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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-28-2006, 02:58 PM
Salaam
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa...ion=cnn_latest
Hmmm.... how long have they been in power in Somalia now?^o)
They sure are quick to jump to conclusions.
W'salaam
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Ghazi
06-28-2006, 03:04 PM
:sl:

How on Earth are they terrorists wallahi the US goverment is pissing me off more and more by the day.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-28-2006, 03:08 PM
No need to use that langauge akhee. But I agree. The Ethiopian president just wants to keep his hands on the part of Somalia that he already has.
SubhanAllah it's so sad what's going on there. The Ethiopian soldiers go around killing people and raping girls.
May Allah give victory to Islam, and glory to the Umamh, ameen.
W'salaam
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KAding
06-28-2006, 05:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth
:sl:

How on Earth are they terrorists wallahi the US goverment is pissing me off more and more by the day.
Do you really think the US is the only one who has a problem with these Islamists? They have more enemies then just the US, and the Ethiopians appear to have their own reasons for seeing them as a threat.
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Bittersteel
06-28-2006, 05:15 PM
Ethiopins are Christians.they think the evil Islamists will kill them all...oops.
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HeiGou
06-28-2006, 05:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Emir Aziz
Ethiopins are Christians.they think the evil Islamists will kill them all...oops.
And why would they think that? Tell me how many times since Muhammed Ethiopians have attacked Muslims. Ask yourself, how many times since Muhammed have Muslim attacked Ethiopians. Besides which Ethiopia is a socialist country with Christians and Muslims in the government.
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Bittersteel
06-28-2006, 05:22 PM
what have Somalian Islamists done that will care the living daylights out of the Ethiopian Prime Minister?
EDIT~okay,Somalis are violent,that's understandable and there has been violence.But uh do Islamist militants uh cause trouble to Ethiopians ?
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HeiGou
06-28-2006, 05:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Emir Aziz
what have Somalian Islamists done that will care the living daylights out of the Ethiopian Prime Minister?
EDIT~okay,Somalis are violent,that's understandable and there has been violence.But uh do Islamist militants uh cause trouble to Ethiopians ?
You know the joke about the Cannibal who goes out hunting with three pygmies? He comes back with two. The next day he goes out with two, comes back with one. The next day he calls on the last one to come with him and the other pygmies say "Umm, do you think you ought to go?" and the last pygmy says "Why not? So far so good".

Surely given Ethiopia's history it can no more welcome radical Islamists next door than it could welcome, well, words fail me. Draw your own analogy.
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Ghazi
06-28-2006, 08:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Do you really think the US is the only one who has a problem with these Islamists? They have more enemies then just the US, and the Ethiopians appear to have their own reasons for seeing them as a threat.
:sl:

What have they done to you and the west common lets face it you's don't want somalia to be ruled by the sharia.
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HeiGou
06-28-2006, 08:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth
What have they done to you and the west common lets face it you's don't want somalia to be ruled by the sharia.
You mean apart from those terrorist attacks - the Somalis are thought to have let the terrorists through into Kenya for the Embassy attacks, the Hotel attacks and the attempt on the Israeli airliner.

The fact is that radical Islam has decided to pick a fight with the West. Why wouldn't any rational Western person not prefer Islamists to be in jail rather than in power? How can this work out in a way that is even vaguely satisfactory for the West?
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Ghazi
06-28-2006, 08:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
You mean apart from those terrorist attacks - the Somalis are thought to have let the terrorists through into Kenya for the Embassy attacks, the Hotel attacks and the attempt on the Israeli airliner.

The fact is that radical Islam has decided to pick a fight with the West. Why wouldn't any rational Western person not prefer Islamists to be in jail rather than in power? How can this work out in a way that is even vaguely satisfactory for the West?
:sl:

What ever, I'm sure if toney Blair suddenly decided to become a muslim and implament the sharia he'd be accused of terrorism aswel wouldn't that be ironic!:giggling:
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HeiGou
06-28-2006, 08:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth
What ever, I'm sure if toney Blair suddenly decided to become a muslim and implament the sharia he'd be accused of terrorism aswel wouldn't that be ironic!:giggling:
You think? Terrorism would be the only way he could get Sharia implemented.

Of course if the ruler of Somali became a Catholic like Tone and implemented Western law he wouldn't be accused of being a terrorist. He'd probably have his throat cut. Don't mess with Somalis!
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-28-2006, 09:57 PM
What exactly do you know about Somalia HeiGou? Remember you are talking to a Somali. Ethiopian soldiers have caused so much terror in parts of Somalia. So don't talk to me about Islamists and terror.
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Kidman
06-28-2006, 10:01 PM
A lot of the stuff happening in Somalia is over basic human necessities to live. Since 1/5 Somali's depend on aid to LIVE... the clans are stealing a lot of the food, and they make trades with other clans for weapons, and so on... the fighting continues, people are starving and dying everyday there. 1/5 childern under 7 years old suffers from acute malnutrition... it's a screwed up world there...
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-28-2006, 10:02 PM
It's a screwed up world everywhere. But yeah, may Allah make it easy for those of us suffering in the ummah, ameen.
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HeiGou
06-29-2006, 05:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
What exactly do you know about Somalia HeiGou? Remember you are talking to a Somali. Ethiopian soldiers have caused so much terror in parts of Somalia. So don't talk to me about Islamists and terror.
I thought I was talking to a British Muslim. Ethiopian soldiers have caused terror where exactly? It did not take long for the Somalis to prove my basic point right,

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...ca/5129168.stm

Somali Islamists condemn Ethiopia
One of the leaders of the Islamist group that controls parts of southern Somalia has accused Ethiopia of "occupying" Somali territory.


Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys called for talks on Ethiopia's Ogaden region, inhabited by ethnic Somalis.

Mr Aweys has been confirmed as the leader of the Islamists' council.

His accusation comes after Ethiopia tightened security along the Somali border, following the advance of Union of Islamic Courts.

Mr Aweys fought in the two countries' war for the region in the 1970s.

Ethiopia also played a key role in defeating his Islamist militia al-Itihaad al-Islamiya in the 1990s.

Mr Aweys is on a US list of people allegedly linked to terrorist groups and both the United States and Ethiopia have been alarmed by the Islamic courts capture of the Somali capital, Mogadishu, and other towns.

He denies the charges but the US has said it will not deal with him.

At an African Union meeting in The Gambia, the weak interim government has asked for the AU's support.

Foreign Minister Abdullahi Sheekh Ismail also condemned said Mr Aweys could not be Somalia's leader.

"He's identified with international terrorist organisations," Mr Ismail told the BBC.

"He cannot be an image representing Somalia in any case. I think everybody knows that."

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In Mogadishu, Union of Islamic Courts chairman Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed confirmed that Mr Aweys was the leader of a new 91-member Shura or consultative council.

It is not clear whether Mr Ahmed or Mr Aweys is the Islamists' overall leader.

The US House of Representatives is due to discuss what it calls "The Expanding Crisis in the Horn of Africa" later on Thursday.

Mr Aweys' latest comments are likely to further heighten tensions.

"Ethiopia mistreats the Somalis under their administration. The land was given to them by colonialists and we will seek justice to resolve the crisis that is dividing the two countries," Mr Aweys told the AFP news agency.

"We are ready to negotiate," he said.

The Islamists have accused Ethiopia of sending troops into Somalia in support of the weak interim government, based in Baidoa, 200km from Mogadishu.

Ethiopia's Prime Minister Meles Zenawi denies these accusations.

"We have beefed up our defences all along the border to prevent any threat to our security that might emanate from the resurgent Jihadists in Mogadishu," he said.

Ethiopia helped Somalia's now interim president, Abdullahi Yusuf, defeat al-Itihaad in the 1990s.

Last week, the Islamic courts and the largely toothless interim government agreed not to fight each other.

The recent advances of the Islamists have renewed fears of major conflict in Somalia, which has not had an effective national government for 15 years.

Meanwhile, the African Union is to ask the United Nations Security Council to partially lift its arms embargo on Somalia to allow for an African peacekeeping mission to go there.

Somalia's president is in favour of the deployment of peacekeepers, but the Islamists strongly oppose the move.

Published: 2006/06/29 17:17:47 GMT

So they are claiming a piece of Ethiopia already. No doubt that will provide a good pretext for Somali to wage a war of "self-defense" against Ethiopia. Because, after all, Muslims are never aggressive.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 05:49 PM
LOOL. I thought you said Ethopia's Ogeden region?
Some top comedy there.
And i've never considered myself British. I was brought up to know my roots.
FYI, I have alot of family from my dad's side in that region. So please stop with copying and the pasting.
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HeiGou
06-29-2006, 05:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
LOOL. I thought you said Ethopia's Ogeden region?
Some top comedy there.
Actually the BBC did. Ogaden has been part of Ethiopia for how long now?

And i've never considered myself British. I was brought up to know my roots.
Your choice. No doubt you will not complain when the British cease to consider you British either.

FYI, I have alot of family from my dad's side in that region. So please stop with copying and the pasting.
Now that is funny. Where would this newsgroup be without cut and pastes?
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-29-2006, 05:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth
:sl:

How on Earth are they terrorists wallahi the US goverment is pissing me off more and more by the day.
me2, wallahi, me2! Somalia aint no wimpy country anyway, US can jus get lost!
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 05:59 PM
I have family members who have been killed by Ethiopian soldiers, they were civillians too. Female relatives of mine have also been raped. So I think I know more about what's going on.
So how long does a country have to be labelled on a map for it to be worldy accepted? *rolls eyes*
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:00 PM
Oh and no, I won't compalin.
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-29-2006, 06:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
I have family members who have been killed by Ethiopian soldiers, they were civillians too. Female relatives of mine have also been raped. So I think I know more about what's going on.
So how long does a country have to be labelled on a map for it to be worldy accepted? *rolls eyes*
:eek:

inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raajiun!
may Allah giv them all sabr InshaALlah Ameen!

Allah is testing ur family. May he give them Sabr.

:salamext:
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:05 PM
My Qur'an teacher's husband is fighting jihad there. And he's like almost 70. SubhanAllah. Where are the young men of the ummah? Where are the Salahudeens, the Abu Dujaanas, the Khalid ibn al Walids?
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HeiGou
06-29-2006, 06:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
I have family members who have been killed by Ethiopian soldiers, they were civillians too. Female relatives of mine have also been raped. So I think I know more about what's going on.
Sorry to hear that.

So how long does a country have to be labelled on a map for it to be worldy accepted? *rolls eyes*
Who knows? But how far back do you have to go before your claims become silly? Ethiopia was right to be worried about these people as they have wasted no time threatening Ethiopia. No doubt the Moroccans will be claiming Spain next.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:18 PM
Whatever, the way I see it, that is Somali land and always will be.
But just don't think the Ethiopian PM's intentions are always innocent. It is his soldiers carrying out these crimes against innocent civillians.
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-29-2006, 06:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
My Qur'an teacher's husband is fighting jihad there. And he's like almost 70. SubhanAllah. Where are the young men of the ummah? Where are the Salahudeens, the Abu Dujaanas, the Khalid ibn al Walids?
i.... theres no excuse.... there jus aint.... :(
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:21 PM
Just make the intention akhee. The Somali mujahideen will gladly welcome you. I'll put in a good word for you with my Qur'an teacher. What do you say. Is it a yes?
(you can choose to take this seriously if you want to)
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-29-2006, 06:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
Just make the intention akhee. The Somali mujahideen will gladly welcome you. I'll put in a good word for you with my Qur'an teacher. What do you say. Is it a yes?
(you can choose to take this seriously if you want to)
i kinda had my heart set on helpin palestine, if i do help somalia, i'll ask one of my best bro's when there goin (there somali) and i'll join them inshaAllah

:salamext:
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:29 PM
What's wrong with Somalia?!
You got something against us, huh?
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-29-2006, 06:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
What's wrong with Somalia?!
You got something against us, huh?
fighting for the holyland is an honour tho.. im not smart, intelligent or nething. So theres no point not fighting coz wat else can i do? lol So im thinkin if i do fight i might aswell protect our holyland :D... sry if somalia becomes too much under threat i might help it inshaAllah. plz dont take offence.


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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:38 PM
You weren't supposed to take that seriously. But I would fight anywhere my brothers and sisters need me.
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HeiGou
06-29-2006, 06:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
Whatever, the way I see it, that is Somali land and always will be.
This piques my curiosity. On what basis do you think it is Somali land? Why?
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-29-2006, 06:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
This piques my curiosity. On what basis do you think it is Somali land? Why?
because its labelled somalia wiv millions of somalians in the territory ;D ;D



^ IGnore, i know nothing about history.


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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:40 PM
Why do you think?
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HeiGou
06-29-2006, 06:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
Why do you think?
I assume it is because you think the land is somehow rightfully Somali. But why?
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-29-2006, 06:48 PM
Take a trip don't memory lane.
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AHMED_GUREY
06-30-2006, 04:53 AM



Ogaden was given to the ethiopians because somalis murked thousands of british,italian,indian,ethiopian troops during the longest colonial resistance war in africa also known as the madmullah vs Anglo,italian wars

we defeated ethiopian troops in the 70's but then the russian cubans and eastern block of germany forces came to the aid of the new communist regime of ethiopia and provided 20 thousand soldiers and gave weapons and ammunitions worth billions

ethiopia doesnt have the rescources to do anything

if it could it would have taken over somalia a long time ago but they are broke simple as that

also ethiopia's PM doesn't have the backing of the ethiopian people cause 90% of the population there is being raped, killed or put in jail by his regime

good thing the real somali patriots kicked out those cowards of a warlords

insha-allah they will unite Somalia under a Islamic state with shariah law


REST IN PEACE
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Taqiyah
06-30-2006, 05:33 AM
insha-allah they will unite Somalia under a Islamic state with shariah law

http://macruuf.jeeran.com/soom-22.jpg
REST IN PEACE[/QUOTE]


:) Amen...InshaAllah...:statisfie....I hope this happens very soon....:) and puts end to all the suffering the Somalian people faced for the last 16 years..:sister: I can't wait when that happens:) it would definetly be the happiest day of my life:statisfie .......but for now we all Have to pray for peace:) :love: :salaam:
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KAding
06-30-2006, 08:42 AM
I find it somewhat bizarre though that they are already demanding territory from other states when they don't even control their own state yet.
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HeiGou
06-30-2006, 09:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
I find it somewhat bizarre though that they are already demanding territory from other states when they don't even control their own state yet.
I find it even more bizarre that those who are loudest in proclaiming Islam a religion of peace and also loudly proclaiming Somali's right to invade Ethiopia.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
06-30-2006, 10:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY
http://i2.tinypic.com/t0rqdh.jpg

Ogaden was given to the ethiopians because somalis murked thousands of british,italian,indian,ethiopian troops during the longest colonial resistance war in africa also known as the madmullah vs Anglo,italian wars

we defeated ethiopian troops in the 70's but then the russian cubans and eastern block of germany forces came to the aid of the new communist regime of ethiopia and provided 20 thousand soldiers and gave weapons and ammunitions worth billions

ethiopia doesnt have the rescources to do anything

if it could it would have taken over somalia a long time ago but they are broke simple as that

also ethiopia's PM doesn't have the backing of the ethiopian people cause 90% of the population there is being raped, killed or put in jail by his regime

good thing the real somali patriots kicked out those cowards of a warlords

insha-allah they will unite Somalia under a Islamic state with shariah law

http://macruuf.jeeran.com/soom-22.jpg
REST IN PEACE
InshaAllah akhee! May the wounds of our brothers and sisters finally heal, ameen.
I pray for peace for our brothers and sisters all over the world.
W'salaam
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Hashim_507
06-30-2006, 10:51 AM
[S]Oh boy, another conflict on the rise!![/S]
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Durrah
06-30-2006, 11:00 PM
:sl:


This is an excellent and acurrate article explaining the history of somalia in the last 100 yrs. I would suggest those lacking in knowlegde regarding somalia (i.e HeiGou, Kading) might want to take notes and actually listen and learn something, instead of speaking in compleate ignorance on matters that they have NO knowlegde what so ever on!


Somalia: Killed by "Kindness" by Brendan O'Neill

If you want to see how new forms of Western military intervention can be even worse than the colonialism of old, look no further than Somalia.

This east African state has, for more than 100 years, been a plaything of the Western powers. It was divided and ruled by the British, French and Italians during the colonial period from the end of the nineteenth century to the 1960s; it was dominated by America in the late 1970s and 1980s, when it became a proxy state in Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan’s Cold War against the Soviet Union. After the Cold War, in 1992, it became a stage for ‘humanitarian intervention’: thousands of US soldiers, including marines, landed on its beaches under the banner Operation Restore Hope, apparently to save Somalis from ‘warlordism’ and famine. And now it has become the latest outpost in the West’s ‘war on terror’. America has done an about-face and funded and armed the warlords it fought against in 1992 and 1993, encouraging them to face down the militia of the Islamic Courts Union that recently took the capital Mogadishu.

From colonialism to Cold War intrigue, from humanitarianism to counterterrorism, Somalia has been on the receiving end of every form of Western military intervention over the past century. Each era of intervention shared one thing in common: it screwed the people of Somalia, robbing them of the right to determine their own affairs and dividing them along lines that suited various Western powers. Yet, if anything, the new post-Cold War interventionism has proved even worse for Somalis than the colonialism and Cold War antics that went before it. Where the old forms of intervention, motivated by Western competition and interest, at least ensured a kind of stability in Somalia, the new forms of intervention, motivated by a combination of moral posturing and irrational fear, have left the country as a dangerous vacuum.

Somalia shows, perhaps more than any other state, that moralism in international affairs can be an even more lethal beast than Western realpolitik.

Thanks in no small part to Hollywood – which released Black Hawk Down in 2002, an action-packed, star-studded depiction of the US troops’ clashes with Somali militia in Mogadishu in October 1993 – Somalia is best-known in the public mind as the ‘humanitarian’ venture that went wrong. Eighteen US soldiers and around 1,000 Somalis were killed in the Battle of Mogadishu, when US troops were dropped into the capital by helicopter to wipe out leading ‘warlord’ Mohammad Farah Aideed. The US military intervention of 1992 and 1993 was justified as an attempt to rein in Somalia’s warring clans and, in the words of President George HW Bush, to ‘save thousands of Somalis’ from famine and the divisive ‘bloodletting’. It’s worth remembering that, for all the handwringing over Operation Restore Hope today, it was widely supported by commentators at the time.

The most remarkable thing about Bush senior and later President Bill Clinton’s claims to be rescuing Somalia from civil war – and the unquestioning attitude to their venture from reporters and pundits – is that Western intervention was the cause of civil conflict in Somalia in the early 1990s. As parts of Somalia descended into violent clashes in 1991 and 1992, the Western media was full of claims that the violence was a consequence of Somalis’ ‘warlike nature’ or a resurgence of tribal blood feuds from the pages of Somali history. And apparently it was up to the more enlightened West – the UN and aid agencies, backed by US military power – to try to put a stop to this backward conflict. In fact, the history that really shaped the conflict in Somalia in the early 1990s was that of European colonialism and American militarism in the east of Africa.

The territory of Somalia was shaped by European colonialism. By the end of the nineteenth century, the colonialists had divided the Somali people into British, French and Italian subjects. Britain had also handed the million Somalis of the Ogaden region over to Ethiopia. The British and Italian regions were brought together as the Republic of Somalia in 1960 – while many other Somalis remained divided under the rule of Ethiopia, Kenya and (until 1977) France. This era of European colonialism, from the end of the nineteenth century through to the mid- and late twentieth century, left Somalis with a legacy of poverty and civil strife. That legacy was built upon and exacerbated by America during the Cold War era.

In 1969, General Mohammed Siad Barre seized power in Somalia. He and his forces capitalised on the popular discontent and anger with the ruling elites sponsored by Britain and Italy. Keen to break the grip of the West over Somalia, Barre cosied up to the Soviet Union: he declared Somalia a socialist republic and provided naval facilities to the Soviets. Meanwhile, Somalis fought against the Ethiopian, Kenyan and French authorities that continued to oversee the old French section and other parts of Somalia, and demanded a united, post-colonial Republic of Somalia.

By the late 1970s, Barre had been won over from the Soviets by the Americans. Following the humiliation of defeat in Vietnam in the mid-1970s, America, under President Jimmy Carter, launched what came to be known as the ‘Second Cold War’ – where rather than committing troops to bolster its authority in the Third World it sought instead to weaken Soviet influence by sponsoring and arming various different regimes. In 1977, Carter identified Barre’s Somalia as one of six Third World states where Soviet influence was most vulnerable. In order to win Barre over, the Carter administration cut off all its aid to Ethiopia and encouraged Barre to invade the Ogaden region – that land of a million Somalis that had been handed by the British to the Ethiopians. When Barre’s forces duly stormed Ogaden, the Soviet Union denounced him, switched its support from Somalia to Ethiopia, and backed Ethiopian efforts – which were also assisted by Soviet-friendly Cuban forces – to expel the Somalis from Ogaden. Then US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski (who now, remarkably, makes a living from slating the current Bush administration for its war in Iraq) described Somalia as the new defining faultline, no less, between the West and the ‘Evil Empire’: the US-Soviet détente ‘lies buried in the sands of the Ogaden’, he declared.

Once it was back in the Western fold, Barre’s Somalia was effectively transformed into an American military camp under Carter and Reagan and later Bush senior. In August 1980, Barre signed a defence pact with the Carter administration, giving US troops access to the air and naval facilities at the Soviet-built port of Berbera. The port became a key base for America’s ‘Rapid Deployment Force’, the massive military forces set up by Carter in 1979 and posted around the world to protect America’s interests, especially in Korea, the Persian Gulf and the Middle East. America’s presence in Somalia allowed it to keep a watchful eye on both the horn of Africa and the Gulf. Barre was handsomely rewarded for his compliance. His increasingly corrupt dictatorship was funded and armed by Carter, Reagan and Bush senior. This period of Western intervention was especially disastrous for Somalis: through Barre, America manipulated and intensified ethnic divisions in Somalia, in order to store up the ever-more isolated Barre’s rule over the country. Barre used American money to buy allies and American weapons to punish enemies. The old dream of a united Republic of Somalia – which motivated Somalis in the 1960s and 70s – was consigned to the dustbin of history.

It was these divisions fostered by the American-backed Barre regime that exploded in the early 1990s. As the Cold War came to an end in the late Eighties and early Nineties, Barre became surplus to requirements – he was no longer needed by the Americans, who no longer much cared what happened to Somalia. In 1991, America pulled out of Somalia and shortly afterwards the Barre regime, which had faced sometimes violent internal opposition since the early Eighties, fell and central authority collapsed. The ethnic divisions exploited by the Americans through Barre spilled into conflict in parts of the country, which soon became split along the lines of the old Anglo-Italian carve-up.

And yet, in 1992 Bush senior had the bare-faced cheek to declare that he was sending forces to Somalia to save the people from famine, division and bloodshed, and later Clinton described the storming of Mogadishu as an attempt to ‘bring peace’ to the country. It was as if the previous 15 years of American militarisation, and the decades of European colonialism before that, had never happened. In fact, what Western politicians and commentators described as ‘warlordism’ – clashes between different groups for territory and influence – was the logical consequence of continual and destructive Western intervention in Somalia.

If the civil strife of the early 1990s was a consequence of both colonialism and Cold War militarism, then it was further exacerbated by the ‘humanitarian intervention’ undertaken by America in 1992 and 1993.

Operation Restore Hope was effectively a stunt, a post-Cold War attempt by America to demonstrate both its military prowess and its moral credentials to the watching world. It was not an attempt to dominate Somalia, as America had in the 1980s, nor to divide and rule it, as European colonialists had in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. Rather, this was really a media event (as evidenced by the fact that US forces landed on Somali beaches at a time that would coincide with the live evening news, and their landing was apparently carried out twice so that news cameramen could get better shots of it). Restore Hope was part of America’s search for a sense of moral purpose after it had been robbed of its big, bad enemy, the Soviet Union.

That is why American officials continually exaggerated the scale of the famine in Somalia, which they claimed to be launching a war against: because this was a staged intervention rather than a genuine attempt to lift Somalia out of poverty. In truth, the worst of the famine was over before American forces arrived, and as some experts have pointed out the interventions by the US, the UN and numerous aid agencies increased poverty and hunger in Somalia rather than alleviating it. For example, the flooding of Somalia with aid effectively destroyed the country’s agricultural industry (1). The stunt-like nature of America’s war on famine and warlords can be seen in the fact that when 18 of its soldiers were killed in Mogadishu in October 1993, the US hastily withdrew: this was not supposed to be a long-term mission in which soldiers died, but rather a short, sharp boost to America’s moral authority.

Yet even though the US intervention of 1992 and 1993 was fairly fleeting, it also internationalised, and thereby exacerbated, the civil tensions in Somalia, paving the way for the civil war in the Republic of Somalia during the 1990s. During Operation Restore Hope, America may have denounced some of the warlords as illegitimate and ‘evil’, but it implicitly supported or encouraged others. By choosing to transform Mohammad Farah Aideed into the bogeyman of Somalia (often by exaggerating his power and influence), US intervention inflamed those groups that opposed Aideed. According to one report, America went so far as to arm certain anti-Aideed forces, or at least turned a blind eye to their acquisition of arms. In June 1993, a journalist for the Washington Post described it as ‘waltzing with the warlords’, where American propaganda and manoeuvring gave certain warlords ‘too much prominence’ and in the process upped the stakes in the Somali civil conflict (2). It is not surprising that, following America’s withdrawal after Operation Restore Hope went wrong, the civil conflict intensified rather than giving way to Clinton’s ‘peace’.

A similar process of internationalising Somalia’s tensions is taking place again today, though this time under the rubric of the ‘war on terror’. It was recently revealed that Washington has duplicitously funded and armed a collection of eight ‘warlord militias’ to challenge the Islamists’ takeover of Mogadishu. Indeed, the warlord groups seem to be explicitly appealing to international sentiments, naming themselves as the ‘Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism’, or the ‘Anti-Terrorism Alliance’ for short. They’re also making unsubstantiated claims that the Islamic Courts Union has links with al-Qaeda. This is clearly an attempt to cloak themselves with the moral authority of the international ‘war on terror’, and it seems to have worked: America is backing them on the basis that anyone is better than radical Islamists (3).

These latest developments show how the ‘war on terror’ can create the very enemies it was designed to destroy. There may have been ragbag collections of Islamists in Somalia in recent years, but it was no doubt Western fearmongering about the possible emergence of an Islamist force in Somalia, and its support for those who opposed them, which allowed the Islamists to assume prominence and win support (4). Now, Somalia’s ongoing civil strife has been co-opted by the ‘war on terror’, and transformed from local violent clashes over influence in Mogadishu into part of an international war of good against evil, a frontline in the West’s obsession with facing down anything that looks or smells al-Qaeda-esque. Such further internationalisation of Somalia’s local tensions can only, yet again, up the ante and prolong the conflict. The divisions fostered by old forms of Western intervention are thus deepened by new forms of intervention.

Somalia is a case study in how today’s foreign interventions can be even worse than what went before them, leaving the states that they touch in a mess of unpredictable violence and uncertain futures. Colonialism certainly denied Somalis their democratic rights and the ability to develop and move forward, but it at least created state apparatus, law, local authorities, and rulers – both from without and within – who could organise and run the country’s affairs (in the colonialists’ interests, usually). Even America’s Cold War militarisation of Somalia allowed a strongman, Barre, to keep control of the state’s affairs. This was disastrous for a great number of Somalis, many of whom chose to fight against Barre, but it created some semblance of order.

By contrast, humanitarian intervention and its successor the ‘war on terror’ have left states such as Somalia as a vacuum, with no real or convincing authority or internal political life. These new forms of intervention are less about the West imposing a mission on to Third World states than they are a desperate search for a mission. Humanitarianism is about moral grandstanding, toppling the ‘bad guys’ in order to make the West look and feel good about itself; the question of who or what will replace the bad guys is rarely addressed. The ‘war on terror’ is about chasing evil bogeymen in order to make the West feel safe and secure; little consideration is given to what will happen once the bogeymen have been routed. Where Somalia in the past was shaped by the coherent interests of its rulers – divided into British, Italian and French sections under colonialism, and transformed into an American outpost during the Cold War – Somalia today is shaped by the fleeting whims of Western powers seeking some moral kicks. The end result is a kind of neverending conflict, pushed and pulled this way and that way by indecisive and changeable Western powers.

Somalia has had more than enough of both the old and new colonialism: it is time Somalis themselves were left to shape and build the society that they want.
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Durrah
06-30-2006, 11:27 PM
:sl:

I might add that I am SOMALI also. Theres nothing in terms of historical details that could be faulted on this article. The writer has pretty much got everything on point. My only problem with this article is that i didnt write the piece myself! Im so damn jealous. lol.

And just incase you "miss" this particuar fact HeiGou and Kading: Britain GAVE Ogdan to Ethopia. Ogdan and the other occupied terrioties were always part of Somalia until that point and the people of Ogdan are Somalis by orgin, ethnicity, language and race. So if the people of Somalia wished to reclaim Ogdan back they'd be well within their rights to do so. We never gave it up, the british empire stole it, like they did with the rest of africa, hong kong, australia, india and all the other countries that the empire spread to. Its part of our country, the people of Ogdan are OUR people, they're our families/relatives and friends who have suffered greatly under the hands of the Ethiopian miltary who raped, killed and totured them, as well as expelling people from the land, burning down the mosques and closing the schools. They may have the border, but we have the people and the people of that region dont want to be occupied by ethopia. If the goverment of Ethopia was to set foot in that region again on a mass scale with milatary like it once did, no doubt Somalia, north and south would put their difference aside and march to Ogdan for war.

god willing they'll be part of a re-unfied somalia again!
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Abu Zakariya
06-30-2006, 11:35 PM
HeiGou

Since you seem to feel that Ogaden should belong to Ethiopia, do you feel that Eritrea has no place being independent and should also, again, belong to Ethiopia?
I mean, to what extent do you feel that Ethiopia has the right to the lands of other people that don't want to belong to that state?

Also, would you feel that it's okay for Britain to now step in and give Ogaden back to the Somalis or is it only acceptable if they take and give a part of Somali land to Ethiopia, but it isn't if they give Somalia part of Somali land?
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AHMED_GUREY
07-01-2006, 03:03 AM
1500's



1900's



70's



2 many men have died defending my nation's territories and religion from the portuguese to the brits to the italians and the russians

ethiopia knows it can't win a war one on one if they could they would have invaded somalia a long time ago but they know their history with Somalia:giggling:

the sheikhs are smart for re-claiming ogaden as a somalia territory this will spark nationalisme between somalis

the one thing that can unite somalis is an outside threat:happy:
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Woodrow
07-01-2006, 03:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Emir Aziz
Ethiopins are Christians.they think the evil Islamists will kill them all...oops.
Out of fairness, Ethiopia is about half and half Muslims and Christians, with a slightly larger Muslim population.. This may be a time when we will have to choose, who to side with. Apparently one or the other group does not support the Ummah.

Religions: Muslim 45%-50%, Ethiopian Orthodox 35%-40%, animist 12%, other 3%-8%

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/ethio...ia_people.html


Some of the Somalian Muslims appear to be a bit out of touch with the Ummah.

The role of religious functionaries began to shrink in the 1950s and 1960s as some of their legal and educational powers and responsibilities were transferred to secular authorities. The position of religious leaders changed substantially after the 1969 revolution and the introduction of scientific socialism. Siad Barre insisted that his version of socialism was compatible with Quranic principles, and he condemned atheism. Religious leaders, however, were warned not to meddle in politics.

The new government instituted legal changes that some religious figures saw as contrary to Islamic precepts. The regime reacted sharply to criticism, executing some of the protesters. Subsequently, religious leaders seemed to accommodate themselves to the government.

http://countrystudies.us/somalia/44.htm

In some Nations it seems our Brothers and Sisters have become more under the control of secular rule then listening to the word of Allah(swt). We need to make D'ua for both and ask Allah(swt) to show them that they are one in Islam.
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Taqiyah
07-01-2006, 03:52 AM
Quote "Ahmed Gurray"
Awesome!;D I agree with u brother!!;D Ethiopians better back off!
or.....else.........:giggling:
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KAding
07-01-2006, 08:17 AM
An interesting article, thanks. But this does not mean Somalian Islamist warlords can simply go demanding territory from Ethiopia. How do you expect the Ethiopians to react? As Woodrow has shown there are many many Muslims in Ethiopia, should they all become part of Somalia?

These people are simply asking for trouble, it is no wonder the Ethiopians are hostile to them!
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-01-2006, 11:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
An interesting article, thanks. But this does not mean Somalian Islamist warlords can simply go demanding territory from Ethiopia. How do you expect the Ethiopians to react? As Woodrow has shown there are many many Muslims in Ethiopia, should they all become part of Somalia?

These people are simply asking for trouble, it is no wonder the Ethiopians are hostile to them!
Ethiopian Muslims can stay in Ethiopia if they want to. Who ever suggested that they should be forcefully taken to Somalia?
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sonz
07-01-2006, 11:48 AM
salama

arent somalis and ethiopians from the same ancestry??? they look alot like each other so why fighting???
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-01-2006, 11:51 AM
W'salaam.
I hardly think things are that simple. But I could easily tell the difference between an Ethiopian and and a Somali.
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HeiGou
07-01-2006, 01:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
Ethiopian Muslims can stay in Ethiopia if they want to. Who ever suggested that they should be forcefully taken to Somalia?
A lot of people around here are suggesting that a large chunk of Ethiopia should be forcefully taken and incorporated into Somalia. That would take a lot of Ethiopians with it unless they ethnically cleanse those regions first.

I think as long as so many Muslims don't get the "Islam is a religion of Peace" message, there can only be conflict. For once I am totally with Ethiopia.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-01-2006, 02:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
A lot of people around here are suggesting that a large chunk of Ethiopia should be forcefully taken and incorporated into Somalia. That would take a lot of Ethiopians with it unless they ethnically cleanse those regions first.

I think as long as so many Muslims don't get the "Islam is a religion of Peace" message, there can only be conflict. For once I am totally with Ethiopia.
For once? I haven't once seen you side with Islam. So, basically, you think because Ogeden is in Ethiopia now, it should just stay there? What about the Somalians there suffering? Tell that to them.
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HeiGou
07-01-2006, 02:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
For once? I haven't once seen you side with Islam. So, basically, you think because Ogeden is in Ethiopia now, it should just stay there? What about the Somalians there suffering? Tell that to them.
Yes but you have not seen me side with what is a repressive quasi-Marxist state either have you? I think that the outstanding problems of the world should be solved peacefully if at all. So if it is part of Ethiopia now, Ogaden ought to stay where it is unless there is a very pressing reason to do anything. Even then. What about the Somalis suffering? They look quite well off to me - at least in comparison with the Somalis of Somalia.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-01-2006, 03:46 PM
You clearly know little about the reality of what is really happening. And inshaAllah things are going to get better in Somalia. America certainly didn't help.
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HeiGou
07-01-2006, 03:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
You clearly know little about the reality of what is really happening. And inshaAllah things are going to get better in Somalia. America certainly didn't help.
I don't know. They fed a lot of people. Prevented many from starving. A pity that their efforts to bring stable government did not work and the warlords are still ruining the place. The reality? I would judge the present by the alternatives and they do not look good to me.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-01-2006, 03:54 PM
^o).... have you even read my posts about what the soldiers do to the Somalis there? Do you know what is happening there RIGHT NOW?
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HeiGou
07-01-2006, 04:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
^o).... have you even read my posts about what the soldiers do to the Somalis there? Do you know what is happening there RIGHT NOW?
They turned on the Americans and drove them out. Well on the Pakistanis first and the Americans later. It is not America's fault. I have seen accusations of rape by Ethiopian soldiers. Are you saying that Somali warlords never let their soldiers rape either? Somalia is screwed up. People suffer in civil war. At least Ethiopia has been spared that recently.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-01-2006, 04:09 PM
When did I ever support the war Lords?
That's like saying.... if American soldiers raped Iraqi woman, it would be 'ok' because Saddam used to do the same.
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AHMED_GUREY
07-01-2006, 07:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
Yes but you have not seen me side with what is a repressive quasi-Marxist state either have you? I think that the outstanding problems of the world should be solved peacefully if at all. So if it is part of Ethiopia now, Ogaden ought to stay where it is unless there is a very pressing reason to do anything. Even then. What about the Somalis suffering? They look quite well off to me - at least in comparison with the Somalis of Somalia.
i don't what picture you have of my country

but let me show you some facts

World bank

Somalia flourished precisely because of the "world community’s" neglect.

In Somalia, "the very absence of a government may have helped nurture an African oddity — a lean and efficient business sector that does not feed at a public trough controlled by corrupt officials," wrote Peter Maas in the May 2001 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. Tele-communications, transportation, and shipping companies were organized up to provide services to the liberated private sector. Internet cafes have sprung up in Mogadishu. Private security firms helped businessmen protect their investments and property.

A recent World Bank study grudgingly admitted: "Somalia boasts lower rates of extreme poverty and, in some cases, better infrastructure than richer countries in Africa." This is almost certainly because it is not cursed with a World Bank-subsidized central government to siphon away the nation’s wealth.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...icle_996.shtml


Somali Businesses Stunted by Too-Free Enterprise

By Ian Fisher


There are five competing airlines here; three phone companies, which have some of the cheapest rates in the world; at least two pasta factories; 45 private hospitals; 55 providers of electricity; 1,500 wholesalers for imported goods; and an infinite number of guys with donkeys who will deliver 55 gallons of clean water to your house for 25 cents.

What Somalia does not have is a government, and in many ways, that makes it the world's purest laboratory for capitalism. No one collects taxes. Business is booming. Libertarians of the world, unite


It is striking that Somalia, unlike many parts of Africa, has achieved this thriving business climate on its own, without the usual aid and advice from rich nations. They have all but disengaged from Somalia since the failure of the United Nations operation here in the early 1990's. Somalis have learned that they are pretty good at making money.

"It's entrepreneurism that's doing it," said Ahmed Abdisalam Adan, director of programs for Horn Afrik, Somalia's first independent radio and television station, established last year. "It's who has more creativity. It's who is willing to take risks. Before it was the government. The government could make you rich one day and poor the next


Tharwa Net-Watch

From the Chaos, It's a Business Boom in Somalia By Abdulkadir Khalif August 18, 2004
Suddenly, letters have started circulating in Mogadishu and other major towns in Somalia. They come from organisations and individuals trying to start business and telephone directories and other collections to provide condensed information for public use.

For many people, this sort of information circulation is a sign of the beginning of peaceful days. It is an indication that despite the anarchy, Somalia is bubbling with enough manufacturers, traders, companies, partnerships, civil organisations and even political factions that may be worth registration.

In the past, the socialist regime in Somalia used to portray private ownership and entrepreneurship as activities of bloodsuckers. It was cursed and discredited by all good socialist cadres who embraced Karl Marx's Das Capital, a copy of which was to be found on the desk of every policy maker. This new development must be an inverse image of the past.

If directories are published, service industries will certainly feature prominently. A galaxy of schools, colleges, telecommunication utilities, media firms, land, sea and air transporters will have to find space. Manufacturers must be thinking of how to capitalise on these opportunities. They will demand strategic pages where they can illustrate their products and feature their contact addresses.

Despite the insecurity, investors have dared to inject resources into a good number of small and medium-scale initiatives. Machines dotted all over the place churn out pasta, cartons, sponges, sweets, plastic materials, soft drinks, building materials and tools, paper and printing stuff, semi-processed leather and many other industrial and consumer goods. The cottage industry is thriving.

Those engaged in the agricultural and pastoral sector appear to be in a beehive of activity. Indigenous and newly introduced seeds are planted everywhere, giving markets all over Somalia a variety of foodstuffs, fruits and vegetables as well as meat, mainly camel.

Bari region in the far northeastern portion of Somalia used to be classified as an agriculturally unproductive region. Nowadays, however, people in that largely harsh environment are striving to get the most out of the earth by growing crops along dry riverbeds and pumping water from previously inaccessible rocky areas and freshly dug wells for irrigation.

Who could imagine Bossaso town obtaining a reasonable supply of fruits and vegetables from its surroundings? Bulo Burte district in Somalia's central region is experiencing a glut of onions - it can supply the region and across the border to Ethiopia and Djibouti. Even though the success story was a mere fantasy only a decade ago, dealers are beginning to complain of oversupply, crashing prices, with direct effect on profitability.

Wars and serious conflicts are not the only factors affecting farmers and animal herders. The legendary bananas from Juba and Shabelle river basins cannot effectively reach supermarkets in Italy and the Gulf States. Ships loaded with thousands of livestock do not sail from Somali harbours as frequently as they used to. An years-old ban has been hindering these goods from reaching those who cherish them.

Import and export is a booming business. Traders are doing whatever they can to get hold of useful stuff that can sell abroad. Neither traditional nor non-traditional commodities are spared. Even markets for scrap metals that litter all over the place are to be found, especially old military gear and other devices wrecked during the civil war.

The import sector is the most interesting. Town dwellers all over Somalia cannot complain of a shortage of commodities as adroit traders have managed to fill stores with all sorts of goods. Sugar from Brazil, toys from Thailand, trinkets from India and even shotguns from Ukraine all compete for buyers in Mogadishu and elsewhere.

Trade between Somalia and other countries has multiplied. Some people even estimate that the trade volume is so huge that it could be considered one of the biggest in the Horn of Africa, outdoing more politically stable countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia.

Sceptics say Somali traders have become so profit driven as to compromise all values. Environmental and public health concerns have been raised, especially due to deforestation. The prevalence of strange diseases is assumed to be due to consumption of substandard, imported foods and drugs.

In the absence of law enforcing institutions to safeguard investor rights, joint ventures have been founded based on trust. It seems unimaginable that as many as 600 investors could pool their capital in order to initiate and run a single or a chain of businesses. It is not unusual to hear radio announcements calling shareholders for a meeting or news of a company management declaring payment of dividends. But beneficiaries tend to hide their huge income, fearing kidnappers.

Minarets of mosques generally greet visitors to Somalia's urban areas, but in these days the sight of communication transmitters of the shape of Paris's Eiffel Tower is becoming quite common. They are the product of intense competition among telecommunications and media companies who want to send and receive signals through the airwaves.


Business Attraction in Puntland, Somalia

Bossaso city has become a magnet for foreigners who want to invest in Africa. This week alone, there are about half a dozen business people representing Chinese and South Korean corporations in the city. These representatives and others who frequent Puntland want to invest in the region and expand their business to this part of the world. Interested people include wealthy business men from the Middle East.

Puntland (North Eastern Somalia) has not been touched by the country’s civil war and has remained stable after the fall of Somalia’s central government in 1991. It lies on the tip of East Africa and borders Indian Ocean and Red Sea.


in many parts of Somalia, electricity lights up the streets at night (a service sadly lacking in most of neighboring Kenya), while the mobile telephone network is the cheapest in East Africa, and one of the continent's most competitive.

Somalis from the diaspora remit funds into Somalia at a lower cost and faster rate than most other money transfer services worldwide, both formal and informal. A Somali's $250 sent from Galveston, Texas, for example, will arrive at the door of her mother's house in Galkaayo in northeast Somalia 12 hours later, and the transfer fee will be lower than that charged by Western Union or Citibank.

Mogadishu has schools providing elementary, secondary and even tertiary education, as well as television stations, hospitals and medical clinics and even a Coca-Cola bottling plant. Hargeisa has car insurance, Internet cafes, hotels and restaurants, and several Somali airlines operate scheduled services throughout the country. All are private, Somali-run businesses.

Somalia has not fallen into the abyss since the state collapsed precisely because of the efforts of Somalis themselves - both in the diaspora and in Somalia.



NO AIDS PANDEMIC!!

By STEPHANIE NOLEN
Monday, July 25, 2005

XUDDUR, SOMALIA -- They have posters. They have training manuals. They have wipe-off markers. The only thing that the earnest band of AIDS educators in this Somali town don't have is, well, any people with AIDS.

At least none they know of.

The breadth of the AIDS pandemic has led to the idea in the West that the entire continent is ravaged by the disease. But Somalia -- isolated for 14 years since the civil war began and populated by devout Muslims -- has an infection rate of perhaps only 1.5 or 2 per cent of the adult population.

Its isolation has helped to keep the infection rate one of the lowest in Africa at a time when countries to the south are reporting infection rates of 40 per cent of the adult population


TRADE BOOM

The stabilisation of Mogadishu after Islamist leaders ousted US-backed warlords has dealt a blow to pirates and given a boost to business in the Horn of Africa nation, a prominent Somali businessman said.

"We never had business like this before," Abdulkadir Nur, who manages the strategic El Maan port just north of the Somali capital, said as six ships from Dubai unloaded wood, sugar and cooking oil on the beach behind him.

A bustling, natural port with 10,000 workers and an annual discharge of some 300,000 tonnes of food, El Maan’s facilities are an object lesson in Somali ingenuity. A single, floating pipe offloads oil from a tanker just a few hundred metres offshore. Further down the beach, barges bulging with wood, sacks of sugar, and cooking oil containers ferry backwards and forwards from waiting ships.

Source: Reuters, June 18, 2006




SoSh(Somali Shilling)


the SoSh's stability is reflected by the fact that in parts of neighboring Ethiopia the SoSh is more extensivly used than Ethiopia's own currency (:2003 :144) In fact prior to the last large monetary injection in Somalia in march 1999 and in 2000 the SoSh showed greater stability than the currencies of Ethiopia and Kenya from 1996 february to 1999 the SoSh depreciated against the US$ only 12.14% Between 1996-1999 the Kenyan shilling lost 32.55% against the US$ and the Ethiopian birr depreciated against the dollar 26.58% -Peter Leeson "better of stateless"


AIRLINES

1# Daallo Airlines


It may surprise you that we have been around for over 12 years. The company has grown from humble beginning with one Cessna aircraft in 1991, to become one of the largest flights network in Africa. Daallo Airlines is nominated as one of the show case success stories in Africa by Mr. Fick, David S, in his book of "Entrepreneurship in Africa: A study of Success".

2# Air Somalia

3# Inter Somalia

4# Jubba Airways

5# Somali Airlines

Future projects



The Horn of Africa Free Zone Authority, will be constructing a free port on the peninsula Hafun. On the map of Somalia, Hafun is that body of land which doesn't look like its part of the land mass that is Somalia but is extending outwards from the Puntland area. The group is currently putting the concrete and the basic foundation of this future city. It is 200 square miles, enough for major hotels, beaches, or other buildings to be created. Seeing that Somalia will become a likely in let for business with the African continent, Hafun seems like an unbeatable investment. HAFZA will be publically traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX).

the new mega complex of the mogadishu university that's being build right now



http://www.webometrics.info/top100_c...ont=africa.htm

Somalia has three universities in the top 100 one surpassing Ethiopia Sudan and Ghana




home grown doctors,professors,engineers,physicians,teachers,n urses


we do everything on our own no DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS OR LIVE AID b.s

somalis are born entrepreneurs

somalia today is experiencing the worst drought in 40 years if you going to criticize them for asking international help then you should also criticize the asian countries with governments that asked for aid during the Tsunami disaster

somalis did the impossible they prospered

when it comes to communications systems somalia is more advanced than ethiopia and kenya

when it comes to trade Somalia's trade network is considered the biggest in the horn of africa

Somalia is attracting foreign investors from all over asia

Somalia's university surpasses Ethiopia Sudan and Ghana

Somalia's private sector is building schools hospitals and roads

Somalia's daallo airlines has become one of the biggest flight networks in africa

Somalia's currency is more stable then the ones from Kenya and Ethiopia and is even used more frequently in those countries

Somalia thanks to the beautiful religion islam doesn't have a aids pandemic so you won't have the situation where a whole generation is missing because of that disease

Somalia's prosperous diaspora annually pomp 2 billion$ into somalia

The same diaspora is also creating new business connections in different continents for somalia

no wonder our brothers and sisters in Ogaden want to be part of somalia

no wonder thousands of ethiopians are now heading for bossaaso seeking refuge from the tyrant regime of meles zenawi

somalis are born entrepreneurs and they succeeded without a government or international aid

masha-allah


i love my country it's beautiful






masha-allah :eek:
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AHMED_GUREY
07-01-2006, 07:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
Yes but you have not seen me side with what is a repressive quasi-Marxist state either have you? I think that the outstanding problems of the world should be solved peacefully if at all. So if it is part of Ethiopia now, Ogaden ought to stay where it is unless there is a very pressing reason to do anything. Even then. What about the Somalis suffering? They look quite well off to me - at least in comparison with the Somalis of Somalia.
i don't what picture you have of my country

but let me show you some facts

World bank

Somalia flourished precisely because of the "world community’s" neglect.

In Somalia, "the very absence of a government may have helped nurture an African oddity — a lean and efficient business sector that does not feed at a public trough controlled by corrupt officials," wrote Peter Maas in the May 2001 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. Tele-communications, transportation, and shipping companies were organized up to provide services to the liberated private sector. Internet cafes have sprung up in Mogadishu. Private security firms helped businessmen protect their investments and property.

A recent World Bank study grudgingly admitted: "Somalia boasts lower rates of extreme poverty and, in some cases, better infrastructure than richer countries in Africa." This is almost certainly because it is not cursed with a World Bank-subsidized central government to siphon away the nation’s wealth.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...icle_996.shtml


Somali Businesses Stunted by Too-Free Enterprise

By Ian Fisher


There are five competing airlines here; three phone companies, which have some of the cheapest rates in the world; at least two pasta factories; 45 private hospitals; 55 providers of electricity; 1,500 wholesalers for imported goods; and an infinite number of guys with donkeys who will deliver 55 gallons of clean water to your house for 25 cents.

What Somalia does not have is a government, and in many ways, that makes it the world's purest laboratory for capitalism. No one collects taxes. Business is booming. Libertarians of the world, unite


It is striking that Somalia, unlike many parts of Africa, has achieved this thriving business climate on its own, without the usual aid and advice from rich nations. They have all but disengaged from Somalia since the failure of the United Nations operation here in the early 1990's. Somalis have learned that they are pretty good at making money.

"It's entrepreneurism that's doing it," said Ahmed Abdisalam Adan, director of programs for Horn Afrik, Somalia's first independent radio and television station, established last year. "It's who has more creativity. It's who is willing to take risks. Before it was the government. The government could make you rich one day and poor the next


Tharwa Net-Watch

From the Chaos, It's a Business Boom in Somalia By Abdulkadir Khalif August 18, 2004
Suddenly, letters have started circulating in Mogadishu and other major towns in Somalia. They come from organisations and individuals trying to start business and telephone directories and other collections to provide condensed information for public use.

For many people, this sort of information circulation is a sign of the beginning of peaceful days. It is an indication that despite the anarchy, Somalia is bubbling with enough manufacturers, traders, companies, partnerships, civil organisations and even political factions that may be worth registration.

In the past, the socialist regime in Somalia used to portray private ownership and entrepreneurship as activities of bloodsuckers. It was cursed and discredited by all good socialist cadres who embraced Karl Marx's Das Capital, a copy of which was to be found on the desk of every policy maker. This new development must be an inverse image of the past.

If directories are published, service industries will certainly feature prominently. A galaxy of schools, colleges, telecommunication utilities, media firms, land, sea and air transporters will have to find space. Manufacturers must be thinking of how to capitalise on these opportunities. They will demand strategic pages where they can illustrate their products and feature their contact addresses.

Despite the insecurity, investors have dared to inject resources into a good number of small and medium-scale initiatives. Machines dotted all over the place churn out pasta, cartons, sponges, sweets, plastic materials, soft drinks, building materials and tools, paper and printing stuff, semi-processed leather and many other industrial and consumer goods. The cottage industry is thriving.

Those engaged in the agricultural and pastoral sector appear to be in a beehive of activity. Indigenous and newly introduced seeds are planted everywhere, giving markets all over Somalia a variety of foodstuffs, fruits and vegetables as well as meat, mainly camel.

Bari region in the far northeastern portion of Somalia used to be classified as an agriculturally unproductive region. Nowadays, however, people in that largely harsh environment are striving to get the most out of the earth by growing crops along dry riverbeds and pumping water from previously inaccessible rocky areas and freshly dug wells for irrigation.

Who could imagine Bossaso town obtaining a reasonable supply of fruits and vegetables from its surroundings? Bulo Burte district in Somalia's central region is experiencing a glut of onions - it can supply the region and across the border to Ethiopia and Djibouti. Even though the success story was a mere fantasy only a decade ago, dealers are beginning to complain of oversupply, crashing prices, with direct effect on profitability.

Wars and serious conflicts are not the only factors affecting farmers and animal herders. The legendary bananas from Juba and Shabelle river basins cannot effectively reach supermarkets in Italy and the Gulf States. Ships loaded with thousands of livestock do not sail from Somali harbours as frequently as they used to. An years-old ban has been hindering these goods from reaching those who cherish them.

Import and export is a booming business. Traders are doing whatever they can to get hold of useful stuff that can sell abroad. Neither traditional nor non-traditional commodities are spared. Even markets for scrap metals that litter all over the place are to be found, especially old military gear and other devices wrecked during the civil war.

The import sector is the most interesting. Town dwellers all over Somalia cannot complain of a shortage of commodities as adroit traders have managed to fill stores with all sorts of goods. Sugar from Brazil, toys from Thailand, trinkets from India and even shotguns from Ukraine all compete for buyers in Mogadishu and elsewhere.

Trade between Somalia and other countries has multiplied. Some people even estimate that the trade volume is so huge that it could be considered one of the biggest in the Horn of Africa, outdoing more politically stable countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia.

Sceptics say Somali traders have become so profit driven as to compromise all values. Environmental and public health concerns have been raised, especially due to deforestation. The prevalence of strange diseases is assumed to be due to consumption of substandard, imported foods and drugs.

In the absence of law enforcing institutions to safeguard investor rights, joint ventures have been founded based on trust. It seems unimaginable that as many as 600 investors could pool their capital in order to initiate and run a single or a chain of businesses. It is not unusual to hear radio announcements calling shareholders for a meeting or news of a company management declaring payment of dividends. But beneficiaries tend to hide their huge income, fearing kidnappers.

Minarets of mosques generally greet visitors to Somalia's urban areas, but in these days the sight of communication transmitters of the shape of Paris's Eiffel Tower is becoming quite common. They are the product of intense competition among telecommunications and media companies who want to send and receive signals through the airwaves.


Business Attraction in Puntland, Somalia

Bossaso city has become a magnet for foreigners who want to invest in Africa. This week alone, there are about half a dozen business people representing Chinese and South Korean corporations in the city. These representatives and others who frequent Puntland want to invest in the region and expand their business to this part of the world. Interested people include wealthy business men from the Middle East.

Puntland (North Eastern Somalia) has not been touched by the country’s civil war and has remained stable after the fall of Somalia’s central government in 1991. It lies on the tip of East Africa and borders Indian Ocean and Red Sea.


in many parts of Somalia, electricity lights up the streets at night (a service sadly lacking in most of neighboring Kenya), while the mobile telephone network is the cheapest in East Africa, and one of the continent's most competitive.

Somalis from the diaspora remit funds into Somalia at a lower cost and faster rate than most other money transfer services worldwide, both formal and informal. A Somali's $250 sent from Galveston, Texas, for example, will arrive at the door of her mother's house in Galkaayo in northeast Somalia 12 hours later, and the transfer fee will be lower than that charged by Western Union or Citibank.

Mogadishu has schools providing elementary, secondary and even tertiary education, as well as television stations, hospitals and medical clinics and even a Coca-Cola bottling plant. Hargeisa has car insurance, Internet cafes, hotels and restaurants, and several Somali airlines operate scheduled services throughout the country. All are private, Somali-run businesses.

Somalia has not fallen into the abyss since the state collapsed precisely because of the efforts of Somalis themselves - both in the diaspora and in Somalia.



NO AIDS PANDEMIC!!

By STEPHANIE NOLEN
Monday, July 25, 2005

XUDDUR, SOMALIA -- They have posters. They have training manuals. They have wipe-off markers. The only thing that the earnest band of AIDS educators in this Somali town don't have is, well, any people with AIDS.

At least none they know of.

The breadth of the AIDS pandemic has led to the idea in the West that the entire continent is ravaged by the disease. But Somalia -- isolated for 14 years since the civil war began and populated by devout Muslims -- has an infection rate of perhaps only 1.5 or 2 per cent of the adult population.

Its isolation has helped to keep the infection rate one of the lowest in Africa at a time when countries to the south are reporting infection rates of 40 per cent of the adult population


TRADE BOOM

The stabilisation of Mogadishu after Islamist leaders ousted US-backed warlords has dealt a blow to pirates and given a boost to business in the Horn of Africa nation, a prominent Somali businessman said.

"We never had business like this before," Abdulkadir Nur, who manages the strategic El Maan port just north of the Somali capital, said as six ships from Dubai unloaded wood, sugar and cooking oil on the beach behind him.

A bustling, natural port with 10,000 workers and an annual discharge of some 300,000 tonnes of food, El Maan’s facilities are an object lesson in Somali ingenuity. A single, floating pipe offloads oil from a tanker just a few hundred metres offshore. Further down the beach, barges bulging with wood, sacks of sugar, and cooking oil containers ferry backwards and forwards from waiting ships.

Source: Reuters, June 18, 2006




SoSh(Somali Shilling)


the SoSh's stability is reflected by the fact that in parts of neighboring Ethiopia the SoSh is more extensivly used than Ethiopia's own currency (:2003 :144) In fact prior to the last large monetary injection in Somalia in march 1999 and in 2000 the SoSh showed greater stability than the currencies of Ethiopia and Kenya from 1996 february to 1999 the SoSh depreciated against the US$ only 12.14% Between 1996-1999 the Kenyan shilling lost 32.55% against the US$ and the Ethiopian birr depreciated against the dollar 26.58% -Peter Leeson "better of stateless"


AIRLINES

1# Daallo Airlines


It may surprise you that we have been around for over 12 years. The company has grown from humble beginning with one Cessna aircraft in 1991, to become one of the largest flights network in Africa. Daallo Airlines is nominated as one of the show case success stories in Africa by Mr. Fick, David S, in his book of "Entrepreneurship in Africa: A study of Success".

2# Air Somalia

3# Inter Somalia

4# Jubba Airways

5# Somali Airlines

Future projects



The Horn of Africa Free Zone Authority, will be constructing a free port on the peninsula Hafun. On the map of Somalia, Hafun is that body of land which doesn't look like its part of the land mass that is Somalia but is extending outwards from the Puntland area. The group is currently putting the concrete and the basic foundation of this future city. It is 200 square miles, enough for major hotels, beaches, or other buildings to be created. Seeing that Somalia will become a likely in let for business with the African continent, Hafun seems like an unbeatable investment. HAFZA will be publically traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX).

the new mega complex of the mogadishu university that's being build right now



http://www.webometrics.info/top100_c...ont=africa.htm

Somalia has three universities in the top 100 one surpassing Ethiopia Sudan and Ghana




home grown doctors,professors,engineers,physicians,teachers,n urses


we do everything on our own no DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS OR LIVE AID b.s

somalis are born entrepreneurs

somalia today is experiencing the worst drought in 40 years if you going to criticize them for asking international help then you should also criticize the asian countries with governments that asked for aid during the Tsunami disaster

somalis did the impossible they prospered

when it comes to communications systems somalia is more advanced than ethiopia and kenya

when it comes to trade Somalia's trade network is considered the biggest in the horn of africa

Somalia is attracting foreign investors from all over asia

Somalia's university surpasses Ethiopia Sudan and Ghana

Somalia's private sector is building schools hospitals and roads

Somalia's daallo airlines has become one of the biggest flight networks in africa

Somalia's currency is more stable then the ones from Kenya and Ethiopia and is even used more frequently in those countries

Somalia thanks to the beautiful religion islam doesn't have a aids pandemic so you won't have the situation where a whole generation is missing because of that disease

Somalia's prosperous diaspora annually pomp 2 billion$ into somalia

The same diaspora is also creating new business connections in different continents for somalia

no wonder our brothers and sisters in Ogaden want to be part of somalia

no wonder thousands of ethiopians are now heading for bossaaso seeking refuge from the tyrant regime of meles zenawi

somalis are born entrepreneurs and they succeeded without a government or international aid

masha-allah


i love my country it's beautiful






masha-allah :eek:
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-01-2006, 09:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY
i don't what picture you have of my country

but let me show you some facts

World bank

Somalia flourished precisely because of the "world community’s" neglect.

In Somalia, "the very absence of a government may have helped nurture an African oddity — a lean and efficient business sector that does not feed at a public trough controlled by corrupt officials," wrote Peter Maas in the May 2001 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. Tele-communications, transportation, and shipping companies were organized up to provide services to the liberated private sector. Internet cafes have sprung up in Mogadishu. Private security firms helped businessmen protect their investments and property.

A recent World Bank study grudgingly admitted: "Somalia boasts lower rates of extreme poverty and, in some cases, better infrastructure than richer countries in Africa." This is almost certainly because it is not cursed with a World Bank-subsidized central government to siphon away the nation’s wealth.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...icle_996.shtml


Somali Businesses Stunted by Too-Free Enterprise

By Ian Fisher


There are five competing airlines here; three phone companies, which have some of the cheapest rates in the world; at least two pasta factories; 45 private hospitals; 55 providers of electricity; 1,500 wholesalers for imported goods; and an infinite number of guys with donkeys who will deliver 55 gallons of clean water to your house for 25 cents.

What Somalia does not have is a government, and in many ways, that makes it the world's purest laboratory for capitalism. No one collects taxes. Business is booming. Libertarians of the world, unite


It is striking that Somalia, unlike many parts of Africa, has achieved this thriving business climate on its own, without the usual aid and advice from rich nations. They have all but disengaged from Somalia since the failure of the United Nations operation here in the early 1990's. Somalis have learned that they are pretty good at making money.

"It's entrepreneurism that's doing it," said Ahmed Abdisalam Adan, director of programs for Horn Afrik, Somalia's first independent radio and television station, established last year. "It's who has more creativity. It's who is willing to take risks. Before it was the government. The government could make you rich one day and poor the next


Tharwa Net-Watch

From the Chaos, It's a Business Boom in Somalia By Abdulkadir Khalif August 18, 2004
Suddenly, letters have started circulating in Mogadishu and other major towns in Somalia. They come from organisations and individuals trying to start business and telephone directories and other collections to provide condensed information for public use.

For many people, this sort of information circulation is a sign of the beginning of peaceful days. It is an indication that despite the anarchy, Somalia is bubbling with enough manufacturers, traders, companies, partnerships, civil organisations and even political factions that may be worth registration.

In the past, the socialist regime in Somalia used to portray private ownership and entrepreneurship as activities of bloodsuckers. It was cursed and discredited by all good socialist cadres who embraced Karl Marx's Das Capital, a copy of which was to be found on the desk of every policy maker. This new development must be an inverse image of the past.

If directories are published, service industries will certainly feature prominently. A galaxy of schools, colleges, telecommunication utilities, media firms, land, sea and air transporters will have to find space. Manufacturers must be thinking of how to capitalise on these opportunities. They will demand strategic pages where they can illustrate their products and feature their contact addresses.

Despite the insecurity, investors have dared to inject resources into a good number of small and medium-scale initiatives. Machines dotted all over the place churn out pasta, cartons, sponges, sweets, plastic materials, soft drinks, building materials and tools, paper and printing stuff, semi-processed leather and many other industrial and consumer goods. The cottage industry is thriving.

Those engaged in the agricultural and pastoral sector appear to be in a beehive of activity. Indigenous and newly introduced seeds are planted everywhere, giving markets all over Somalia a variety of foodstuffs, fruits and vegetables as well as meat, mainly camel.

Bari region in the far northeastern portion of Somalia used to be classified as an agriculturally unproductive region. Nowadays, however, people in that largely harsh environment are striving to get the most out of the earth by growing crops along dry riverbeds and pumping water from previously inaccessible rocky areas and freshly dug wells for irrigation.

Who could imagine Bossaso town obtaining a reasonable supply of fruits and vegetables from its surroundings? Bulo Burte district in Somalia's central region is experiencing a glut of onions - it can supply the region and across the border to Ethiopia and Djibouti. Even though the success story was a mere fantasy only a decade ago, dealers are beginning to complain of oversupply, crashing prices, with direct effect on profitability.

Wars and serious conflicts are not the only factors affecting farmers and animal herders. The legendary bananas from Juba and Shabelle river basins cannot effectively reach supermarkets in Italy and the Gulf States. Ships loaded with thousands of livestock do not sail from Somali harbours as frequently as they used to. An years-old ban has been hindering these goods from reaching those who cherish them.

Import and export is a booming business. Traders are doing whatever they can to get hold of useful stuff that can sell abroad. Neither traditional nor non-traditional commodities are spared. Even markets for scrap metals that litter all over the place are to be found, especially old military gear and other devices wrecked during the civil war.

The import sector is the most interesting. Town dwellers all over Somalia cannot complain of a shortage of commodities as adroit traders have managed to fill stores with all sorts of goods. Sugar from Brazil, toys from Thailand, trinkets from India and even shotguns from Ukraine all compete for buyers in Mogadishu and elsewhere.

Trade between Somalia and other countries has multiplied. Some people even estimate that the trade volume is so huge that it could be considered one of the biggest in the Horn of Africa, outdoing more politically stable countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia.

Sceptics say Somali traders have become so profit driven as to compromise all values. Environmental and public health concerns have been raised, especially due to deforestation. The prevalence of strange diseases is assumed to be due to consumption of substandard, imported foods and drugs.

In the absence of law enforcing institutions to safeguard investor rights, joint ventures have been founded based on trust. It seems unimaginable that as many as 600 investors could pool their capital in order to initiate and run a single or a chain of businesses. It is not unusual to hear radio announcements calling shareholders for a meeting or news of a company management declaring payment of dividends. But beneficiaries tend to hide their huge income, fearing kidnappers.

Minarets of mosques generally greet visitors to Somalia's urban areas, but in these days the sight of communication transmitters of the shape of Paris's Eiffel Tower is becoming quite common. They are the product of intense competition among telecommunications and media companies who want to send and receive signals through the airwaves.


Business Attraction in Puntland, Somalia

Bossaso city has become a magnet for foreigners who want to invest in Africa. This week alone, there are about half a dozen business people representing Chinese and South Korean corporations in the city. These representatives and others who frequent Puntland want to invest in the region and expand their business to this part of the world. Interested people include wealthy business men from the Middle East.

Puntland (North Eastern Somalia) has not been touched by the country’s civil war and has remained stable after the fall of Somalia’s central government in 1991. It lies on the tip of East Africa and borders Indian Ocean and Red Sea.


in many parts of Somalia, electricity lights up the streets at night (a service sadly lacking in most of neighboring Kenya), while the mobile telephone network is the cheapest in East Africa, and one of the continent's most competitive.

Somalis from the diaspora remit funds into Somalia at a lower cost and faster rate than most other money transfer services worldwide, both formal and informal. A Somali's $250 sent from Galveston, Texas, for example, will arrive at the door of her mother's house in Galkaayo in northeast Somalia 12 hours later, and the transfer fee will be lower than that charged by Western Union or Citibank.

Mogadishu has schools providing elementary, secondary and even tertiary education, as well as television stations, hospitals and medical clinics and even a Coca-Cola bottling plant. Hargeisa has car insurance, Internet cafes, hotels and restaurants, and several Somali airlines operate scheduled services throughout the country. All are private, Somali-run businesses.

Somalia has not fallen into the abyss since the state collapsed precisely because of the efforts of Somalis themselves - both in the diaspora and in Somalia.



NO AIDS PANDEMIC!!

By STEPHANIE NOLEN
Monday, July 25, 2005

XUDDUR, SOMALIA -- They have posters. They have training manuals. They have wipe-off markers. The only thing that the earnest band of AIDS educators in this Somali town don't have is, well, any people with AIDS.

At least none they know of.

The breadth of the AIDS pandemic has led to the idea in the West that the entire continent is ravaged by the disease. But Somalia -- isolated for 14 years since the civil war began and populated by devout Muslims -- has an infection rate of perhaps only 1.5 or 2 per cent of the adult population.

Its isolation has helped to keep the infection rate one of the lowest in Africa at a time when countries to the south are reporting infection rates of 40 per cent of the adult population


TRADE BOOM

The stabilisation of Mogadishu after Islamist leaders ousted US-backed warlords has dealt a blow to pirates and given a boost to business in the Horn of Africa nation, a prominent Somali businessman said.

"We never had business like this before," Abdulkadir Nur, who manages the strategic El Maan port just north of the Somali capital, said as six ships from Dubai unloaded wood, sugar and cooking oil on the beach behind him.

A bustling, natural port with 10,000 workers and an annual discharge of some 300,000 tonnes of food, El Maan’s facilities are an object lesson in Somali ingenuity. A single, floating pipe offloads oil from a tanker just a few hundred metres offshore. Further down the beach, barges bulging with wood, sacks of sugar, and cooking oil containers ferry backwards and forwards from waiting ships.

Source: Reuters, June 18, 2006




SoSh(Somali Shilling)


the SoSh's stability is reflected by the fact that in parts of neighboring Ethiopia the SoSh is more extensivly used than Ethiopia's own currency (:2003 :144) In fact prior to the last large monetary injection in Somalia in march 1999 and in 2000 the SoSh showed greater stability than the currencies of Ethiopia and Kenya from 1996 february to 1999 the SoSh depreciated against the US$ only 12.14% Between 1996-1999 the Kenyan shilling lost 32.55% against the US$ and the Ethiopian birr depreciated against the dollar 26.58% -Peter Leeson "better of stateless"


AIRLINES

1# Daallo Airlines

http://www.daallo.com/images/profile_img.jpghttp://www.daallo.com/images/title.gifhttp://www.daallo.com/images/profile_img2.jpg
It may surprise you that we have been around for over 12 years. The company has grown from humble beginning with one Cessna aircraft in 1991, to become one of the largest flights network in Africa. Daallo Airlines is nominated as one of the show case success stories in Africa by Mr. Fick, David S, in his book of "Entrepreneurship in Africa: A study of Success".

2# Air Somalia

3# Inter Somalia

4# Jubba Airways

5# Somali Airlines

Future projects

http://www.hafza.com/folder1/Hafun_Future.jpg

The Horn of Africa Free Zone Authority, will be constructing a free port on the peninsula Hafun. On the map of Somalia, Hafun is that body of land which doesn't look like its part of the land mass that is Somalia but is extending outwards from the Puntland area. The group is currently putting the concrete and the basic foundation of this future city. It is 200 square miles, enough for major hotels, beaches, or other buildings to be created. Seeing that Somalia will become a likely in let for business with the African continent, Hafun seems like an unbeatable investment. HAFZA will be publically traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX).

the new mega complex of the mogadishu university that's being build right now

http://www.mogadishuuniversity.com/a...IMAGES/muj.gif

http://www.webometrics.info/top100_c...ont=africa.htm

Somalia has three universities in the top 100 one surpassing Ethiopia Sudan and Ghana

http://www.halganews.com/jaamacada/s8.jpg
http://www.halganews.com/jaamacada/s9.jpg

home grown doctors,professors,engineers,physicians,teachers,n urses


we do everything on our own no DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS OR LIVE AID b.s

somalis are born entrepreneurs

somalia today is experiencing the worst drought in 40 years if you going to criticize them for asking international help then you should also criticize the asian countries with governments that asked for aid during the Tsunami disaster

somalis did the impossible they prospered

when it comes to communications systems somalia is more advanced than ethiopia and kenya

when it comes to trade Somalia's trade network is considered the biggest in the horn of africa

Somalia is attracting foreign investors from all over asia

Somalia's university surpasses Ethiopia Sudan and Ghana

Somalia's private sector is building schools hospitals and roads

Somalia's daallo airlines has become one of the biggest flight networks in africa

Somalia's currency is more stable then the ones from Kenya and Ethiopia and is even used more frequently in those countries

Somalia thanks to the beautiful religion islam doesn't have a aids pandemic so you won't have the situation where a whole generation is missing because of that disease

Somalia's prosperous diaspora annually pomp 2 billion$ into somalia

The same diaspora is also creating new business connections in different continents for somalia

no wonder our brothers and sisters in Ogaden want to be part of somalia

no wonder thousands of ethiopians are now heading for bossaaso seeking refuge from the tyrant regime of meles zenawi

somalis are born entrepreneurs and they succeeded without a government or international aid

masha-allah


i love my country it's beautiful
http://www.somalitalk.com/dhisme/muq3.jpg
http://p.vtourist.com/866790-Beach_sunset-Somalia.jpg
http://www.radiodaljir.com/audio/200...es/nature5.jpg


masha-allah :eek:
Oh MASHA-ALLAH.... i've seen that last picture before. Soo beautiful, subhanAllah.
You only see the pictures of the war-torn parts of Somalia on the news. The first time I saw a video of where my older brothers and sisters grew up, I was astonished. I never knew my country was that beautiful. Let's just say I had some next picture in my mind.
W'salaam
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Taqiyah
07-01-2006, 09:48 PM
Asalama Alikum........:sister:

Masha Allah.........Somalia is so beautiful:statisfie and in no time it is gonna get prettier and prettier InshaAllah:statisfie Awesome;D Yayyyyy.............!!!!!!
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Wahid
07-02-2006, 12:31 AM
Salaam
May Allah (swt) bless the Islamic court it Somalia and Mujahdeen Shura council in Iraq Amen. They are doing a fine job in protecting Muslims from foreigners and corrupt governments
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AHMED_GUREY
07-02-2006, 12:53 AM
UNGRATEFUL CHILD: Melez Zenaawi & Somalia

Ogaden Online Editorial Board

If Somali government officials in the 1970's and early 80's were told that soon after the new millennium, Ethiopia would be seeking to convince the international community that it's military operations in Somalia were justified, that would come as no surprise. If you then mentioned that Melez Zenaawi would be the one leading this Ethiopian charge the reaction would probably have been one of disbelief.

After all, Melez Zenaawi and other leaders of the Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF) the ruling core of the Ethiopian Peoples Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) enjoyed unprecedented hospitality by the Mogadishu government. It is an open secret that during his struggle to remove Marxist Dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam, Zenaawi travelled with a Diplomatic Somali passport. Everywhere he went he was greeted with open arms by Somali government officials. To the Somalis, he was an adopted son of sorts. Like their brethren in Ogaden, Zenaawi was struggling for self-determination (at least that is what he said).

But those familiar with Zenaawi during his stay in Mogadishu recall his intense jealousy for assistance Somalia gave the Eritrean Peoples Liberation Front (EPLF). One former Somali official in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs told Ogaden Online "He was always telling us we should give him what we gave the Eritreans, every time he compared his situation with that of the Eritreans and tried to convince us he had a better chance to succeed against Mengistu than the EPLF"

But despite his envy of the EPLF Zenawi was clearly in no position to complain. Not only was he given a Somali diplomatic passport, but his TPLF was given an office and an expense account all paid for by Somali tax payers.

Zenaawi was also reportedly eager to gain favor among Arab nations, something he felt Somalia was clearly in a good position to get him. Unlike the Eritreans, the TPLF had limited contacts with the Arab world and desperately sought introduction to Arab diplomats in Mogadishu at every opportunity.

On Ogaden, Zenaawi is reported on more than one occasion to have strongly expressed that "Ethiopia is an Empire State artificially patched together" going on to say that all that would change once the oppressed overthrew mengistu.

Zenaawi did not spend all his time lobbying in Mogadishu however, he is reported to have enjoyed frequenting hotel restaurants and playing pool with Somali intelligence officers from the National Security Service (NSS).

While he was also a frequent visitor of the beaches along Mogadishu, he reportedly never went in the water because he could not swim.

Even when his hairline was just beginning to recede, he is reported to have been mocked by other TPLF comrades as having a striking resemblance to Lenin, something he was very proud of.

Following the cease fire agreement between Somali president Siad Barre and Ethiopian leader Mengistu Haile Mariam in 1988 requiring each nation to stop supporting the others armed opponents, Zenaawi was still allowed to keep his Somali diplomatic passport and even secretly visited Mogadishu on more than one occasion from Saudi Arabia, a location where the Somali government had arranged for him and other TPLF leaders to stay.

So why then is Zenaawi so eager to interfere in Somalia

Any answer at this point would be little more than speculation, however, what is undeniable is that Zenaawi benefited from Somali hospitality during the TPLF's struggle.

Today, like an ungrateful child, who was nurtured, supported and raised to be in a position to claim power, he has turned back and bit the hand that once fed him. In Somalia's time of need he not only chose not to return the favor, but to extend Somalia's misery by supporting various warlords at different times in the last 10 years. Now Zenaawi sees an opportunity to dominate the political and economic affairs in Somalia and the current war on terrorism is his vehicle of choice. Ironically, he who once benefited from a Somali government, now seeks to destroy the Transitional National Government (TNG) in Mogadishu.

Interesting isn't it how some forget how they were once humble and in need.

The people's in the Horn have long memories. For Somalis, Zenaawi will always be remembered as an ungrateful beneficiary of Somali kindness.

Ogaden Online Editorial Board
---------------------------------------------------------------


and now this parasite of a prime minister has the nerve to talk big:rant:

he came begging to us and we gave him everything

the current eritrean president who just like meles zenawi received support from somalia is unlike zenawi at least returning a helping hand

Islamic courts are the best thing that happend to somalis in the last decade and they will succeed

even the leader who is accused of being an al Q terrorist is planning to resign and put a more moderate leader in charge of the Supreme Islamic Courts cause he has the people's best interest at heart
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AHMED_GUREY
07-02-2006, 12:57 AM
UNGRATEFUL CHILD: Melez Zenaawi & Somalia

Ogaden Online Editorial Board

If Somali government officials in the 1970's and early 80's were told that soon after the new millennium, Ethiopia would be seeking to convince the international community that it's military operations in Somalia were justified, that would come as no surprise. If you then mentioned that Melez Zenaawi would be the one leading this Ethiopian charge the reaction would probably have been one of disbelief.

After all, Melez Zenaawi and other leaders of the Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF) the ruling core of the Ethiopian Peoples Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) enjoyed unprecedented hospitality by the Mogadishu government. It is an open secret that during his struggle to remove Marxist Dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam, Zenaawi travelled with a Diplomatic Somali passport. Everywhere he went he was greeted with open arms by Somali government officials. To the Somalis, he was an adopted son of sorts. Like their brethren in Ogaden, Zenaawi was struggling for self-determination (at least that is what he said).

But those familiar with Zenaawi during his stay in Mogadishu recall his intense jealousy for assistance Somalia gave the Eritrean Peoples Liberation Front (EPLF). One former Somali official in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs told Ogaden Online "He was always telling us we should give him what we gave the Eritreans, every time he compared his situation with that of the Eritreans and tried to convince us he had a better chance to succeed against Mengistu than the EPLF"

But despite his envy of the EPLF Zenaawi was clearly in no position to complain. Not only was he given a Somali diplomatic passport, but his TPLF was given an office and an expense account all paid for by Somali tax payers.

Zenaawi was also reportedly eager to gain favor among Arab nations, something he felt Somalia was clearly in a good position to get him. Unlike the Eritreans, the TPLF had limited contacts with the Arab world and desperately sought introduction to Arab diplomats in Mogadishu at every opportunity.

On Ogaden, Zenaawi is reported on more than one occasion to have strongly expressed that "Ethiopia is an Empire State artificially patched together" going on to say that all that would change once the oppressed overthrew mengistu.

Zenaawi did not spend all his time lobbying in Mogadishu however, he is reported to have enjoyed frequenting hotel restaurants and playing pool with Somali intelligence officers from the National Security Service (NSS).

While he was also a frequent visitor of the beaches along Mogadishu, he reportedly never went in the water because he could not swim.

Even when his hairline was just beginning to recede, he is reported to have been mocked by other TPLF comrades as having a striking resemblance to Lenin, something he was very proud of.

Following the cease fire agreement between Somali president Siad Barre and Ethiopian leader Mengistu Haile Mariam in 1988 requiring each nation to stop supporting the others armed opponents, Zenaawi was still allowed to keep his Somali diplomatic passport and even secretly visited Mogadishu on more than one occasion from Saudi Arabia, a location where the Somali government had arranged for him and other TPLF leaders to stay.

So why then is Zenaawi so eager to interfere in Somalia?

Any answer at this point would be little more than speculation, however, what is undeniable is that Zenaawi benefited from Somali hospitality during the TPLF's struggle.

Today, like an ungrateful child, who was nurtured, supported and raised to be in a position to claim power, he has turned his back and bit the hand that once fed him. In Somalia's time of need he not only chose not to return the favor, but to extend Somalia's misery by supporting various warlords at different times in the last 10 years. Now Zenaawi sees an opportunity to dominate the political and economic affairs in Somalia and the current war on terrorism is his vehicle of choice. Ironically, he who once benefited from a Somali government, now seeks to destroy the Transitional National Government (TNG) in Mogadishu.

Interesting isn't it how some forget how they were once humble and in need.

The people's in the Horn have long memories. For Somalis, Zenaawi will always be remembered as an ungrateful beneficiary of Somali kindness.

Ogaden Online Editorial Board
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and now this parasite of a prime minister has the nerve to talk big:rant:

he came begging to us and we gave him everything

the current eritrean president who just like meles zenawi received support from somalia is unlike zenawi at least returning a helping hand

Islamic courts are the best thing that happend to somalis in the last decade and they will succeed

even the leader who is accused of being an al Q terrorist is planning to resign and put a more moderate leader in charge of the Supreme Islamic Courts cause he has the people's best interest at heart
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AHMED_GUREY
07-02-2006, 01:02 AM
sister Taqiyah and brother Vahid thanks for your kind words :statisfie :shade:
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snakelegs
07-02-2006, 05:49 AM
durrah and ahmed,
thank you for your informative articles. i know almost nothing about your country or its history.
i hope your people will know peace.
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Nabil-Munsif
07-02-2006, 06:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
You know the joke about the Cannibal who goes out hunting with three pygmies? He comes back with two. The next day he goes out with two, comes back with one. The next day he calls on the last one to come with him and the other pygmies say "Umm, do you think you ought to go?" and the last pygmy says "Why not? So far so good".

Surely given Ethiopia's history it can no more welcome radical Islamists next door than it could welcome, well, words fail me. Draw your own analogy.
Let's not continue, I think this thread is backbiting and hateful one to target other groups of Muslims, it's only dividing and making enemies amongst us.

P.S. I'm Somalian and I'm surprised at what you think of Somalians, you think them as a savage race, you should be warned or banned in my opinion.

:threadclo
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-02-2006, 08:54 PM
Alot of people do not know all the facts about Somalia. Things aren't always the way the media portrays it.
W'salaam
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Sister_6038
07-02-2006, 09:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
Alot of people do not know all the facts about Somalia. Things aren't always the way the media portrays it.
W'salaam
hear hear!! i agree!! i doo testify!!

but seriously the media is so messed up!!
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HeiGou
07-03-2006, 06:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nabil-Munsif
Let's not continue, I think this thread is backbiting and hateful one to target other groups of Muslims, it's only dividing and making enemies amongst us.
It is a pity that you're right, but surely the sensible thing would be for the Somali government-in-waiting not to threaten its neighbors?

P.S. I'm Somalian and I'm surprised at what you think of Somalians, you think them as a savage race, you should be warned or banned in my opinion.
I am sorry you think I think that. Because I don't. Do I think that the new Somali regime has threatened Ethiopia? Yes I do, but they do not have to be savage to do that. No doubt I will be banned soon. It will, no doubt, be good for me.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-03-2006, 09:06 PM
Why do you think you will be banned HeiGou? Are you by any chance provoking the mods to do that?
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searcheroftruth
07-04-2006, 04:12 PM
Ethiopian goverment are threatened by a somalia united with islamic law
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HeiGou
07-04-2006, 04:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by searcheroftruth
Ethiopian goverment are threatened by a somalia united with islamic law
And of course that whole thing about invading Ethiopia to liberate Ogaden.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-04-2006, 08:08 PM
The people of Ogeden don't want to be part of Ethiopia. That's why the Ethiopian government is persecuting them.
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Ghazi
07-04-2006, 08:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
The people of Ogeden don't want to be part of Ethiopia. That's why the Ethiopian government is persecuting them.
:sl:

I'll be the first to admit my knowladge of my home country isn't that great but whats this i hear of land under occupation, plz educate me.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
07-05-2006, 10:28 AM
Read AHMED GUREY's posts in this thread. You might find them quite benficial.
W'salaam
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HeiGou
07-05-2006, 02:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed
The people of Ogeden don't want to be part of Ethiopia. That's why the Ethiopian government is persecuting them.
Sorry? I must have missed the vote on that. When did they hold a referendum to hear what the people of Ogaden wanted?
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AHMED_GUREY
07-06-2006, 08:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
Sorry? I must have missed the vote on that. When did they hold a referendum to hear what the people of Ogaden wanted?
i think two wars where 15 thousand somali soldiers and 19 thousand ethiopian,cuban,russian soldiers died holds more water than a referendum

and since we are talking about ethiopia where the largest majority the oromo people can't even come to power because the election were rigged i think it's best we put that silly referendum aside

On 30 May 2005 Ogaden liberation fighters entered a colonial Ethiopian military base in Shilabo town at night after killing the base's guards. They killed over 40 enemy Ethiopian soldiers at the base.

In the three days consecutive fighting, the ONLF claims killing 67 government soldiers and capturing several of them.

On 12 June 2005 over 60 enemy soldiers were killed when two vehicles they were travelling in were destroyed at Lih-Irridod

On 13 June 2005 seven enemy soldiers were killed and five others were wounded at La-Helow. On the same date colonial Ethiopia sent a large number of troops to a place called Qamuda with an objective of conducting a military operation. After learning of their massing, Ogaden liberation forces attacked the Ethiopian soldiers, killing 62 of them


etc etc

somalis in Ogaden want to be part of the recovering Somalia who's rising phoenix like

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...-threat-5.html

:thankyou:
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HeiGou
07-06-2006, 10:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY
i think two wars where 15 thousand somali soldiers and 19 thousand ethiopian,cuban,russian soldiers died holds more water than a referendum
I don't. Soldiers are conscripted. They are told what to do. They have little free choice. Voters vote their conscience. There is no comparison between a war of aggression and a referendum.

and since we are talking about ethiopia where the largest majority the oromo people can't even come to power because the election were rigged i think it's best we put that silly referendum aside
So the elections were rigged. Of course. There has to be a reason why your friends failed to win. And it couldn't be because the voters did not support them.

On 30 May 2005 Ogaden liberation fighters entered a colonial Ethiopian military base in Shilabo town at night after killing the base's guards. They killed over 40 enemy Ethiopian soldiers at the base.
So they surprised some conscripts as they slept and murdered them. What does this prove exactly?

No one denies that there are guerillas in Ogaden. What is obvious is that despite controlling parts of Ogaden in 1980 the guerillas were reduced to banditry and still do not control much of the region.

somalis in Ogaden want to be part of the recovering Somalia who's rising phoenix like
And yet the Somalis of Ogaden persistently refuse to rise up and help the guerillas. Odd that isn't it?
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AHMED_GUREY
07-06-2006, 01:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
I don't. Soldiers are conscripted. They are told what to do. They have little free choice. Voters vote their conscience. There is no comparison between a war of aggression and a referendum.
troops are there to protect the citizens of the republic their serving

since the people of Ogaden according to the 1960's constitution of the somali republic are part of the nation the troops have every right to protect it's citizens

so Somali soldiers were there protect their fellow country men

so your claim of it being a war of agression is a non sequitur

ogaden was illigally given to Ethiopia and Somalia never recognised it as being part of Ethiopia


So the elections were rigged. Of course. There has to be a reason why your friends failed to win. And it couldn't be because the voters did not support them.
when a group that is the majority in Ethiopia and is estimated to exceed the 35 million mark goes to the election and vote but still doesn't receive power but a regime that has been commiting gross human rights violations against this group wins then you know something isn't right

why do you think BBC was banned from Ethiopia??


So they surprised some conscripts as they slept and murdered them. What does this prove exactly?

No one denies that there are guerillas in Ogaden. What is obvious is that despite controlling parts of Ogaden in 1980 the guerillas were reduced to banditry and still do not control much of the region.
Thus on the fourteenth of April four battalions from Laaso-aano village and Shilaabo District, 90 Kms East of Qabridaharre attacked the Ogaden liberation army at Caleen (Aleen) in the Qabri-daharre region. ONLF was well prepared and the Ethiopian army was routed, burning two Ural vehicles and destroying their ammunition and logistics. About 190 dead Ethiopian soldiers were counted by the liberation fighters. The rest of the Ethiopian army scattered and hundreds of small arms and thousands of rounds of ammunitions were recovered from the site. On the ONLF side five liberation fighters
martyred.


these ONLF troops aren't your average guerillas they are well armed and trained

these type of clashes happen every month and show how strong the liberation movement is but since most of the international news agencies are banned there you won't hear much about it


And yet the Somalis of Ogaden persistently refuse to rise up and help the guerillas. Odd that isn't it?
first of all show me sources that state the people don't back the liberation movement

the majority does

so the burden of proof is on your side

why do you think they are being prosecuted by this regime??

it's because there supporting the liberation movement

Ethiopia article 39

Every Nation, Nationality and People in Ethiopia has an unconditional right to self-determination, including the right to secession

When the Federal Government has organized a referendum which must take place within three years from the time it received the concerned council’s decision for secession;



on 28 January 1994, at a press conference in Addis Ababa, ONLF called for a referendum on self-determination and independence for the Ogaden. And on 22 February 1994, a cold-blood massacre took place in the town of Wardheer, where more than 81 unarmed civilians were killed by TPLF militias, who tried to kill or capture alive the chairman of the ONLF Mr. Ibrahim Abdalla Mohamed, who was addressing at that time a peaceful rally in the centre of the town.

referendums have been called for in the past and everytime they were denied so the ONLF continues till this day protecting it's people untill the somali republic re-emerges
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HeiGou
07-06-2006, 04:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY
troops are there to protect the citizens of the republic their serving
Is that what the Ethiopians are doing in Ogaden? Don't tell Umm Shaheed that as she may get a little cross with you.

since the people of Ogaden according to the 1960's constitution of the somali republic are part of the nation the troops have every right to protect it's citizens
So because the Somalis claim that Ogaden is part of Somalia, it is? The Republic of Ireland claims Northern Ireland still. Does that mean it is part of the Republic Ireland? If George Bushy changed the Constitution so that Iraq was part of the United States, would it be part of the United States?

so Somali soldiers were there protect their fellow country men
No, they are there to "protect" someone else's fellow countrymen. Ogaden is part of Ethiopia whatever Somalia might think. Nor does that change anything. Israeli soldiers are in the West Bank to protect their fellow countrymen. Doesn't make it right.

so your claim of it being a war of agression is a non sequitur
No it is not. It is still the core issue. It is clear that Somalis around here, and a lot in Somalia, refuse to accept internationally agreed borders. That means peace with them is not possible.

ogaden was illigally given to Ethiopia and Somalia never recognised it as being part of Ethiopia
There is no evidence that Ogaden was given to Ethiopia illegally. And Somali signed a peace treaty with Ethiopia is 1988. Want to bet that amounts to a recognition of it being past of Ethiopia?

when a group that is the majority in Ethiopia and is estimated to exceed the 35 million mark goes to the election and vote but still doesn't receive power but a regime that has been commiting gross human rights violations against this group wins then you know something isn't right
Sorry? There are 35 MILLION Somalis in Ethiopia?

why do you think BBC was banned from Ethiopia??
Usual reasons I suppose.

these ONLF troops aren't your average guerillas they are well armed and trained
Two trucks. They sound pretty average to me. But it is not important because they still haven't won despite twenty years trying and so they clearly lack popular support.

first of all show me sources that state the people don't back the liberation movement

the majority does
If the majority did they would have won by now. They have not.

referendums have been called for in the past and everytime they were denied so the ONLF continues till this day protecting it's people untill the somali republic re-emerges
Uh huh.
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AHMED_GUREY
07-07-2006, 01:41 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou
Is that what the Ethiopians are doing in Ogaden? Don't tell Umm Shaheed that as she may get a little cross with you.
don't switch it

with republic i ment somali republic and with troops i ment somali troops

So because the Somalis claim that Ogaden is part of Somalia, it is? The Republic of Ireland claims Northern Ireland still. Does that mean it is part of the Republic Ireland? If George Bushy changed the Constitution so that Iraq was part of the United States, would it be part of the United States?
your comparing apples with oranges

the people of ogaden want to be part of somalia the people of Iraq don't want be part of the U.S

Ethiopia made article 39 not Somalia so it's hypocritical that it doesn't practice what it preaches


No, they are there to "protect" someone else's fellow countrymen. Ogaden is part of Ethiopia whatever Somalia might think. Nor does that change anything. Israeli soldiers are in the West Bank to protect their fellow countrymen. Doesn't make it right.
according to the 1896 agreement it was never part of ethiopia therefore it was iligally given away

so the somali republic had every right to protect it's citizens


No it is not. It is still the core issue. It is clear that Somalis around here, and a lot in Somalia, refuse to accept internationally agreed borders. That means peace with them is not possible.
we will never accept them

wether you like it or not it's not my problem

for a people to live in peace they have to be given the right for self determination untill they received what's rightfully theirs ''the right for self determination'' there will never be peace

There is no evidence that Ogaden was given to Ethiopia illegally. And Somali signed a peace treaty with Ethiopia is 1988. Want to bet that amounts to a recognition of it being past of Ethiopia?
both parties agreed to stop supporting rebels from both nations

one of those rebel groups supported by Somalia is today in power

but somalia still didn't recognise ogaden as being part of ethiopia so it really amounts to nothing

Sorry? There are 35 MILLION Somalis in Ethiopia?
this is the problem with you

you have problems processing info presented to you

i said allready in my earlier reply ''Oromo's'' are the majority in Ethiopia

Two trucks. They sound pretty average to me. But it is not important because they still haven't won despite twenty years trying and so they clearly lack popular support.
If the majority did they would have won by now. They have not.
again a non sequitur the whole palistinian population back the armed resistance yet they have been fighting for decades

Somalia defeated the ethiopian army and took over the whole of ogaden and was advancing to adis ababa untill the russian and cubans came to the aid of the infant communist state of ethiopia

and when the somali republic rises again it will take back ogaden and this time there is no Soviet union

Uh huh.
:happy:
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Abdullah4ever
07-07-2006, 01:51 AM
:sl:

Allah is the best of planners. Insha'allah it will come to peace one time. my mother is at somalia , everyday i worry if she will come back alive :(
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hanah_06
07-07-2006, 03:26 AM
Asalaamu'alaikum
Durah and Ahmed thank you for sharing your articles. That’s what I believe in history too. InshaAllah Somalia will get a legit goverment based on Islamic values and have a bright future..ie: us youth! Takbeer...ALLAHU AKBAR. Soomaaliya ha noolato!
W/salaam
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