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north_malaysian
08-04-2006, 09:40 AM
I've went for friday prayer today, the Khatib gave a very fiery sermon (which is 'anti-semitic' Level 5 - if there is a higher level tell me).

He kept saying 'Yahudi La'natullahi Alayhim' (Jews, God's curse upon them) and everybody was :uuh: :uuh: :uuh: (at least nobody sleeping).

The most surprising thing happened, that in his "doa" (prayer) he said "May Allah help the Hezballah" "May Allah help the Hezballah" "May the angels who helped in Badr, help the Hezballah". And the congregation said "Amen" "Amen" very loudly..... for the first time I've seen Sunnis supporting Shiites in Malaysia.... it was :uuh: (an eye opener for me).

Khatib said that the donations will be donate to Palestinian and Lebanese, after the prayer lots of people donated .... and mostly hand in 'BIG NOTES'.... I've never seen this kind of donations (because Malaysian Muslims usually donate coins and the highest is like RM1.00..... but today they gace RM10.00, RM 50.00....)

It's really an eye opener....

How about your mosque?
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Isma'el
08-04-2006, 11:55 AM
ameen to his dua
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Dawud_uk
08-04-2006, 11:55 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
I've went for friday prayer today, the Khatib gave a very fiery sermon (which is 'anti-semitic' Level 5 - if there is a higher level tell me).

He kept saying 'Yahudi La'natullahi Alayhim' (Jews, God's curse upon them) and everybody was :uuh: :uuh: :uuh: (at least nobody sleeping).

The most surprising thing happened, that in his "doa" (prayer) he said "May Allah help the Hezballah" "May Allah help the Hezballah" "May the angels who helped in Badr, help the Hezballah". And the congregation said "Amen" "Amen" very loudly..... for the first time I've seen Sunnis supporting Shiites in Malaysia.... it was :uuh: (an eye opener for me).

Khatib said that the donations will be donate to Palestinian and Lebanese, after the prayer lots of people donated .... and mostly hand in 'BIG NOTES'.... I've never seen this kind of donations (because Malaysian Muslims usually donate coins and the highest is like RM1.00..... but today they gace RM10.00, RM 50.00....)

It's really an eye opener....

How about your mosque?

assalaamu alaykum,

why is it racist to say what Allah has already said regarding the jews?

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud
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sameer
08-04-2006, 01:20 PM
^^ true
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AvarAllahNoor
08-04-2006, 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
assalaamu alaykum,

why is it racist to say what Allah has already said regarding the jews?

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud
Allah curses Jews??
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-04-2006, 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Allah curses Jews??
yahudi's to be more precise and i think yahudi's are zionists (stray jews)
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AvarAllahNoor
08-04-2006, 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by Mazed
yahudi's to be more precise and i think yahudi's are zionists (stray jews)
I see! Is this a statement in the Kuran? If so, can you post it i'd love to read it!
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-04-2006, 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
I see! Is this a statement in the Kuran? If so, can you post it i'd love to read it!
i dont know the exact verse and to be honest im not sure if they are cursed in the Quran but i wouldnt be surprised if they are. hold on i'll check
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QuranStudy
08-04-2006, 01:46 PM
I see! Is this a statement in the Kuran? If so, can you post it i'd love to read it!
Taken out of context. The Quran does not refer to Jews in general.
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-04-2006, 01:48 PM
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

009.030
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ عُزَيْرٌ ابْنُ اللّهِ وَقَالَتْ النَّصَارَى الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ اللّهِ ذَلِكَ قَوْلُهُم بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ يُضَاهِؤُونَ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن قَبْلُ قَاتَلَهُمُ اللّهُ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ


Well its pretty clear that the jews are cursed for taking partners besides Allah, this is ofcourse known as shirk, and all polytheists are doomed to hell unless they repent...

:peace:
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AvarAllahNoor
08-04-2006, 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by QuranStudy
Taken out of context. The Quran does not refer to Jews in general.
Thought it mentioned both Christians and Jews?
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-04-2006, 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Thought it mentioned both Christians and Jews?
if you want better understanding you can go upto a muslim scholar from ahlal sunnah wal jama3aa and ask him about its context as we have little knowledge of that :).


But i think that verse is quite clear, anyone who takes partners besides Allah is cursed, its not really suprising how would you like it if someone gave credit to someone else for something you done alone?
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Daffodil
08-04-2006, 02:01 PM
for the first time I've seen Sunnis supporting Shiites in Malaysia.... it was (an eye opener for me).
not all shias are complete deviants or deviants at all, some shias follow what normal sunnis follow they just happen to think that ali wud have made a better leader.
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-04-2006, 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by Daffodil
not all shias are complete deviants or deviants at all, some shias follow what normal sunnis follow they just happen to think that ali wud have made a better leader.
but sis thinking that IS a big deviation :eek:
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Dawud_uk
08-04-2006, 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Mazed
but sis thinking that IS a big deviation :eek:
Assalaamu Alaykum,

We are going off topic but sister daffodil is referring to the ziadi shi’a whose beliefs are closer to the Sunnah than many Sunni Muslims!

For example many of them I have spoken to use the mainstream sunni books of haddith and do not go into impermissible tawussul, i.e making du’a to or through the dead.

Some even deny they are shi’a, saying they are sunni and just happen to think Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) would have made a better first khalif.

Now if you look at some of the people who are most ferocious in verbally attacking the shi’a, those who claim the title Ahlus Sunnah but do not act upon it, often when you examine their beliefs then they are very close to the worse of the shi’a, the Rafadiyyah who commit open kufr.

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Daw’ud
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-04-2006, 03:15 PM
^

Aaah i see, thanks for the brilliant explenation.


Sry for going off-topic


:salamext:
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HeiGou
08-04-2006, 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by Mazed
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ عُزَيْرٌ ابْنُ اللّهِ وَقَالَتْ النَّصَارَى الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ اللّهِ ذَلِكَ قَوْلُهُم بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ يُضَاهِؤُونَ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن قَبْلُ قَاتَلَهُمُ اللّهُ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ


Well its pretty clear that the jews are cursed for taking partners besides Allah, this is ofcourse known as shirk, and all polytheists are doomed to hell unless they repent...
Except that no Jews in the world today or any Jews in the historical record have ever said that Ezra was the Son of God. I believe that Ansar al-Adl says there were a group of Jews back then that did, but wouldn't that mean the curse is for Jews who think that Ezra is the Son of God (i.e. none of them alive today whether Zionists or not)?
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wilberhum
08-04-2006, 05:57 PM
Preaching hate from the pulpit.
Is that the Islamic way?

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]
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lavikor201
08-04-2006, 06:10 PM
Cursing the Jews and promoting Anti-Semitism in a mosque... how suprising...

And the fact that the Quran says the Jews have said Ezra is the son of G-d is very funny.

Your not Jewish if you believe that G-d has a son because that is declaring you to be a Pagan which is renouncing Judaism. Same thing if you decide there is no G-d. Your renouncing Jewish faith in that act.
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nennar
08-04-2006, 07:43 PM
lavikor! can i ask you why ? you write god, like this g-d?????
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lavikor201
08-04-2006, 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by nennar
lavikor! can i ask you why ? you write god, like this g-d?????
It is against Jewish law to throw away the name of G-d. (On the internet it can be deleted)

Based on the words in Deut. 12:3-4, the Rabbis deduced that it is forbidden to erase the name of G-d from a written document. Since any paper upon which G-d's name was written might be discarded and thus "erased", the Rabbis forbade explicitly writing the name of G-d, except in Holy Books, with provisions for the proper disposal of such books.
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nennar
08-04-2006, 07:56 PM
thank you lavikor! i learned some new today
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QuranStudy
08-04-2006, 08:00 PM
Jews are Allah's creations, and even the Quran states that Jews have a covenant with Allah (Baqara).

If you want to be a real Muslim, start treating Jews like humans and dont judge by their religion. Follow the actions and words of the Prophet towards Jews.
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wilberhum
08-04-2006, 08:05 PM
If you want to be a real Muslim, start treating Jews like humans
:thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]
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kadafi
08-04-2006, 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by HeiGou
Except that no Jews in the world today or any Jews in the historical record have ever said that Ezra was the Son of God. I believe that Ansar al-Adl says there were a group of Jews back then that did, but wouldn't that mean the curse is for Jews who think that Ezra is the Son of God (i.e. none of them alive today whether Zionists or not)?
Greetings

Do not try to bring theological discussions in the World Affairs section. We have relevant sections for that. In the future, start a topic there.

As for the Ezra, son of God ayaah, see:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...rnal/ezra.html
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abdmez
08-04-2006, 08:37 PM
This does not go on where I go Friday, and I want to say that I hope Anti-Semitic people are not having sermons in mosques around the world after prayers.
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north_malaysian
08-06-2006, 12:23 AM
When I arrived at home after work, I've asked my father what the sermon like in my parish mosque? He said, very fiery and very anti-Jewish and anti-Christian. They even organized big demonstration after Friday prayer. I've asked several friends living in different states and cities in Malaysia - it just the same thing.

From what I've seen, Hezballah really...really gained the status of 'Defender of Muslim world' in the Malaysian Sunnis' eyes. Seeing the news about demonstrations worldwide Sunnis in Malaysia, South Africa, Philippines and Turkey holding pics of Nasrallah and Hezballah flag.

Is the current situation suddenly making Sunnis-Shiites as united ummah? I would like to hear views from your respected countries and towns....
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Skillganon
08-06-2006, 12:40 AM
Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
Assalaamu Alaykum,

We are going off topic but sister daffodil is referring to the ziadi shi’a whose beliefs are closer to the Sunnah than many Sunni Muslims!

For example many of them I have spoken to use the mainstream sunni books of haddith and do not go into impermissible tawussul, i.e making du’a to or through the dead.

Some even deny they are shi’a, saying they are sunni and just happen to think Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) would have made a better first khalif.

Now if you look at some of the people who are most ferocious in verbally attacking the shi’a, those who claim the title Ahlus Sunnah but do not act upon it, often when you examine their beliefs then they are very close to the worse of the shi’a, the Rafadiyyah who commit open kufr.

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Daw’ud
That's the thing with Ali being a better leader, is irrelevent in this day and age. When people stop giving into this political issue that divided some of the muslim back than in history, than we can be a more structured unity.

Can we go beyond calling our self name, just stick to muslim since we follow the same source. If you start calling yourself sunni, shia, shi'tte, people will think it's a social club, and think I must belong to this one, and start gobling up the very things that caused division in the first place. e.g. Ali would have made a better leader.

My response would be they would all have made a better first caliph, do you know why? because they where coser to allah(swt) after our prophet.

End of story, which has ended long time ago.
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north_malaysian
08-06-2006, 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Skillganon
End of story, which has ended long time ago.
Yeah..... is it ... like ... relevant for today?
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Skillganon
08-06-2006, 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
When I arrived at home after work, I've asked my father what the sermon like in my parish mosque? He said, very fiery and very anti-Jewish and anti-Christian. They even organized big demonstration after Friday prayer. I've asked several friends living in different states and cities in Malaysia - it just the same thing.

From what I've seen, Hezballah really...really gained the status of 'Defender of Muslim world' in the Malaysian Sunnis' eyes. Seeing the news about demonstrations worldwide Sunnis in Malaysia, South Africa, Philippines and Turkey holding pics of Nasrallah and Hezballah flag.

Is the current situation suddenly making Sunnis-Shiites as united ummah? I would like to hear views from your respected countries and towns....
Here in London, we have the same thing, muslims (generalized) are holding hezbollah flags, "christians, muslim lebanese british, christian lebanese British white british, black, white, brown, I tot I so some yellows in their, socialist and even the "damned atheist" (no offense just homour) who have holded his picture, and many marched alongside it in unity, with other placards. It was a demonstration march from hyde park to parliament square, held 06 august 2006.
Estimated around 70,000. I am not sure.
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Skillganon
08-06-2006, 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Yeah..... is it ... like ... relevant for today?
No, and we should not bring it about.
It's only relevant if you make it relevant. Like a self fulfilling prophecy (just an anology).

We all follow the 5 pillars basicly. Just keep it nice and simple.
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Dawud_uk
08-07-2006, 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by QuranStudy
Jews are Allah's creations, and even the Quran states that Jews have a covenant with Allah (Baqara).

If you want to be a real Muslim, start treating Jews like humans and dont judge by their religion. Follow the actions and words of the Prophet towards Jews.

that is right!

we should treat them exactly the same way he treated them, when they broke their covenant and attacked the muslims who had sheltered them he then turned around and attacked them himself.

who sheltered the jews for 1300 years when persecuted by others? yet they have still broke their covenant with us just as they did with the prophet (saws)?

Daw'ud
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Fishman
08-07-2006, 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian

How about your mosque?
:sl:
I don't understand the sermons at my Masjid, they're not in English. I don't even know what language they are in.
:w:
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Dawud_uk
08-07-2006, 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
I don't understand the sermons at my Masjid, they're not in English. I don't even know what language they are in.
:w:
assalaamu alaykum little bro,

if you are in nottingham they will be in arabic, with perhaps an urdu translation.

i understand that nottingham trent university does the friday khutbah in english and arabic and that might be a good help to you as it is open to everyone to attend on fridays and lots of non students go.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud
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- Qatada -
08-07-2006, 12:37 PM
:salamext:


Anyone who thinks that muslims are anti-semetic, they should ask themselves, Why do we support the muslim arabs? Arabs are also semitic.


Allaah Almighty knows best.


Peace.
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Fishman
08-07-2006, 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
assalaamu alaykum little bro,

if you are in nottingham they will be in arabic, with perhaps an urdu translation.

i understand that nottingham trent university does the friday khutbah in english and arabic and that might be a good help to you as it is open to everyone to attend on fridays and lots of non students go.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud
:sl:
I go to the Masjid that my friend's Grandfather runs, I really like it there.
:w:
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fou_lafine
08-07-2006, 01:29 PM
i'm still studying in here.so i was followed extracuriculer club,especialy for organisation is supporting palestine.

in my college,every people who follow organisation like this always make events like donation from all people
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wilberhum
08-07-2006, 06:19 PM
The Khatib said:
Jews, God's curse upon them.
Several Muslims support this statement and several give apposing thoughts.
One person also stated that hate sermons were given at another mosque.
I've asked my father what the sermon like in my parish mosque? He said, very fiery and very anti-Jewish and anti-Christian.
I found this quite disturbing. That is why I posted:
Preaching hate from the pulpit.
Is that the Islamic way?
And no one has responded.
At this time 296 people have looked at this thread and there are 36 posts to it.
Not one person, no one, has cruised preaching hate from the pulpit.

Amazing.

[MAD]
Stop the Hate!
[/MAD]
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MRR
08-07-2006, 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
it.
Not one person, no one, has cruised preaching hate from the pulpit.

Amazing.

[MAD]
Stop the Hate!
[/MAD]
It is unlikely you will find many here that get angered by this hatred being preached from the pulpit. Many say they dont hate the jews but when this stuff is said they are silent. Try saying "hamas and hezbollah are terrorist organizations and should be wiped of the map. God curse them."

That is likely to get a little more response.
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Link
08-07-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Isma'el
ameen to his dua
ahsant, ameen, except I pray the curse be upon zionist and their supporters, not all jews, and I know Zionist is what the Imam meant, many jews are against Israel.

ws
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Link
08-07-2006, 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by QuranStudy
Taken out of context. The Quran does not refer to Jews in general.
Ye - it refers to them in general and the exception is just a few who aren't cursed because they are actually sincere, and those almost all became muslim.

The Quran says the would act arrogantly in the land twice, yet make them as if they don't deserve to be fought right now and we should accept their oppression,

Have a reality check to who really follows Quran, there were monafiqeen sucking up to the enemy during Rasool (pbuh) time, and then their were the believers who were firm against the disbelievers and firm on the battlefield even when there numbers were few against many.
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MRR
08-07-2006, 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Link
ahsant, ameen, except I pray the curse be upon zionist and their supporters, not all jews, and I know Zionist is what the Imam meant, many jews are against Israel.

ws
How do you know? Are you an aquaintance of his?
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Link
08-07-2006, 08:43 PM
Well it's what muslims mean when they say bad thing about jews these days, it's a common thing muslims understand, it is refering to zionist, not all jews.
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MRR
08-07-2006, 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Link
Well it's what muslims mean when they say bad thing about jews these days, it's a common thing muslims understand, it is refering to zionist, not all jews.
So all muslims are the same?
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Link
08-07-2006, 08:47 PM
The whole umma will unite inshallah. May God bless this Imam.
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MRR
08-07-2006, 08:49 PM
That answers nothing.
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 09:25 PM
Originally Posted by MRR
So all muslims are the same?
of course not, many muslims have different idealogies but the basics are the same :). I wouldnt care what most muslims think, i jus wanna unite!!!
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syilla
08-08-2006, 01:38 AM
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north_malaysian
08-08-2006, 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by syilla
The imam read this 'prayer' too....
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syilla
08-08-2006, 06:09 AM
can anyone translate the dua...please...

i'm not good with translation.
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north_malaysian
08-08-2006, 06:27 AM
Originally Posted by syilla
can anyone translate the dua...please...

i'm not good with translation.
Dont want to translate because some people would be :offended: :offended:
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syilla
08-08-2006, 07:19 AM
i have in bm ...

but i don't think the translation pin point to anyone...

just enemy of islam...i think...(i'm not good in arabic)
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north_malaysian
08-08-2006, 08:10 AM
Originally Posted by syilla
i have in bm ...

but i don't think the translation pin point to anyone...

just enemy of islam...i think...(i'm not good in arabic)
but i think some people might get offended:offended: :offended:

If u think it's ok... you can translate it and post it here... but not me. Sorry.
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Muezzin
08-08-2006, 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by MRR
It is unlikely you will find many here that get angered by this hatred being preached from the pulpit. Many say they dont hate the jews but when this stuff is said they are silent. Try saying "hamas and hezbollah are terrorist organizations and should be wiped of the map. God curse them."

That is likely to get a little more response.
Probably not. You see, Muslims are not to interrupt when the Imam gives his Friday sermon.

After the prayer, on the other hand, people can and do discuss things with the Imam.

Don't jump to conclusions, and don't assume that silence is support.

Originally Posted by QuranStudy
Jews are Allah's creations, and even the Quran states that Jews have a covenant with Allah (Baqara).

If you want to be a real Muslim, start treating Jews like humans and dont judge by their religion. Follow the actions and words of the Prophet towards Jews.
Agreed.

No one is saying we have to give up being Muslim. All we have to do is show common courtesy to people in general, Jews included. Anti-Semitism isn't prescribed by Islam.
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S_87
08-08-2006, 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by syilla
:sl:

Ameen!!!!!

much of that Dua is from what Muhammed :arabic5: said in situations so we must not worry what people would think.

this dua is asking for Allah to smite the necks and backs of the enemy, divide them, shake the earth, ie give them earthquakes. and to defeat them and assist the muslims against them.
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scentsofjannah
08-08-2006, 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by QuranStudy
Taken out of context. The Quran does not refer to Jews in general.
true. because in many verses Allah also talks about the good God fearing Jews who stand up all night in prayer.
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scentsofjannah
08-08-2006, 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by lavikor201
Cursing the Jews and promoting Anti-Semitism in a mosque... how suprising...

And the fact that the Quran says the Jews have said Ezra is the son of G-d is very funny.

Your not Jewish if you believe that G-d has a son because that is declaring you to be a Pagan which is renouncing Judaism. Same thing if you decide there is no G-d. Your renouncing Jewish faith in that act.

i think you need to check your Torah again..many different Prophets are called Sons of God.

ofcourse thats borrowed from Paganism
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MRR
08-09-2006, 02:26 AM
Originally Posted by Muezzin
Don't jump to conclusions, and don't assume that silence is support.
I wasn't refering to people at the mosque, I was refering to people on this forum. Many can be quite touchy about insignificant issues, and almost always angrily dispute negative comments made about hamas, hezbollah and nearly anything that is commonly a muslim freindly group, topic, etc. Make the same type of comments about jews, or alot of other nonmuslim people, and the forum is silent.
Imagine it this way. Let us say that the Imam was a christian preacher, and he gave a fiery sermon about muslims. Suppose he said in this sermon, "muslims, God's curse upon them", and "May God help the jews". Would people still say "ameen to his dua"?
People can deny it all they want, the fact remains, that if bigotry was not so common on this forum(and in the rest of the world) then the same angry responses would be common for all negative comments about groups of people, not just muslims.
The funny thing about denial is, no matter how strongly it is denied, it doesn't change the fact that it is true.
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north_malaysian
08-09-2006, 02:39 AM
Originally Posted by MRR
Make the same type of comments about jews, or alot of other nonmuslim people, and the forum is silent.
Is the forum .... really silent? Dahir might be angry with ya!!!:uuh: :uuh: :uuh:
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ManchesterFolk
08-10-2006, 01:40 AM
What if this was about a Temple and a Rabbi saying "Muslims, Gods curse upon them!"

People would be yelling about this...

But its an Immam so everyone doesn't really care about the bigotry.
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scentsofjannah
08-10-2006, 01:59 AM
Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
What if this was about a Temple and a Rabbi saying "Muslims, Gods curse upon them!"

People would be yelling about this...

But its an Immam so everyone doesn't really care about the bigotry.
if He generalised jews..then its wrong..you know theres an important thing you and MRR need to understand.

Israel likes to make it seem that all jews are zionists..untill a few years ago i always thought all jews support Israel since its the state that has been established for jews only..so they all hate palestinians and dont want the occupation to end.etc etc.

so Imagine my shock when i saw on aljazeera this orthdox Jewish Rabbi complete with his 18th century Polish clothes..totally speaking out against the injustice, the occupation and disagreeing totally with the very existence of Israel?? this interview took the arabic speaking world by storm..


there are muslims to this day who think all jewish people are zionists because they mistakenly think that zionism is part and parcel of the religion of Judaism..they believe this because thats what Israelis and Zionists say. Israel is a zionist state and a state for jews but is it a 'jewish' state purely?no...its amazing how even in Antiwar demonstrations muslms are so surprised by Orthodox Jews who make an effort to protest even on Sabbaths. Its a sad fact too the the Zionist Jews beat them up.

back to the Khutbah

What is the proper action to take? Brother North Malaysian please talk to the Imam..ask him why he made those statements..and make him aware of the existence of a fastgrowing totally NonZionist humane, compassionate, peaceloving Jewish population.
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ManchesterFolk
08-10-2006, 02:00 AM
Its irrelavent.

The Quran says "JEW" not "Zionist" so in essance, the Anti-Semitism spoken by this Imam is supported by Islams holy book.

Very sad.
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scentsofjannah
08-10-2006, 02:05 AM
Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
Its irrelavent.

The Quran says "JEW" not "Zionist" so in essance, the Anti-Semitism spoken by this Imam is supported by Islams holy book.

Very sad.
Allah NEVER generalises Jews or Christians..its you who thinks so.

if Allah did then what is the purpose of Him informing us of the good Jews and the good Christians?
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scentsofjannah
08-10-2006, 02:13 AM
Qur'an 3:113-117 Surah Ale-'Imran (The Family of 'Imran)

Not all of them are alike: of the People of the book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the signs of Allah all night long and then prostrate themselves in adoration.

They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong; and they (hasten in emulation) in (all) good works; they are in the ranks of the righteous.

Of the good that they do nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

Those who reject faith neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah; they will be companions of the fire dwelling therein (for ever).
What they spend in the life of this (material) world may be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: it strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged their own souls; it is not Allah that hath wronged them but they wrong themselves
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scentsofjannah
08-10-2006, 02:14 AM
People of the Book= Jews and Christians
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ManchesterFolk
08-10-2006, 02:22 AM
What about the last page of posts talking about how Jews have Gods curse upon them? Well?
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north_malaysian
08-10-2006, 03:00 AM
Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
What about the last page of posts talking about how Jews have Gods curse upon them? Well?
God cursed bad jews, not good jews.

Do you know that in Battle of Uhud, Prophet Muhammad called a rabbi as a 'martyr'.

Imagine, a Jewish rabbi defending Islamic state of Medina.... that's cool...
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scentsofjannah
08-10-2006, 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
What about the last page of posts talking about how Jews have Gods curse upon them? Well?

Allah talks about the bad jews..those that distorted the pristine messages of the Prophets (peace be upon them all)

Qur'an 5:77-80 Surah Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)



Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper) trespassing beyond the truth nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by who misled many and strayed (themselves) from the even way.

Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected faith by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

Nor did they (usually) forbid one another the iniquities which they committed: evil indeed were the deeds which they did.

Thou seest many of them turning in friendship to the unbelievers. Evil indeed are (the works) which their souls have sent forward before them (with the result) that Allah's wrath is on them and in torment will they abide.


Surah 3:75-80 Ale-'Imran (The Family of 'Imran)


Among the People of the Book are some who if entrusted with a hoard of gold will (readily) pay it back; others who if entrusted with a single silver coin will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding because they say "There is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (pagans)." But they tell a lie against Allah and (well) they know it.

Nay. Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright verily Allah loves those who act aright.

As for those who sell the faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price they shall have no portion in the hereafter: nor will Allah (deign to) speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment nor will He cleanse them (of sin); they shall have a grievous penalty.

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues; (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book but it is no part of the Book; and they say "That is from Allah" but it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah and (well) they know it!

It is not (possible) that a man to whom is given the Book and Wisdom and the prophetic office should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's; on the contrary (he would say): "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all for ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."

Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and Patrons. What! Would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will to Allah ?
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S_87
08-10-2006, 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
What about the last page of posts talking about how Jews have Gods curse upon them? Well?
you read one verse in the Quran and think you know the whole thing and are able to question? why not read a whole translation for yourself before judging?
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north_malaysian
08-11-2006, 08:05 AM
Today, the khatib talked about 'bribery and corruption' in friday sermon... but I dont know other mosques
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