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Goku
06-12-2006, 05:40 PM
http://turntoislam.com/index.php?opt...=223&Itemid=27
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786rani
06-12-2006, 05:44 PM
i was sooo shoked:rollseyes
subhanallah may allah guide more like them to the right path.
rani
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Arwa
06-12-2006, 05:46 PM
:sl:

aww, I saw this one on the T.V. Masha'Allah it's so great! The way they imitate the adhan is very cute! :) Allah guides whom He wills! :)
May Allah strenghten their iman and keep them steadfast on the deen. :)
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Pk_#2
06-12-2006, 05:49 PM
I swear someone else posted this already
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ummAbdillah
06-12-2006, 05:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by tasmiyah_B
I swear someone else posted this already
yeah,
thanks for sharing anyway :)
walaykum salaam
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Pk_#2
06-12-2006, 06:18 PM
Yeah jazakhala :)
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Bin Qasim
06-12-2006, 08:06 PM
Assalaamu Alaikum

no offense but what do 9 yrs old understand abt religion anyway... :heated:

I never cared abt such things when I was 9... it makes me feel retarded... :rollseyes

anyways, may Allah guide us all to the right path... :)

Wa Alaikum Assalaam
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afriend
06-12-2006, 08:11 PM
:sl:

Subhanallah....

But I have my doubts too......WHY ON EARTH WOULD A 9 YEAR OLD WANT TO REVERT???

probably duzn't even know the meaning of the word 'Islam'...

I have seen in my area that people become Muslims just because it looks cool, and there are a lot of powerful Muslim gangs around here.....

And these guys are 16-20. If you catch my drift?
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Arwa
06-12-2006, 08:24 PM
wa alaikum assalam

Did you not see that program? Those kids no more than Muslim born kids. Which 9 year old knows that Allah is made of Light? Which 9 year old knows women have to cover?
Is that why that girl was so upset she couldn't go the Masjid? She said it herself she doesn't know why she thinks like that but she feels that what she is doing is right!
Watch it all, it's amazing.
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amirah_87
06-12-2006, 09:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by tasmiyah_B
I swear someone else posted this already

FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT,SO FOR SLOW PPL LIKE ME REPETITION IS GOOD!!..........;D

THAT WAS CUTE MAA'SHALLAH..MAY ALLAH KEEP THEM FIRM!!...
I WONDER IF THEY HAVE ANYBODY TO SUPPORT THEM??
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Ansar Al-'Adl
06-12-2006, 09:11 PM
The fallacy is in thinking of the light in our created universe.
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Arwa
06-12-2006, 09:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by catmando
So your god Allah is made of light? Is that what the Qu'ran says? How did Mohammed come up with this explanation of the Muslim god?

Can you give me a description of your light-god? Is it made of sunlight, galactic light, neutron starlight or some other type of light?

This is interesting because the Christians say their god is not made of anything; he(she, it) is immaterial.
24:35 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His light is, as it were, that of a niche containing a lamp; the lamp is [enclosed] in glass, the glass [shining] like a radiant star: [a lamp] lit from a blessed tree - an olive-tree that is neither of the east nor of the west the oil whereof [is so bright that it] would well-nigh give light [of itself] even though fire had not touched it: light upon light! God guides unto His light him that wills [to be guided]; and [to this end] God propounds parables unto men, since God [alone] has full knowledge of all things.

How's that for you eh? :)
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sonz
06-12-2006, 09:18 PM
salama

allah azwajjal is not made of noor astagfirulah. angels are made of light.

its a metaphor

chk tafsir ibn kathir

Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas said:


﴿اللَّهُ نُورُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ﴾


(Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.) means, the Guide of the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth. Ibn Jurayj said: "Mujahid and Ibn `Abbas said concerning the Ayah:


﴿اللَّهُ نُورُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ﴾


(Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.) He is controlling their affairs and their stars and sun and moon.'' As-Suddi said concerning the Ayah:


﴿اللَّهُ نُورُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ﴾


(Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.) by His Light the heavens and earth are illuminated. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "When the Messenger of Allah got up to pray at night, he would say:


«اللَّهُمَّ لَكَ الْحَمْدُ، أَنْتَ قَيِّمُ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَنْ فِيهِنَّ، وَلَكَ الْحَمْدُ أَنْتَ نُورُ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَنْ فِيهِنَّ»


(O Allah, to You be praise, You are the Sustainer of heaven and earth and whoever is in them. To You be praise, You are the Light of the heavens and the earth and whoever is in them. ) It was narrated that Ibn Mas`ud said, "There is no night or day with your Lord; the Light of the Throne comes from the Light of His Face.''


﴿مَثَلُ نُورِهِ﴾


(The parable of His Light) There are two views concerning the meaning of the pronoun (His). The first is that it refers to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, meaning that the parable of His guidance in the heart of the believer is


﴿كَمِشْكَاةٍ﴾


(as a niche) This was the view of Ibn `Abbas. The second view is that the pronoun refers to the believer, which is indicated by the context of the words and implies that the parable of the light in the heart of the believer is as a niche. So the heart of the believer and what he is naturally inclined to of guidance and what he learns of the Qur'an which is in accordance with his natural inclinations are, as Allah says:


﴿أَفَمَن كَانَ عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّهِ وَيَتْلُوهُ شَاهِدٌ مِّنْهُ﴾


(Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recites it (can they be equal with the disbelievers)) ﴿11:17﴾. The heart of the believer in its purity and clarity is likened to a lamp in transparent and jewel-like glass, and the Qur'an and Shari`ah by which it is guided are likened to good, pure, shining oil in which there is no impurity or deviation.


﴿كَمِشْكَاةٍ﴾


(as (if there were) a niche) Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Muhammad bin Ka`b and others said, "This refers to the position of the wick in the lamp.'' This is well-known, and hence Allah then says:


﴿فِيهَا مِصْبَاحٌ﴾


(and within it a lamp.) This is the flame that burns brightly. Or it was said that the niche is a niche in the house. This is the parable given by Allah of obedience towards Him. Allah calls obedience to Him as light, then He calls it by other numerous names as well. Ubayy bin Ka`b said, "The lamp is the light, and this refers to the Qur'an and the faith that is in his heart.'' As-Suddi said, "It is the lamp.''


﴿الْمِصْبَاحُ فِى زُجَاجَةٍ﴾


(the lamp is in a glass,) means, this light is shining in a clear glass. Ubayy bin Ka`b and others said, "This is the likeness of the heart of the believer.''


﴿الزُّجَاجَةُ كَأَنَّهَا كَوْكَبٌ دُرِّىٌّ﴾


(the glass as it were a star Durriyyun,) Some authorities recite the word Durriyyun with a Dammah on the Dal and without a Hamzah, which means pearls, i.e., as if it were a star made of pearls (Durr). Others recite it as Dirri'un or Durri'un, with a Kasrah on the Dal, or Dammah on the Dal, and with a Hamzah at the end, which means reflection (Dir'), because if something is shone on the star it becomes brighter than at any other time. The Arabs call the stars they do not know Darari. Ubayy bin Ka`b said: a shining star. Qatadah said: "Huge, bright and clear.''


﴿يُوقَدُ مِن شَجَرَةٍ مُّبَـرَكَةٍ﴾


(lit from a blessed tree,) means, it is derived from olive oil, from a blessed tree.


﴿زَيْتُونَةٍ﴾


(an olive,) This refers to the blessed tree mentioned previously.


﴿لاَّ شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلاَ غَرْبِيَّةٍ﴾


(neither of the east nor of the west,) means, it is not in the eastern part of the land so that it does not get any sun in the first part of the day, nor is it in the western part of the land so that it is shaded from the sun before sunset, but it is in a central position where it gets sun from the beginning of the day until the end, so its oil is good and pure and shining. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas commented on:


﴿زَيْتُونَةٍ لاَّ شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلاَ غَرْبِيَّةٍ﴾


(an olive, neither of the east nor of the west,) "This is a tree in the desert which is not shaded by any other tree or mountain or cave, nothing covers it, and this is best for its oil.'' Mujahid commented on:


﴿لاَّ شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلاَ غَرْبِيَّةٍ﴾


(neither of the east nor of the west, ) saying; "It is not in the east where it will get no sun when the sun sets, nor is it in the west where it will get no sun when the sun rises, but it is in a position where it will get sun both at sunrise and sunset.'' Sa`id bin Jubayr commented:


﴿زَيْتُونَةٍ لاَّ شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلاَ غَرْبِيَّةٍ يَكَادُ زَيْتُهَا يُضِىءُ﴾


(an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself)) "This is the best kind of oil. When the sun rises it reaches the tree from the east and when it sets it reaches it from the west, so the sun reaches it morning and evening, so it is not counted as being in the east or in the west.''


﴿يَكَادُ زَيْتُهَا يُضِىءُ وَلَوْ لَمْ تَمْسَسْهُ نَارٌ﴾


(whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself), though no fire touched it.) `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said (this means) because the oil itself is shining.


﴿نُّورٌ عَلَى نُورٍ﴾


(Light upon Light!) Al-`Awfi narrated from Ibn `Abbas that this meant the faith and deeds of a person. As-Suddi said:


﴿نُّورٌ عَلَى نُورٍ﴾


(Light upon Light!) "Light of the fire and the light of the oil: when they are combined they give light, and neither of them can give light without the other. Similarly the light of the Qur'an and the light of faith give light when they are combined, and neither can do so without the other.''


﴿يَهْدِى اللَّهُ لِنُورِهِ مَن يَشَآءُ﴾


(Allah guides to His Light whom He wills.) means, Allah shows the way to the ones whom He chooses, as it says in the Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad from `Abdullah bin `Amr, who said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah say:


«إِنَّ اللهَ تَعَالَى خَلَقَ خَلْقَهُ فِي ظُلْمَةٍ ثُمَّ أَلْقَى عَلَيْهِمْ مِنْ نُورِهِ يَوْمَئِذٍ، فَمَنْ أَصَابَ مِنْ نُورِهِ يَوْمَئِذٍ اهْتَدَى وَمَنْ أَخْطَأَ ضَلَّ فَلِذَلِكَ أَقُولُ: جَفَّ الْقَلَمُ عَلَى عِلْمِ اللهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ»


(Allah created His creation in darkness, then on the same day He sent His Light upon them. Whoever was touched by His Light on that day will be guided and whoever was missed will be led astray. Hence I say: the pens have dried in accordance with the knowledge of Allah, may He be glorified.)''


﴿وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الاٌّمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلَيِمٌ﴾


(And Allah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allah is All-Knower of everything.) Having mentioned this parable of the Light of His guidance in the heart of the believer, Allah ends this Ayah with the words:


﴿وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الاٌّمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلَيِمٌ﴾


(And Allah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allah is All-Knower of everything.) meaning, He knows best who deserves to be guided and who deserves to be led astray. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "The Messenger of Allah said:


«الْقُلُوبُ أَرْبَعَةٌ: قَلْبٌ أَجْرَدُ فِيهِ مِثْلُ السِّرَاجِ يُزْهِرُ، وَقَلْبٌ أَغْلَفُ مَرْبُوطٌ عَلَى غِلَافِهِ، وَقَلْبٌ مَنْكُوسٌ، وَقَلْبٌ مُصْفَحٌ. فَأَمَّا الْقَلْبُ الْأَجْرَدُ: فَقَلْبُ الْمُؤْمِنِ سِرَاجُهُ فِيهِ نُورُهُ، وَأَمَّا الْقَلْبُ الْأَغْلَفُ فَقَلْبُ الْكَافِرِ، وَأَمَّا الْقَلْبُ الْمَنْكُوسُ فَقَلْبُ الْمُنَافِقِ، عَرَفَ ثُمَّ أَنْكَرَ، وَأَمَّا الْقَلْبُ الْمُصْفَحُ فَقَلْبٌ فِيهِ إِيمَانٌ وَنِفَاقٌ، وَمَثَلُ الْإِيمَانِ فِيهِ كَمَثَلِ الْبَقْلَةِ يُمِدُّهَا الْمَاءُ الطَّيِّبُ،وَمَثَلُ النِّفَاقِ فِيهِ كَمَثَلِ الْقَرْحَةِ يُمِدُّهَا الدَّمُ وَالْقَيْحُ، فَأَيُّ الْمدَّتَيْنِ غَلَبَتْ عَلَى الْأُخْرَى غَلَبَتْ عَلَيْهِ»


(Hearts are of four kinds: the heart that is clear like a shining lamp; the heart that is covered and tied up; the heart that is upside-down; and the heart that is clad in armor. As for the clear heart, it is the heart of the believer in which is a lamp filled with light; as for the covered heart, this is the heart of the disbeliever; as for the upside-down heart, this is the heart of the hypocrite, who recognizes then denies; as for the armor-clad heart, this is the heart in which there is both faith and hypocrisy. The parable of the faith in it is that of legume, a sprout that is irrigated with good water, and the likeness of the hypocrisy in it is that of sores that are fed by blood and pus. Whichever of the two prevails is the characteristic that will dominate.) Its chain of narrators is good (Jayyid) although they (Al-Bukhari and Muslim) did not record it.

masalama
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sonz
06-12-2006, 09:24 PM
salama

she is so young but she made mistakes lol

she said "our mosque is wahhabi mosque and that mosque is a sunni mosque" doesnt she know that they both the same lol.

masalama
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Arwa
06-12-2006, 09:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sonz
salama

she is so young but she made mistakes lol

she said "our mosque is wahhabi mosque and that mosque is a sunni mosque" doesnt she know that they both the same lol.

masalama
wa alaikum assalam

haha she probably doesb't even know what a 'wahabi or a 'sunni' is. She has just probably been told? lol
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sonz
06-12-2006, 09:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Arwa
wa alaikum assalam

haha she probably doesb't even know what a 'wahabi or a 'sunni' is. She has just probably been told? lol
lol yes

thats what i thought too lol

masalama
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Pk_#2
06-12-2006, 10:17 PM
Bless the best part woz when she said her so called 'mates' call her goree pakoree I can clearly hear them and visualise em saying it! Tis funny...but sad :)
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catmando
06-13-2006, 12:04 AM
Sonz,

Thanks for the explanation of the light metaphor. All religions have this feature because it is impossible to explain a creator-god in human language. Nothing about invisible gods can be known.
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cyberpi
06-13-2006, 02:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by catmando
Sonz,

Thanks for the explanation of the light metaphor. All religions have this feature because it is impossible to explain a creator-god in human language. Nothing about invisible gods can be known.
Impossible? Invisible gods? So what can be known about your invisible soul and spirit? Your neighbors soul and spirit? Your families soul and spirit? Nothing? Do you not learn about them through what is visible? Is there truly nothing visible in this world touched by God?
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