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Umm Safiya
05-28-2006, 09:22 AM
As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuh..

Why isn't it allowed to wear niqâb during hajj..? You would think it would be more recommended since so many people, men and women are mixed..

Insha Allâh someone can explain it to me, barak Allâhu fîkum..



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Mawaddah
05-28-2006, 09:27 AM
^ Well, I personally dont know exactly why, But it's probably just one of the rulings that we dont know the reason of and we just take it as how the Hadeeth comes, when Rasulullah peace be upon him said " Wa laa tantaqib al mar2ah wa laa talbis alqoffaaz " And the woman should not wear the Niqaab and she should not wear gloves.

But we know in the hadeeth of Aisha she said that whilst they were in Hajj, whenever they saw a man approaching they would pull their khimar to cover their face until he passed.......but ofcourse that's impossible in todays situation :lol:
I'm sorry Ukhti I wasn't much help :X
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afriend2
05-28-2006, 10:38 AM
salaam,

"Women must uncover their faces and hands when they enter ihraam for Hajj or ‘Umrah. At this time, they are forbidden to wear niqaab and gloves, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The woman who is in ihraam must not wear niqaab or gloves.”

If a woman needs to cover her face because men are passing close by her, or she is beautiful and is sure that men are looking at her, she should drop a part of head covering over her face, because of the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah in which she said, “Riders were passing by us, and we were in ihraam with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so when they came near, each of us would lower her jilbaab over her face, and when they went away we would uncover our faces again.”

and this is a story which my mum told me....lol

Naz's mum : a husband had gone to Hajj with his wife....and as other women had done his wife had worn the full niqaab. the husband grabbed another woman by the arm thinking it was his wife...but it wasnt her. so thats one of the reasons why you dont wear the niqaab for that prescribed time inshAllah.

but Allahu Alam about that ^^^^

wassalam :peace:
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Mawaddah
05-28-2006, 11:02 AM
^ LOL ;D ;D Nazia the sammmmmeee thing happened to me and my dad duringst Hajj season (we were just at the airport though );D ;D He walked up to this other woman and was like " Come hurry up!! we have to board the plane now!! " and he was coming up to the lady and was about to grab her hand, good thing I saw him and called out to him in time :lol:


Oh, but we shouldn't say that Niqab was forbidden for that reason Naz because we really dont know.
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afriend2
05-28-2006, 11:38 AM
salaam,

^^^ lol true say, people dont think that its true and 100% right....cos i just think it might be folks tale :)

Allahu Alam as to what the reason may be....

and lol good thing you had spotted your dad! ;D

wassalam :peace:
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moujahid
05-28-2006, 12:21 PM
^^^^^

Masha'Allah we have fatwas coming in left and right without knowledge on the proper ruling of Niqab in Hajj.
The Hadeeth does not say 'do not' wear Niqab. It translates to the cloth not touching the face of the woman. And for those who love Allah and His Shari'a have figured out a way of concealing the most beautiful part of a woman's body i.e. the face and not letting the cloth touch their face at the same time. Alhamdulillah.

Also many scholars recommend that the women should perform Hajj only once in their life time because of the fitnah that is caused because of them.

:w:
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S_87
05-28-2006, 12:32 PM
:sl:

although the niqab worn everyday isnt worn hajj time women must not wear niqab. but it dont mean dont cover the face. the women in the time of muhammed :arabic5: lowered their scarves over their faces. you can do the same today.
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Silver Pearl
05-28-2006, 01:00 PM
:wasalamex

It is not my place to pass a judgement on a matter such as this for it is beyond my understanding but i did persue a scholar's judgement on the issue and the below remark is significant.

Regarding the face covering for women some scholars said that it's permissible to cover the face if there are men based on the incident of Aisha Radiallahu Anha where she said that she used to cover her face once men passed by.
I don't believe it's permissible for women to cover their faces as the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam said: "The woman is not to put her niqab on during Ihram".
So here's a hadith from the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam Vs. an action of Aisha Radiallahu Anha and we're commanded to follow the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam.
Also, the famous story of Al Fadl Ibn Abbas Radiallahu Anhuma and the woman who asked the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam. The Prophet Sallallahualaihi Wasallam would've told her cover your face instead of turing the face of Al Fadl several times!
The reason it's not permissible to wear niqab is because the Messenger Sallualaihi wasallam said she can't wear niqab.

I hope that was useful Amira:)
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Ruenz
05-30-2006, 05:47 AM
jazakallah for the information
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Umm Safiya
06-07-2006, 08:10 AM
:sl:

Barak Allâhu fîkum.. :)
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NJUSA
06-11-2006, 02:47 AM
The extent of covering has been linked to social status for millenia. Perhaps the prohibition of niqab and "gloves" (quffaz were more like mittens), were a female version of ihram- a simple dress that eliminates markers of social status. I'm not going to argue whether it was indeed forbidden during Hajj, but if it was, perhaps it was to break down barriers of social class, much like the fact that men do not conceal themselves from public view during Hajj, regardless of their status, but when they return to normal life, no one gets to see them without intermediaries.
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Ferrari1981
06-11-2006, 10:30 AM
I have an opinion on Niqaab which I dont actually have on me right now as Im at work however... there are always reasons behind certain rules...

Women can wear a cap style veil which I saw in Umrah but again there are differences of opinion on this matter...

The Prophet (pbuh) said you cannot wear a niqaab during Hajj because Hajj is like when you will be in Paradise you will not need to cover yourself then as you will be focused mainly on Allah (swt) and you will not be looking elsewhere... i.e. opposite genders... (its in one of my hadiths ... Sahih al-Burkhari ... ill reference when i get the chance to get home)

There are ALWAYS REASONS for a rule in Islam, the prophet (pbuh) didnt make up rules as he went along... theres a reason why Hadiths were made... the prophet also said pass on my messages of islam (dawah) to others to learn and implement... [again Burkhari]

During Ihram it is recommended not to wer niqaab... in fact I dont think niqaab is even fard upon women...even though alot of Alimahs and Saudi women wear it... even Men have Hijab...!

Niqaab is not clearly mentioned in the Hadith nor Quran... it is merely the schalors decision to decide and this is also very debatable as there are too many differences of opinion... but of course theres common sense too... the Hadith mentions veils and covering yourself up yes but there is no SPECIFIC covering that is mentioned.... Hijab and Jilbab would be very ideal Niqaab is optional in a sense of sunnah not fard...

In many countries not many older women tend to wear the niqaab however younger women do due to beauty... this has occured in many arab countries also including the Western countries...

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Can I just say this is quite a topic to discuss I will not say you are right or wrong.

In my own personal opinion, women would at least wear a Hijab and maybe jilbab (or what ever loose garment). The Niqaab is also important, but it’s the modern society around us today that has changed people’s opinions on these very issues.

In Saudi its ok to wear a Niqaab as its compulsory but in the UK women have to not only have intentions but also courage and be brave on wearing it as you should know that these silly suicide bombers trying to portray Islam in a bad way and in turn back lashed into our own communities.

As a Muslim I'd be more worried about our Sisters out there alone in Niqaab as people (non-Muslims) would abuse their Niqaab as a terrorist garment then anything else. If I were to avoid this situation I would say women would not have to wear the Niqaab unless they themselves feel comfortable. The Niqaab in this country is more out standing then in Saudi.

Its not about the Government its about the modern society as a whole and the lives we live in are forever changing and if we are to live here we should not only use common sense but also intentions to do the right things at the right time.

Summary
I understand the Quran and Hadith, but there comes a point in life where you must think about the modern era. The prophet’s (pbuh) time has come and gone (even though we must follow his path) we must think about the implications it will follow and about our Brothers and Sisters too. For example, suicide bombings are totally forbidden; yet some people carry it out, this kind of scenario leads to our own Ummah getting punished for their crimes. So my only hope is that Ill pray for our Muslim Sisters, Ameen.

Ma’asalaama
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"..MariAm.."
06-11-2006, 08:52 PM
ASALAOMOALAIKUM
it is to say that ...niqab is obligatory/ compulsory for every muslim women who performz hajj and umra ...yes indeed it is not allowed in the islamic shariah that no cloth should touch the face of muslim women but the shariat never said that women are allowed to not hide their face ....if u see the women of saudia arabia performing hajj and umra u will clearly see that they hang a piece of cloth which does not touch their face. So from where i studied it is obligatory for a women to use that cloth to hide her face.
jazakullah
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Ferrari1981
06-11-2006, 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by ..MariAm..
ASALAOMOALAIKUM
It is to say that ...niqab is obligatory/ compulsory for every muslim women who performz hajj and umra ...yes indeed it is not allowed in the islamic shariah that no cloth should touch the face of muslim women but the shariat never said that women are allowed to not hide their face ....if u see the women of saudia arabia performing hajj and umra u will clearly see that they hang a piece of cloth which does not touch their face. So from where i studied it is obligatory for a women to use that cloth to hide her face.
jazakullah
Thats exactly what I meant... but is a Niqaab fard upon women!?

I mean Hijab we know is but is there any Hadith that SPECIFICALLY states niqaab as fard or merely sunnah... as Ive always read it as Sunnah... in some countries its so badly politically messed up that niqaab would be an intimidation and therefore sisters get attack... in this scenario I wouldnt recommend it... common sense!
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S_87
06-11-2006, 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by ..MariAm..
ASALAOMOALAIKUM
it is to say that ...niqab is obligatory/ compulsory for every muslim women who performz hajj and umra ...yes indeed it is not allowed in the islamic shariah that no cloth should touch the face of muslim women but the shariat never said that women are allowed to not hide their face ....if u see the women of saudia arabia performing hajj and umra u will clearly see that they hang a piece of cloth which does not touch their face. So from where i studied it is obligatory for a women to use that cloth to hide her face.
jazakullah
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the bold part.
can you explain. i remember reading with regards to this and the scholar said there is no basis and nothing in hadith saying anything with regards to this hence is just inconveniencing a person
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Far7an
06-12-2006, 02:45 PM
:sl:

The muhrimah should not uncover her face or hands in front of non-mahram men using the excuse that the niqaab and gloves are among the things that are forbidden in ihraam, because they can cover their faces and hands with anything such as their clothes, scarves, etc. Umm al-Mu’mineen ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came alongside us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces, and when they had passed by we would uncover them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Hijaab al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah.

Source
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"..MariAm.."
06-12-2006, 07:53 PM
asalamoalaikum
check out the ayat number 59 of surah al-ahzaab, ayat number 55 of surah al-ahzaab, ayat number 31 of surah al-noor....... so u will make urselv clear .... and when it comes to this that y is it not allowed for a muslim women to let a cloth touch her face .....u cant ask y ?? itz just a rule of shariah ..and secondly i m not aware of the reason ...of it .....i just learned and know and have done ....this that itz compulsory for a muslim women to cover her face by hanging a cloth over her face and when it comes to this hadith narrated by hazrat ayesha (ra) just look into the explanation it clearly sayz that yes she did hide her face when she passed by a non-mehram but she used to lower her jilbab...by lowering it, the cloth dint touched her face .....
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S_87
06-22-2006, 01:16 PM
:sl:

yes sis but is there any proof that the cloth cant touch the face? :)
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Mawaddah
06-22-2006, 04:00 PM
Actually if we look at the hadeeth saying that it's haram for women to cover the face you will see that Rasululllah used the word "Niqaab".
Niqaab in Arabic means a cloth pulled close around the face hence touching it, which is why it can be said when a man wears his Imaamah around his face that he is putting "Niqaab" across his face.
So the Ulama who say that you should cover your face whilst making Hajj with a loose piece of cloth say this because they said that Rasululllah only stated "niqaab" and didn't say "do not cover"

Allahu A'lam, this is not my position but I am saying this hoping to clear matters for insha'allah amani

:w:
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S_87
06-23-2006, 02:53 PM
:sl:

jazakAllah khair sis. so umm does that mean the cloth covering the face cant touch the face?
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Far7an
06-23-2006, 05:58 PM
:sl:

Shaykh Isam Rajab said the following:

Regarding the face covering for women some scholars said that it's permissible to cover the face if there are men based on the incident of Aisha Radiallahu Anha where she said that she used to cover her face once men passed by.
I don't believe it's permissible for women to cover their faces as the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam said: "The woman is not to put her niqab on during Ihram".
So here's a hadith from the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam Vs. an action of Aisha Radiallahu Anha and we're commanded to follow the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam.
Also, the famous story of Al Fadl Ibn Abbas Radiallahu Anhuma and the woman who asked the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam. The Prophet Sallallahualaihi Wasallam would've told her cover your face instead of turing the face of Al Fadl several times!
If this does not answer your question, you can either ask Shaykh Isam a question here (you'll need to register first). Or visit http://www.islamtoday.com
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S_87
06-24-2006, 06:46 PM
:sl:

jazakAllah khair ive asked on islamtoday and ill root out the book to make sure i read right :-\

the thing quoted. well, im not sure i agree with that logic. i see it more as
Ayesha RA understanding of what Muhammed :arabic5: said Vs the understanding above.
and we know Ayesha RA is one of the greatest muftis of this ummah and very knowledgable in deen and understanding.
because Muhammed :arabic5: didnt reprimand the women from lowering their scarves over their faces which would have happened if face covering wasnt allowed

anyhow i gues theres difference of opinion. ill post the answer inshaAllah when i get
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S_87
06-26-2006, 01:07 PM
:sl:

got my answer :D

Dear questioner,

Al-Salam `Alaykum wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakatuh.



There is no problem at all if the cover, niqab, touches the womans face.



Fatwa Department Research Committee of IslamToday chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhab al-Turayri
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Umm Safiya
06-26-2006, 01:48 PM
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Who is he? Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhab al-Turayri
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S_87
06-26-2006, 06:28 PM
:sl:

well hes from the site islamtoday.com headed by sheikh salman bin fahd al awda

i checked on islamqa it says the same thing.

and the book i was on about yh it is the book on hajj b the permanent commity of saudi arabia pls sheikh muhammed bin saleh al uthaimin..and it said the same thing
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Umm Safiya
06-26-2006, 06:34 PM
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Barak Allâhu fîki ukhti.. :)
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Silver Pearl
06-26-2006, 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by amani
:sl:

got my answer :D

Dear questioner,

Al-Salam `Alaykum wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakatuh.



There is no problem at all if the cover, niqab, touches the womans face.



Fatwa Department Research Committee of IslamToday chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhab al-Turayri
:wasalamex

Isn’t that contradictory to the hadeeth narrated about women not being allowed to wear the niqaab during ihram.

Also like the Shaykh stated, it is a matter of following what the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said and the action of Aysha (May Allah be pleased with her).


And Allah Knows best

Rabeeqh firlee
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-27-2006, 10:37 AM
Sis read Mawaddah's last post in this thread. I think that clears it up.
W'salaam
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raushan
10-22-2006, 11:33 AM
033.059
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

isnt this verse addressing wives and daughters of prophet only.

arent the wives of prophet have strict laws copare w ith other common muslim e.g.they cant marry after Prophet's death,punishment will be double than general etc.

what is the meaning of "they shouldnt be kno wn" and why the word molestation metioned here.
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raushan
10-22-2006, 11:35 AM
what I mean in the abov is the order in which the women addressed..
I ve heard the order of words too have importance.
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LUVAR
11-08-2006, 03:43 PM
very interesting
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Karimeldib
12-05-2006, 02:49 PM
women should cover their faces only when near men, and not with something that is tight. they should let their hijab cover their face or something
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12-18-2007, 11:08 AM
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*bump

Niqaab isn't allowed at the time of Hajj.

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “A man stood up and said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, what kind of clothes do you command us to wear during ihraam?’ The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Do not wear a shirt or pants or a turban or a burnous. If one of you does not have any sandals then let him wear the khuffayn (leather slippers) and cut them so that they come below the ankle. Do not wear anything that has been dyed with saffron or turmeric. Women in ihraam should not wear niqaab or gloves.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1468; Muslim, 1177).
The Prophet Peace Be Upon Him said so.

Khalaas.
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Karimeldib
12-19-2007, 09:24 AM
Yes if the Prophet peace be upon him said then it is over, but we have to look at how the companions did what he said. It is narrated that the Prophet's wives may Allah be pleased with them used to cover their faces when a group of men passed by them during hajj.
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12-19-2007, 09:27 AM
:salamext:

Yeh, they were the Prophet PBUHs wives...
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Amatullah_
09-24-2008, 05:22 PM
Assalaamu alaykum

I know this thread is quiet old but it caught my attention since Im a niqaabi and I performed my Hajj last year. So I figured I should say something on this topic.

It is clear that during the time you are in Ihraam no cloth should touch ones face, hence the ordinary niqaab isnt permitted, b/cus it touches the face. However there's this special kind of 'cap niqaab' (or whatever you wanna call it) that you can wear which conceals your face without letting the cloth touch your face. Thats what I wore b/cus Im not used to showing off my face to men and I would of been totally uncomfortable with my face all revealed and nowadays its impossible to avoid men during Hajj days, they are everywhere...too many people. And besides...I hate to say it b/cus its sad to say, but there's even fitnah during Hajj days so you have to becareful and the best precaution for someone who doesnt want men to see her face and to avoid fitnah is by wearing something like this cap thing.

However, I used to take it off when Im in a corner or somewhere no man can see me and whilst praying salah since everyone's in salah at this time and no one's looking.

Wa Allahu Alam.

Sorry for bringing this thread up again, but I just had too!:X
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S_87
09-25-2008, 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Amatullah_
Assalaamu alaykum

It is clear that during the time you are in Ihraam no cloth should touch ones face, hence the ordinary niqaab isnt permitted, b/cus it touches the face. However there's this special kind of 'cap niqaab' (or whatever you wanna call it) that you can wear which conceals your face without letting the cloth touch your face. Thats what I wore b/cus Im not used to showing off my face to men and I would of been totally uncomfortable with my face all revealed and nowadays its impossible to avoid men during Hajj days, they are everywhere...too many people. And besides...I hate to say it b/cus its sad to say, but there's even fitnah during Hajj days so you have to becareful and the best precaution for someone who doesnt want men to see her face and to avoid fitnah is by wearing something like this cap thing.


Sorry for bringing this thread up again, but I just had too!:X

theres a big dfference of opinion on this sister and no text actually saying nothing can touch a womans face, just as with gloves not being permitted, it doesnt say cloth cant touch the hands.
I saw a lot of women wearing that type of cap thing youre talking about and they had so much problems with it.
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islamirama
09-26-2008, 05:12 AM
Originally Posted by Amatullah_
Assalaamu alaykum

I know this thread is quiet old but it caught my attention since Im a niqaabi and I performed my Hajj last year. So I figured I should say something on this topic.

It is clear that during the time you are in Ihraam no cloth should touch ones face, hence the ordinary niqaab isnt permitted, b/cus it touches the face. However there's this special kind of 'cap niqaab' (or whatever you wanna call it) that you can wear which conceals your face without letting the cloth touch your face. Thats what I wore b/cus Im not used to showing off my face to men and I would of been totally uncomfortable with my face all revealed and nowadays its impossible to avoid men during Hajj days, they are everywhere...too many people. And besides...I hate to say it b/cus its sad to say, but there's even fitnah during Hajj days so you have to becareful and the best precaution for someone who doesnt want men to see her face and to avoid fitnah is by wearing something like this cap thing.

However, I used to take it off when Im in a corner or somewhere no man can see me and whilst praying salah since everyone's in salah at this time and no one's looking.

Wa Allahu Alam.

Sorry for bringing this thread up again, but I just had too!:X
:w:

I think inshallah you should do more reading on this topic sis. You can wear the niqaab during hajj. There difference here is that you can't wear a niqaab as a separate cloth covering your face, but you are allowed to cover your face with your hijab by making it a niqaab. The wives of the Prophet (saws) didn't do niqaab in the normal sense of the niqaab, but they did cover thier faces with their hijaabs when men would come near and then remove it again when they were alone.
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manaal
09-26-2008, 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by Umm Safiya
As-salâmu 'alaykum wa rahmatullâhi wa barakâtuh..

Why isn't it allowed to wear niqâb during hajj..? You would think it would be more recommended since so many people, men and women are mixed..

Insha Allâh someone can explain it to me, barak Allâhu fîkum..



:sister:
Eventhough you are not allowed to wear niqaab, you ARE allowed to cover your face from non mahram males with part of your headscarf. This is called, khimar.

so you see, covering the face is allowed, but not with a seperate piece of cloth, which is what the niqaab is.


Originally Posted by Amatullah_
Assalaamu alaykum

It is clear that during the time you are in Ihraam no cloth should touch ones face, hence the ordinary niqaab isnt permitted, b/cus it touches the face. However there's this special kind of 'cap niqaab' (or whatever you wanna call it) that you can wear which conceals your face without letting the cloth touch your face.
Was the cap thing one cloth, which covered your face and hair??
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S_87
09-26-2008, 09:49 PM
^^ No the cap thing is a separate thing. Its basically like a baseball cap peak with a niqab off that.
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Amatullah_
09-27-2008, 01:56 AM
Originally Posted by manaal
Eventhough you are not allowed to wear niqaab, you ARE allowed to cover your face from non mahram males with part of your headscarf. This is called, khimar.



so you see, covering the face is allowed, but not with a seperate piece of cloth, which is what the niqaab is.




Was the cap thing one cloth, which covered your face and hair??
I dont get it. So isnt the khimaar a seperate piece of cloth you wear on your head?? So how can you cover your face with that and not the type of niqaab I described? This 'cap niqaab' covers the face and hair. And the cloth that comes over your face doesnt even touch the face.

And yes, I did ask trustful, reliable ulemahs before I wore one.

Wa Allahu Alam.
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islamirama
09-27-2008, 08:39 PM
Amatullah_

i don't go to those sites nor those sheiksh, the issue a fatwa without providing any proof to back it up with. There are different levels of scholars just as there are different levels of doctors or any other profession. You have weak ones and you have strong ones (experts).

anyways,

Wearing niqaab is one of the things that are forbidden when in ihraam. A woman can cover her face in front of non-mahram men after entering ihraam with part of her garment, lowering it from the top of her head over her face, without committing the forbidden action of wearing niqaab.



It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man stood up and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, what clothes do you command us to wear in ihraam?” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not wear shirts, pants or any kind of headgear… and women in ihraam should not wear niqaab or gloves.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1741.



Ibn Qudaamah said:



Ibn al-Mundhir said: The fact that wearing the burqa’ (face veil – during ihraam) is makrooh is narrated from Sa’d, Ibn ‘Umar, Ibn ‘Abbaas and ‘Aa’ishah. We do not know of anyone who held a different view. Al-Bukhaari and others narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman should not wear niqaab or gloves.” But if she needs to cover her face because men are passing close by her, then she should lower part of her garment from the top of her head over her face.



This was narrated from ‘Uthmaan and ‘Aa’ishah, and this was the view of ‘Ata’, Maalik, al-Thawri, al-Shaafa’i, Ishaaq and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan, and we do not know of any opposing view. This is because of the report narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were in ihraam with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). When they drew near, one of us would lower her jilbaab from her head over her face, and when they had passed by we would uncover our faces.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1833 and by al-Athram. Al-Mughni, 3/154. The hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Risaalat Jilbaab al-Mra’ah.


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manaal
09-28-2008, 06:17 AM
Sis, Amatulla, pls find out quickly, from a more reliable source whether you have done something not permissable by wearing the cap thing.

Because if you did, you may have to pay a fidhya, which is sacrificing a sheep in makkah and distributing it to the poor around the haram. Find out and you will be better for it. Allahu Aalam.
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alcurad
09-28-2008, 06:42 AM
oh for the creator's sake...

the prophet said women should NOT wear it ,so that means it shouldn't touch your face and thus you can wear a cap with a niqaab hung from it ?
the prophet said NOT to wear it so it means it shouldn't be a separate piece of cloth ?
just how low is it going to get, just why do people try to invent ways to circumvent what the prophet ordered?
the prophet said NOT to, just what part of that is not understandable?
reading the previous posts has just shown me how much of a sad state we're in...
the niqaab is not compulsory anyway, why is that people pretend to be oh so pious while actually doing things against the prophet's orders?

yes sisters are more likely than not to encounter countless forms of oppression because of you being born a female, but why do is it some take the side of the people doing the oppressing? so many women simply gobble up all that .... their society tells them and actually believe it, not only that they become missionaries for that .... they were taught, and hence we have these kinds of bizarre unheard of things like wearing the cap-qaab and what not that simply go against the rulings of Islam.
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manaal
09-28-2008, 06:54 AM
What is this about the cloth not touching the face? How in the world do you think the Muslim women in the 6th century covered their faces without it touching their faces? There were no baseball caps at thea time.

The cloth can touch your face. I've been to the haram 3 times and i did not see a single woman wearing this baseball cap thingy. You can cover your face. What is not allowed is seperate cloth as a face cover! Grrrrrrr
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alcurad
09-28-2008, 06:58 AM
yes, I guess you didn't get what was saying, I was objecting to this cap thingy women wear during hajj and umrah-maybe it's less worn these days but I did see it being worn several times.
also, there was a post saying that it could be worn-niqaab- during ihraam just not as a separate piece of cloth, to which i also objected...
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09-28-2008, 12:30 PM
:salamext:

I think enough discussion has been done, :-\
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'Abd-al Latif
09-28-2008, 06:14 PM
When is it permissible for a woman to uncover her face?


Question:

We know that the most correct opinion among the scholars is that women should cover their faces, but there are many situations where women cannot
cover their faces. Could you shed more light on this topic?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The most correct opinion, which is supported by evidence, is that it is obligatory to cover the face, therefore young women are forbidden to uncover their faces in front of non-mahram men in order to avoid any mischief, and they should certainly do so when there is fear of fitnah (temptation).

On this basis, the fuqaha’ stated that in certain situations, women are permitted to uncover their faces in front of non-mahram men when it is necessary to do so, and it is permitted for those men to look at them, provided that this do not go beyond the bounds of what is necessary, because what is permitted on the grounds of necessity should not be exaggerated.

These special situations may be summed up as follows:

I – Proposal of marriage

It is permitted for a woman to uncover her face and hands in front of a man who wants to propose to her, so that he may see them, without being alone with her and without touching her, because the face gives an indication of ugliness or beauty, and the hands give an indication of whether the body is slender or plump (which in turn gives an impression about fertility).

Abu’l-Faraj al-Maqdisi said: “The scholars do not differ as to the permissibility of looking at the face… the focal point of beauty, the place one looks at…”

Many ahaadeeth indicate that it is permissible for a man to look at the woman to whom he is proposing marriage. Among them are the following:

Sahl ibn Sa’d (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “A woman came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, I came to give myself to you in marriage.’ So the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) looked at her, he raised his gaze and stared at her, then he lowered his head. When the woman saw that he had not made any decision, she sat down. Then a man from among his Companions stood up and said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, if you don’t want to marry her, then marry her to me.’ …” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 7/19; Muslim, 4/143; al-Nisaa’i bi Sharh al-Suyooti, 6/113; al-Bayhaqi, 7/84).

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I was with the Prophet , and a man came to him and told him that he had married a woman of the Ansaar. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Have you looked at her?’ He said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘Go and look at her, for there is something in the eyes of the Ansaar.’” (Reported by Ahmad, 2/286, 299; Muslim, 4/142; al-Nisaa’i, 2/73).

Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you proposes marriage to a woman, if he can look at that which will encourage him to go ahead and marry her, let him do so.” (Reported by Abu Dawood and al-Haakim. Its isnaad is hasan, and there is corroborating evidence in the hadeeth of Muhammad ibn Muslimah. It was classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan and al-Haakim. It was also reported by Ahmad and Ibn Maajah, and by Ahmad and al-Bazzaar from the hadeeth of Abu Humayd. Fath al-Baari, 9/181).

Al-Zayla’i said: “It is not permissible for him to touch her face or hands – even if he feels that no desire will be aroused by doing so – because it is haraam and there is no need to do so.” In Durar al-Bihaar it says: “It is not permissible for the qaadi, the witnesses or the groom to touch her, even if they feel that no desire will be aroused by doing so, because there is no need for that.” (Radd al-Muhtaar ‘ala’l-Durr al-Mukhtaar, 5/237).

Ibn Qudaamah said: “It is not permitted for him to be alone with her because she is still forbidden for him, and only a look is permitted, therefore being alone with her remains haraam, because there is no guarantee that he will not do something haraam if he is alone with her. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No man is alone with a [non-mahram] woman but the Shaytaan is the third one present with them.” He should not look at her in a lustful or suspicious manner. Ahmad said, according to a report narrated by Saalih: “He should look at the face, and he should not look in a lustful manner.”

The man may look at her repeatedly, checking her features, because the desired aim cannot be achieved in any other way.”

II – Business dealings

It is permitted for a woman to uncover her face and hands when buying or selling, and it is permitted for the vendor to see her face when he hands over the goods and asks for the money, provided that this will not lead to fitnah – otherwise it is forbidden.

Ibn Qudaamah said: “If a person deals with a woman when selling or renting, he may look at her face so he knows who she is, and may go back to her when the money is due (a guarantee of the price when the deal is finalized). It was reported that Ahmad said this was makrooh in the case of a young woman, but not in the case of an old woman, and in the case where there is fear of fitnah, or where there is no need for this business deal. But in cases where it is necessary, and there is no wrongful desire, then there is no harm in it.” (al-Mughni, 7/459; al-Sharh al-Kabeer ‘ala Matan al-Muqni’, 7/348 bi Haamish al-Mughni; al-Hidaayah ma’a Takmilat Fath al-Qadeer, 10/24).

Al-Dasooqi said: “ When testimony is given concerning a woman who wears niqaab (face-veil), she has to remove her niqaab. This applies in the case of marriage and other matters, such as selling, giving gifts, debts, power of attorney, and so on. This is the opinion favoured by our shaykh.” (Haashiyat al-Dasooqi ‘ala’l-Sharh al-Kabeer, 4/194).

III – Medical treatment

A woman is permitted to uncover the site of her illness whether it is on her face or elsewhere on her body, for a male doctor to treat her, on the condition that her husband or mahram is present, and if she cannot find a female doctor. It is less serious for her to be seen by a doctor of the same sex, and she should not be seen by a non-Muslim doctor if a Muslim doctor is available. Also, she should not uncover more than the site of the problem.

It is not permissible for the doctor to look at or touch more than is necessary, because the issue is one of necessity and should not be exaggerated.

Ibn Qudaamah said: “it is permissible for the doctor to look at whatever is necessary of her body, of her private parts and elsewhere, because there is a need for it to be uncovered.

It was reported that a boy who had stolen something was brought to ‘Uthmaan. He said, ‘Look at his groin (to see if he had pubic hair, which would indicate whether he had reached the age of puberty [and would therefore be considered to be a responsible adult] or not).’ They did not find any pubic hair, so they did not cut off his hand.” (Al-Mughni, 7/459; Ghidha’ al-Albaab, 1/97).

Ibn ‘Aabideen said: “He said in al-Jawharah: if the illness is in any part of her body apart from her private part, it is permitted (for the doctor) to look at it in order to treat it, because it is the matter of necessity. If the sickness is in her private part, he (the doctor) should teach a woman how to treat it. If there is nobody who can do that, and they fear that she may die or suffer unbearably, then they should cover all of her body except the site of the sickness, then a man may treat her, but he should avoid looking at her as much as he can, and look only at the site of the sickness that he is treating.” (Radd al-Muhtaar, 5/237. See also, al-Hidaayah al-‘Alaa’iyah, p. 245).

A similar ruling applies to one who is taking care of a sick person, even if it is someone of the opposite sex, when helping the patient with wudoo’ or istinja’ (washing the private parts after using the toilet). (See Ghidha’ al-Albaab, 1/97).

Muhammad Fu’aad said: “What indicates that it is permissible for a man to treat a woman – within the restrictions mentioned above – is the report narrated by Imaam al-Bukhaari with his isnaad from al-Rabee’ bint Mu’awwadh, who said: “We used to go out on military campaigns with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). We would bring water to the people and serve them, and bring the dead and wounded back to Madeenah.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 6/80, 10/136. Fath al-Baari. A similar report was narrated from Anas by Muslim, 5/196; Abu Dawood, 7/205 ma’a ‘Awn al-Ma’bood; and al-Tirmidhi, 5/301-302, who said this is hasan saheeh)

Al-Bukhaari included this hadeeth under the chapter heading Baab hal yudaawi’l-rajul ul-mar’ah wa’l-mar’at ul-rajul? (Chapter: can a man treat a woman or a woman a man?). (Fath al-Baari, 10/136).

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said: “The ruling that a man may treat a woman was derived from this by analogy; he (al-Bukhaari) did not confirm that, because it is possible that this referred to the time before hijaab was made obligatory, or that women used to take care of their husbands or mahrams on military campaigns. The ruling is that it is permissible for women to treat non-mahram men in cases of necessity, with as little looking and touching as possible.” (Fath al-Baari, 10/136)

IV – Testimony

It is permissible for a woman to uncover her face when she is giving testimony in court, whether she is a witness in a case or is there to witness a deal, and it is permissible for the qaadi (judge) to look at her in order to know who she is and to protect the rights of all concerned.

Shaykh al-Dardeer said: “It is not permitted to give testimony against a woman in niqaab until she uncovers her face so that it may be known who she is and what she looks like.” (Al-Sharh al-Kabeer li’l- Shaykh al-Dardeer, 4/194)

Ibn Qudaamah said: “The witness may look at the face of the woman against whom he is testifying so that his testimony will speak about her in specific terms. Ahmad said: ‘He cannot testify against a woman unless he knows who she is.’” (Al-Mughni, 7/459; al-Sharh al-Kabeer ‘ala Matan al-Muqni’, 7/348, bi haamish al-Mughni; al-Hidaayah ma’a Takmilat Fath al-Qadeer, 10/26).

V – In court cases

It is permissible for a woman to uncover her face in front of a qaadi (judge) who is to rule either in her favour or against her, and in this situation he may look at her face in order to know who she is and for the sake of protecting people’s rights.

The same rules that apply to giving testimony or bearing witness also apply in court cases, because they serve the same purpose. (See Al-Durar al-Mukhtaar, 5/237; Al-Hadiyah al-‘Alaa’iyah, p. 244; Al-Hadiyah ma’a Takmilat Fath al-Qadeer, 10/26).

VI – In front of mature boys who feel no physical desire

It is permissible – according to one of the two reports – for a woman to show in front of a mature boy who feels no physical desire what she shows in front of her mahrams, because he has no interest in women, and it is permissible for him to see all that.

Shaykh Abu’l-Faraj al-Maqdisi said: “The mature boy who feels no physical desire may see parts of a woman’s body above the navel and below the knee, according to one of the two reports, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings): ‘… there is no sin on you or on them to move about, - attending (helping) you each other…’ [al-Noor 24:58] and ‘And when the children among you come to puberty, then let them (also) ask for permission, as those senior to them (in age)…’ [al-Noor 24:59]. This indicates that there is a differentiation between those who have reached puberty and those who have not.”

Abu ‘Abd-Allaah said: “Abu Tayyibah did cupping for the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he was a boy.”

It was also reported that he said: “He is like the ajnabi (stranger, i.e., non-mahram), because he is like one who has reached puberty in the matter of physical desires, and this means that hijaab is required and it is forbidden to look. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… small children who have no sense of the shame of sex…’ [al-Noor 24:31]. As for small boys who are not mature, it is not necessary to cover in front of them at all.” (Al-Sharh al-Kabeer ‘ala Matan al-Muqni’, 7/349. See also Al-Mughni, 7/458 and Ghada’ al-Albaab, 1/97).

VII – The man who has no desire

It is permissible for a woman to show in front of a man who has no desire what she can show in front of her mahrams, because he has no interest in women, and he is allowed to see all of that. Ibn Qudaamah said: “Whoever no longer feels any desire, because of old age, impotence or incurable illness, or because he is a eunuch, … or a mukhannath (the effeminate man or a man who has female hormones) who feels no desire, the ruling that applies to such a man is the same as the ruling that applies to mahrams regarding looking at women, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… or old male servants who lack vigour…’ [al-Noor 24:31], i.e., those who feel no desire for women.” Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “This is the one of whom women do not feel shy.” He also said: “This is the mukhannath who is impotent (i.e., cannot have an erection).”

It was reported that Mujaahid and Qutaadah said: “This is the one who has no interest in women, but if he is a mukhannath who feels desire and knows about women, then the rules that apply to others apply also to him, because ‘Aa’ishah said: ‘A mukhannath entered upon the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and they used to think that he was a man who felt no physical desires, but the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon us when this man was describing a woman and saying ‘When she comes in, she comes on four, and when she goes out, she goes on eight.’ The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Do I not see that this man knows who is here? This one should never enter upon you.’ And he was kept away after that.” (Reported by Abu Dawood and others).

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said: “The mukhannath is not only the one who is known to be promiscuous. The mukhannath is the one who looks so much like a woman physically that he resembles women in his softness, speech, appearance, accent and thinking. If he is like this, he would have no desire for women and he would not notice anything about them. This is one of those who have no interest in women who were permitted to enter upon women. Do you not see that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not prevent that mukhannath from entering upon his wives at first, but when he heard him describing the daughter of Ghaylaan and realized that he knew about women, he commanded that he should be kept away.” (Al-Mughni, 7/463; al-Sharh al-Kabeer ‘ala Matan al-Muqni’, 7/347-348).

IX – Old women who are past marriageable age

Old women who are past marriageable age may uncover their faces and what usually appears in front of non-mahram men, but it is still better for them to remain covered.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And as for women past child-bearing who do not expect wedlock, it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment. But to refrain (i.e., not to discard their outer clothing) is better for them…” [al-Noor 24:60]. Ibn Qudaamah said: “In the case of old women who are past marriageable age, there is nothing wrong if they show what ordinarily appears, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning), ‘And as for women past child-bearing who do not expect wedlock…’ [al-Noor 24:60].” Ibn ‘Abbaas said concerning the aayahs (interpretation of the meanings), “Tell the believing men to lower their gaze…” [al-Noor 24:30] and “Tell the believing women to lower their gaze…” [al-Noor 24:31]: “Old women who no longer expect to get married were exempted from this. The same exemption also applied to women who are deformed and are not desirable.” (Al-Mughni, 7/463; al-Sharh al-Kabeer ‘ala Matan al-Muqni’, 7/347-348).

X – Uncovering the face in front of kaafir women

The scholars have differed concerning how a Muslim woman should appear in front of kaafir women.

Ibn Qudaamah said: “The ruling concerning women dealing with women is the same as that concerning men dealing with men. There is no difference between Muslims, and no difference between a Muslim woman and a dhimmi (non-Muslim living under Muslim rule) woman, just as there is no difference between two Muslim men or between a Muslim man and a dhimmi man when it comes to seeing. Ahmad said: ‘Some people think that she should not take off her head covering in front of a Jewish or Christian woman. However, I think that she (a Jewish or Christian woman) should not see the private part (of a Muslim woman), or attend her when she gives birth (i.e., she should not be her midwife, because she will look at the most private part of her body when she gives birth – except in cases of necessity, as discussed above).’”

Another opinion was reported from Ahmad, according to which a Muslim woman should not remove her niqaab in front of a dhimmi woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… or their women …” [al-Noor 24:31]. But the first opinion is more correct, because kaafir women, Jewish and others, used to enter upon the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and they did not wear hijaab in front of them nor were they commanded to do so. ‘Aa’ishah said that a Jewish woman used to come and talk to her, saying “May Allaah save you from the punishment of the grave,” and she [‘Aa’ishah] asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)… Asma’ said, “My mother came to me, and she had no desire to become Muslim. I asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), ‘Should I uphold the ties of kinship with her?’ and he said, ‘Yes.’”

Moreover, hijaab between men and women serves a purpose that is not an issue in the case of a Muslim woman and a dhimmi woman, just as it is not an issue in the case of a Muslim man and a dhimmi man. Hijaab is obligatory when there is a text stating that it is so or the obligation may be understood by analogy; in the case of a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim woman, there is neither text nor analogy.

The aayah “… or their women …” [al-Noor 24:31] could refer to all women. (Al-Mughni, 7/464; al-Sharh al-Kabeer ‘ala Matan al-Muqni’, 7/351 bi haamish al-Mughni).

Ibn al-‘Arabi al-Maaliki said: “The correct view, in my opinion, is that this permissible in the case of all women, and that it appears with the pronoun ( -hinna = their) to match the rest of the aayah. This is the aayah of pronouns, where the pronoun -hinna appears twenty-five times; there is nothing else like it in the Qur’aan. So this word matches the others.” (Ahkaam al-Qur’aan, 3/326).

Al-Aloosi said: “Al-Fakhr al-Raazi suggested that the dhimmi woman is like the Muslim woman, and he said: “The correct opinion is that she (the dhimmi woman) is like the Muslim woman, and ‘their women’ means all women. The opinion of the salaf (early generations of Islam) should be understood on the basis that (covering in front of non-Muslim women) is preferable, but it is not obligatory.” Then he said: “This view is easier for people today, for Muslim woman can hardly observe hijaab in front of dhimmi women.” (Tafseer al-Aloosi, 19/143).

Muhammad Fu’aad said: “If this opinion was easier in their time, then no doubt it is more appropriate and easier in our own time, especially for those women who, because of circumstances beyond their control, find that they have to live in non-Muslim countries, where they mix with non-Muslim women and their lives are interwoven with theirs, to the extent that observing hijaab in front of them is fraught with difficulties. Truly, to Allaah we belong, and truly, to Him we shall return.”

XI – Hajj and ‘Umrah

Women must uncover their faces and hands when they enter ihraam for Hajj or ‘Umrah. At this time, they are forbidden to wear niqaab and gloves, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The woman who is in ihraam must not wear niqaab or gloves.”

If a woman needs to cover her face because men are passing close by her, or she is beautiful and is sure that men are looking at her, she should drop a part of head covering over her face, because of the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah in which she said, “Riders were passing by us, and we were in ihraam with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so when they came near, each of us would lower her jilbaab over her face, and when they went away we would uncover our faces again.”

Al-Juzayri said, reporting from them: “A woman may cover her face for a necessary reason, such as non-mahram men passing close by her, and the fact that (the cloth) will touch her face does not matter. This is to make it easy and alleviate hardship.” (Al-Fiqh ‘ala’l-Madhaahib al-Arba’ah, 1/645).

These are situations in which it is acceptable for a woman to uncover her face and hands, explained in detail by the fuqaha’ and scholars. But there is one other situation which deserves our attention, and that is when a Muslim woman is forced to uncover her face – what is the ruling in this case?

XII – Compulsion

Some oppressive regimes have instituted harsh laws which go against the religion of Islam and rebel against Allaah and His Messenger. These laws prevent Muslim women from wearing proper hijaab, and some of them even remove their niqaab by force and subject them to the worst type of oppression and persecution.

Women who wear niqaab have been subjected to harassment in certain European countries, where they have been subjected to harm, and Islam and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have been slandered.

Therefore, when a woman is certain that she is likely to be subjected to unbearable harassment, she is permitted to uncover her face. It is better to follow a scholarly opinion which is less correct than to expose herself to trouble at the hands of evil men.

If a woman is permitted to uncover her face and hands in the situations described above, which do not involve force or harassment, then surely it is more likely that she is permitted to uncover them when she is faced with a threat to herself and her religion, especially when her niqaab may expose her to tormentors who may pull the hijaab from her head or subject her to worse abuse. In cases of necessity, things that are ordinarily forbidden are permitted, within the limits of what is strictly necessary, as the scholars have stated, but this should not lead one to take the matter of covering the face lightly. Each woman must evaluate the situation in which she is living and learn from her own experience and that of others, so that she will be sure of what is a case of real necessity, as opposed to her own whims and weaknesses.

Although women are permitted to uncover their faces and hands in the exceptional situations described above, they are not permitted to wear make-up and visible jewellery if they do so. It is forbidden for them to display these things in front of non-mahram men, according to all the fuqaha’, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… and not to show off their adornment…” [al-Noor 24:31], and because there is no need to do so. (Hijaab al-Muslimah bayna Intihaal wa Ta’weel al-Jaahileen, p. 239).

We ask Allaah to reform the Muslims. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Hijaab al-Muslimah bayna Intihaal wa Ta’weel al-Jaahileen, p. 239


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