format_quote Originally Posted by
Geronimo
I'll lay it out in plain English. Is Israel heavy handed? Yes. Do I blame them? NO
because oh boo hoo hoo poor israel, as you seem to imply that no one likes her and she has had to stand alone we will forget the enoromous amounts of AID in money and arms israel has received from well more than the US over the last half a century. And of course we dare not mention the imposition the Zionist endeavor was on the fellahin... let's focus on the effendi land sales..... to help bolster the misnomer that Israel is the victim.
Whose guns did Jewish Immigrants come in behind? The Great British Empire but I suppose that doesn't count as help because EGAD they too were quasi concerned for the welfare of those in Palestine as per one of the most ignored clauses in the Balfour Agreement which was violated by the earliest Zionist facilated displacement of the Fellahin. We need instead to blame the Brits because well they shoudn't have responded so illogically to zionist terrrorism and should have probably just signed the Yishevs petition to transfer the lot off the whole of Palestine which is what was inconspicuously being petitioned for. And of course we will ignore the fact that the dispossession and the intent to transfer was indeed the genesis of the conflict and from the perspective of the indigenous both Christian and Muslim was an aggression. Oh that wasn't the Zionist leaderships fault though NO..... that reaction to the aggressive nature of dispossession was wholly due to Judenhass (according to you I presume). The Palestinian fellahin weren't concerned with their future welfare ..... nah that couldn't have been what provocated aggressive feeling. Let's factor that out altogether, close our eyes in utter blindness and chant in unison with you...... IT WAS ALL DUE TO JEW HATRED.
Who then helped arm Israel before the war of Independence and the Palestinian Catastrophe (that I presume you deny occurred OR is it that "the Arabs" caused that as well) besides the British?
That would be Stalin. Oh but he wasn't really helping the Zionists no.... let's kick that gift horse in right in the mouth, because it wouldn't support your initial statement that the US is Israel's only friend (as if History only began in 2001.)
Who helped Israel build her Nuclear Reactors? that would be France.
"A nuclear reactor and plutonium production facility was built by France" (see link below) but we won't count that as any help.... no because they are also sympathetic to the Palestinian perspective....and one can't be sympathetic to both sides. It appears in your eyes that nullifies unwavering support of Israel right or wrong.
There was also considerable collaboration between Israel and Dutch Apartheid South Africa. But I suppose that can't be considered help because well it falls more into a business category soooooooo you can just continue to whine about Israel having only one friend.
Iran and Israel were on friendly terms for a while as well. Mossad trained Iranian operatives for Savak and Iran even supplied Israel with Oil.
format_quote Originally Posted by [URL="http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/Isrhist.html"
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France was Israel's principal arms supplier, and as instability spread in France's colonies in North Africa, Israel provided valuable intelligence obtained from its contacts with sephardic Jews in those countries. The two nations even collaborated (along with Britain) in planning and staging the joint Suez-Sinai operation against Egypt in October 1956 [...] Considerable nuclear collaboration between Israel and South Africa seems to have developed around 1967 and continued through the 70s and 80s. During this period SA was Israel's primary supplier of uranium for Dimona.
Whilst Israel also supplied the Apartheid regime with arms.
oh that was a long time ago..... we might as well forget that and factor it out altogether it doesn't support your inference that Israel has no friends. only the US who has worked both sides of the fence as well, but let's not get into that it for it would take the discussion out of the black and white.
And that is just me scratching the surface.
there was considerable trade between Germany and Israel indeed the pact between the Zionists and the third reich helped break the international boycott against hitler which only helped enable Hitlers rise. It was a complex and difficult aligns that broke the Zionist Authorities in Palestine in two.... But indeed Germany can be credited with having also helped the development of the earlier Settlements. oooooo but shhhhhhhhh we won't go there.
format_quote Originally Posted by
Geronimo
No. It has been war ever since the 1920's with Israel fighting for their life. Now that Israel has the upper hand people want to call a timeout. That don't fly with me.
Yes that explains why all the facts aren't really all that important to you perhaps why you prefer to regurgitate what are well worn out cliches on this topic. And of course blame the Arabs because according to you you won't blame Israel it serves your agenda best to blame the Arabs and all other world powers beside the US for boo hoo poor Israel. You can correct me if I have misinterpreted you in any way. It seems you interpret any support for the Palestinians as some kind of ding on Israel. That speaks volumes.
format_quote Originally Posted by
Geronimo
I'm from the school of don't ask for quarter because none will be given
Hell the Yeshiv leadership whilst petitioning for transfer attempted not only to get Britain to agree to it, but attempted to find ways to have Britain pay for it. so while you might be from that school, Israeli Leadership certainly aren't they stretch there hands out to all quarters and have received millions and billions through out the years and still her diehard supporters (right or wrong) cry boo hoo hoo.
I have to prepare dinner now. Have a pleasant evening.