Saudis Snub Beer-sponsored Player Award

[sonz]

MUNICH — Saudi soccer players will not accept World Cup man-of-the-match awards for religious reasons, said the Saudi Football Federation on Wednesday, June 14.

"The main reason is because the sponsoring company specializes in alcohol, and the award itself is a cup of beer," said Abdullah al-Dabel, a federation official, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).

The Technical Study Group of world soccer's governing body FIFA names the match's best player, an award backed by US beer company Anheuser Bush Bud, one of the official sponsors of the tournament.

"We won't accept this award for religious reasons. No Muslim player should accept it," said the Saudi official.

Saudi Arabia, three-time Asian champions playing in Group H, drew 2-2 Wednesday with Tunisia in their opener.

Tunisia's Ziad Jaziri was named Man of the Match after he scored his team's first goal and setting the second in the injury time.

It was not immediately clear if the Saudi announcement, which was made before the match, had influence the decision.

Alcohol from mini bars and the nude photos in the fitness area have been removed and porn TV channels turned off in the hotel hosting the Saudi soccer team.

Islam prohibits alcohol and all kinds of intoxicants.

Disappointed

Wednesday's draw has disappointed many Saudi fans, who wished to win their opener before playing with other group members Ukraine and Spain.

"Now we have to take the long and more risky way along the tournament," Bandar Abu Ras, 27-year-old Saudi art director, told the Saudi English-daily Arab News.

Abu Ras, who was wearing a green T-Shirt of the national team, said the Saudi footballers started the match in a nervous attitude, but they got more relaxed by the second half of the match.

Yasmin Mahri, a 23-year-old public relations coordinator, was also disappointed.

"A draw is better than loosing. They could have done better," she said holding the kingdom's green flag.

But Mohammed Shata, a 23-year-old college student, disagreed.

"Frankly, I thought the team would lose against Tunisia," he said sporting the national team T-Shirt.

Saudi fans, however, expressed confidence in the their team ability to do better in the next matches

"Overall, we’re optimistic about the Saudi team," said Yassir Otaibi, from Jeddah.

"We’re cheering and hoping our team will win against Ukraine."

Another fan from Jeddah, Zuhair Bashamir, also sounded upbeat.

"We’re optimistic. The guys played good and we think we’ll win the next match."

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2006-06/15/05.shtml

[lavikor201]

They should beat the Ukraine. Spain killed the Ukrainians.

[Joe98]

….and porn TV channels turned off in the hotel hosting the Saudi soccer team.

This implies the players do not have self control.


As to the sponsor, perhaps next time it ought to be a cigarette company. Saudis must be among the heaviest smokers around.

[catmando]

This implies the players do not have self control.


As to the sponsor, perhaps next time it ought to be a cigarette company. Saudis must be among the heaviest smokers around.

Nicotine kills more people than alcohol. Maybe a Muslim can tell us why alcohol is forbidden.

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[Woodrow]

Nicotine kills more people than alcohol. Maybe a Muslim can tell us why alcohol is forbidden.

For the simple reason it is haraam in the Qur'an. We do not need to understand why Allah(swt) said it is haraam, we only need to know it is haraam. Haraam does not necessarily mean something is bad, dirty, or unhealthy (although it usually is), it simply means it is forbidden. It is true many items that are haraam are unhealthy, but that is not the reason we avoid them, we avoid them because they are forbidden. Allah(swt) knows best.

[catmando]

For the simple reason it is haraam in the Qur'an. We do not need to understand why Allah(swt) said it is haraam, we only need to know it is haraam. Haraam does not necessarily mean something is bad, dirty, or unhealthy (although it usually is), it simply means it is forbidden. It is true many items that are haraam are unhealthy, but that is not the reason we avoid them, we avoid them because they are forbidden. Allah(swt) knows best.

So why is alcohol not forbidden in every other culture? If Allah knows best why just Islam? Does Allah have no influence in any other culture?

[Woodrow]

So why is alcohol not forbidden in every other culture? If Allah knows best why just Islam? Does Allah have no influence in any other culture?

You ever try to give a Baptist a beer?

[Joe98]

If the players do not have self discipline off the field then they will have none on the field.

[sonz]

If the players do not have self discipline off the field then they will have none on the field.

joe stop making silly comments

theyre humans not robots. if u cut the source of the forbidden things then wouldnt it be better than be surrounded by haram things and thinking about it.

So why is alcohol not forbidden in every other culture? If Allah knows best why just Islam? Does Allah have no influence in any other culture?

islam is not a culture. alcohol is forbidden because the harms is greater than its benefits

"They ask you regarding wine and gambling. Say, in both of them is major sin, and there is some benefit for men, but the sin of them is far greater than benefit"
(Surah Baqarah)

[north_malaysian]

Nicotine kills more people than alcohol. Maybe a Muslim can tell us why alcohol is forbidden.

alcohol is haraam, smoking is haraam, drug addicting is haraam - why it messed up your mind!

[Malaikah]

and the nude photos in the fitness area have been removed

:sl:

what the... :offended: what were the pics doing there in the first place??

This implies the players do not have self control.

rubbish... leaving the channels open is like playing with fire. they might not want to watch it, but what happens if someone accidently switches to that channel? you cant just magically expect things to work for you with out you putting in some effort. you need to remove the sources of evil too.

Nicotine kills more people than alcohol. Maybe a Muslim can tell us why alcohol is forbidden.

Here you implicitly admit that alcohol kills people and then you continue to ask why alcohol is forbidden?:? Maybe you should ask the drunken students who came to my biology lecture one day after a barbeque run by the 'more beer' society wearing pajamas and skipping around the lecture theatre like a bunch of lunatics. And then you can also ask my biology lecturer, who accepted a beer from the students, why he (who was lecturing about the digestive system) was so willing to destroy his liver just for a drink that will intoxicate him. :rollseyes

So why is alcohol not forbidden in every other culture? If Allah knows best why just Islam? Does Allah have no influence in any other culture?

Islam is a religion, not a culture. It has nothing to do with culture! What does your point have to do with anything?? Islam has been to sent to all the people of all cultures. It is up to the people whether they will follow the divine way or not. God doesnt force anyone to do anything, that defeats the purpose of this life being a test.

[AvarAllahNoor]

Nicotine kills more people than alcohol. Maybe a Muslim can tell us why alcohol is forbidden.

I'm not a muslim and i certainly am not an expert but, i think it's to do with intoxicating the mind. As we all know alcohol/drugs can take control of the mind, making you do things which you have no control of. Sikhs are forbidden from drinking too, but unforunately, many drink as they claim it's do with our Punjabi 'culture'

Hope this helps :)

[AvarAllahNoor]

So why is alcohol not forbidden in every other culture? If Allah knows best why just Islam? Does Allah have no influence in any other culture?

See my last post :)

[north_malaysian]

I'm not a muslim and i certainly am not an expert but, i think it's to do with intoxicating the mind. As we all know alcohol/drugs can take control of the mind, making you do things which you have no control of. Sikhs are forbidden from drinking too, but unforunately, many drink as they claim it's do with our Punjabi 'culture'

Hope this helps :)

In Sikhism, alcohol is haraam. So when Sikh drinks, do they have punishment for doing that... errmm.. in Sikh Court? I remembered during a function, I have 2 sikh friends (one wear turban and keep beard) having whisky. I just want to ask them ... are Sikhs allowed to drink this, but seeing dozens of Muslims having their wine etc. I just kept silent and smile (while holding my Coke)

[Sis786]

Yeah the Bro above is right. Alcohol is really forbiddean in most religions NOT cultures but religions.

And as for all the porn and that. its best it not being around as the Shaytain has its ways of tempting people.

[AvarAllahNoor]

In Sikhism, alcohol is haraam. So when Sikh drinks, do they have punishment for doing that... errmm.. in Sikh Court? I remembered during a function, I have 2 sikh friends (one wear turban and keep beard) having whisky. I just want to ask them ... are Sikhs allowed to drink this, but seeing dozens of Muslims having their wine etc. I just kept silent and smile (while holding my Coke)

You mean the court of law? No, we don't have one! The only court we will be going to is the court of God! He then will decide what action to take.


Fareedaa jinHee kammee naahi gun tay kammrhay visaar.
Mat sarmindaa theevhee saaN-ee dai darbaar. ||59||


Fareed, those deeds which do not bring merit - forget about those deeds.
Otherwise, you shall be put to shame, in the Court of the Lord. ||59||

Sheikh Farid-ud-din

[Joe98]

….might not want to watch it, but what happens if someone accidentally

It is not possible to choose the channel by mistake. Using the remote control:

1. You must choose to switch to “movies”

2. You must choose between ordinary movies and adult movies

3. You must “confirm” that your credit card is charged


When you get the bill, there will be a charge for a “movie” but the name of the movie is not mentioned.

Therefore the team management do not know the name of the movie.

Ergo, team management does not trust the players to have self discipline.

[Malaikah]

team management does not trust the players to have self discipline.

The fact remains that they are only human.

[lolwatever]

EDIT: the message was sent across..

[Woodrow]

It is not possible to choose the channel by mistake. Using the remote control:

1. You must choose to switch to “movies”

2. You must choose between ordinary movies and adult movies

3. You must “confirm” that your credit card is charged


When you get the bill, there will be a charge for a “movie” but the name of the movie is not mentioned.

Therefore the team management do not know the name of the movie.


Ergo, team management does not trust the players to have self discipline.

Added by Woodrow: If the team wanted to watch them there is no way the team management could prevent it. Even with the channels blocked, the team members would be intelligent enough to know that slipping the desk clerk a nice tip, would have them unblocked and unmentioned

Another point can be added. Perhaps it is not a matter of trust. It is a matter of desiring to even remove ones self from even the possibility of seeing them, when possible. Similar to why a Muslim will not enter a bar, it is not because the Muslim will drink, it is because it is an indication that the Muslim condones drinking among others. We do not condone it, but we also have no right to deny the right of others to indulge in it. Blocked TV channels are also a message that as Muslims we do not condone those type shows. The fact we would request for them to be blocked is our statement that we do not want even the possibility of them being in our presense. It is our way of saying we will not watch that stuff.

[lolwatever]

oh yeh so true there's a verse in surat nisa about that, if people are doing haramand you sit with them, then you are like them... i think between verse 130-170ish

salam

[jm100]

:sl:

Why arent they concerned about their awrah's though?

:wa:

[afriend]

owwww.....Saudi lost big time...they're not gonna make it :(

[Ghazi]

:sl:

Mash'Allah atleast there's some iman there, may be the suadi population will snub their goverment and bring in the sharia Asking too much am I?

[Joe98]

The issue is, that if they are top sportsmen that ought to have self discipline.

Team management has made sure they do not.

Without discipline, they cannot win their games.

[Sweet-Revenge]

The closest thing to robots are atheists.

[Malaikah]

The issue is, that if they are top sportsmen that ought to have self discipline.

Team management has made sure they do not.

Without discipline, they cannot win their games.

And people need to learn not to make such sweeping judgements about people, especially when they dont understand their culture and religion.

[Wahid]

This implies the players do not have self control.


As to the sponsor, perhaps next time it ought to be a cigarette company. Saudis must be among the heaviest smokers around.

oh why have laws and police then? pple should have self control innit :thankyou:

[lolwatever]

hahahaha vahid u killed it

yeh joe go convict your president/PM for not trusting his people to hav self control, sentence him for life imprisonment due to state-sponsored population insultation

salam

[lavikor201]

Dam Saudi Arabia's football team is not very good. :-| They got killed.

[Joe98]

oh why have laws and police then?

The law says you cannot steal.
But some people do steal. Because they have no self discipline.
And are punished afterwards.

For the footballers, the rules say they cannot watch porno.
The footballers ought to be professional. They should have self discipline.

They have no self descipine and this showed on the football field.

[lolwatever]

The law says you cannot steal.
But some people do steal. Because they have no self discipline.
And are punished afterwards.

For the footballers, the rules say they cannot watch porno.
The footballers ought to be professional. They should have self discipline.

They have no self descipine and this showed on the football field.

For CEO's the law says they can't get involved into collusion and corporate scandals..
The CEO's ought to be proffessional. They should have self discipline.

Yet ENRON's CEO's have no self discipline and this showed in the court case. But according to Joe we still don't need to have laws and people who enforce the laws....

Madonna was a druggee yet he was a very good soccer player, therefore we should permit drugs.. Because it doesn't seem to affect soccer player performance

Yuppee.. :rollseyes

joe => :omg:

[Joe98]

The Enron people were given the opportunity to show they have self discipline. They showed they had none.

The Saudi team was not given the opportunity to show they have any self discipline.

[lolwatever]

The Enron people were given the opportunity to show they have self discipline. They showed they had none.

That's besides the point, you're saying we shouldn't have any restrictions on them to do such a thing, Islam says we should to prevent people from screwing up their life or other people's lives.

The Saudi team was not given the opportunity to show they have any self discipline.

Muslim's aren't placed on a bullet train to hell fire so they don't complain "O Allah you didn't set any commands for us so we got tempted, O Allah you know that we are weak but you never commanded those above us to prevent us from falling into these traps".

You guys want to take a pointless risk, we don't. You want to put yourself in harms way, we don't.

Given teh chance to watch or not to watch adult TV has nothing to do with player performance, just like the way being a druggy or not a druggy didn't have much of an effect on Madonna's performance.

Pfft he was even caught speeding 120K's n hour on his way to the match..

[lolwatever]

PS: Enron not the only ones, point is, they done what htey did with all the restrictions and auditing they had in place (not as you say 'they had the opportunity 2 show discipline')

Imagine what everyone woudl do without any laws in place! Geez according to your logic, you should complain to the US department of defence for conducting security checks before people board flights!