2006, 03:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
No thanks KAding,
I'm aware of the fact of what this main stream media can do in conditioning the opinion of people.
Hi Syed,

The boys have a counter plan in the works to take care of that problem. They just released a statement to President Bush and announced they will be making a documentary for the American people, and this time they're making it... in English!

http://www.jusonenews.com/MessageToG...rmyOfIraq.rmvb

The announcement came yesterday, an it's in English too! Not that JUS has ever had a problem doing the translations for us, but I think you have to register with them to access their resources now.

Ninth Scribe
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Syed Nizam
05-14-2006, 05:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Of course, if the Americans kill people that is the responsibility of the Americans.
No way, u r wrong there. They just terms it as `Collateral Damage', and walk away from it as if nothing happens.....(sic!)

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
However, when the government is attacked then it is the responsibility of those who want to bring down the government.
And as I noted, the majority now appear to be killed by the insurgents, not the Americans. If you are so concerned with the Iraqi plight, why not condemn both? Why not condemn those that try to bring down a political system which the majority of the Iraqi people supported and voted for?
Called it whatever that u wanted to call. In these terms, the american media must be presented with an award for inventing all of those unimaginable jargons, such as Freedom of choice, Democracy for all.... Yeah right! Freedom of choice, through forces! Democracy, through forces! Called it what u want! Unfortunately the average Iraqi's dont seems to think so! No wise man will called the current Iraqi government as a valid government as long as it is under the occupation forces. That government is a farce as long as they dont have their sovereignity, as long as the occupying forces is operating inside Iraq as if it is nobody's business!

Why must I condemned the insurgents? History have told us so many times, for example at the age of colonialisms, those who fights against the occupying forces is labelled as traitors, insurgents and even terrorists (sic). Those colonial masters have one thing in common, that is to installed a puppet ruler, a puppet government to take care of their own interests in plundering the riches of the country that they have colonised. So, why must i condemned the insurgents? On the contrary, i do think that i must have the duty of condemning the occupying forces instead. Their pretext of invading Iraq is a farce! Their very continued presence there is a farce! Everything about the US in Iraq is a farce. PERIOD. :rant:
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Syed Nizam
05-14-2006, 05:20 PM
No Bravery

[B]A nation blind to their disgrace
A 4 Minute Video

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11799.htm

Produced by GlobalFreePress.com

Music by James Blunt

There are children standing here,
Arms outstretched into the sky,
Tears drying on their face.
He has been here.
Brothers lie in shallow graves.
Fathers lost without a trace.
A nation blind to their disgrace,
Since he's been here.

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness.

Houses burnt beyond repair.
The smell of death is in the air.
A woman weeping in despair says,
He has been here.
Tracer lighting up the sky.
It's another families' turn to die.
A child afraid to even cry out says,
He has been here.

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness.

There are children standing here,
Arms outstretched into the sky,
But no one asks the question why,
He has been here.
Old men kneel and accept their fate.
Wives and daughters cut and raped.
A generation drenched in hate.
Yes, he has been here.

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness
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guyabano
05-14-2006, 05:50 PM
allow me to make this thread a little bit more balanced. This blind hatred to the USA makes your eyes blurred for the real truth.
I'm not american, but European, but it really looks like, only few people really know what is going on in IRAQ.

Please also take your time to watch these videos I post. I took some time to watch yours !

http://www.clermontyellow.accountsup.../UntilThen.swf

and also this one:

http://media.putfile.com/US-SOLDIERS-IN-IRAQ-HELL-YEAH
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Syed Nizam
05-14-2006, 06:16 PM
It is amazingly clear, the US have been hoping for a civil war in Iraq by trying to adopt the “divide and conquer” strategy. Just as have been employed elsewhere, like what the British did when they colonised India before. The Marines deployed Shiite National Guards during the siege of Falluja with the obvious intention of inciting tensions between the two factions. The Kurdish Peshmerga was utilized in Mosul for the very same purpose. Also, there have been a number of suspicious bombings (particularly the attacks on Sunni clerics in Najaf and Kerbala) that are not at all consistent with the insurgent pattern, but suggest a clandestine (CIA?) operation to incite hostilities. Luckily, one thing is certain; the Iraqi's know who their enemy is. The element of surprise or deception has evaporated like the plumes of smoke dispersing over Falluja.

What the heck do they expect? When they destroy a man’s home and kill and disgrace his friends, that man will surely fight back. And, when they rob a man of everything he has, including his dignity, they leave him with one, solitary passion… rage. This rage is now fueling the resistance in Iraq in ways that no one had previously anticipated. Good for Iraq. Bad for the Yankees!

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=7030
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Syed Nizam
05-14-2006, 06:33 PM
With due respect, guyabano I'm not blind with hatred with the American people. It's only limited to the American government and the American Armies when they started invading other countries in the world! When they started to act as the Judge, the Jury and the Executioneer where foreign policies and nations are concerned. Damned the Yankees for that.

I've seen your postings. So what? What are you trying to impose? I'm not denying that at one time, the Iraqi's really give a BIG welcome to the American troops who came into Iraq. But, that is then.... Now is a different matter altogether? What went wrong? If they have really been fair and impartial in carrying out their duties in Iraq, surely, they will win the support from the public, hands down! But that is NOT the case then, and that is NOT the case NOW...

War is no games! The pains are real. The sufferings are real. The humiliations are real. The rages are real. Pain lead to suffering, suffering led to rage.... What do you expect? Do you take the Iraqi's people as idiots? When the American troops come and conduct their usual raids, things will always get nasty for this ignorance & helpless people. Somehow, they end up with dying relatives. Parents, wife, children, friends, properties..... The lists goes on. So, if they choose to fight back, is it their fault? If I choose to hate the Yankees for that, is it my fault too? What else will I call it? A spade is a spade! A Yankees will always be a Yankees. PERIOD.
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Syed Nizam
05-14-2006, 06:34 PM
Covering up Napalm in Iraq
by Mike Whitney
June 28, 2005

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8186

Two weeks ago the UK Independent ran an article which confirmed that the US had “lied to Britain over the use of napalm in Iraq”. (6-17-05) Since then, not one American newspaper or TV station has picked up the story even though the Pentagon has verified the claims. This is the extent to which the American “free press” is yoked to the center of power in Washington. As we’ve seen with the Downing Street memo, (which was reluctantly reported 5 weeks after it appeared in the British press) the air-tight American media ignores any story that doesn’t embrace their collective support for the war. The prospect that the US military is using “universally reviled” weapons runs counter to the media-generated narrative that the war was motivated by humanitarian concerns (to topple a brutal dictator) as well as to eliminate the elusive WMDs. We can now say with certainty that the only WMDs in Iraq were those that were introduced by foreign invaders from the US who have used them to subjugate the indigenous people.

“Despite persistent rumors of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm” the Pentagon insisted that “US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed MK77, in Iraq.” (UK Independent)

The Pentagon lied.

Defense Minister, Adam Ingram, admitted that the US had misled the British high-command about the use of napalm, but he would not comment on the extent of the cover up. The use of firebombs puts the US in breach of the 1980 Convention on Certain Chemical Weapons (CCW) and is a violation the Geneva Protocol against the use of white phosphorous, “since its use causes indiscriminate and extreme injuries especially when deployed in an urban area.”

Regrettably, “indiscriminate and extreme injuries” are a vital part of the American terror-campaign in Iraq; a well-coordinated strategy designed to spawn panic through random acts of violence.

It’s clear that the military never needed to use napalm in Iraq. Their conventional weaponry and laser-guided technology were already enough to run roughshod over the Iraqi army and seize Baghdad almost unobstructed. Napalm was introduced simply to terrorize the Iraqi people; to pacify through intimidation. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Negroponte are old-hands at terrorism, dating back to their counterinsurgency projects in Nicaragua and El Salvador under the Reagan Administration. They know that the threat of immolation serves as a powerful deterrent and fits seamlessly into their overarching scheme of rule through fear. Terror and deception are the rotating parts of the same axis; the two imperatives of the Bush-Cheney foreign policy strategy. Napalm in Falluja

The US also used napalm in the siege of Falluja as was reported in the UK Mirror (“Falluja Napalmed”, 11-28-04) The Mirror said, “President George Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet-fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun the world…. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh…Since the American assault on Falluja there have been reports of ‘melted’ corpse, which appeared to have napalm injuries.”

“Human fireballs” and “melted corpses”; these are the real expressions of Operation Iraqi Freedom not the bland platitudes issuing from the presidential podium.

Dr. Khalid ash-Shaykhli, who was the head of the Iraqi Ministry of Health in Falluja, reported to Al Jazeera (and to the Washington Post, although it was never reported) that “research, prepared by his medical team, prove that the US forces used internationally prohibited substances, including mustard gas, nerve gas, and other burning chemicals in their attacks on the war-torn city.”

Dr Shaykhli’s claims have been corroborated by numerous eyewitness accounts as well as reports that “all forms of nature were wiped out in Falluja”…as well as “hundreds, of stray dogs, cats, and birds that had perished as a result of those gasses.” An unidentified chemical was used in the bombing raids that killed every living creature in certain areas of the city.

As journalist Dahr Jamail reported later in his article “What is the US trying to Hide?”, “At least two kilometers of soil were removed……exactly as they did at Baghdad Airport after the heavy battles there during the invasion and the Americans used their special weapons.”

A cover up?

So far, none of this has appeared in any American media, nor has the media reported that the United Nations has been rebuffed twice by the Defense Dept. in calling for an independent investigation into what really took place in Falluja. The US simply waves away the international body as a minor nuisance while the media scrupulously omits any mention of the allegations from their coverage.

We can assume that the order to use napalm (as well as the other, unidentified substances) came straight from the office of Donald Rumsfeld. No one else could have issued that order, nor would they have risked their career by unilaterally using banned weapons when their use was entirely gratuitous. Rumsfeld’s directive is consistent with other decisions attributed to the Defense Secretary; like the authorizing of torture at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, the targeting of members of the press, and the rehiring of members of Saddam’s Secret Police ( the Mukhabarat) to carry out their brutal activities under new leadership. Rumsfeld’s office has been the headwaters for most of the administration’s treachery. Napalm simply adds depth to an already prodigious list of war crimes on Rumsfeld’s resume’. Co-opting the Media

On June 10, 2005 numerous sources reported that the “U.S. Special Operations Command hired three firms to produce newspaper stories, television broadcasts and Internet web sites to spread American propaganda overseas. The Tampa-based military headquarters, which oversees commandos and psychological warfare, may spend up to $100 million for the media campaign over the next five years.” (James Crawley, Media General News Service) It’s clear that there’s no need for the Defense Dept. to shore up its “strategic information” (propaganda) operations in the US where reliable apparatchiks can be counted on to obfuscate, omit or exaggerate the coverage of the war according to the requirements of the Pentagon. The American press has been as skillful at embellishing the imaginary heroics of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman as they have been in concealing the damning details of the Downing Street Memo or the lack of evidence concerning the alleged WMDs. Should we be surprised that the media has remained silent about the immolation of Iraqis by American firebombs?

The US “free press” is a completely integrated part of the state-information system. Its meticulously managed message has been the most successful part of the entire Iraqi debacle. By providing the requisite cheerleading, diversions and omissions, the media has shown itself to be an invaluable asset to the men in power; perpetuating the deceptions that keep the public acquiescent during a savage colonial war. Given the scope of the media’s culpability for the violence in Iraq, it’s unlikely that the use of napalm will cause any great crisis of conscience. Their deft coverage has already facilitated the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people; a few more charred Iraqis shouldn’t matter.
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Wahid
05-14-2006, 10:14 PM
On 16 March, Reuters reported the arrest of an American "security contractor" who was found with weapons and explosives in his car. Last year, two Britons disguised as Arabs were caught with a car full of weapons and explosives; British forces bulldozed the Basra prison to rescue them. The Boston Globe recently reported: "The FBI's counter-terrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials."
salam
very interesting.... i knew about the british being cuaght but not others
any other source for that FBI investigation?
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guyabano
05-15-2006, 11:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
War is no games! The pains are real. The sufferings are real. The humiliations are real. The rages are real. Pain lead to suffering, suffering led to rage....
Agreed! , but these pains are for both sides. Also american soldiers have parents who suffer pains, so do the soldiers.

Funny also to see, how the medias can twist stories or videos to their advantage. I saw the same little girl in your video crying, but in the one I posted, she's smiling where she get something from a US-soldier.

format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
Do you take the Iraqi's people as idiots?
Not at all! Just the one who play suicide bombers and still think, the US are the agressors.
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KAding
05-15-2006, 04:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Syed Nizam
Called it whatever that u wanted to call. In these terms, the american media must be presented with an award for inventing all of those unimaginable jargons, such as Freedom of choice, Democracy for all.... Yeah right! Freedom of choice, through forces! Democracy, through forces! Called it what u want! Unfortunately the average Iraqi's dont seems to think so! No wise man will called the current Iraqi government as a valid government as long as it is under the occupation forces. That government is a farce as long as they dont have their sovereignity, as long as the occupying forces is operating inside Iraq as if it is nobody's business!
But who are you to decide this government and this political regime must be removed. Again the following appears to be the case:
1. Iraqis accepted this political regime by overwhelmingly voting in favour of the new constitution.
2. Iraqis have legitimized the current government by overwhelmingly voting in the elections.
3. All opinion polls indicate Iraqis support the new Iraqi Police and new Iraqi army. All indications are that they do not support attacks on the government, nor it's security forces.
4. Shia religious leaders support this government and the political process. Heck even strongly anti-American Shiite leaders, such as al-Sadr and his militia suppor the political process.

Who are you to decide this political regime must go? Do you have alternative data or at least indications that could prove to me the insurgents have popular support? You want to bring down this government while the Iraqis apparently do not!

What Iraq needs now to achieve stability is first and foremost the rule of law and strong political and governmental institutions! Yet it is the stated goal of many resistance forces to overthrow exactly these insitutions. But do they offer an alternative regime? No, because they are mostly rooted in just the Arab-Sunni community. The only thing their actions will lead to is anarchy.

Why must I condemned the insurgents? History have told us so many times, for example at the age of colonialisms, those who fights against the occupying forces is labelled as traitors, insurgents and even terrorists (sic).
Yes, by the colonial powers! Again, what makes you believe the Iraqis support the insurgents? Despite the fact that they openly and verifiably supported the creation of the current government? The same government these insurgent vow to overthrow.

Those colonial masters have one thing in common, that is to installed a puppet ruler, a puppet government to take care of their own interests in plundering the riches of the country that they have colonised. So, why must i condemned the insurgents? On the contrary, i do think that i must have the duty of condemning the occupying forces instead. Their pretext of invading Iraq is a farce! Their very continued presence there is a farce! Everything about the US in Iraq is a farce. PERIOD. :rant:
There has been no country in the arab world which has had elections as free as those in Iraq earlier this year. Again, noone could have forced the Iraqi electorate to go out and vote in these three elections. This government is a product of that political process. A collapse of the current government will only lead to even more anarchy and sectarian strife, since you know as well as I do that nor Shiite nor Kurds will accept to be controlled again by sunnis, which form the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi resistance. You and the insurgents have nothing to offer to the Iraqi people by your attempt to overthrow the government and the political institutions.
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Syed Nizam
05-16-2006, 04:34 PM
Iraq is not in a civil war, Iraq is under OCCUPATION!

Civil war is and always has been the favoured alternative should the US fail to dominate Iraq politically. The violence we currently see is an indication that the option to destroy Iraq is constantly being cultivated. What we have is the importation of ex-patriots lifted to power by the US who have been imposing a sectarian framework on the country. Iraq is not in a civil war, Iraq is under OCCUPATION!

http://www.cryingwolf.deconstructing...Scene%2020.swf
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23261&l=i&size=1&hd=0
http://www.newstatesman.com/200605080016
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