Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!

[Shukria]

Monday, May 15, 2006
Palestine is ‘property of Islam’: Qaradawi

HAMAS would be toppled quickly if it gave concessions to Israel “because nobody has the right to give up even a grain of sand that belongs to Palestine,” prominent Islamic scholar Dr Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi said in his sermon yesterday. However, he added that the Arabs and Muslims could have a truce with Israel.

Speaking on the fatwas (edicts) drawn up by the two-day Muslim Scholars Gathering for the Support of Palestine held at the Ritz Doha, Qaradawi called upon Muslims around the world to give Zakat and alms to the besieged Palestinians.

“The Palestinian teachers who have not been paid for months deserve to receive Zakat,” Qaradawi said, adding that Muslims should also donate amounts accruing from bank interest to the Palestinians.

He called upon the Arab and Muslim peoples to put pressure on their governments to refuse the orders of the US. “We are not slaves to the Americans, we would like our rulers to say no to America,” he said.

The scholar also stressed that Palestine is a “property of Islam” and not owned by a specific person. “If the present generation retreated, the coming generations will still have the right to liberate Palestine,” he said while stressing that if it were not for the political borders, millions of young people would flood into Palestine for jihad.

“A Qatari youth told me that he and 30 others plan to leave for Palestine for jihad,” Qaradawi said.

Regarding the banks blocking aid transfers to the Palestinian Authority, Qaradawi said such banks should be confronted and boycotted. “People should go to these banks and tell their officials that they will withdraw their deposits.”

He also exhorted Palestinians to stop internal fighting. “Palestinians’ blood should be saved for the fight against Israel and fighting among Palestinians should be prohibited,” he said while calling upon Muslims around the world to help them in their ordeal.

In the sermon at the Omar Ibn al-Khattab mosque in Khalifa city, al-Qaradawi said Islam has successfully overcome hard times, “Muslims have ended the presence of the Crusaders who unleashed a bloodbath when they invaded Jerusalem.”

Muslims also achieved a dual victory against the invading Tatars, “one a military victory and other a moral one when they embraced Islam”, he said, stressing that this was the first time in history that the invaders had embraced the religion of the invaded nation.

Regarding what he labelled as “Zionist colonisation”, Qaradawi pointed out that relations between Muslims and Jews had been good till the appearance of Zionism. Jews had lived among Muslims for centuries and been treated better than anywhere else. But they turned against Arabs and Muslims with the advent of Zionism and wanted to colonise Palestine as settlers.

“The Jews mistakenly claim that Allah has given them Palestine as their homeland, which is untrue. Allah has never ordained that people should be deported from their homes to be replaced by strangers,” Qaradawi said.

He said Islam will prevail because “the darkest hour is that which comes before the dawn.”

Source: http://www.islamicawakening.com/view...p?newsID=7836&

[Joe98]

Palestine is the property of the rightful owners (whoever they may be).

Palestine is not the property of Islam.

Islam is a religion and cannot own land.

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[Joe98]

He said Islam will prevail because “the darkest hour is that which comes before the dawn.”

This quote is wrong.

The coldest part of any 24 hours is just before the dawn. This is because the sun has been off the earth for the maximum amount of time.

There is no "darkest" part of the night. From sunset to sunrise the amount of darkness remains the same adjusted only by moonlight or street lighting.

The quote is wrong and therefore Islam cannnot prevaile ;D ;D

[north_malaysian]

Israel (pre 1967) belongs to Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs.

Palestine (west Bank & gaza) belongs to Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Armenians, Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Samaritans and Palestinian Greeks.

Jerusalem belongs to both Israelis and Palestinians.

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[Nicola]

Moses said unto his people (the Israelites): "Remember the good deeds that Allah has done for you, who appointed and gave you prophets and rulers, something he has not given to any other nation in the world; and now, my people (the Israelites), enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you. Do not turn back because otherwise you might be doomed and come to ruin." Surah 5:20-21

Then we let the people (Israel), who were despised, inherit the Eastern and western parts of the land which we had blessed. And the fair word of the Lord was fulfilled for the children of Israel because of their endurance. Surah 7:137

Then we said to the children of Israel: "Dwell in the land, and when the promise of the hereafter will be fulfilled, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." Surah 17:104

what do these scriptures mean?

[HeiGou]

Israel (pre 1967) belongs to Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs.

Palestine (west Bank & gaza) belongs to Palestinian Arabs, Palestinian Armenians, Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Samaritans and Palestinian Greeks.

Jerusalem belongs to both Israelis and Palestinians.

There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.

[Ayesha Rana]

Moses said unto his people (the Israelites): "Remember the good deeds that Allah has done for you, who appointed and gave you prophets and rulers, something he has not given to any other nation in the world; and now, my people (the Israelites), enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you. Do not turn back because otherwise you might be doomed and come to ruin." Surah 5:20-21

Then we let the people (Israel), who were despised, inherit the Eastern and western parts of the land which we had blessed. And the fair word of the Lord was fulfilled for the children of Israel because of their endurance. Surah 7:137

Then we said to the children of Israel: "Dwell in the land, and when the promise of the hereafter will be fulfilled, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." Surah 17:104

what do these scriptures mean?

They refer to Allahs chosen people who were gifted with the promised land. The whole argument stems from the fact that Allah promised his people the Holy Land. The differences of opinion rise as to who the chosen people are. The Jew believe it is them and we Muslims believe it is us. The Islamic point of view is that Islam has prevailed among Mankind since the creation of Adam(as), because Islam means to submit to the will of Allah which is the message every prophet brought to his people. The Israelites were the muslims of their time because they followed the commands of Allah sent through the prophet Musa(as), but they when they corrupted their Torah and went astray this promise of God continued along the line of true muslims, those who followed the prophet Muhammad(saw).

[Ayesha Rana]

There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.

Hear Hear. I second that!

[Ayesha Rana]

Palestine is the property of the rightful owners (whoever they may be).

Palestine is not the property of Islam.

Islam is a religion and cannot own land.

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But Allah is the owner of everything and He commanded Islam. Palestine is His property to gift to whom He wills.

[Nicola]

They refer to Allahs chosen people who were gifted with the promised land. The whole argument stems from the fact that Allah promised his people the Holy Land. The differences of opinion rise as to who the chosen people are. The Jew believe it is them and we Muslims believe it is us. The Islamic point of view is that Islam has prevailed among Mankind since the creation of Adam(as), because Islam means to submit to the will of Allah which is the message every prophet brought to his people. The Israelites were the muslims of their time because they followed the commands of Allah sent through the prophet Musa(as), but they when they corrupted their Torah and went astray this promise of God continued along the line of true muslims, those who followed the prophet Muhammad(saw).

thanks for the info
Would you quote for me where God changed his mind regarding the Jewish people and God gave the land to the Muslims..

Is Jerusalsam actually mentioned in the Quran?
thanks.

[Dawud_uk]

Palestine is the property of the rightful owners (whoever they may be).

Palestine is not the property of Islam.

Islam is a religion and cannot own land.

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peace Joe,

we dont differentiate between religion, politics, economics, government etc in islam, all is one 'deen' a deen being a complete holistic view on life that takes in all these aspects and many more.

therefore the islamic state is a concept that seems alien to non-muslims but is perfectly in accordance to God's law.

peace,
Daw'ud

[i_m_tipu]

lol.......

[Ghazi]

Salaam

Palistine is the property of 'Allah' we just live here rent free.

[Nicola]

peace Joe,

we dont differentiate between religion, politics, economics, government etc in islam, all is one 'deen' a deen being a complete holistic view on life that takes in all these aspects and many more.

therefore the islamic state is a concept that seems alien to non-muslims but is perfectly in accordance to God's law.

peace,
Daw'ud

seems strange after all these years...there still isn't even one.

[i_m_tipu]

There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.

Lol

[Nicola]

Salaam

Palistine is the property of 'Allah' we just live here rent free.

do you live there?
just wondering

[Ghazi]

do you live there?
just wondering

:sl:

Nope, just ment people in genral.

[Ayesha Rana]

thanks for the info
Would you quote for me where God changed his mind regarding the Jewish people and God gave the land to the Muslims..

Is Jerusalsam actually mentioned in the Quran?
thanks.

God didn't change His mind. Sorry if you misunderstood me but i am trying to say that Allah promised the Promised Land to the Muslims to begin with. The Israelites were the muslims of their time cos they submitted to God. Those of them who went astray and called themselves Jews are no longer Muslims cos they went astray. The true Muslims are those who follow the Messenger of Allah Muhammad(saw).
Jerusalam is mentioned in the Hadith but I'll check up the Qur'an bit.
Peace.

[Nicola]

God didn't change His mind. Sorry if you misunderstood me but i am trying to say that Allah promised the Promised Land to the Muslims to begin with. The Israelites were the muslims of their time cos they submitted to God. Those of them who went astray and called themselves Jews are no longer Muslims cos they went astray. The true Muslims are those who follow the Messenger of Allah Muhammad(saw).
Peace.

thanks i understand now...

but don't the Jews still worship the one true God.

[KAding]

There is no difference between Palestine on one side of the Green line and Palestine on the other. Ethnic cleansing is wrong. It was wrong in 1948, it was wrong in 1967, it is wrong today. It will remain wrong for long time to come.

The only just solution is returning the refugees to their homes and properties. On both sides of the Green line.

But virtually all states have borders that were set by war and ethnic cleansing. If it is timeless, how far back should we go? 20 years? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? 3000 years? If we want we can go back all the way to the ancient world and base the borders of nations on that. This is in fact exactly what the extremist Jews are doing, they are following the same logic.

If we apply your logic to Europe we will have to redraw all borders, especially considering what happened after both WW1 and WW2.

[Muslim Soldier]

Moses said unto his people (the Israelites): "Remember the good deeds that Allah has done for you, who appointed and gave you prophets and rulers, something he has not given to any other nation in the world; and now, my people (the Israelites), enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you. Do not turn back because otherwise you might be doomed and come to ruin." Surah 5:20-21

Then we said to the children of Israel: "Dwell in the land, and when the promise of the hereafter will be fulfilled, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." Surah 17:104
what do these scriptures mean?

Ther followerers of Musa turned back and forgot Allah. Andf thery also turned back and left ther land.

And it says childeren of Israel, not Jews

[Muslim Soldier]

thanks i understand now...

but don't the Jews still worship the one true God.

No like christians they belive God had a son

[IceQueen~]

thanks i understand now...

but don't the Jews still worship the one true God.

yeah but they don't believe in all the prophets including the last prophet muhammad (SAW). so how can they have the true word of God to follow His laws correctly?

[...]

thanks i understand now...

but don't the Jews still worship the one true God.

Yes but they have distorted their religion and changed it according to what they want to believe.

[KAding]

Monday, May 15, 2006
Palestine is ‘property of Islam’: Qaradawi

*Looks at map*

Nope nope, it definately seems to be the property of the Jews :?.

[i_m_tipu]

peace Nicola

Moses said unto his people (the Israelites): "Remember the good deeds that Allah has done for you, who appointed and gave you prophets and rulers, something he has not given to any other nation in the world; and now, my people (the Israelites), enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you. Do not turn back because otherwise you might be doomed and come to ruin." Surah 5:20-21

Then we let the people (Israel), who were despised, inherit the Eastern and western parts of the land which we had blessed. And the fair word of the Lord was fulfilled for the children of Israel because of their endurance. Surah 7:137

Then we said to the children of Israel: "Dwell in the land, and when the promise of the hereafter will be fulfilled, we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." Surah 17:104

what do these scriptures mean?

005.021 "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."


Here the verse says “O my people” people who r guided by Prophet Moss [pubh]

And Prophet Moss [pubh] guided by Allaah (SWT)

So it is petty much clear that “O my people” r those people who follow the path of Allaah (SWT)

now thequestion is........... r u follow the path of Allaah(SWT)???

u certainly not.....

in other ways

were not u those people who changed the Law of GOD
but amazing thing is that u still claiming the same gift from GOD which he gave u when u were guided
very interesting claim

[Dawud_uk]

seems strange after all these years...there still isn't even one.

peace nicola,

examine history, whenever muslims come close then the west destroys it such as what happened in afghanistan recently.

that is not to excuse the muslims, Allah (swt) grants the people the leaders they deserve (look at the US and Bush) so both have to come together,

the implimentation of an islamic state and the reform of the muslim people so we deserve such a situation.

peace,

Daw'ud

[IceQueen~]

*Looks at map*

Nope nope, it definately seems to be the property of the Jews :?.

not gonna stay their property for long....(and not their rightful property anyway)

[...]

So true! The muslims will soon have their rightly deserved land! The jews disobeyed God's command and strayed from the straight path so Palestine isn't theirs anymore.

[Ghazi]

So true! The muslims will soon have their rightly deserved land! The jews disobeyed God's command and strayed from the straight path so Palestine isn't theirs anymore.

Salaam

We should remember the jews can't use the promised land excuse cause the jews which followed Moses was muslim since they followed the laws of allah.

[Joe98]

Salaam
We should remember the jews can't use the promised land excuse cause the jews which followed Moses was muslim since they followed the laws of allah.

The Jews have a history of 5,000 years

Islam began about 1,400 years ago and therefore Moses was not a Muslim.
He was a Jew.

[IceQueen~]

The Jews have a history of 5,000 years

Islam began about 1,400 years ago and therefore Moses was not a Muslim.
He was a Jew.

you obviously do not understand the meaning of 'muslim'?

[Joe98]

Then how about you educate us?

You could go back 2,000 years and tell us the definition of Muslim before the prophet (pbuh) was born????

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[HeiGou]

But virtually all states have borders that were set by war and ethnic cleansing. If it is timeless, how far back should we go? 20 years? 50 years? 100 years? 500 years? 3000 years? If we want we can go back all the way to the ancient world and base the borders of nations on that. This is in fact exactly what the extremist Jews are doing, they are following the same logic.

If we apply your logic to Europe we will have to redraw all borders, especially considering what happened after both WW1 and WW2.

I don't think you have to redraw borders - and what happened after WW1? - but you do need to let the Germans et al return to their homes where they lived before 1945. In the case of Palestine it is easier because the refugees are still in camps waiting to go home. They have a legal and moral right to go home. That needs to be enforced.

The existence of Israel provides no benefits to anyone. It is a strategic and moral liability to the West. It can only exist through the wholesale abuse of Palestinian human rights. The Jewish Israelis would be better off in the West. I think the West needs to offer them all that choice.

[Ghazi]

Then how about you educate us?

You could go back 2,000 years and tell us the definition of Muslim before the prophet (pbuh) was born????

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Salaam

Moses taught the laws of allah so we see him as a muslim. Same goes for the rest of the prophets.

[Nicola]

Ther followerers of Musa turned back and forgot Allah. Andf thery also turned back and left ther land.

And it says childeren of Israel, not Jews

Jews neither Christians believe Allah is God. So you are right Jews have turned their back on Alllah.


Israel was the new name God gave to Jacob...and he was a Jew.

[Joe98]

But Allah is the owner of everything and He commanded Islam. Palestine is His property to gift to whom He wills.

Who ownes Brazil????

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[Nicola]

Salaam

Moses taught the laws of allah so we see him as a muslim. Same goes for the rest of the prophets.

Moses taught the Law of God..

[IceQueen~]

Then how about you educate us?

You could go back 2,000 years and tell us the definition of Muslim before the prophet (pbuh) was born????

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muslim is the arabic for someone who submits to the will of Allah.
so if moses is the prophet of Allah then he is a muslim and so are his followers...-GET IT?!

[IceQueen~]

Who ownes Brazil????

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God does. yeah God owns you too Joe, so get real!!

[muzna]

The Jews have a history of 5,000 years

Islam began about 1,400 years ago and therefore Moses was not a Muslim.
He was a Jew.

ASSALAM
it is true that islam as it is now is about 1400 years old. Allah completed the religion through Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) and this is why there has been no need for prophets after him. Musa believed in and followed the commandments of Allah, though he did not practice Islam as the religion is it today as ammendments were made according to the time and the necessity. All Prophets believed in Allah and led pure lives.
Musa was not a Jew...Jesus was a jew, but his followers are christians, wheres the sense in that?
please correct me if i have made any mistakes..

[Muslim Soldier]

The Jews have a history of 5,000 years

Islam began about 1,400 years ago and therefore Moses was not a Muslim.
He was a Jew.

Jews neither Christians believe Allah is God. So you are right Jews have turned their back on Alllah.


Israel was the new name God gave to Jacob...and he was a Jew.

A muslim is one who submits to the will of Allah. Moses was a muslim.
God named Jacob Israel, maybe.But where does it say that he was a Jew?

[Nicola]

A muslim is one who submits to the will of Allah. Moses was a muslim.
God named Jacob Israel, maybe.But where does it say that he was a Jew?

why wasn't they called muslims in the Bible?

[Muslim Soldier]

Muslim is an arabic word Nicola

[Nicola]

Muslim is an arabic word Nicola

thanks

so Muslim just means Submissive...is that right

[Ninth_Scribe]

Regarding what he labelled as “Zionist colonisation”, Qaradawi pointed out that relations between Muslims and Jews had been good till the appearance of Zionism. Jews had lived among Muslims for centuries and been treated better than anywhere else. But they turned against Arabs and Muslims with the advent of Zionism and wanted to colonise Palestine as settlers.

“The Jews mistakenly claim that Allah has given them Palestine as their homeland, which is untrue. Allah has never ordained that people should be deported from their homes to be replaced by strangers,” Qaradawi said.

Source: http://www.islamicawakening.com/view...p?newsID=7836&

Thank you for this. The Judeans (Jews) were not behind this invasion of Palestine... they were just a convenient excuse. My imaginary 'friend' and I have been going over this whole dispute from the beginning.

First, an 'ancestral' claim does not support an act of war, nor did the Judeans even require it since the lands were made available to them... and any one else who wished to live there.

Secondly, the 'ancestral' claim, were it to be invoked, would be limited to the land that was Judea - a very small bit of land to the south of the land that was Israel. When Ezra (Uzayr) returned with his people from the Babylonian exile, they limited their residencies to Judea only - because they understood this. One has to remember that when the wars began, it was the sons of Benjamin and Judah that were at war with the tribes of Israel, so I don't see how any Judean (Jew) could even think about claiming any of the land that was Israel.

Thirdly, by their own admission, the 'lost' tribes of Israel were absorbed into the Assyrian culture, which... if I'm not mistaking... is Muslim now? They (Muslims) have the right to claim that land... I just have to find them all.

Who ever is behind all this current BS, is obviously ignorant to Judean records because from just the above, which represents only a tenth of what I actually know, there are no legal or religious grounds to support what has happened in Palestine.

They can put up all the walls they want, but it won't solve the problem. If memory serves, those walls came down twice before.

Ninth Scribe

[Muslim Soldier]

thanks

so Muslim just means Submissive...is that right

One who submits to the will of Allah

[Sahraxx]

Salaam,
It has been sed before but the solution i feel isnt to kick all the jews out of the country it is to allow the palestinians to return to ther homes israel i feel is the land of the ahlul kitab (people of the book) and so the main issue here is to compromise inshallah this will eventually happen.

[Nablus]

“The Palestinian teachers who have not been paid for months deserve to receive Zakat,” Qaradawi said, adding that Muslims should also donate amounts accruing from bank interest to the Palestinians.

Israel will not blackmail the palestinian through their incomes > we prefer to die fom hunger than accepting any thing that offers it on us

Subhana Allah there is no justice on this planet> We are the terrorist in the view of western mass media >

May Allah STRENGHTEN OUR Iman

[HeiGou]

It has been sed before but the solution i feel isnt to kick all the jews out of the country it is to allow the palestinians to return to ther homes israel i feel is the land of the ahlul kitab (people of the book) and so the main issue here is to compromise inshallah this will eventually happen.

Realistically the two options are 1. leaving the Palestinians where they are or 2. kicking the Jews (and incidentally probably the Christians as well) out of their homes. No one is going to accept being second-class citizens any more and the treatment other ahl-ul-kitab have got elsewhere would not inspire anyone to accept such a status.

[Sahraxx]

well then unfortunately it would have to be the second option as that seems the most fair although if i was a leader i would try to force compromise.

[KAding]

Salaam,
It has been sed before but the solution i feel isnt to kick all the jews out of the country it is to allow the palestinians to return to ther homes israel i feel is the land of the ahlul kitab (people of the book) and so the main issue here is to compromise inshallah this will eventually happen.

That is completely unrealistic. The Jews will never accept Dhimmi status. If the Pals return the country must become a secular state without any kind of official religion

[R_Mujahed]

Palestine is the property of the rightful owners (whoever they may be).

Palestine is not the property of Islam.

Islam is a religion and cannot own land.

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Rightfull owners have always been Muslims (People Submissive to Allah) throughout history!

Sure Palestine is not property of Islam, It is the property of Muslims!

Last time I checked Judsm was a religion... yet they occupied land... isreal does not exist in the first place due to what it is based on!

The occupied lands welcome people all over the world but on one condition... they must be jews! and therefore they want to kick out who is not a jew!

[R_Mujahed]

That is completely unrealistic.

Why would that be unrealistic? It is unrealistic that if you consume enough twinkies you could go under a state of Automatism! But It has happened!

The Jews will never accept Dhimmi status.

Then I guess they will have to embrace Muslim or Fight! And I Think MLK is the one that said If you are not willing to die for something then you do not deserve to live! <--- should satisfy you!

If the Pals return the country must become a secular state without any kind of official religion

The Pals will InshaALLAH Return the country! And Islam will be the official religion and Shari'a Law will govern InshaALLAH and that is a Full Stop

[Trumble]

Last time I checked Judsm was a religion... yet they occupied land... isreal does not exist in the first place due to what it is based on!

Judaism is a religion, but you should not confuse "those who follow Judaism" with "the Jewish people". Although religious Zionism was one factor that resulted in the migration to Palestine it was by no means the only one, or indeed the most significant one. What was sought was a home for the Jewish peoplewho had been scattered for more than 1,500 years, rather than a home for the Jewish religion. It is a political conflict as much as a religious one - indeed it was almost exclusively political until fairly recently.

Then I guess they will have to embrace Muslim or Fight! And I Think MLK is the one that said If you are not willing to die for something then you do not deserve to live!

They have demonstrated their will to fight repeatedly, having fought and beaten Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 (and, in rather different circumstances, in 1956). I would point out they did that alone; it is inconceivable that in a new war of aggression against Israel they would not have the full military support of the United States. In other words.. they won't be "embracing islam", or dying, in the forseable future.

[muzna]

Who ownes Brazil????

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God owns everything cause God created everything..

[snakelegs]

No like christians they belive God had a son

this is wrong. jews are just as monotheistic as muslims are.

[snakelegs]

Jews neither Christians believe Allah is God. So you are right Jews have turned their back on Alllah.


Israel was the new name God gave to Jacob...and he was a Jew.

are you under the impression that allah is different from god?? it is just arabic - same god.

[Dawud_uk]

why wasn't they called muslims in the Bible?

peace nicola,

why arent they called christians in the bible either?

as others have pointed out, muslim means one who has submitted to God, Jesus submitted to God and was therefore.... MUSLIM.

peace,

Daw'ud

[Dawud_uk]

Salaam,
It has been sed before but the solution i feel isnt to kick all the jews out of the country it is to allow the palestinians to return to ther homes israel i feel is the land of the ahlul kitab (people of the book) and so the main issue here is to compromise inshallah this will eventually happen.

assalaamu alaykum,

simple solution, once the muslims get their house in order and establish the kilafate we march into palestine and those jews who dont flee get 3 choices same as usual...

1. islam
2. jiziyyah
3. the sword

in any case, once the land is back under muslim control the jews still living their whatever their status will have to give back what has been stolen or make reperations for it to its true value and usage during the time period they hold onto it.

Sheikh Ahmed Yaseen understood this perfectly, it is not necessary for the palestinians to win, only keep making life very uncomfortable for the jews so they want to leave and then when the islamic state comes about then they sort it out for them. this is why hamas are willing to sign a long term truce (but not peace) with the jews on this.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud

[Dawud_uk]

this is wrong. jews are just as monotheistic as muslims are.

no, they associate partners with Allah by ruling by other than he has revealed.

Quran 5.64
The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

this saying Allah's hand is tied up is negating true belief in Allah and saying his power is limited and is therefore disbelief.


Quran 2.135
They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."

here Allah is clearly telling us they associate partners with him in various ways.


Quran 9.30
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

this is the heresy where some jews believe one of their kings to be a Son of Allah, may Allah bring such people to a true understanding of man's relationship with Allah - i.e ISLAM.


there are many other verses in the Quran where it is pointed out the jews and christians are disbelievers, they have broken their covanant and so will not be a rightly guided people until they return to the correct path which is islam, the true monotheistic faith.

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

Daw'ud

[searchingsoul]

I don't think you have to redraw borders - and what happened after WW1? - but you do need to let the Germans et al return to their homes where they lived before 1945. In the case of Palestine it is easier because the refugees are still in camps waiting to go home. They have a legal and moral right to go home. That needs to be enforced.

The existence of Israel provides no benefits to anyone. It is a strategic and moral liability to the West. It can only exist through the wholesale abuse of Palestinian human rights. The Jewish Israelis would be better off in the West. I think the West needs to offer them all that choice.

That is the best explanation I've ever read.

[HeiGou]

no, they associate partners with Allah by ruling by other than he has revealed.

Quran 5.64
The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

this saying Allah's hand is tied up is negating true belief in Allah and saying his power is limited and is therefore disbelief.

I wonder about this claim. Leaving aside the interesting phenomenon of a Muslim lecturing non-Muslims about what Jews believe. What is the Quran referring to here? What did the Jews say that would prompt such a response?

Quran 9.30
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

this is the heresy where some jews believe one of their kings to be a Son of Allah, may Allah bring such people to a true understanding of man's relationship with Allah - i.e ISLAM.

But these are not Jews in the sense that most people would describe Jews. I believe Ansar Al-Adl has pointed out there was some heretical group in Arabia. But you cannot claim that God has a Son in the Christian sense and be a Jew any more than you can and be a Muslim.

So out of interest, apart from the Quran evidence, can we agree that all the Jews in the world today do not do this, and that there is no evidence of it outside the Quran and aHadith?

there are many other verses in the Quran where it is pointed out the jews and christians are disbelievers, they have broken their covanant and so will not be a rightly guided people until they return to the correct path which is islam, the true monotheistic faith.

What, all of them? Collectively?

[Ayesha Rana]

Who ownes Brazil????

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Allah Bro. Allah is the owner of everything

[snakelegs]

no, they associate partners with Allah by ruling by other than he has revealed.

well, jews may not be monotheistic from the point of view of islam, but they certainly consider themselves monotheistic, and very strongly so.
no sons. no partners - god is one.

[Dawud_uk]

well, jews may not be monotheistic from the point of view of islam, but they certainly consider themselves monotheistic, and very strongly so.
no sons. no partners - god is one.

Peace snakelegs,

If someone does something that God has told them not to, or listens to someone else when God has told them to do it different then they are saying they know better than God.

That is taking a partner with God as when he legislates on a matter it is not for us to take a different view and to say this different view is better is an act of associating a partner with God in his right to legislate matters for human beings.

The pagans at the time of the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) also believed in one God but legislated differently to what God had revealed.

God tells also us in the Quran about the Jews and Christians,

“They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!”

Some of the companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who were new to islam and used to be jews and Christians asked how it was that they used to take their priests and rabbis as partners to Allah?

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) told them did you not listen to them when they ruled by other than Allah has revealed?

When they responded yes, they understood that when Allah legislates on a matter if you follow other than that then you have taken the one you listen to as a partner besides God.

Hope this helps your understanding of Islam.

Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

Daw’ud

[snakelegs]

hi dawud,
so the position of islam is that because jews altered god's words and teachings, (followed their teachers instead of god) they committed shirk.
i think i understand now.
all i was saying is that jews consider themselves monotheistic. they even have their own version of la illaha illaha, which religious jews recite 3 times a day and hope to die with this on their lips.
obviously islam sees it differently. okay.