Why?

[I R Paki]

Why is it taking so long to find osama?

[Fishman]

Why is it taking so long to find osama?

:sl:
They are either incompetent fools or trying to prolong their war with the world.
:w:

[Kittygyal]

:sl:
They are either incompitent fools or trying to prolong their war with the world.
:w:

i agree with that!

[Fishman]

i agree with that!

:sl:
Let me add 'or most probably both' to my statement.
:w:

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[Keltoi]

It is a good question. If Osama is in the tribal regions of Pakistan it doesn't surprise me though. It would take a fairly large U.S. troop committment in Pakistan to root him out, and I doubt Mushareff would agree to such a move.

[Kittygyal]

:sl:
Let me add 'or most probably both' to my statement.
:w:

well even President Bush Holds Press Conference on this issue about Osama Bin Laden and what's finding it so long to find him don't know if any of you lot have seen it or read it :rollseyes

[limitless]

:sl:

It is not necessary to find Osama. BUSH, Jewish leaders, wanted to bad mouth Islam, "terriost" and with the recent bombings, I don't think they need to use Osama as a scapgoat or whatever other reasons it may be. The Jewish leaders got what they wanted and the little men (Osama and Saddam) were just a way to ignite the flame.

:w:

[Kittygyal]

:sl:

It is not necessary to find Osama. BUSH, Jewish leaders, wanted to bad mouth Islam, "terriost" and with the recent bombings, I don't think they need to use Osama as a scapgoat or whatever other reasons it may be. The Jewish leaders got what they wanted and the little men (Osama and Saddam) were just a way to ignite the flame.

:w:

thats true brother also taking democracy all they wanted and they ahve got it plus they wanted all the attention so what can Osama do just go and hide or should he just stand up?? lets think about this, why do W.Bush call muslim's "terriorist" why?? oh then again he thinks Osama is a bad guy all the words from his mouth was just gerbrish!

[nennar]

maybe they are not surpose to find him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bush is best friends with osamas brother

[wilberhum]

Why is it taking so long to find osama?

Osama is in the tribal regions of Pakistan where millions support his brand of terrorism.

[Kittygyal]

maybe they are not surpose to find him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bush is best friends with osamas brother

true sis maybe Osama is dead cause W.Bush and Osama's family are very best pals they don't really care about Osama if they did they would have gone down hunted for him but they aint!!

[Durrah]

maybe they are not surpose to find him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bush is best friends with osamas brother

:sl:

Very true sis. Bush's connection with the Bin Laden family run very deep indeed. He's done alot of business with that family.

To be honest, i don't think they ever had any intention of really looking for him. He might even be dead because no-body has heard from Bin Laden for sometime. Its easier though to keep the 'boeyman' alive in people's minds though, keep them in a continual state of fear to the point where they'll agree to anything being done, including iradicating their own civil liberties which they once upheld!

[Keltoi]

I don't think anyone is under the impression that by killing Osama the terrorist attacks will suddenly stop.

[nennar]

no sadly enough! because that would be nice... to think one was safe in the world!.... one thing is sure! the bush family knows where he is

[Durrah]

I don't think anyone is under the impression that by killing Osama the terrorist attacks will suddenly stop.

No, but the families of those who died in 9/11 hold him responsible and want him brought under some court of law. Also some are angry that his used what happened on 9/11 to justify his attacks in iraq, which has resulted in massive loss of civilian life, massive lost in american service men/women and is draining the economy!

[babybackribs]

...bush is best friends with osamas brother

How do you know that ? Do you have any REAL info ? Besides, even if that was true, Osamas family dis-owned him so I don't think you can hold them responsible for their terrorist brothers actions.

[nennar]

sorry! but i dont believe they have dis-owned him!!!!!!!!
and dont tell me that nothing is going on! america has all the tecnoledgy in the wolrd! they can see through a mountain, they can see through the moon and they cant find him????????????????????????

[chacha_jalebi]

osama is in d witehouse, with georgey bushy how comes america can get saddam but not osama?? huh huh? and he always makes videos, cant they track him, that sounds so dumb, all these gangsters hunt down there victims in lik 2 days :p and america cant get osama? that sounds a bit off key:p so its blatantly true that osama n al gayda :p, are all in the wite house with bushy& its all a set up 2 defame islam & steal our land & oil & cricket players :p :D:D:D:D

[Durrah]

:sl:

Sis nennar, you gotta remember as well, they will only find him (if he aint dead), if allah s.w.t wills it. Remember when the prophet s.a.w fled makkah and the quraish came to house in the night to kill him, the prophet s.a.w escaped right under their noses. Thats not to say OBL is like the prophet or anything, but just to say that everything is really down to allah s.w.t, regardless of how much high tech gadgets the U.S have.

[nennar]

wo allah you are right!

[babybackribs]

sorry! but i dont believe they have dis-owned him!!!!!!!!
and dont tell me that nothing is going on! america has all the tecnoledgy in the wolrd! they can see through a mountain, they can see through the moon and they cant find him????????????????????????

10:08 PM 8/23/1998
Osama bin Laden's kin disowned him in 1980s
SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- Wealthy Saudi businessman Muhammad bin Laden and his eldest son had disowned bombing suspect Osama bin Laden in the 1980s, say associates of the late Salem bin Laden.
Osama, Salem's younger half-brother, always was considered the "black sheep of the family," said San Antonio lawyer Wayne Fagan, who represented Salem from 1982 until his death in 1988.

"Salem, God bless him, is turning over in his grave. The family, they agonized over (Osama bin Laden) and outcast him from the family since the early '80s," Fagan said.

Charles Schwartz, a Houston lawyer who represented the bin Laden estate in a 1991 lawsuit in Bexar County, said the family "disowned" and "disavowed" Osama after he went to Afghanistan in 1980 to join the fight against the Soviet occupation of that country.

Salem bin Laden came to Texas in 1973 looking for the pilot who had flown for his father, Muhammad, before his death in 1967.

Jerry Auerbach worked for Salem bin Laden for years, first as a pilot in Saudi Arabia and later as an aviation manager for his company in San Antonio, when bin Laden lived in Marble Falls.

Binladen Aviation was incorporated in Austin and was dissolved shortly after Salem's death at the age of 42 in an ultralight crash near Garden Ridge, Texas.

Auerbach said he never met Osama bin Laden, the younger, more radical brother whose activities were targeted this week by U.S. military strikes.




See through the moon and mountains ?? I don't think so. That's silly.

[chacha_jalebi]

:sl:

Sis nennar, you gotta remember as well, they will only find him (if he aint dead), if allah s.w.t wills it. Remember when the prophet s.a.w fled makkah and the quraish came to house in the night to kill him, the prophet s.a.w escaped right under their noses. Thats not to say OBL is like the prophet or anything, but just to say that everything is really down to allah s.w.t, regardless of how much high tech gadgets the U.S have.

so are u promotin OBL?

if osama really cared about muslims and had complete faith in Allah (swt), he would have given himself up, and that would have stopped afghanistan gettin mashed up & bare innocents dieing, but osama went & hid like a coward & he calls himself a mujahid .... WOTEVA .... hes a wannabe he should stop makin videos & live with his husband george bush :p :D:D

[babybackribs]

so are u promotin OBL?

if osama really cared about muslims and had complete faith in Allah (swt), he would have given himself up, and that would have stopped afghanistan gettin mashed up & bare innocents dieing, but osama went & hid like a coward & he calls himself a mujahid .... WOTEVA .... hes a wannabe he should stop makin videos & live with his husband george bush :p :D:D

ChaCha has a good point. Not the Bush part, though. I think Zawahiri is his 'main squeeze.'

[snakelegs]

Why is it taking so long to find osama?

could it possibly be because nobody really wants to find him?
he's much for useful this way.

[Keltoi]

could it possibly be because nobody really wants to find him?
he's much for useful this way.

Osama free and still making videos is not "useful" whatsoever, especially to the Bush administration. The American people aren't dumb enough to believe by capturing Osama it will end terrorism or the threat of it.

[Woodrow]

Why would anybody want to capture Osama anyway?


If captured it would be necessary to convict him with irrefutable evidence that even his strongest allies would have to agree with. If captured and he was not condemned by the entire world as a terrorist, his capture would be seen as persecution and cause a gigantic backlash.

Worse scenario is is he is killed in a capture attempt. He would then become an undefeatable martyr and have more srength indeath then he ever had in life.

For the Western world it is far better for him to remain free and be a prisoner in trying to stay safe. By being a fugitive in hiding he can eventualy be ignored and forgotten about.

[nimrod]

Snake legs would you agree that even in America, it is sometimes hard for law enforcement to find a suspect they are after?

Would you also agree that in most of those cases, the suspects don’t have as much support in their hiding from the law as Ben Laden does?

Would you also agree that the area, Ben Laden is believed to hiding in, has many folks that view him positively?


Do you also agree that, it seems a little bit foolish to believe that the money being offered for Ben Laden’s capture is just being discounted by everyone, because “nobody really wants to find him”?

Snake Legs, please review my last messages to you.

Thanks
Nimrod

[Sis786]

Why is it taking so long to find osama?

Because hes sitting in a pre paid Americain hotel that has mountains back drop form where he sends his threating videos calling for war..

Honestly i dont know, But this has led me to believe other theories...

[Durrah]

so are u promotin OBL?

if osama really cared about muslims and had complete faith in Allah (swt), he would have given himself up, and that would have stopped afghanistan gettin mashed up & bare innocents dieing, but osama went & hid like a coward & he calls himself a mujahid .... WOTEVA .... hes a wannabe he should stop makin videos & live with his husband george bush :p :D:D

:sl:

I am not promoting nobody. I just simply made the point to sister nennar that regardless of U.S technology, if Allah s.w.t wills that OBL will be found, then he will be found, technology or technology. If not, then he wont. Its simple as.

[lolwatever]

sorry! but i dont believe they have dis-owned him!!!!!!!!
and dont tell me that nothing is going on! america has all the tecnoledgy in the wolrd! they can see through a mountain, they can see through the moon and they cant find him????????????????????????

do you have a diploma of GIS to back that up? :giggling: :giggling:

[scentsofjannah]

do you even think hes alive? many papers reported that he died from some sort of kidney disease..it suits many countries to whip up his ghost to serve their agendas

Report: Bush says bin Laden helped in election>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11604530/from/RS.5/

Article says Bin Laden Aids Bush http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obje...name_page.html

Al-Jazeera admits Bin Laden error http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4506456.stm

Fox News Report : Bin Laden Already Dead http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

Bin Laden: Where is he? Who's protecting him? Why can't we find him? http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle340218.ece

World Tribune Article -Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is deadhttp://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html

Article- How the CIA created Bin Laden http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?n...rder=0&thold=0

CNN.COM Musharraf: bin Laden likely dead
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/a....19/index.html

Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the "confession" video was not only inaccurate, but even "manipulative". http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/16801

The Fake bin Laden Video Tapehttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

Details of the videotape - includes full video and transcript.
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/res...aden.tape.html

Swiss institute brands latest bin Laden tape a fake http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...?oneclick=true

Pakistani Newspaper --Bin-Ladin Denies Involvement in the 9/11 Attacks "Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that." http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html

US rejects Taliban bin Laden evidence calls http://www.rte.ie/news/2001/0921/usreax.html

Why Wasn't Osama Bin Laden Captured During This 1998 ABC Interview?
http://www.freepressinternational.co...c.2817671.html

Article-Bush Administration knew the Whereabouts of Osama-by Michel Chossudovsky

Posted Mar 24, 2004
If the CBS report by Dan Rather is accurate and Osama had indeed been admitted to the Pakistani military hospital on September 10, 2001, courtesy of America's ally, he was in all likelihood still in hospital in Rawalpindi on the 11th of September, when the attacks occurred. In all probability, his whereabouts were known to US officials on the morning of September 12, when Secretary of State Colin Powell initiated negotiations with Pakistan, with a view to arresting and extraditing bin Laden.http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311A.html

US Federal Bureau of Investigation's counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson--Bin Laden 'probably' dead http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2135473.stm

A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Bush says bin Laden no Threat http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/03.15D.No.Threat.htm

Bin Laden Tape Is Old Material - French Experthttp://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...sama_france_dc

Bush takes a six-point lead after new bin Laden tape
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html


Recently C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/wa...rssnyt&emc=rss

[nennar]

could it possibly be because nobody really wants to find him?
he's much for useful this way

!

yes off cause he is!!!!!!!! he was the reason bush won the second time.......and why did they find saddam so quick?????????........ and obl can just do what he wants????????????

[nennar]

do you even think hes alive? many papers reported that he died from some sort of kidney disease..it suits many countries to whip up his ghost to serve their agendas

i dont know, if his is death! but bush admittet it him self!!!!!!! and doesent that say something

[KAding]

america has all the tecnoledgy in the wolrd! they can see through a mountain, they can see through the moon and they cant find him????????????????????????

LOL! They can see through a mountain? And I suppose they can also recognize whoever is in that mountain?

Why on earth do people think it is so easy to find someone? How do people imagine this technology works?

[Geronimo]

LOL! They can see through a mountain? And I suppose they can also recognize whoever is in that mountain?

Why on earth do people think it is so easy to find someone? How do people imagine this technology works?

If it was so easy to find someone then there would be no need for Americas Most Wanted

[scentsofjannah]

C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/wa...rssnyt&emc=rss

this says a lot!! the monster that America bred is gone..finito

[Geronimo]

C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/wa...rssnyt&emc=rss

this says a lot!! the monster that America bred is gone..finito

Umm no. America gave mony to the Mujahdeen that was backed by Pakistan. The US had absolutely no contact with Osama. Actually Osama was in the Sudan at the time the US was supporting the war in Afghanistan in the 80s

[scentsofjannah]

Osama bin laden was the leader of those Mujahideen

[sameer]

so are u promotin OBL?

if osama really cared about muslims and had complete faith in Allah (swt), he would have given himself up, and that would have stopped afghanistan gettin mashed up & bare innocents dieing,

Do u really believe that ?

[chacha_jalebi]

Do u really believe that ?

yesh i do :D

[sameer]

yesh i do :D

Ok explain to me how has the capture of Sadam hussien help stopped the killing in Iraq?

[Geronimo]

Osama bin laden was the leader of those Mujahideen

No he wasn't. He gave financial backing but he wasn't the leader:

Bin Laden's wealth and connections assisted his interest in supporting the mujahideen, Muslim guerrillas fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. By 1980, his old teacher from the university in Jeddah, Abdullah Azzam, had relocated to Peshawar, a major border city of a million people in the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan. From there, Azzam was able to organize resistance directly on the Afghan frontier. Peshawar is only 15 km east of the historic Khyber Pass, through the Safed Koh mountains, connected to the southeastern edge of the Hindu Kush range. This route became the major avenue of inserting foreign fighters and material support into eastern Afghanistan for the resistance against the Soviets, and also in later years.

After bin Laden graduated from the university in Jeddah in 1981, he also came to live for a time in Peshawar, according to Rahimullah Yusufzai, executive editor of the English-language daily The News International in 2001. "Azam prevailed on him to come and use his money" for training recruits, reported Yusufzai. [15] In the early 1980s, bin Laden lived at several addresses in and around Arbab Road, a narrow street in the University Town neighbourhood in western Peshawar, Yusufzai said. Nearby in Gulshan Iqbal Road is the Arab mosque that Abdullah Azzam used as the jihad center, according to a Reuters inquiry in the neighborhood. Years later, in 1989, Azzam was blown up in a massive car bombing outside the mosque. Bin Laden is thought to be a suspect in that assassination, because of a rift in the direction of the jihad at that time.

By 1984, with Azzam, bin Laden had established an organization named Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK, Office of Order in English), which funneled money, arms and Muslim fighters from around the world into the Afghan war. Through al-Khadamat, bin Laden's inherited family fortune paid for air tickets and accommodation, dealt with paperwork with Pakistani authorities and provided other such services for the jihad fighters. In running al-Khadamat, bin Laden set up a network of couriers travelling between Afghanistan and Peshawar, which continued to remain active after 2001

[chacha_jalebi]

Ok explain to me how has the capture of Sadam hussien help stopped the killing in Iraq?

well saddam hussien didnt claim 2 help out d ummah, he was doin his own thin in iraq, i think you misunderstood moi :D

i said if bin laden was a true mujahid as he claims, then he would have given himself up or left afghanistan & left his fate 2 Allah (swt), then america would have no reason to attack afghanistan, but he didnt leave and he made bare people die, so it shows he aint true & its all a plan by his husband bushy 2 get all d muslim countries, but inshallah he will neva get them, as they say lions dont stay in corners for long, us muslims are lions 1 day inshallah we will come out of our corner!!! and then george bushy will rememba :D

[sameer]

well saddam hussien didnt claim 2 help out d ummah, he was doin his own thin in iraq, i think you misunderstood moi :D

i said if bin laden was a true mujahid as he claims, then he would have given himself up or left afghanistan & left his fate 2 Allah (swt), then america would have no reason to attack afghanistan, but he didnt leave and he made bare people die, so it shows he aint true & its all a plan by his husband bushy 2 get all d muslim countries, but inshallah he will neva get them, as they say lions dont stay in corners for long, us muslims are lions 1 day inshallah we will come out of our corner!!! and then george bushy will rememba :D

the point about sadam was that hios capture didnt stop the kiling and bin laden capture wont stop the killing...so wake up

Besides u are making accusations against bin laden about being george bush husband and hes causing the daeths of innocents by hiding etc....whats to say some other "muslim" wont backbite/slander u and say the same about u when u come out of the corner?

[Sis786]

Osama hasnt been caught as hes hiding in my back shed behind our lawn mower!