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HeiGou
Are you saying being a mother makes them more likely to be criminals? Do you think there is something going on here that does not meet the eye?
they are more often at home with the kids and a husband who does not listen. Who else are they going to kill?
Maybe I didnt convey my point clearly, wat I am tryin to say is, these women r mothers, who want to live a good life, but unfortunatly end up with abusive partners, who dont just not listen but also abuse them mentally, emotionally n physically, also molest their own kids in many cases (n some times nighbour's also), they find their voices unheard, they find themselves unprotected, even if their partners were cought, they can easily walk free in matter of months, so these poor women restore to voilence. In a country where women's rights celebrated every year, I think this shouldnt be acceptable.
In Muslim society perhaps. My sisters-in-law might beg to differ. I expect that middle class men are more likely to help out than working class ones but I do not know.
I think they equalised that in tennis now - which is unfair because women play a shorter game. No, on average women earn about 76 percent of what men do. Not necessarily for the same job. It is nearly exactly the same for women who are not married and don't have children.
If you are sure of wat u r saying, I cant argue any more here, I need to go back n check the facts.
You're kidding me? Oprah is not reliable.
Who is reliable then?
Actually being locked up 24 hours a day sounds like prison to me.
Well like i said, its not the norm, wen women r locked up all day at home, then thats by eastern standards abuse. I am speaking from my first hand experiance. majority of women do watever they want. being locked up is not socially accepted in the muslim world. we should avoide generalisation in order to be objective.
Aren't they not allowed out without a male relative?
Wrong, they can go out without male relative, my saudi freinds wen they were in college they never went home immeditly after finighsin classes, after classes finished which was like 3 p.m. they used to hang out till 7 or 8 p.m., all girls, no guys with them, dine out or shop or do watever they like, their familis didnt object, n it wasnt something unacceptable.
My other freind, she lived alone in an apartment while she was in collge, that wasnt something unheard of.
How do they get to the bank - they have drivers?
True, they have drivers coz they r not allowed to drive, but look at it from diffrent prespective, these ppl r felthy rich, they wear nothing but branded desingers clothes, they can afford as many drivers as they want. N with drivers they can go just anywhere they want to go any time they want. The driver stays in the car, n they hang out whereever they want n go back like 12 midnight. The car is just a mean of transportation. N u know wat saudi girls say, even if driving for women was to be allowed (which it will soon), thye would rather go with drivers coz thats much easier, n thats wat its like to be rich.
N for ur information, in emergencis women do drive here, like if their husbands or kids got sick n no one was there to take them to the hospital they sit in the dirving seat. Now u ask bt thats dangerouse coz they never drived before, i tell u nope wrong, they did, lots of girls here learn to drive wen they go camping or stuff like that.
Do you agree with me that if a Saudi husband wanted to he could demand his wife stayed at home 24.7?
Nope he cant, thats like I said isnt acceptable, she can protest n ask for help. Or she can file for divorce with her family' assurance that she got a home to live at.
U see a women will only accept to be a slave only if she was poor, or if there was no one to support her. Lots of women in western world stay in abusive relaitionshops coz there is no where for them to go, her father nor her brother will take her back coz she is the solo responsible of herself.
How is the fact that some women can earn a living posing in very little worse than being locked up? Those women are not forced to do it. They want to or want the money. I think that some women are happy to work as strippers - but no one is forced to.
They loose their dignity for few bucks, they make bussniss of their own flesh just to support themselves, who is the winner here n who is the loosers? The winner is the man coz he gets free flesh whereever he turns when ever he wants, he is the winner coz he dosent have to worry bout his daughters education or his sisters well being, they r "independent responsible adults as he is".
Who is the looser? the woman coz she sells herself, n she is forced to do that coz her father has abandond her n her brother dont car bout her. U think working as stripper or posing for semi nude pics makes her happy?! if u think so then u dont know wat a woman is, no woman would do that with a happy heart, she is forced to do that, forced by wat? forced by the living conditions of the western socites .
And it is not as if there is no room for smart women in the West. A woman does not have to be sexy to succeed in the West - look at Ruth Bader Ginsburg (she sits on the Supreme Court). The West allows women a wide variety of choices.
Even in the east.
Can you vote? Can you drive? Can you marry whomever you want? Can you go where you like? In what sense are you more free than women in the West?
Women can vote in every Arabic country except saudi, in fact guys cant vote either in saudi coz there is no such thing as election.
can I Drive?, like i said i dont think that defins me, as long as I can go whereever I can n wenever I want, I am fine with it.
Can I marry who I want? Of course I can.
I am free coz I got the choice to work or stay. coz my husband n my father before him supported me financially in everything, education, clothing, entertainment, vacation.
If I chose to work, I got so many options where I can work without loosing my dignity or without making myself cheap property. On top of that, watever I earn is MINE only, nither my father nor my husband can ask for my money or expect me to help him financiall (only if I chose so) so I am completly free to do watever I want with my money.
I inherit as my brother does, but he has to support his sister with that money while I dont have to, i can do watever I wish with that money.
I am not judged by my looks or my body, but only by my mind n personality. I am my own queen, no one owns me.
Well we can disagree forever, I guess each one of us got his/her own point of view in this matter, n since we r 2 diffrent persons we cant agree on everything, so I agree to disagree. N it was real pleasure to talk with u, I am impressed by ur analytical mind. Good job.