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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 12:30 PM
I know this is old news but the "new middle east" resolution worries me.

If theres a new middle east what does that mean? Are they gonna implement there western laws into the middle east? SubhanAllah isnt britain and America bad enuff for now, now they want to make the middle east another Ar-Rum (Britain/Rome). SubhanAllah times are only getting worse!!!




Rice wants ceasefire that helps forge 'new Middle East' Sheldon Alberts, CanWest News Service

Published: Saturday, July 22, 2006 Article tools

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday rejected international calls for an early ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah extremists, saying a quick end to the fighting would only give Lebanese and Israeli civilians the "false promise" of a lasting peace.

Rice will embark Sunday to the Middle East on an emergency diplomatic mission to open talks aimed at bringing a "sustainable end" to the violence.

She will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert before heading to Italy for negotiations with the Lebanon "core group," which includes representatives from Egypt, France, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, Russia and the Lebanese government.

The U.S. is "beginning to see the outlines of a political framework" that would require Hezbollah to disarm and include eventual deployment of a "robust" international force to the Lebanese-Israeli border, Rice said.

"We do seek an end to the current violence, and we seek it urgently," she said.

But Rice stressed the U.S. Bush administration is not interested in "quick fixes" and said the world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East" in the current fighting between Israel and Hezbollah.

"A ceasefire would be a false promise if it simply returns us to the status quo, allowing terrorists to launch attacks at the time and terms of their choosing," Rice told reporters at a U.S. State Department news conference.

"I have no interest in diplomacy for the sake of returning Lebanon and Israel to the status quo ante E Whatever we do, we have to be certain that we are pushing forward to the new Middle East, not going back to the old one."

Rice's remarks came amid fresh criticism from U.S. liberals, who accuse the Bush administration of mishandling the crisis.

Senator Edward Kennedy called the administration's refusal to seek an immediate halt to the fighting "a disaster" that could lead to further escalation of the violence.

"We have effectively abdicated our position in that part of the world," Kennedy told Bloomberg television. "Unless the United States is involved and engaged in using its good offices, and trying to find the forces on all sides to advance the cause of peace, we're going to continue to see cycles of violence."

The U.S. reluctance to seek a speedy ceasefire, however, stems from President George W. Bush's view that Israel's fight against Hezbollah is part of the broader war on terror in the Middle East, and his belief in the need for a democratic transformation in the region.

The White House maintains that disarming Hezbollah in southern Lebanon will allow the nascent, democratically elected Lebanese government to emerge as a stable and peaceful neighbour of Israel.

"Those extremists want to strangle (the Lebanese government) in its crib E much as the extremists want to strangle other new democratic governments in the region," Rice said.

"We are going through a very violent time," she added, but "people need to stand strong now. The time has come, not to just take a temporary solution that is going to fall apart."

Administration critics, though, say the explosion of violence between Hezbollah and Israel is evidence that U.S. policy in the Middle East is backfiring.

The White House strongly supported free elections in the region, only to see voters embrace Hamas in the Palestinian Authority and reward Hezbollah with enough political power in Beirut to thwart efforts to rein in its fighters.

"The Bush administration decided to make Lebanon one of the test cases of transformation and promotion of democracy," said Martin Indyk, a senior fellow in Middle East studies at the Brookings Institution. "The Lebanese got freedom, but they paid in terms of stability."

At a symposium on Israeli-Hezbollah crisis this week, Indyk said Lebanon's inability to control Hezbollah mirrors the problems facing Iraq's democratically elected government.

Over the past two months, more than 6,000 Iraqi civilians have died in rampant sectarian violence.

A reassessment of U.S. policy favouring transformation of the Middle East through regime change and democratization is "long overdue, but it is not happening," Indyk said.

Tony Snow, Bush's press secretary, on Friday dismissed critics who claim the U.S. support for democracy had fostered greater instability in the Middle East.

"The president never said this would be easy," Snow said in a televised interview.

"He said it's going to take time. Everybody who wants this kind of egg-timer diplomacy, who thinks, `Okay, these things ought to happen quickly' -- you don't understand human nature E Many times (terrorists) are going to fight to the death. We hope that is not the case in Lebanon."
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Dawud_uk
08-07-2006, 12:34 PM
subhanallah the arrogance of the west,

they are unable to enforce their rule against two tiny insurgencies in iraq and afghanistan and yet now they talk of imposing their will over the whole region?

they are all talk and bluster, not even bush and blair are this stupid as if they tried to change the whole region to their thinking they would hasten a larger scale war they could not win and hasten the return of the khilafa.

they plot and Allah plots and Allah is the best of plotters.

Daw'ud
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 12:36 PM
^ I didnt think of it that way brother. I was thinking what if those in the middle east like the ways of the British/Americans and give in to luxury. I was worried that middle east might become corrupted but it seems you think that they will fight against the oppressing british and israellis :)
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Dawud_uk
08-07-2006, 12:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mazed
^ I didnt think of it that way brother. I was thinking what if those in the middle east like the ways of the British/Americans and give in to luxury. I was worried that middle east might become corrupted but it seems you think that they will fight against the oppressing british and israellis :)
as Allah states in the Quran, they plot and Allah plots and Allah is the best of plotters.
even stict secularists like the Journalists for Dawn newspaper in pakistan are writing how great it is to see islam on the rise again.

this is the man utd syndrome, muslims returning to their deen because of seeing victory of the muslims or at least not a comprehensive defeat like that which faced the arab and other nationalists in the past.

Daw'ud
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guyabano
08-07-2006, 01:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
subhanallah the arrogance of the west,
How good that you live there in the middle east, and not in UK, where you can have a working Social Security System, a Job, get food just around the corner....right?
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 01:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
How good that you live there in the middle east, and not in UK, where you can have a working Social Security System, a Job, get food just around the corner....right?
thats the problem with the west, you think convenience leisure and pleasure is everything. Theres more to life then that, we want minimal crimes and peace which is ONLY possible under strict enforcement of the sharia!
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amirah_87
08-07-2006, 01:46 PM
as salaamu aalykum,

I'm sorry!!...but i don't quite get what you mean by the new middle east!! :hiding:

new in what way!!...:?

sorry akhee :-\
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 01:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by amirah_87
as salaamu aalykum,
:wasalamex

I'm sorry!!...but i don't quite get what you mean by the new middle east!! :hiding:
Condoleeza rice wants lebanon/syria/palestine etc "under new management". This means she wants no more "islamic ruling".

new in what way!!...:?
new unlike the current saudi/yemen/syria etc and very much like britain/america.

sorry akhee :-\
lol

:salamext:
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amirah_87
08-07-2006, 02:01 PM
wa alaykum as salaam,

Condoleeza rice wants lebanon/syria/palestine etc "under new management". This means she wants no more "islamic ruling".
:ooh: subhanAllah!! ..no more islamic rulings!!... I feel like makin' some duaah against her!!
"under new management"!!..why's it she has a say on what goes on miles away from her home land :?
does she really have that kind of authority? :-\

jazaakallahu khayr akhee!! :peace:
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Link
08-07-2006, 02:05 PM
Any dumb monafiq want to say US, Britain, and Israel have not declared a war against Islam?

How strange! How strange! By Alláh my heart sinks to see the unity of these
people on their wrong and your dispersion from your right. Woe and grief befall
you. You have become the target at which arrows are shot. You are being killed
and you do not kill. You are being attacked but you do not attack. Alláh is being
disobeyed and you remain agreeable to it.
(Imam Ali (as), Nahjul Balagha,Sermon 27)
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 02:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by amirah_87
wa alaykum as salaam,



:ooh: subhanAllah!! ..no more islamic rulings!!... I feel like makin' some duaah against her!!
"under new management"!!..why's it she has a say on what goes on miles away from her home land :?
does she really have that kind of authority? :-\

jazaakallahu khayr akhee!! :peace:
the fat women has the support of the Americans and Israelli's because shes U.S. Secretary of State , and seeing as israel has pretty much demolished lebanon theres not much standing in her way... but the muslims just cant let this happen :heated:
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 02:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Link
Any dumb monafiq want to say US, Britain, and Israel have not declared a war against Islam?

How strange! How strange! By Alláh my heart sinks to see the unity of these
people on their wrong and your dispersion from your right. Woe and grief befall
you. You have become the target at which arrows are shot. You are being killed
and you do not kill. You are being attacked but you do not attack. Alláh is being
disobeyed and you remain agreeable to it.
(Imam Ali (as), Nahjul Balagha,Sermon 27)
brother who is imam Ali and whats Nahjul balagha?
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Link
08-07-2006, 02:09 PM
For those guys still think this is just between hizbollah and Israel, and nothing to do with the taghoot worshipers vs the believers in God's hukim, wake up and smell the flowers!!
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Link
08-07-2006, 02:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mazed
brother who is imam Ali and whats Nahjul balagha?
Imam Ali (as) to shias was the Successor of the Prophet (pbuh) and to sunnis, the 4th Caliph, and both sunni and shias acknowledge he was to Mohammad (pbuh) like Harun (as) was to Musa (as) except that he was not a Prophet.

ws
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 02:14 PM
aah, Ali Ibn Abi Talib RA :)
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al-fateh
08-07-2006, 02:18 PM
the new middle east is nothing but trouble
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amirah_87
08-07-2006, 02:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mazed
the fat women has the support of the Americans and Israelli's because shes U.S. Secretary of State , and seeing as israel has pretty much demolished lebanon theres not much standing in her way... but the muslims just cant let this happen :heated:
as salaamu alaykum,

I got disconnected!! :grumbling

She's a real pain in the rear end though isn't she!! :X

Allah yahdeehaa

and both sunni and shias acknowledge he was to Mohammad (pbuh) like Harun (as) was to Musa (as) except that he was not a Prophet.
d'you have a source for that!!?? a hadeeth etc!!..

jazaakallahu khayr!
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Link
08-07-2006, 02:45 PM
Salam

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Your position to me is like the
position of Aaron (Haroon) to Moses, except that there shall be no
Prophet after me"

Sunni References:
(1) Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions 5.56, 5.700
(2) Sahih Muslim, Arabic, v4, pp 1870-71
(3) Sunan Ibn Majah, p12
(4) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p174
(5) al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 15-16
(6) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, p309

ws
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amirah_87
08-07-2006, 02:46 PM
as salaamu alaykum,

JazakAllahu khayr, I did not know that!!..:thumbs_up
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guyabano
08-07-2006, 03:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mazed
thats the problem with the west, you think convenience leisure and pleasure is everything. Theres more to life then that, we want minimal crimes and peace which is ONLY possible under strict enforcement of the sharia!
nope, that is your point of view ! We prefer DEMOCRACY, and not Sharia.
If you don't like the way, UK and the rest of Western world is leaded, so why are you still there?
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 03:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
nope, that is your point of view ! We prefer DEMOCRACY, and not Sharia.
If you don't like the way, UK and the rest of Western world is leaded, so why are you still there?
family :-\ but muslims clearly prefer the sharia and [MAD]We dont want a new middle east[/MAD]
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guyabano
08-07-2006, 04:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mazed
family :-\ but muslims clearly prefer the sharia and [MAD]We dont want a new middle east[/MAD]
sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim
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Dawud_uk
08-07-2006, 04:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence guyabano,

to you as a non-muslim, if someone says they pray, fast, give charity and act nice but just dont want to follow shariah and dont agree with it as a muslim then they might seem good.

but to us such a person has disbelieved in the message of islam, we cant pick and choose which bits we like and which not like some christians do.

either this is the law of Allah and his messenger (saws) or it is not, it is that simple.

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence
Daw'ud
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-07-2006, 05:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim

sharia is islamic law, if a muslim doesnt like sharia there is a problem with his faith. All true believers in islam think the sharia will make the best state !
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Skillganon
08-07-2006, 11:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HusamLah
it's happening before our eyes
Asslamu alaikum sis

What's happening in front of our eyes?

You making me paranoid :rollseyes LOL
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-08-2006, 08:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by HusamLah
we dont want a new middle east does that count for anything?
as condoleeza rice has said on SKY NEWS:

"We will have a middle east, for those who dont like it, we will win, get used to it..."
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Woodrow
08-08-2006, 09:04 PM
The Middle East of today is not the middle east it was yesterday and neither is it what it will be tomorrow.

In my lifetime I have seen country and city names change. Boundries change, alliances with nations change.

I seen Persia become Iran. Constanople became Istanbul, French Morocco and Spanish Morocco became Morocco. I watched much of North Africa switch alliances from Spain, to France, to Usa, to Germany and Italy, Back to USA, to Saudi Arabia. Etc. I seen prdominetly nomadic people settle down and become city dwellers after thousands of years wandering the Sahara and then Settling in Sudan, Eritrea, and Ethiopia. I seen Saudi Arabia go from isolation from the world to the modern technology of the 20th century.

Yes, there will be a new Mid-East, The only questions are what countries will be welcome into it.
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IbnAbdulHakim
08-08-2006, 09:06 PM
^ Wise bro !!!


i just hope its stil a muslim country !!
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searcheroftruth
08-08-2006, 11:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim



do you no that if the sharia was the law in every country in the world today there would no rape and all the other nasty things that go on today the world would be peaceful
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Dawud_uk
08-09-2006, 06:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by searcheroftruth
do you no that if the sharia was the law in every country in the world today there would no rape and all the other nasty things that go on today the world would be peaceful

assalaamu alaykum,

if only this was true!

remember there were rare isolated cases of rape even under Muhammad (saws) and the rightly guided khalifs!

but what we can say is that shariah would help such things be minimalised and where they occured they would be punished fairly and according to Allah's law.

remember shariah isnt just about cutting heads and hands off murderers, rapists and thieves or flogging adulterers and public drunkards but is also about creating justice and eliminating needless poverty.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud
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