i can tell you, god is with attributes and god is without attributes, this is a contradiction about the nature of divine essence
If all things were equal, your statement would be enough to close off proceedings and end this conversation; you have conceded defeat. Unfortunately, things are not equal.
ONLY IF I WAS GOD BUT I AM NOT THE DIVINE ESSENCE
“There maybe a very good reason why they are all unwilling to “get it”. “
LETS SEE.
a) god in sikhism is incomprehesible and transcends rationale,
“Firstly, to claim that God is incomprehensible in the absolute sense of the word is self-refuting since the term ‘god’ carries a meaning which we understand; nirgun and sargun each have a meaning respectively which we understand. Hence, we comprehend the meaning of the term. “
WHEN WE SAY TRANSCEND RATIONALE THAT DOES NOT MEAN GOD IS ILLOGICAL TRANCENDING HAS A DEFINTION ALL OF ITS OWN, IT IS AN ABILITY OF GOD TO TRANSCEND RATIONALE YOU MAKE IT ALL OR NOTHING THAT’S YOURE OPINION.
“If I. S. Dhillon affirms that the nature of God transcends the rationale, which he does; then it is not possible for him to say anything about God, otherwise it would contradict what he affirms by making recourse to the rationale to comment on that which allegedly transcends his rationale. “
NOT AT ALL I HAVE ALSO SAID THAT GOD LOGICALLY CONCLUDES THAT HE TRANSCENDS RATIONALE BUT YOURE RESPONSE TO THIS WAS IGNORANCE LOOK:
“Thirdly, you simply asserting: “it [SGGS] logically concludes” does not prove it, neither will we roll over and play dead. You have not proven anything.”
WHAT IS THEIR TO PROOVE DID YOU EVER PROOVE THAT SIKHISM WAS ILLOGICAL OR THAT OUR GOD WAS FALSE YOU USED YOURE RATIONALE TOO, WHETHER YOU ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD OR NOT IS UP TO YOU.
“Hence, your denial of the law of non-contradiction in even one proposition entails that you accept the notion that opposite things can be true at the same time and in the same respect.”
I AM NOT GOD!!!!!!! GOD DOES NOT HAVE A MIND WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
“Fifthly, you attempt to escape this problem by cleverly stating that not all of the SGGS is illogical. “
NOT AT ALL ALL OF SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS FROM GOD THE ABILITY TO TRANSCEND LOGIC IS ONE OF GODS MANY ATTRIBUTES, HE LOGICALLY HAD CONVEYED THIS TO US YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS REFUTED THE BANI WITH A PREMISE THAT GOD MUST BE LOGICALLY, AND THE BIGGEST DEFEAT YET IS THAT TRANSCENDING LOGIC BE EQUATED WITH BEING ILLOGICAL, MOOORAKH!!!!!!!
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God is irrational, illogical and errant.”
POSSIBLY BUT I HAVE NOT SAID THIS, YOU HAVE TAKEN TRANSCENDING RATIONALE TO MEAN THE ABOVE BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IS NOT WHAT IS MEANT BY TRANSCENDING RATIONALE.
“Sixthly, your statement: “god has a nature which we as humans can never understand” is tiresomely contradictory and leave it to you to work out why.
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WELL DONE BUT GOD HAS LOGICALLY CONCLUDED THAT THESE ARE ONE OF HIS MANY ATTRIBUTES.
WELL DONE BUT GOD HAS LOGICALLY CONCLUDED THAT THESE ARE ONE OF HIS MANY ATTRIBUTES.
WELL DONE BUT GOD HAS LOGICALLY CONCLUDED THAT THESE ARE ONE OF HIS MANY ATTRIBUTES.
I HAVE POSTED THE ABOVE THREE TIMES I HOPE YOU GET IT THIS TIME.
b) when you are baptised in sikhism you surrender your head to the guru
Your denial of the law of non-contradiction also entails a negation of the above; thus, you do NOT surrender your head to the guru!
ONLY IF I WAS GOD
and you concentrate your mind on the gurshabad,
Your denial of the law of non-contradiction also entails a negation of the above; thus, you do NOT concentrate your mind on the gurshabad!
ONLY IF I WAS GOD
you do not formulate rules on how to govern society,
Your denial of the law of non-contradiction also entails a negation of the above; thus, you DO formulate rules!
ONLY IF I WAS GOD
you do not formulate punishments you do not use the scripture to judge others, you meditate on the word this is practicing sikhism. you do not refute the bani.
Your denial of the law of non-contradiction also entails a negation of all of the above; thus, you DO formulate punishments, you DO use scripture to judge others, you do NOT meditate on the word, you do NOT practice Sikhism, and you DO refute the bani!
ONLY IF I WAS GOD
GOD IS NOT MIND
GOD IS NOT MIND
GOD IS NOT MIND
I HAVE WROTE THIS 3 TIMES SO THE PENNY WILL DROP IT MUST BE HARD FOR YOU I UNDERSTAND.
c) if you are a sikh or non-sikh who wishes to carry out an interpretation of religious texts then you will come to the conclusion that the god of sikhism is beyond the laws of logic
Is the above statement true? Prove it on the basis of your rejection of the bi-valued laws of logic. Deny the law of bivalence, i.e. that a proposition is either true or false; deny the law of excluded middle, i.e. that a proposition is true or false, which is true; deny the law of non-contradiction, i.e. that a proposition is true and false, which is false.
YES COS WE DEFINE TRUTH IN SIKHISM DIFFERENTLY TO YOU SOMETHING WHICH IS LOGICALLY DEDUCTED IS NOT TRUE IT IS RIGHT OR SACH, IN SIKHISM TRUTH IS ONLY SPIRIT AND SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE THE CHARACTER OF RIGHT OR WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
the god of sikhism is beyond the laws of logic
“Are you beyond the laws of logic?
If not, then your understanding of God is bound by these laws.
If you deny this then your denial of the law of non-contradiction also entails a negation of the above; thus, the god of Sikhism is NOT beyond the laws of logic!”
IF I AM ADHERING TO LOGIC THAT IS MY CHOICE, GOD CAN BE LOGICAL AND ILLOGICAL, BUT TO TRANSCEND LOGIC IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING ILLOGICAL, IF I WERE TO ACCEPT THE NATURE OF AN INCOMPREHENSIBLE GOD THEN HE MUST BE ABLE TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN THESE THINGS OTHERWISE HE IS COMPRENSIBLE, JUST COS HE TELLS US THIS LOGICALLY DOES NOT MEAN HE CANNOT TRANSCEND THEM ASWELL.
“We do not mean to be disrespectful to you; but we believe this question is crucial in completely annihilating your preposterous stance:
Is Waheguru evil? “
GOD CREATES GOOD AND EVIL HE DOES NOT HAVE A MORAL CHARACTER
“If you forward an answer, you have limited God to your rationale which refutes your statement that God transcends rationality.”
NOT REALLY COS WE CAN NEVER FULLY UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF GOD THIS IS WHY SIKHS NEVER DEBATE ABOUT GOD COS ITS ABOUT EXPERIENCE NOT WHAT IS SAID.
“If you answer no, you have affirmed the inexorable laws of bi-valued logic, i.e. “Waheguru is not evil” is either true or false (bivalence); “Waheguru is evil or not evil” which is true (excluded middle); “Waheguru is evil and not evil” which is false (non-contradiction).
Answer this question please.
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THE ANSWER TRANSCENDED BOTH!!!
but hopefully if you are a good intellectually proficient scholar you will not brand the whole religion as illogical and untrue because this has no reasonable basis and is therefore a fallacy in itself.
“Not if one believes the entire SGGS is divinely revealed.
If you add one drop of poison into a pure class of water, can you say it is still pure water?
If you claim the entire SGGS is perfect in the absolute sense, i.e. devoid of errors, and yet it contains one error, can you still claim its absolute perfection? “
NOT AT ALL THIS IS ABOUT HOW YOU DEFINE TRUTH, YOURE USING A COMMON FRAME OF REFERENCE OTHER THAN SIKHISM ITSELF, BECAUSE GOD TRANSCENDS RATIONALE DOES NOT MAKE GOD ERRONOUS IT JUST MAKES HIM GOD WHO IS UNLIKE US. YOU HAVE PROOVED NOTHING.
d) if i was seeker of the truth i would learn that in sikhism the truth has no character the truth is a property of the divine, i would learn that in sikhism right and wrong are a part of mans bibek buddhi ie, living by your conscience, and the more spiritually enlightened you are the more awake you are to all that is wrong and right,
“Laa hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah!”
FAKE RELIGIOUS ASTONISHMENT
“You attempt to seek the truth in that which has no truth?! All praise is due to Allaah, He orders the Muslims: “
THE TRUTH IN SIKHISM IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY TO YOUR MORAL WAY OF DEFINING TRUTH, WE WILL NOT SURRENDER THE DFINTION OF TRUTH TO HIJACK A MODERN AGENDA UNLIKE ISLAM WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE SOLD OUT, TRUTH HAS MANY DEFINITIONS HAVE A LOOK ON THE NET IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY OR LOGIC IN SIKHISM BUT I AM SURE YOULL SHOVEL ME A QUOTE FROM THE KORAN WHICH SUGGESTS OTHERWISE, THIS PROOVES TO ME THAT ANGELS TOO ARE DUALISTIC IN NATURE THAT’S WHY THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH IN ISLAM IS SO OFF TANGENT.
“And knowledge here is the first pillar of Islaam, the very purpose of life itself, which is to worship Him correctly - knowledge of Allaah, and this knowledge is true. “
RUBBISH!!! THIS IS REFERRED TO AS MANMAT IN SIKHISM.
“Fanaa! We see that you have brushed up on the Hindu-inspired heretical Sufi terms of fanaa, kashf, bakaa, wahdatul wujood, etc. Congratulations, although all in vain. Just like this entire d) section – in vain and irrelevant.”
WHATEVERRRRRRR!!!!
“I wonder what I. S. Dhillon would say about Hitler who died with the full acceptance of his actions when ordering the extermination of millions of innocent people – “it does not matter”. “
NOT REALLY COS WHEN WE WERE BEING EXTERMINATED BY MANY OPPRESSORS WE DISPATCHED THEM SWIFTLY BECAUSE WE LIVED BY OUR CONSCIENCE, YOU KNOW JEWS WHO ARE THE GREATEST OF ALL INTELLECTUALS DID NOT REALISE THE TRUTH WITHIN PERHAPS THEN THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IGNORANT OF HITLERS INTENTIONS. AS FOR HITLER YES HE WAS BY MY CONSCIENCE A CONFUSED INDIVIDUAL.
i then would say hey sikhism is not like any other religion its doctrine is sovereign and this is a religion i would like to be apart of, i most definately would use logic for otherwise how would i make logical grammatical sequences when writing this post but now what does this have to do with my religion?.
Only that you use logical deduction to come to the above conclusion concerning your religion thereby refuting your own claim!
NOT REALLY GOD HAS NO MIND AND I AM NOT GOD I AM OPERATING IN DUALISM.
We have further omitted I. S. Dhillon’s conversation on a forum since it is completely irrelevant to our discussion.
ITS OK WE ARE SETTING UP OUR OWN SITE WE DON’T NEED FOR YOU TO EVEN ADD THIS ONE WE WILL DO IT OURSELVES YOU CAN BE ASSURED OF THAT.
We hope that this time round, rather than copying and pasting conversations, I. S. Dhillon directly answers the above questions posed, questions and points he has thus far conveniently side-stepped.
LET ME KNOW IF I HAVNT.
May vaheguru rehabilitate your psychosis,
ISDhillon:thankyou: