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InToTheRain
08-09-2006, 10:49 PM
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For those who defend Israel, they should have a good reason for doing so and speak their part. However, I have written below the danger Israel poses to mankind as it is lead by Zionists.

One only has to do a little research on the net to find out how corrupt this so called so called Ideology is, its founder is Theodor Herzl who is well known to be an atheist making it a secular Ideology, it is evil to the core. you all should know that Judaism and Zionism are completely different, even though Zionists claim that it is linked to religious tradition (more lies to make excuses for raping the Mid east) we can use our intellect to see its founder was an atheist therefore it has nothing at all to do with Judaism’s Torah (which was I a divine revelation). If you don't believe me at least believe people who specialise in Judaism:

The American writer Lenni Brenner, who in 1983 made the statement that "Zionism is not now, nor was it ever, co-extensive with either Judaism or the Jewish people."
And it was another of them, the American diplomat Henry Morgenthau Senior, who said in 1921 that "Zionism is the most stupendous fallacy in Jewish history." He added, "I speak as a Jew!"

The followers of Zionism have the Talmud and its off-spring the Zohar as their holy books, and this constantly teaches to kill non-Jews. For example:

"If a Jew throws his neighbour into a pit which contains a ladder. Then hastens to remove it, he is not liable for the death of the neighbour" (Sanhedrin 77h))

In fact we saw an open practice of this during the intifada uprising in Gaza in 1988, the world was horrified that the Israeli soldiers buried alive in a pit four Palestinian youths...

This book the Talmud and Zohar teaches Zionist that it is ok to kill non-Jews and their will not have completely repented for their sins until all gentiles are killed:

“Those who deny the Torah and Prophets of Israel, the law is all those should be killed, and those who have the power of life and death should have them killed. And if this cannot be done they should be led to their death by deceptive methods”. Talmud – Choschen Hammisclipat 156.5 Hagah


We saw an example of this law in practice in 1982 by Ariel Sharon, he left 800 corpses to rot in the refugee camps of Shatila and Sabra in Lebanon for the news media of the world to see. In 2002 he 1st banned the media from the west bank and then avoiding huge acts of mass murder he left his troops to commit innumerable isolated acts of outrage, as a result thousands of Palestinians were killed or injured, but in a way that is harder to quantify and easier to deny. This explains why Israel are capable of performing acts of atrocities never heard of before and we still see it happening today...

The sort of behaviour Zionists have towards Non-Jews show Israel produces and ultimately benefits from acts of terrorism, as this lets them create reasons to unjustly and collectively punish more innocent civilians by giving the "they are terrorists" excuse. In actual fact the Israel State and its government are terrorists, and they openly admit this! In a conversation with British diplomat Gaylord How, Menachem Begin (1st primeminister of Israel) was asked if he was the father of terrorism in the Mid-east. No he replied expansively, I’m the father of terrorism in the whole world!

And finally, to those who say "But they want peace!" even after knowing all this should know how their belief in accountability for their actions, lies and sins work. The Jewish method of repentance is once a year on the eve of Yan Capur, millions of Jews world wide recite the Kol Nidrei prayer which lets them repent for all sins great or small they may commit over the next year! Therefore once it has been performed they start doing those very sins which they repented for, confident that should they die during the sin, they will go to heaven as they have repented a year in advance.

This prayer is the prime cause of anti-Semitism. This is because it gives the Jews the right to break promises over the next year, not just to God, But to man. Historically many gentiles, especially in Europe have understood that the word of a Jew who prays the Kol Nidrei prayer cannot be trusted.

Henry ford said (bearborn independent – Nov.5.1921) - it requires no argument to show that if this prayer be really the rule of faith and conduct for Jews who utter it, ordinary social and business relations are impossible to maintain with them”.

It’s no wonder they are able to lie about the deaths of millions about the Holocaust or should I say Holohoax, designed to gather sympathy from the gullible west. More info here:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

http://christianparty.net/holocaust.htm

There is much more historical evidence and evidence from the Talmud which prove how dangerous Israel is. But they shouldn't be blamed alone, there are always the evangelical Christians who constantly support Israel in their atrocities... if only the Christians knew what the Zionists really think of them... maybe it’s too late now.

I am not trying to incite hate for a race, but justifying why the actions of the Israel should be hated and why when it says it intends something it cannot be trusted based because it is based on Zionism, its past actions and its actions to date. Therefore I conclude good natured person will naturally hate Zionism, and should understand that there are no justifiable grounds to defend this Ideology which is adopted by Israel.
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lavikor201
08-09-2006, 10:57 PM
It’s no wonder they are able to lie about the deaths of millions about the Holocaust.
So your a Holocaust denier? That makes your credibility go up for sure. (Sarcastic)
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InToTheRain
08-09-2006, 11:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by lavikor201
So your a Holocaust denier? That makes your credibility go up for sure. (Sarcastic)
O, So u are a Holohoax deniar, that makes your credibilty go up for sure (Sarcastic)
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InToTheRain
08-10-2006, 09:11 AM
wether I believe in the Holocaust or not doesn't change the FACT that Israel is a terrorist, the FACT that their belief teaches them to kill innocents, the FACT that Israel has enforced Zionism which can be seen throughout Israels history, the FACT that they are encouraged to perform atrocities because their belief says they can commit any sin and get away with it.


Lavikor who is a Jew (I assume since he is Israel, Haifa) appears not to have any FACTS or evidences to refute my post about the threat Zionism and the Israeli state poses.
The only thing he questioned was my OPINION on the Holocaust and I have conluded its false in the light of the strong evidence provided to me and the credibility of its witnesses, I am not saying it is a fact that it didn't happen, Im sating its like theories such as Darwinism, its one of those things which may appear theoritically possible but can never be proven. However one only needs to see the detail of evidences against it to realise it is false.

I made this thread as a challenge to those who defend the acts of the Israeli state, Im not saying every individual in Israel is to be blames, But those that support the Zionism political movement and Ideology certainly are.
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Joe98
08-10-2006, 10:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah
the FACT that their belief teaches them to kill innocents.......

Thank you for teaching us about the beliefs of Islam ;)
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adi8putra
08-10-2006, 10:39 AM
Dear all, i came acrross some articles when searching d net & find it somehow a little bit disturbing. just go through d link provided & give some comments on it. it is written by Professor Israel Shahak. i would like to hear some opinion on this. thanks.

Murder and Genocide

ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew. A Jew who indirectly causes the death of another Jew is, however, only guilty of what talmudic law calls a sin against the 'laws of Heaven', to be punished by God rather than by man.

When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court.1 To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.2

Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, 'one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice .., there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly:3 He points out, however, that an act leading indirectly to a Gentile's death is forbidden if it may cause the spread of hostility towards Jews.4

A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished.5

All this has a direct and practical relevance to the realities of the State of Israel. Although the state's criminal laws make no distinction between Jew and Gentile, such distinction is certainly made by Orthodox rabbis, who in guiding their flock follow the Halakhah. Of special importance is the advice they give to religious soldiers.

Since even the minimal interdiction against murdering a Gentile outright applies only to 'Gentiles with whom we [the Jews] are not at war', various rabbinical commentators in the past drew the logical conclusion that in wartime all Gentiles belonging to a hostile population may, or even should be killed.6 Since 1973 this doctrine is being publicly propagated for the guidance of religious Israeli soldiers.

http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupatio...ak.html#Murder
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InToTheRain
08-10-2006, 01:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
Thank you for teaching us about the beliefs of Islam ;)
Do you have any proof/evidence for this huge accusation against Islam? Im afraid if you want to prove something you will have to be objective. I dont need your prejudice opinion or anyone elses, you might value it (Hence your OPINION of Islam) but Im some one who only seeks the truth.

So far I stand correct about my initial post since no one has provided any evidence to refute it.
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Goku
08-15-2006, 03:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
Thank you for teaching us about the beliefs of Islam ;)
No....
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Geronimo
08-15-2006, 03:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah
O, So u are a Holohoax deniar, that makes your credibilty go up for sure (Sarcastic)
Yup this is fake





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Trumble
08-15-2006, 09:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by lavikor201
So your a Holocaust denier? That makes your credibility go up for sure. (Sarcastic)
I must agree, I stopped reading at that point.

@ 'WnbSlveOfAllah'

Nonsensical Holocaust denial just reveals your motive for posting to be precisely "trying to incite hate for a race". Why are the atrocities you document any more "real" than the Holocaust except that it is convenient for you to pretend so for that purpose?
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