Police

[anonymous]

:sl:

I'm a muslim, living in England. I was wondering what the Islamic stance is on a muslim joining the police? Considering my job would be to restore law and order to the streets?

[Ghazi]

:sl:

Go for it, we need muslims in positions of power.

[seeker_of_ilm]

:sl:

I agree with the above poster. A muslim in a position of authority, in the police would be great. Also, if non-muslims saw muslims also giving a service to the country, regardless of the persons religion, race, then I think it can quash some misconceptions and also the tensions perhaps.

[786rani]

go for it show them what us muslims can do even though most ppl think we hate our western countries.
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[chacha_jalebi]

i tink its heavy, i wantd 2 b a police officer :p but u hav 2 b lik 40 b4 u can join d undacova cops so i didnt wana do it den :p

der aint nower in islam, wer it says dnt do justice, we r told 2 do justice ebery wer!!
but go 4 it man, we need muslims in d police force, its not lik ur killin ne1, jus doin justice, n sum1 mite say bla bla u cnt work 4 d british govt, well if ne1 says dat, tell em 2 move countries cos we pay tax n bare ova tins 2 d govt, :p so bro my personal opinion go 4 it!!! neway we sud hav copper contacts :p if ya get moi

[seeker_of_ilm]

i tink its heavy, i wantd 2 b a police officer :p but u hav 2 b lik 40 b4 u can join d undacova cops so i didnt wana do it den :p

der aint nower in islam, wer it says dnt do justice, we r told 2 do justice ebery wer!!
but go 4 it man, we need muslims in d police force, its not lik ur killin ne1, jus doin justice, n sum1 mite say bla bla u cnt work 4 d british govt, well if ne1 says dat, tell em 2 move countries cos we pay tax n bare ova tins 2 d govt, :p so bro my personal opinion go 4 it!!! neway we sud hav copper contacts :p if ya get moi

:sl:


Yeah people like them get on my nerves. "This countries this....this countries that...you can't work for this country...." Well these are the same people that are

A) Either paying taxes to this country or
B) Claiming benefit from this country


I don't like the governments foreign policy, but as citizens of this country, we should offer something to the PEOPLE of this country. Muslims need to get out there, work in all sectors, we need to see more muslim police men, firefighters.....

[Ghazi]

:sl:


Yeah people like them get on my nerves. "This countries this....this countries that...you can't work for this country...." Well these are the same people that are

A) Either paying taxes to this country or
B) Claiming benefit from this country


I don't like the governments foreign policy, but as citizens of this country, we should offer something to the PEOPLE of this country. Muslims need to get out there, work in all sectors, we need to see more muslim police men, firefighters.....

Salaam

I agree only thing I think a muslim shouldn't participate in is the Army.

[Umar001]

Chacha jalebi, are u islamgyal with a different ID? and what does PIND mean? Im from london never heard of it.

And Bro I would be careful, cos I have seen some 'fatwas' on muslims in the Us army and so on, so just consult someone with regards to this, to be on the safe side.

And please people dont jump all over me teling me its different i know it is but im just thinking about being on the safe side

[seeker_of_ilm]

:sl:

Heres a fatwaa on policing in the US

In principle, to assist the oppressed is permissible and an act of virtue.
To be party to oppression is Haraam (strictly prohibited).

The above criterior should be used to determine your decision as a police
officer. If your position as an officer will be only to combat crime, and
assist the troubled, etc. then there is no prohibition in becoming an
officer. Surely, as an officer, you will be required to follow rules and
principles. You should measure those rules and principles through the
abovementioned criteria and decide on that.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[glo]

:sl:

I'm a muslim, living in England. I was wondering what the Islamic stance is on a muslim joining the police? Considering my job would be to restore law and order to the streets?

I don't know the Islamic stance on this ... but other people have answered that already.
I think it is always a good idea when people from other faiths and/or ethnic backgrounds enter public services! In fact, many public sectors actively encourage applications from such 'minority' groups.

Peace.

[chacha_jalebi]

Chacha jalebi, are u islamgyal with a different ID? and what does PIND mean? Im from london never heard of it.

And Bro I would be careful, cos I have seen some 'fatwas' on muslims in the Us army and so on, so just consult someone with regards to this, to be on the safe side.

And please people dont jump all over me teling me its different i know it is but im just thinking about being on the safe side

who islamgyal? n y wud i wana make a fake id, i aint sad cum on man, u say im islam gal den u call me bro?:?

[Muhammad Waqqas]

The Job needs to be a Halaal one. Check out the duties that you'll have to do if you're in the Police and see if they contradict Sahria'h. If they do, abstrain from it. If they don't, well no problem then of course. And yes! We need muslmis in power! ;)

[Re.TiReD]

:sl: i wanted to be a coppa!! i could just imagine the headlines 'Hijaabi sista coppa' lol they even came to skool (back wen i was still at skool) lol and she saw that i was really interested and she took ma details. apparantly you can start straight afta college...you dont even have to go col in the first place but you have to be 18...altho i guess that would be pretty low tech stuff you'd be going into...promotions and the like probably 10 years later!! lol :giggling: but yeah...GO FOR IT!! das wot i'd say.

but one more thing...do you see any justice in the coppas nowadays?? if your profession is gonna be beating up muslim youth and the like at peacefull demonstrations is it really the job for you?? (i'm referring to the programme on the bradford riots that came on several weeks ago) would you really wanna be part of that? :? i dunno...but the decision lies with the individual...good luck with whatever you do tho!! :w: :sister:

[Ghazi]

who islamgyal? n y wud i wana make a fake id, i aint sad cum on man, u say im islam gal den u call me bro?:?

:sl:

:giggling: :giggling:

[Rabi'ya]

:sl: brother/sister

In principle, i agree with Muslims joining the police, however, i have issues with certain situations that u may find yourself in. For example, you may be on patrol with one female and one male officer - this could lead to fitnah. Also, how do u feel about dealing with places like night clubs/pubs etc.

Simple things ilke this would stop me from joining the police - even tho i had considered it in the past.

As I said, u need to look at the pros and cons and make a decision for yourself.

I do know a brother who is a police man and he says he finds things difficult sometimes, but on the whole he enjoys the job. It can certainly bea rewarding one.

:w:

Rabi'ya:rose:

[anonymous]

:sl:

Any more on the islamic opinion regarding policing? Also peoples personal opinions of problems I might face as a muslim police officer.

Be honest, I need to know before I decide Insha'allah

[glo]

From this and other threads I gather than there are sometimes concerns about Muslim people entering public services jobs (we had another discussion on becoming a nurse in the health service).
Although I can understand that, if some aspects of the job are haram, it may be better to avoid the job; I can't help but feel that it is all the harder for the Muslim community if their minority group is under represented in the public services.
It would be such a good way to make the main population understand your faith better, and perhaps to even influence policy making, if more Muslims were in the public services!

Just my penny's worth! :)

Peace.

[SirZubair]

My uncle joined the London Police force in 2003,allhumdulilah,he is still alive..

[Muezzin]

:sl:

I'm a muslim, living in England. I was wondering what the Islamic stance is on a muslim joining the police? Considering my job would be to restore law and order to the streets?

Just don't get shot or stabbed.

:beard:

[dishdash]

This is one of the most positive threads I have seen on this forum and one of the first I have seen that doesn't call for the destruction of Israel... <sigh> Alhamdulilah.

Seriously though, the reason why the Sahaba who settled in Abyssynia were so successful (and indeed in helping shape the destiny of Islam) was the integration into Abyssinian society (at all levels including the army) as opposed to assimilation.

Joining the police and representing the Moslem community isn't just about showing that we care about ourselves either. It shows non-Moslems that we are standing up and being counted - that we are are capable of caring about non-Moslems and non-Moslem society too. That we are true stakeholders.

Many non-Moslems have little or no contact with our brothers and sisters beyond what they see on the news, and of course, that is rarely reflecting the Islam we know as the norm. That is why we need as much representation in all fields of society as we can possibly get. We need to show that we are no shadowy fringe group as some non-Moslems would like to make out and some Moslems are happy to let eventuate.

Here in Australia we have the same issues the Moslems in GB have. We are only now starting to realise that participation can often be it's own reward. Brothers and sisters joining charity events, joining bush fire patrols, joining surf life savers, etc etc.

We still have very few police but alhamdulilah that is changing too. My wife's cousin has been a policeman here for a few years now, and my wife herself was accepted to the academy, only to end up finding out she was pregnant the week before she was to leave... oops! She was told she would have been the first hijaabi in NSW!

I would encourage all brothers and sisters to get into the force and represent. Positive community role models, certainly here in Oz, are thin on the ground. Insh'Allah the rewards of daw'ah and otherwise will abound for those who take such a step.

ANd remember, by representing, we become our own media - the most powerful of all. We are each our own BBC, ITV, Channel 4 (though maybe not a Channel 5 though!) rolled into one.

[dishdash]

i tink its heavy, i wantd 2 b a police officer :p but u hav 2 b lik 40 b4 u can join d undacova cops so i didnt wana do it den :p

Chach - they were probably referring to your IQ.

Of course they may just have seen your application form and had some sort of prescient vision of your crime reports...

Dis bloke rite - 'e wos rite leary an wos doin'' sum tink wiv a gun yeah rite. Now ear dis. E got d gun an booyaka 'e blew away dis clerk den yeah 'e wos lyk oos next u filfee babylon... etc etc.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

LOL@dishdash
But erm... i dunno... i don't like police ever since Babar Ahmad got arrested. What if you were instructed to beat the pulp out of a fellow Muslim?
Pray salaat al istikhaara I say.
:w:

[dishdash]

That is like saying I don't like Moslems since 9/11.

What do you mean if you were instructed to beat the crap out of a fellow Moslem?! You insinuate that on the occasions this might happen it's NOT racist officers, rather an offically sanctioned directive from New Scotland Yard?

<cough> victim mentality <cough>

[Nicola]

I wish we could see more people from minority groups in the police force.

It believe it's a thankless job in many times...but is a very rewarding one.

I admire the police force very much...and feel sorry for them when they work so tirelessly hard on many cases...them are so let down by our dumb system of law here in the UK.

I wish you all the best what ever you chose to do in your future.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

That is like saying I don't like Moslems since 9/11.

What do you mean if you were instructed to beat the crap out of a fellow Moslem?! You insinuate that on the occasions this might happen it's NOT racist officers, rather an offically sanctioned directive from New Scotland Yard?

<cough> victim mentality <cough>

Do you know anything of Babar Ahmad's case?
:w:

[dishdash]

Do you know anything of Babar Ahmad's case?
:w:

Of course I do - throw away the key I say...

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

AstaghfurAllah. Dishdash, that's low. Even for you.

[glo]

What if you were instructed to beat the pulp out of a fellow Muslim?

It's really worrying to hear somebody express such a view about the police service.
Do you really believe such instructions are given in the British police service?
And if so, where do you get such teaching/ information from?

To hear a young British Muslim say such things makes me realise that we have a long way to go to make peace between Muslims and the secular state they live in. :-\
You must live in a state of permanent fear and distrust of the very services that are in place to protect you! I could not live like that!

Peace.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Yeah well im scared of what would happen if the police kicked my door down. That's just a personal opinion. It has nothing to do with Islam. So I don't understand what that has to do with Muslims and the secular state.
Sorry, don't mean to sound rude.

[Ghazi]

Of course I do - throw away the key I say...

:sl:

How can you say such a thing I'm disguested.:offended:

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Me too. To wish that on an innocent Muslim.... *speechless*.
:w:

[hidaayah]

Agree with sis umm shaheed ..what if u have to do sumthing against ur muslim brothers n sisterz?? what will u do then...to be on the safe side there are soo many other proffessions to choose from.and also as sis Rabiya said:

For example, you may be on patrol with one female and one male officer - this could lead to fitnah. Also, how do u feel about dealing with places like night clubs/pubs etc.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

JazakAllah for the back up sis.
:w:

[queen_nadia]

in think dat as muslims we shud really think of hw much we value & respect da rules of islam. to fight4 or protect views dat go againts islam is very dangerous. e.g. think about a muslim gettin into a fight with an non-believer and according to shari3a the muslim is correct. wot den? wud you A) follow you religion or B) do as many hav done and put it aside jus 4 prosparity in da dunya
think about it den m8k ur mind up.
life is a battle dont m8k things harder for yourself in da long run!!!!

[Syed Nizam]

Assalamualaikum & greetings 4 all,

First of all, I'm surprised that there are still some of us muslims who could actually think that joining the forces is haram? Why must we always see things as only limited to black or white? Why cant we see the colors, the various shades of life in between?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but surely all of us must know and realise that as a muslim we have to fulfilled 2 obligations. Firstly are those which falls under the Fardh-Ain and secondly, those which falls under the Fardh-Kifayah. Things like prayer (namaz), fasting, hajj etc falls into the first category. Things like what we do as a living, for example, falls into the later. However, there are certain things when this Fardh-Kifayah things bacome Fardh-Ain. Take the question asked in this thread as a good example for this. To be a police is a Fardh-Kifayah for the muslim in general. So does other jobs such as a doctors, engineers, teachers etc.... What would have become to the muslim community in the whole if all muslims have a very narrow minded perspective on life? Everything is haram, without even any slight conscience on it. Can u imagine if all muslim prohibits the woman from becoming doctors? Asked yourself, would u rather have a male doctor or a muslimah doctor to accompany your wife during labour? So, please.... refrained ourselves from falling into this malady. Truly, the right things have been clearly estinguished from error.

Peace...

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Nicely put.
Babar Ahmad was physically and mentally abused by the anti-terror police. He was forced into prayer position and they asked him 'where's your God now?'
Apart from smashing his head against the window so hard that the window shattered, they also physically tortured him for the next half an hour. Oh, and they also did something as strange as pulling on his genitals. Perverts.
:w:

[queen_nadia]

so rite sis! i cudn't imagine supportin such a system. i will live in this country as a law abiding citizen but i won't support thier unjust laws that affect us muslims. and please brothers and sisters dont try & tell me about joining them to m8k a difference. it wont m8k a difference they will neva be happy until we leave our religion.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

As Allah has stated in the Qur'an, sa7 ukhti!
I won't break any laws insha-Allah, but no way will i encourage someone to join the police.
:w:

[j4763]

Agree with sis umm shaheed ..what if u have to do sumthing against ur muslim brothers n sisterz??

What like arrest them? Why should that be a problem, or are Muslims not allowed to arrest fellow Muslims even if they have broken the law of the country they reside in?

[glo]

Assalamualaikum & greetings 4 all,

Take the question asked in this thread as a good example for this. To be a police is a Fardh-Kifayah for the muslim in general. So does other jobs such as a doctors, engineers, teachers etc.... What would have become to the muslim community in the whole if all muslims have a very narrow minded perspective on life? Everything is haram, without even any slight conscience on it. Can u imagine if all muslim prohibits the woman from becoming doctors? Asked yourself, would u rather have a male doctor or a muslimah doctor to accompany your wife during labour? So, please.... refrained ourselves from falling into this malady. Truly, the right things have been clearly estinguished from error.

Peace...

I have asked myself this question before now.

I really like your post. Thank you for that!
I think it is important for 'ethnic minorities' to make themselves present in their local communities.
I often feel that Muslims I listen to either want society as a whole to 'become more Islamic' (which in a secular society isn't like to happen, at least not quickly), or otherwise keep themselves isolated from the rest of society.
Surely the must be a middle way!

As a Christian woman in a secular society I sometimes face similar issues.
For example, I work in the health service. Topics such as sexual behaviour, abortion, genetics etc are real issues, which can create real tensions between a believer's faith and his/her job.
That does not mean that Christians leave their jobs in droves. It means they apply their faith at work, try to change policies, witness to other people and talk about their faith!
Does it create tensions? Yes!
Does it need constant assessment of one's faith? Yes!

But sometimes, not doing the job, is the easy way out!
Just my personal opinion of course. :)

Peace.

[anonymous]

:sl:

I don't think that the police force actively instructs their officers to target muslims for excess violence. Also, if you people are saying that the entire police is corrupt, muslim beaters, judged by the actions of the minority, isn't this the same as people labelling muslims terrorists on the actions of a few?

Also, if a muslim was causing unrest, should he not be arrested? We are told to abide by the laws of the country we live in.

Please keep them coming, they are extremely helpful, and giving me a little insight:)

^ What is a Da'iyah?

[j4763]

The police have a great part in running the country. They should be seen as a greater authority buy the public, if there were more Muslims in the police force then I would hope more Muslims would respect the police as so many seem not to.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

I'm not syaing all police are evil. A nice policeman gave me directions yesterday. What i'm trying to say is that you may be put in a situation where you are forced to harm a fellow Muslim or stand by and watch. What with all the power police are given with these anti-terror laws... I think it's wrong for a Muslim to be part of such a force.
-Peace

[j4763]

I'm not syaing all police are evil. A nice policeman gave me directions yesterday. What i'm trying to say is that you may be put in a situation where you are forced to harm a fellow Muslim or stand by and watch. What with all the power police are given with these anti-terror laws... I think it's wrong for a Muslim to be part of such a force.
-Peace

Rubbish! If there were more Muslims in the police then they could help stop these so called actions you speak of.

[seeker_of_ilm]

Rubbish! If there were more Muslims in the police then they could stop these so called actions you speak of.

:sl:

I agree! If there were muslims in the police force, thats one way they would be in a position where they can do anything about all this unfair treatment, and brutality.

[Ghazi]

Rubbish! If there were more Muslims in the police then they could stop these so called actions you speak of.

:sl:

Huh? People from all walks of life call them that, A majority of police abuse their power, oh I'm a police officer don't mess with me, once this women officer made a show of me by screaming in my face, seriously I doubt she'd have the nerve if she wasn't a policewomen.

[anonymous]

:sl:

What do people think could be problems faced by the muslim community itself, towards me as a muslim police officer. be brutally honest :)

[Syed Nizam]

The word 'haraam' never came out of my mouth.
Go join the dirty forces if you want, i'm just not gonna propagate it.
:w:

Assalamualaikum sis,

This issue is plain & simple. Ever imagine how all of us muslims cries fouls when the western media portrayed us, muslims as a terrorists due to the action of some lunatics among us? SURELY, we will say that it is GROSSLY WRONG for the whole community to be blamed for the action of a minority.

Ever imagine if we applied the same cases here, in the case of the police? Surely (i'm not denying it) that there are some lunatics in the police force itself who use excessive forces on others. But, again... aren't we falling into the same malady here when we accused the whole police force of being dirty, just due to the action of a few officers?

Arent we equally guilty of falling into the narrow minded prejudice view on the whole thing?:?

Peace...

[j4763]

:sl:

What do people think could be problems faced by the muslim community itself, towards me as a muslim police officer. be brutally honest :)

I guess your get call things like a dirty traitor?
And have no respect shown towards you.

[seeker_of_ilm]

:sl:

So would peoples feelings be the same about a muslim firefighter? He could be in a situation where he would have to deal with a non-mahram woman, carrying her out of a fire.

Just wondering

[Ghazi]

:sl:

What do people think could be problems faced by the muslim community itself, towards me as a muslim police officer. be brutally honest :)

:sl:

Well with the authorities increasing their suspicion of muslims, some might see you as a sell-out ect, and think your on their side.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

:sl:

What do people think could be problems faced by the muslim community itself, towards me as a muslim police officer. be brutally honest :)

I don't have any problems with you, i just don't like the power police are given. And to be honest, i don't like or trust the police after the Babar Ahmad case. Some of the laws in this country are totally unislamic. I can be arrested just for supporting the resistance in countries like Iraq or Palestine, even verbally. Is that justice? Oh yeah and I can still suupport the IRA mind you.
So no i don't think you would get any problems with me, i just don't like the police force.

[j4763]

:sl:

Huh? People from all walks of life call them that, A majority of police abuse their power, oh I'm a police officer don't mess with me, once this women officer made a show of me by screaming in my face, seriously I doubt she'd have the nerve if she wasn't a policewomen.

Did she have a reason to scream in your face? If not what was it about?

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Assalamualaikum sis,

This issue is plain & simple. Ever imagine how all of us muslims cries fouls when the western media portrayed us, muslims as a terrorists due to the action of some lunatics among us? SURELY, we will say that it is GROSSLY WRONG for the whole community to be blamed for the action of a minority.

Ever imagine if we applied the same cases here, in the case of the police? Surely (i'm not denying it) that there are some lunatics in the police force itself who use excessive forces on others. But, again... aren't we falling into the same malady here when we accused the whole police force of being dirty, just due to the action of a few officers?

Arent we equally guilty of falling into the narrow minded prejudice view on the whole thing?:?

Peace...

The anti-terror laws gives them those freedoms, so i say don't join at all. This si my opiniona nd i'm not passing out a fatwa.
:w:

[Ghazi]

Did she have a reason to scream in your face? If not what was it about?

:sl:

It was about 2 years ago, some students from our school had a fight with other students from a rival school just across the road, well the story goes me and my mates were at the bus-stop wating for the bus we were just talking and guess what she gets in my face acting all hard for no reason she could've just said it in a clam manner and I would've responded better, also I've been searched in numerous places, all for the colour of my skin.

[Syed Nizam]

I often feel that Muslims I listen to either want society as a whole to 'become more Islamic' (which in a secular society isn't like to happen, at least not quickly), or otherwise keep themselves isolated from the rest of society.
Surely the must be a middle way!

u r absolutely right there. In a sense, who will better understand sensitivity and the plight of the muslim community than the muslim themselves? If only there is a muslim officer in the force, i'm sure that they will brings a slight difference to the police force where the muslims are concerned. This applies to all kind of profession which are in principal with the Islamic Sharia Laws. I do believe that the muslim community must sincerely try to make a difference, to integrate and represented themselves in the local community.

In brother Dish Dash word exactly, we must stand up and be counted....

Peace...

[j4763]

:sl:

It was about 2 years ago, some students from our school had a fight with other students from a rival school just across the road, well the story goes me and my mates were at the bus-stop wating for the bus we were just talking and guess what she gets in my face acting all hard for no reason she could've just said it in a clam manner and I would've responded better, also I've been searched in numerous places, all for the colour of my skin.

Well maybe due to the fighting she had to shout? I've to been searched a fair amount of times when i was a bit younger, was it to because of the colour of my skin (i'm white)?

[queen_nadia]

its easy to look for reasons the point is being part of a group that are crooked and dishonest is not in the character of a muslim. this is my view not qouted by anyone else.

[queen_nadia]

Assalamualaikum & greetings 4 all,

First of all, I'm surprised that there are still some of us muslims who could actually think that joining the forces is haram? Why must we always see things as only limited to black or white? Why cant we see the colors, the various shades of life in between?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but surely all of us must know and realise that as a muslim we have to fulfilled 2 obligations. Firstly are those which falls under the Fardh-Ain and secondly, those which falls under the Fardh-Kifayah. Things like prayer (namaz), fasting, hajj etc falls into the first category. Things like what we do as a living, for example, falls into the later. However, there are certain things when this Fardh-Kifayah things bacome Fardh-Ain. Take the question asked in this thread as a good example for this. To be a police is a Fardh-Kifayah for the muslim in general. So does other jobs such as a doctors, engineers, teachers etc.... What would have become to the muslim community in the whole if all muslims have a very narrow minded perspective on life? Everything is haram, without even any slight conscience on it. Can u imagine if all muslim prohibits the woman from becoming doctors? Asked yourself, would u rather have a male doctor or a muslimah doctor to accompany your wife during labour? So, please.... refrained ourselves from falling into this malady. Truly, the right things have been clearly estinguished from error.

Peace...

look i think that comparing the role of a doctor and a police officer doesn't m8k sence. purely because doctors are there to save lives and in many countries police officers are allowed to t8k lives. which should a muslim be considering the charaacter of a muslim and the conflict within the police force with your views and thiers:sister:

[j4763]

look i think that comparing the role of a doctor and a police officer doesn't m8k sence. purely because doctors are there to save lives and in many countries police officers are allowed to t8k lives. which should a muslim be considering the charaacter of a muslim and the conflict within the police force with your views and thiers:sister:

The police are also here to help save lifes, and protect the people.

[seeker_of_ilm]

look i think that comparing the role of a doctor and a police officer doesn't m8k sence. purely because doctors are there to save lives and in many countries police officers are allowed to t8k lives. which should a muslim be considering the charaacter of a muslim and the conflict within the police force with your views and thiers:sister:

:sl:

Actually, the police DO save lives. Their job is to come when you're being attacked. Perhaps, in some countries police CAN take lives, but here in the UK, where the original poster lives, the average police officer isn't even taught HOW to fire a gun.

And also, surely the best Police Officer would be the one that has the character of a muslim? Being fair and just.

[j4763]

What would your average Muslim prefer a Muslim officer knocking on your door or a non-Muslim after incident?

[seeker_of_ilm]

What would your average Muslim prefer a Muslim officer knocking on your door or a non-Muslim after incident?

Good Question

[Syed Nizam]

look i think that comparing the role of a doctor and a police officer doesn't m8k sence. purely because doctors are there to save lives and in many countries police officers are allowed to t8k lives. which should a muslim be considering the charaacter of a muslim and the conflict within the police force with your views and thiers:sister:

Again, i beg to differ.:hiding:

Doctors saved lives and sometimes, they make mistakes too & ended by taking up lives.....
Police also saved lives, from thieves, thugs, kidnapers, triad society etc. They make mistakes too & ended up by taking up lives.....

As u can see, both have their own roles to play. Without the doctors, the health system will be crippled. To some extent, without the police, the order of society will also ends up in chaos. Like my analogy b4, i would loved my wife 2 be treated by a muslimah doctor. Where the police is concerned, i would also loved if some muslim officers would come to aid in me in my needs.....:?

Afterall, we must be righteous in discharging our duties as a muslim and as a decent human being. We can always quit if we find something which is in error with our own principal. But to call it quit before even started shouldn't be an excuse for us. Afterall, the Quran teach us to actually try to mixed and learned from others as well.

"O mankind, surely we have created you, families and tribes, so you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable of you with God is MOST RIGHTEOUS AMONG you. Surely, God is Knowing, Aware."

Peace...

[glo]

u r absolutely right there. In a sense, who will better understand sensitivity and the plight of the muslim community than the muslim themselves? If only there is a muslim officer in the force, i'm sure that they will brings a slight difference to the police force where the muslims are concerned. This applies to all kind of profession which are in principal with the Islamic Sharia Laws. I do believe that the muslim community must sincerely try to make a difference, to integrate and represented themselves in the local community.

In brother Dish Dash word exactly, we must stand up and be counted....

Peace...

Again, I totally agree with you! :)
Got nothing else to say ... :rollseyes

peace.

[glo]

look i think that comparing the role of a doctor and a police officer doesn't m8k sence. purely because doctors are there to save lives and in many countries police officers are allowed to t8k lives. which should a muslim be considering the charaacter of a muslim and the conflict within the police force with your views and thiers:sister:

Hi Nadia

I think it was me who brought up the wider topic of Muslims working in public services, not just the police. Sorry!

I'm sure some issues are different for the police service.
It just reminded me of another thread where we discussed whether it was halal to become a nurse.
Different line of work, but similar in the sense of a public service, where you are going to have dealing with other people, and an opportunity to represent Islam.

Sorry if I took the thread off topic. :thankyou:

Blessings.

[glo]

Great thread, this!
It is lovely to see so many different views being expressed so rationally! :)

Peace, all.

[Ghazi]

Well maybe due to the fighting she had to shout? I've to been searched a fair amount of times when i was a bit younger, was it to because of the colour of my skin (i'm white)?

:sl:

Trust me when your black police act really funny around you as if you've got ''I'm guilty written on your face''.

[dishdash]

:sl:

Huh? People from all walks of life call them that, A majority of police abuse their power, oh I'm a police officer don't mess with me, once this women officer made a show of me by screaming in my face, seriously I doubt she'd have the nerve if she wasn't a policewomen.

I bet she would.

[dishdash]

:sl:

It was about 2 years ago, some students from our school had a fight with other students from a rival school just across the road, well the story goes me and my mates were at the bus-stop wating for the bus we were just talking and guess what she gets in my face acting all hard for no reason she could've just said it in a clam manner and I would've responded better, also I've been searched in numerous places, all for the colour of my skin.

Do you prefer being described as having a chip on your shoulder or just a having a victim mentality?!

Is your skin green?

Now - Umm Mu'minah - Babar Ahmad! Ahhhhhh..... I have NO sympathy for him whatsoever! I stand by my earlier comments - throw away the key. I cannot go into details, but I do know EXACTLY what's going on there. No innocent Moslem was harmed during the raids I can assure you of that though. I cannot and will not say more on this. Neither do I particularly care what your passionately held but ultimately ill-informed views consist of.

There are many technical points of procedure that were thoroughly breached though. But they are far more widely known and understood.

One of the things about the people who practise my deen that I love and hate in equal measure most is the way we will defend so sincerely those who would be called our own. For sure we should make 70 excuses. But note also the Rasool did not say 71, or 1001 or keep on making excuses ad infinitum.

Anyway - this is not a thread about alleged police brutality, alleged terrorists or even IT's perpetual 'is it cos I is black?' mentality.

Join the police, and represent our community, our deen and our mercy.

[anonymous]

Jazakallah for the advice...............Keep the pro's/con's coming! They're great!

[Ghazi]

Do you prefer being described as having a chip on your shoulder or just a having a victim mentality?!

Is your skin green?

Now - Umm Mu'minah - Babar Ahmad! Ahhhhhh..... I have NO sympathy for him whatsoever! I stand by my earlier comments - throw away the key. I cannot go into details, but I do know EXACTLY what's going on there. No innocent Moslem was harmed during the raids I can assure you of that though. I cannot and will not say more on this. Neither do I particularly care what your passionately held but ultimately ill-informed views consist of.

There are many technical points of procedure that were thoroughly breached though. But they are far more widely known and understood.

One of the things about the people who practise my deen that I love and hate in equal measure most is the way we will defend so sincerely those who would be called our own. For sure we should make 70 excuses. But note also the Rasool did not say 71, or 1001 or keep on making excuses ad infinitum.

Anyway - this is not a thread about alleged police brutality, alleged terrorists or even IT's perpetual 'is it cos I is black?' mentality.

Join the police, and represent our community, our deen and our mercy.

:sl:

Huh? whats your problem, you assume he's guilty then tell us why? other wise keep your comments to yourself, I'm shocked, and btw Police do target people cause of the colour of their skin I've had numerous exprience, I was at the wrong place at the wrong time but My skin stood out I guess.

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When i was younger i wanted to join the police coz u get to ride horses :giggling: :p

[Ayesha Rana]

When i was younger i wanted to join the police coz u get to ride horses :giggling: :p

Puh you would. (me too):giggling: You know they sacked 200 police officers from our area with no excuse-or so i read in an election leaflet. Some people might call me paranoid but i bet it was all the normal police.
By the way glo your avatar is so adorable. It reminds me of when the Arabs in the times of ignorance used to bury their baby daughters.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

The bobby squad sucks man!(some teenage wisdom):okay:
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