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Sis786
Like i said before i think that the Community leaders have tried but they too are restricted. Did you hear of the Peace and Unity Event in London Dec 2005, Over 25,000.00 muslims came and the whole event was based on the correct concept of Peace in Islam
I do not call that meaningful. Londoners are dying and you think throwing a party is an adequate response? Where is the co-operation with the police? Where is the denounciation of the Extremists and all who led those boys astray? When Pope John Paul II visited Ireland in 1979 he said,
On my knees I beg you to turn away from the paths of violence and to return to the ways of peace....Violence only delays the day of justice. ... Further violence in Ireland will only drag down to ruin the land you claim to love and the values you claim to cherish. In the name of God I beg you .... Peace cannot be established by violence, peace can never flourish in a climate of terror, intimidation and death. It is Jesus himself who said: "All who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Mt 26:52). This is the word of God, and it commands this generation of violent men to desist from hatred and violence and to repent... I procalim, with the conviction of my faith in Christ and with an awareness of my mission, that violence is evil, that violence is unacceptable as a solution to problems, that violence is unworthy of man. Violence is a lie, for it goes against the truth of our faith, the truth of our humanity. Violence destroys what it claims to defend - the dignity, the life of human beings. Violence is a crime against humanity, for it destroys the very fabric of society.
Now that is what I call a condemnation. Anything similar from the MCB?
Yet the speakers who included Labour MPS, George Galloway, Yvonne Riddley and Imran Khan, stated that the Goverment needs to do more.
So it was the usual hate-fest in other words. Know where I can get copies of their speeches on-line or in print? You see my point about not doing much about terror? George Galloway and Yvonne Ridley? Oh yes. I'd have liked to see Imran Khan.
And that there is a major connection with the policies abroad and the terroism threat in the UK.
Well Muslims may believe that, but that path is a dangerous path. Because the British have every right to pursue whatever foreign policy they see fit and they have every right to expect that every British person is going to support the government against foreigners even if they do not agree with those foreign policies. If the British Muslim community does not agree there will be problems. As I said, nothing here to suggest any serious effort to combat terrorism.
I mean im sure you seen the tape of Siddiq Khan before 7/7 HE said that the killings abroad have made him depressed and hurt. No young boys wanna go and get on a train and kill themselves and others. These boys had a lot to live for they had children, work and family.
What he said was,
I and thousands like me are forsaking everything for what we believe. Our drive and motivation doesn't come from tangible commodities that this world has to offer. Our religion is Islam, obedience to the one true God and following the footsteps of the final prophet messenger.
Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.
Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
Clearly he did want to go and blow himself up and clearly he had more to die for than to live for. And clearly someone had taught him that blowing himself up was an appropriate response to that "oppression" and Heaven would be his reward. Who might that have been? I don't know (and the British Muslim communities have done little to find out) but I can guess his religion.
The Goverement need to accept that there is a problem in the UK and the young Muslims are affetced by the war in Afghan and Iraq and the situation in Palestine. They need to look "WHY" did these Boys do this instead of looking at someone or something to blame.
No. The British Muslim community has to accept that there is a problem in the British Muslim community and that young Muslims are affected by violent and dangerous teachings. The British Muslim community needs to look at why these boys did this instead of denying it was Muslims, blaming the kafirs and seeking to shift responsibility. The British government has done nothing wrong. Whatever the mistakes of British foreign policy it is the job of the British government to decide British foreign policy. It is the responsibility of the British community, Muslim or not, to accept that, obey the law and work to change things peacefully if they do not like them. The blame rests solely and entirely with the boys who did this, the people taught them this was right and the people who raised them with bad values. No one else.
When you are upset and retsricted and hurt you are easily led!
Someone taught them to be upset. Someone claimed they were restricted. Someone contributed to that climate of hatred and it was not me. Why are you continuing to do so?
Got any evidence the Government lied?
This is where most are blind!
No shortage of that I am afraid.