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primitivefuture
05-19-2006, 01:50 AM
I hear Christians mumbling that Islam is the fastest growing due to high birth rates.

Is there any site you can refer me to that show that Islam gets the most converts? Thanks.

Salaam.
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syilla
05-19-2006, 01:52 AM
what is it so much about the quantity...

we should focus much on the quality..
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primitivefuture
05-19-2006, 01:57 AM
Well, I think we know the winner when it comes to quality :)
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Ansar Al-'Adl
05-19-2006, 02:18 AM
Originally Posted by primitivefuture
I hear Christians mumbling that Islam is the fastest growing due to high birth rates.
Actually, their leading scholars and missionaries acknowledge the conversion rates to Islam.

Joel Richardson, a Christian Missionary, clarifies in his book against Islam entitled Will Islam Be Our Future? - A Study of Biblical and Islamic Eschatology the reasons for his writing against Islam:
The Islamic Revival

The clearest reason to study and understand Islam and specifically Islamic eschatology is quite simply because Islam is the future. Yes, you read that correctly: Islam is the future. If present trends do not change dramatically, Islam will bypass Christianity for the title of the world’s largest religion very shortly. In fact, according to most statistics, this may take place in less than twenty years. A majority who read this book will live to see this. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, growing at a rate four times faster than Christianity. [1] Presently those who practice Islam make up approximately one fifth of the world’s population. One seasoned Bible teacher from England after reviewing the statistics recently commented that, “if present trends continue, half of all global births will be in Muslim families by the year 2055”. [2] Something dramatic and revolutionary is happening right before our eyes, and most western Christians are oblivious to it. The purpose of this chapter is to inform the reader about the rapid growth of Islam. The picture that is about to be painted may surprise some people. Some may be confused. Some may even deny it, but it is the truth and it needs to be told. Even by itself, the growth and spread of Islam is a powerful wake up call to all Christians.

Not only is Islam the fasting growing religion in the world, but also in the United States, Canada and Europe. [3] The annual growth rate of Islam in the US is approximately 4%, but there are also strong reasons to believe that it may have risen to as high as 8% over the past few years. Every year, tens of thousands of Americans convert to Islam. Prior to 2001 most reports seem to have the number roughly around 25,000 American converts per year. [4] This may not sound like that much, but this yearly figure according to some Muslim American clerics has quadrupled since 9-11. [5] Since 9-11 the numbers of American converts to Islam has skyrocketed. As early as one month after the World Trade Center attacks, the reports were flowing in from Mosques all over America. Ala Bayumi, the Director of Arab affairs at the Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) on November 11, 2001, in the London daily newspaper, Al-Hayat said this:
Non-Muslim Americans are now interested in getting to know Islam. There are a number of signs... Libraries have run out of books on Islam... English translations of the Koran head the American best-seller list... The Americans are showing increasing willingness to convert to Islam since September 11... Thousands of non-Muslim Americans have responded to invitations to visit mosques, resembling the waves of the sea crashing on the shore one after another...[6]
After testifying to the dramatic strides that Islam had taken as a result of the 9-11 attacks, Bayumi goes on to say that:
Proselytizing in the name of Allah has not been undermined, and has not been set back 50 years, as we thought in the first days after September 11. On the contrary, the 11 days that have passed are like 11 years in the history of proselytizing in the name of Allah. [7]
In an article from the British newspaper, The Times of London, January 7, 2002 just four months after 9-11 we read:
There is compelling anecdotal evidence of a surge in conversions to Islam since September 11, not just in Britain, but across Europe and America. One Dutch Islamic centre claims a tenfold increase, while the New Muslims Project, based in Leicester, [England] and run by a former Irish Roman Catholic housewife, reports a “steady stream” of new converts. [8]
And at the time of this writing in late 2004, this phenomenon does not seem to be waning. I recently asked a Muslim acquaintance how many Americans he has witnessed convert to Islam in just the past year. He explained that he has personally participated in at least one hundred conversion ceremonies in the past year alone. I have similarly asked dozens of American Muslims if they have witnessed a dramatic increase in conversions to Islam since 9-11 and the answer every time has been a resounding yes. Newer official data is difficult to come by and analyze for more than one reason. First of all, very few comprehensive studies have been done since 9-11; most studies seem to have been done just prior to 2001. Also, since 9-11, many American Muslims are very hesitant to give information away to pollsters who come to the Mosques. There is a widespread suspicion among the Muslim community that pollsters are merely gathering information for the United States Homeland Security Administration or the FBI. Most converts wish to remain relatively anonymous. But from my own personal, albeit anecdotal, experiences, I have talked to many American converts to Islam who have converted since 9-11.

But here’s the other sad [sic!] aspect of these figures: Over 80% of these American converts to Islam were raised in a Christian Church. [9] If the higher figures of conversion are accurate, that would mean that as many as 60,000 Americans, who were raised in Christian homes, are converting to Islam annually. I have one acquaintance who, although he was a pastors son raised in a deeply religious and traditional Christian family, nevertheless converted to Islam in college. I have read numerous testimonies of priests, missionaries, divinity students, and normal everyday Christians who have converted to Islam. Some are even self-described former “spirit filled Christians”. Some may object that this is impossible. If this is the case, some might object, then why aren’t these statistics more widely known? You may be wondering why you do not personally know anyone who has converted. There are easy answers to these questions. One of the primary reasons that these trends have gone largely unnoticed is that most American Muslims are concentrated in the larger metropolitan centers. The greater Chicago metropolitan area for instance is home to well over 350,000 Muslims. Greater New York City has twice that with over 700,000 Muslims. [10] The other important statistic that sheds light on why this issue isn’t more commonly discussed in many white American churches is sadly because 85% of American converts to Islam are African-American. White Christian America has not nearly been as impacted by this phenomenon as African-Americans have. It is a very sad commentary on the discontinuity and disunity of the American Church. Islam is absolutely sweeping through the inner cities. One Muslim authority estimates that by the year 2020 most American urban centers will be predominantly Muslim. [11] But as the number of conversions increases, the face of the Muslim convert is changing as well. Shortly after 9-11, National Public Radio did a special on Islam and those who had converted after 9-11:
One of the most important topics [in an NPR broadcast] was an interview with several young women at American universities who recently converted to Islam through the Islamic Society of Boston. They hold advanced degrees from universities in Boston, such as Harvard, and they spoke of the power and the greatness of Islam, of the elevated status of women in Islam, and of why they converted to Islam. The program was broadcast several times across the entire U.S...[12]
From an article in The New York Times, October 22, 2001, we read a portion of Jim Hackings story:
Nine years ago, Jim Hacking was in training to be a Jesuit priest. Now, he is an admiralty lawyer in St. Louis who has spent much of the last month explaining Islam at interfaith gatherings… He made the Shahadah [Muslim Conversion ceremony] on June 6, 1998. "The thing I've always latched to is that there's one God, he doesn't have equals, he doesn't need a son to come do his work," (emphasis mine) [13]
A typical testimony of a former Christian convert reads:
As a child, Jennifer Harrell attended church and Sunday school. In high school, she was on the drill team and dated a football player. After college, she became a Methodist youth minister. At age 23, she became a single parent. At age 26, she became a Muslim. "I grew up in Plano doing all the things I thought I was supposed to do," said Ms. Harrell, 29, of Dallas. "I went to church. I went to parties. But I wasn't concerned about heaven or hell. I took it all for granted." Eventually, she took a job in sales, where she was introduced to Islam by Muslim co-workers. One of them loved to debate religion, which stirred Ms. Harrell to rethink her Christian faith. She studied the Bible, but also Islam in order to do a better job of defending her faith. Instead, she became intrigued that Muslims prayed five times a day, fasted and gave alms as a way of life. "I wasn't the type of Christian who prayed every morning," she said. She said Muslim beliefs about Jesus made more sense to her because they revere him as a prophet and not God's son. "When I was a Christian, I never understood why Jesus had to die for my sins," Ms. Harrell said. "I mean, they're my sins." Before becoming a Muslim, she visited a Christian minister. She said she asked why Christians ate pork, why women didn't cover their heads in church, and why Christians dated. "I wanted him to defend the Bible," she said. "I gave him everything that I had found wrong with Christian interpretation." His answers didn't satisfy her.[14]
Stories like Jim Hacking’s and Jennifer Harrell’s are legion. I have probably read a hundred such stories.

...For now, the point that needs to be emphasized is that the beliefs of the world’s second largest and fastest growing religion should matter to us. This is especially true in light of Islam’s potential to soon become the world’s largest religion. A fair prediction is that if the time comes when Islam indeed does bypass Christianity as the world’s largest religion, or even as it merely begins to draw closer to that point, there will be a tipping point whereby the rate of growth will increase exponentially. Bandwagon conversions and confusion among faithful Christians will be the rule of the day. We cannot underestimate the power of a worldwide trend. Indeed one of the primary aspects of the last-days is what the Bible calls the “great apostasy,” which will be a significant global falling away from the Christian faith. While Islam now exists as an insecure religion wrestling with why Allah has allowed Islam to remain an inferior presence in the earth compared to Christianity, the days will likewise come for Christians, when they too will have to wrestle will why God has allowed Islam to bypass Christianity in terms of both growth and influence. This could begin to happen as soon as fifteen years from now. It could be sooner. I sincerely hope that this is not the case, but at present, there are very little indicators to suggest otherwise. The only hope for a turnaround in this trend would be a significant full-scale worldwide revival; the kind of revival that until now has never been seen. But for now, as the trend is just beginning in America, it is time to become informed and prepared for what promises to be the Church’s greatest challenge ever. As I said earlier, Islam is the future (albeit only temporarily so). It is time for the Church to face reality. As Brother Andrew, the man who became so well known for smuggling bibles past the iron curtain, as told in the modern Christian classic, God’s Smuggler, said as early as 1994, “What Communism was to the twentieth century, Islam will be for the next one hundred years.” [19]

Notes:

1. David Pawson, The Challenge of Islam to Christians (London, Hodder and Stoughton, 2003), p. 11

2. ibid.

3. Bruce a. Mcdowell and Anees Zaka, Muslims and Christians at The Table (Phillipsburg, P& R Publishing, 1999), p. 6

4. ibid.

5. New York Times, October 22, 2001, Jodi Wilgoren, Islam Attracts Converts by the Thousands, Drawn Before and After Attacks,

6. Al-Hayam Newspaper (London), November 12, 2001, as quoted in Middle East Media & Research Institute, November 16, 2001, Muslim American Leaders: A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11

7. Al-Ahram Al-Arabi (Egypt), October 20, 2001, as quoted in Middle East Media & Research Institute, November 16, 2001, Muslim American Leaders: A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11


8. The Times, (UK) January 7 2002, Giles Whittell, Allah Came Knocking At My Heart

9. Mcdowell, Zaka, p. 6

10. ibid. p. 6

11. ibid. p. 7

12. Middle East Media & Research Institute, November 16, 2001, Muslim American Leaders: A Wave of Conversion to Islam in the U.S. Following September 11


13. New York Times, October 22, 2001, Jodi Wilgoren, Islam Attracts Converts by the Thousands, Drawn Before and After Attacks

14. The Dallas Morning News – November 3, 2001, Susan Hogan,

19. Brother Andrew, Light Force, (Grand Rapids, Fleming H. Revell, 2004), p.140
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primitivefuture
05-19-2006, 02:21 AM
Mashallah.

Is there any statistics you can refer me too? Is Islam's rate increasing after all the negative attitude towards it by Westerners?
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syilla
05-19-2006, 02:30 AM
but there is not enough scholars...(a good scholars... not a bad scholars(munafiq/k scholars <--coz this one is a dangerous one))
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primitivefuture
05-19-2006, 02:32 AM
Originally Posted by syllvia
but there is not enough scholars...
Werent you the one who said quality>quantity ?
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BlissfullyJaded
05-19-2006, 03:14 AM
:sl:

Thats what her point is... We are increasing in number, and decreasing in the quality... Islam is not decreasing in quality, the Muslims are, by having less Allah fearing scholars. :) Although, I don't fully agree. Yes, the Ummah is in a bad state, but there are those who are working hard for a better, and inshaAllah we will get there. :)

Anyhow, jazakallah khair brother Ansar. :)
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syilla
05-19-2006, 03:17 AM
quantity of the quality...

if u have many scholars... then u will have many quality...

*okay... lets make peace... i don't want to be involve in any pointless debate

please forgive me if i've hurt your feelings
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Bittersteel
05-19-2006, 03:34 AM
I don't care about converts .Really.why should I?
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Woodrow
05-19-2006, 03:58 AM
Each of the posts in this short discussion from AMILAnet exemplify aspects of the experience of Muslims in America in relating to the on-going process of conveying the message of Islam to the citizens of the United States and Canada. The first post takes off from citations in an almanac, and then highlights some of the major reasons women, and more particularly Christian women in North America take an interest in Islam. The second post takes issue with the statistics from the Almanac, and points out how unsupported statistics may be used to spur donations from Christians. Interestingly, the second post asks why there are not more new Muslims to be seen in the local masjid. This question reflects the experience of those who attend Masjids where the majority of participants are immigrants and the children of immigrants. The experience of African American Muslims tends to be far different: there are plenty of new faces in the Masjid. The third post points out anecdotally the spread of Islam from person to person and cites statistics from other sources to support in general the first post's assertion.
- From Yasmin

========== Why are so many Women converting to Islam ? ============

Why are so many Women converting to Islam ?

According to "The Almanac Book of Facts", the population increased 137% within the past decade, Christianity increased 46%, while Islam increased 235%.

In a recent pole in the (US), 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam, Why?

It is Clear why Christians are converting.

1. Christian Scientists are declaring the Quran is from God. Visit Here for Christian and atheist Scientists who convert to Islam and why:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...-say/ch13.html

2. The Christian Bishops and Priests are admitting the Bible has tensions.

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...say/ch2.1.html

3. Jesus is a Muslim:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...ay/ch6.10.html

Perhaps they're discovering the Facts and not basing their decision on a biased media?

Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.

1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Quran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}

2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiastes 22:3}. The Qur'an says both are an Equal Blessing { Qur'an 42:49}

3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}

4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Quran does Not have Biblical double standards { Qur'an 30:21}

5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men do{Numbers 27:1-11} The Quran Abolished this male greediness {Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects All.

6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3} In The Quran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the Wife's permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One Wife {Qur'an 4:3}The Quran gives the Woman the Right to Choose who to Marry.

7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}

One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.

The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".

Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?

8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the chance of rape, (God Forbid), see statistic link below.

9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran gave Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

The list goes on and on, to hear from some of these Converts, including Nuns, and Many Famous People, visit here;

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/newmuslims/

For a more information and Statistics, visit here;

http://www.albany.edu/~ha4934/sisters.html
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cleo
05-19-2006, 04:16 AM
Islam is truth, life, and justice, peace, it never changes, that is why?
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saidaharther
05-19-2006, 07:00 AM
i agree with sister syilla because many propehts had very small or no followers but it didnt mean anything about the quality of their message
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Hijaabi22
05-19-2006, 08:35 AM
Originally Posted by primitivefuture
I hear Christians mumbling that Islam is the fastest growing due to high birth rates.

Is there any site you can refer me to that show that Islam gets the most converts? Thanks.

Salaam.
islam is mashaAllah teh FASTEST growin religion in the world ALAHMDULILLAH MASHAALLAH SUBHANNALLAH
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Muhammad
05-19-2006, 01:52 PM
:sl:

Linking to other discussions does not seem a good idea. If there any facts statistics and good links, people are welcome to share, otherwise there is no need to read about what people think.

:w:
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Ghazi
05-19-2006, 01:56 PM
Salaam

I have had the pleasure to see 7 people revert to islam recently Allahu Akbar.
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Woodrow
05-19-2006, 05:16 PM
Mashallah.

One of my biggest joys is reading forums like this and then seeing people just on the basis of learning what Islam is, to go out and seek to learn more. In the past 3 or 4 weeks I know of at least 3 people that said the Shahadah after learning about Islam from reading posts by Muslims. There are many very good Islamic forums on the internet. I am glad I found this one. A person should always be ready to learn more and the best source of knowledge is from people that live the life.
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searchingsoul
05-19-2006, 05:50 PM
I was told that more than 50% of those who revert to Islam eventually leave Islam. Does anyone know if this is true?
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Ghazi
05-19-2006, 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by searchingsoul
I was told that more than 50% of those who revert to Islam eventually leave Islam. Does anyone know if this is true?
:sl:

This is totally false, when islam first started people would be considered reverts since they were coming back to allah. now if 50% of all reverts would leave then how come were a billion strong and growing.
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Kittygyal
05-19-2006, 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by searchingsoul
I was told that more than 50% of those who revert to Islam eventually leave Islam. Does anyone know if this is true?
salam.
that is a lie caus ei haven't left islam i am a revert!!
w.salam
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Woodrow
05-19-2006, 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by searchingsoul
I was told that more than 50% of those who revert to Islam eventually leave Islam. Does anyone know if this is true?
Just speaking for myself. I am a fairly recent revert. Throughout my life I have known very many people of many denominations. I have never met a Revert who left Islam. Seems that if it was occuring at any regularity I would have come across at least one in the past 65 years.
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searchingsoul
05-19-2006, 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Just speaking for myself. I am a fairly recent revert. Throughout my life I have known very many people of many denominations. I have never met a Revert who left Islam. Seems that if it was occuring at any regularity I would have come across at least one in the past 65 years.
That's good. I was searching google for some stats but can't locate any.
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Umar001
05-19-2006, 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by islamgyal
salam.
that is a lie caus ei haven't left islam i am a revert!!
w.salam

Well hold on sis maybe ur the 50% that stay.

:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:


EDIT: I forgot to write that I know of one person who left islam but that was something to do with a wedding going wrong, sound incredible, stunning now aparently the person is going to be in the US Army.
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Kittygyal
05-19-2006, 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah
Well hold on sis maybe ur the 50% that stay.

:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
salam.
maybe god knows.
w.salam
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Umar001
05-19-2006, 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by islamgyal
salam.
maybe god knows.
w.salam
Well Insh'allah we all die muslims.

Only ex muslims i have spoke except for one is people on websites and they havent got much of a reason.

I was also told by a boy in college his dad was an ex muslim.
and my other friend said his mom was ex muslim, makes you wonder why she got married to a Christian though, how much of a muslim was she?

But I havent met the people thought I believe both of them.
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Kittygyal
05-19-2006, 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah
Well Insh'allah we all die muslims.

Only ex muslims i have spoke except for one is people on websites and they havent got much of a reason.

I was also told by a boy in college his dad was an ex muslim.
and my other friend said his mom was ex muslim, makes you wonder why she got married to a Christian though, how much of a muslim was she?

But I havent met the people thought I believe both of them.
salam.
well then again bro marrying to a christain doesn't really matter all you need to understand that no matter what background your from doesn't really matter. although an ex muslim hmmm.... well then again shows how keen they are :p
w.salam
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Umar001
05-19-2006, 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by islamgyal
salam.
well then again bro marrying to a christain doesn't really matter all you need to understand that no matter what background your from doesn't really matter. although an ex muslim hmmm.... well then again shows how keen they are :p
w.salam

Lol you've confused me.

What I mean is that the fact that a Muslim woman married a Christian man, though from what I know Islam doesnt really allow that, it shows what kinda Muslim the person was.
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Kittygyal
05-19-2006, 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah
Lol you've confused me.

What I mean is that the fact that a Muslim woman married a Christian man, though from what I know Islam doesnt really allow that, it shows what kinda Muslim the person was.
salam.
but what about if the man reverts the what???
am cofused bro!!
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Umar001
05-19-2006, 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by islamgyal
salam.
but what about if the man reverts the what???
am cofused bro!!

if the man is a muslim then he is a muslim, if he is a christian then he is a christian lol, and he didnt revert cos they all go pentacostel church and speak tongues :p

I dont think we can marry people thinking 'in a while they revert'

But if you mean if the man in the past was a Christian but now a Muslim then, he is a muslim.

Lol am I makin sense sis?
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Kittygyal
05-19-2006, 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah
if the man is a muslim then he is a muslim, if he is a christian then he is a christian lol, and he didnt revert cos they all go pentacostel church and speak tongues :p

I dont think we can marry people thinking 'in a while they revert'

But if you mean if the man in the past was a Christian but now a Muslim then, he is a muslim.

Lol am I makin sense sis?
salam.
LOlz bro your confusing me right ok i get yh LOLz
ta for the big essay LOLz :p
w.salam
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Z
05-19-2006, 06:32 PM
Salaam.

I say no. I say more people convert/revert/go back to ... whatever, yeah, to Christianity.
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Umar001
05-19-2006, 06:33 PM
Lol @ ta, so british, and imma stop cos imma get a warnin for going off topic.

but I was gonna say, how can authorities know if Islam has the most converts? I mean when I reverted I think I was mento sign some paper, but I never got round to it, is that how they check or what?
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Kittygyal
05-19-2006, 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah
Lol @ ta, so british, and imma stop cos imma get a warnin for going off topic.

but I was gonna say, how can authorities know if Islam has the most converts? I mean when I reverted I think I was mento sign some paper, but I never got round to it, is that how they check or what?
salam.
LOlz bro well to behonest i think they just find out from NET or also you didn't sighn papers how can you be a revert then:rollseyes
there are many reverts that saty to islam and don't go but some do go back as a christain cause people show bad behaviour at times i feel like going back aswell cause i find immature people who set an example that is just disgrace!! i know it's hard to stay on the right path cause seeing other people you feel weird at times but then again but praying is the best thing cause god will help us :)
w.salam
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Umar001
05-19-2006, 06:46 PM
Sis Gyal, I dont get this about people, mainly sisters, I have heard sisters say things like 'the other day I was about to leave islam' and so on and it cos people have done something.

Now if your a muslim how can you think about leaving islam because of the action of a person.

I mean I have been angry at some Muslims and so on, and yea I have in my early days disagreed with some islamic statements, G-d forgive me, but I cant leave Islaam because I know its the truth, and noone actions can change the proofs that I have seen about Islaam.


And as for people reverting and so oon to Christianity, I ave to agree I have heard in some countries they do, but I have to say, I have only heard they do cos of some disgusting tactics, like giving children books and pens and schools to come and telling the kids to go church on sunday 'come and have fun' sort of thing and before you know it, they shouting 'halleluya' instaed of 'Allahu akbar' I heard this, similar to it from a brother who jus came back from Sierra Lione I think it was and he said similar stuff is happening, families given foood and then persuaded to go church.

Like a subcontious Mutual agreement.

But then again its upto people, I havent heard of a person with proper reason for leaving islam, all I have heard online was two brothers from Turkey who were basically saying stuff along the lines of with Islam you have to becareful about the balence of the Good and bad deeds, but In Christianity all you are assured of paradise.

Seem like they jus heard the easy way and chose it.
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SirZubair
05-19-2006, 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by Muhammad
:sl:

Linking to other discussions does not seem a good idea. If there any facts statistics and good links, people are welcome to share, otherwise there is no need to read about what people think.

:w:
Like i said before,i only posted the link so that others could pick up on certain points.

But whatever.Whatever keeps you and sonz happy.
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primitivefuture
05-19-2006, 07:13 PM
So, there's no official stats that verifies this?
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