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Ummah
06-03-2005, 01:32 PM
Asalaamualaikum

"muslims are the oppressors of women" - heard it all before? Well one form of ammunition for such anti-islamic propoganda material is "the permission for polygamy". Many Hindu and Christian missionaries preach about how polygamy is wrong and islam is thus wrong for making polygamy permissable for men.

Then why is it that BOTH hinduism AND christianity ALLOW polygamy? The scriptuers and laws may have been amended to suit the needs and desires, ther values and the cultures of contemporary society - But that doesnt matter because we should look at the original scriptures to see what was initially preached, because surely the original scriptures are the depiction of the REAL christianity and hinduism, not the new modern versions, because such innovations mean that christianity and hinduism are living with parallels within themselves, because their scriptures have been edited and thus corrupted, this makes the "modern" editions of both religions, nothing like the orthodox - thus making them a completely new religion. - this also raises the question of "just how old IS hinduism?" - but that's another topic all together.

In the bible we can clearly see the laws created on the grounds of polygamy in the chapter:Deuteronomy 21:15-17 we read, "If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his."

Now come on, if polygamy in christianity was forbidden, then surely there wouldnt be a need for such a verse? Why on earth would a Christian require a ruling on keeping more than one wife, if such an act was prohibited anyway?

Now we come to Hinduism! Anyone who knows about the history of hinduism will know that "Lord Ram"s father had 4 wives.
"Krsna became a householder (head of a household) in Dvaraka and married many wives, and had many sons and grandsons : Srimad Bhagavatam 10:90:27-44; 11:1:1-4; 11:30:1-25.

"One of Krsna's wives asked Krsna to give her a son equal to the lord of the gods" Linga Purana 1:69:71, 82-84.

"Now a Brahmin may take four wives in the direct order of the (four) castes." -- Visnusmrti 24:1.

"One thing mixed with another should not be sold, nor anything that is spoiled, deficient, far away, or concealed. If one girl is shown but another is given to the bridegroom, he may marry both of them for the single bride-price; that is what Manu says." -- Manusmrti 8:203-4.

are they ashamed of their religions? is that why they edit their scriptures so often?..... No matter what they say about Islam, deep inside theyre ashamed of their own beliefs thus creating NEW beliefs and values. Apart from totally contradicting themselves and becoming hypocrites and two-faced liars... surely theyre also being blasphemous? In addition theyre also offending the very prophets (pbut) they follow, are they saying they know better than what Jesus (as) and Moses(as) inititally preached?

(also did anybody notice the lack of equality between the wives in the biblical quote, and the lack of equality between social hierarchy in the hindu quotes?)

I'll leave you to think about that one.

Id also like to add, The most common reason given for changing the polygamy law was because they believe that.. "As the civilization of the people reached a higher form and, especially under the teaching of the prophets, their moral and religious consciousness developed, the polygamous system gradually declined."
(http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FA...section-55.html)

What are they trying to say? Are they undermining the teachings of the Prophets (as)?? The prophets (as) were not your average human being, they were sent with a message, a message to reform society and bring them to the right path. Not JUST the society of of their contemporary, rather the societies of every generation. Thus the book should have been kept intact

There is great wisdom behind every ruling Allah swt sets and passes on through the word of the Messengers (as). I cant believe i have to even say this but surely they know that Allah swt KNOWS of the future? He swt knows how people will change, how society will develop, Why would Allah swt set rulings that will have no importance come nearer the time of judgment day??

Quote:
Nowadays, technically, polygamy is permitted among non-Ashkenazi
(non-Northern European tradition) Jews and Ashkenazi Jews who obtain
special permission of 100 rabbis (as in the case of (G-d forbid) a
wife who becomes incapacitated). However, this is largely an academic
question, because:
* Most Jews live in countries that ban polygamy by civil law.
* Most Jews still follow Rabenu Gershom's edict that banned
polygamy.

Yeminite Jews are a distinct case, being neither Ashkenazi or
Sephardi. The Yemenite Jews were isolated from all Jewish people from
the time of their exile in the middle of the first Temple period until
recently. Yeminite Jews do not follow Rabbi Gersonm's edict, and
believe that in some cases, the Torah even requires polygamy. An
example cited is the case of "yebum", in which a man's brother dies
and he must marry his wife, even if he is married already. As a
result, some Yemenite Jews still take plural wives.

Note: The Sephardic community in Israel has its own ban on performing
polygamous marriages in Israel. In Israel, some Yemenites who came
with more than one wife, still have them (including the last wave of


Like how many contradictions were there in that paragraph alone ?
(judaism - see link at top of this message for source). How many exceptions for
different types of people? Is there no form of unity?
immigration).

Ma'salaama

Ansar Al-'Adl
06-03-2005, 04:12 PM
:sl:
interesting article. Could you provide the source for the article? a link?

Ummah
06-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Asalaamualaikum

i wrote it bro... that's why it probably sounds pretty amateur, and i'd appreciate it if anybody could point out any mistakes i made, as mostly im speaking my mind. any parts where i used external sources, i have already provided links for.

JazakhAllah and Ma'salaama

Ansar Al-'Adl
06-04-2005, 08:16 PM
i wrote it bro... that's why it probably sounds pretty amateur
:sl: You wrote it? SubhanAllah, it is very professional, and you brought in some excellent references, especially from hinduism.

You could probably add more points to your article from the following:
http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_comparison_full2.htm#_Toc335566667
http://www.bilalphilips.com/abouthim/artic04a.htm
http://www.polygamy.com/Islam/Polygamy-In-Islamic-Law.htm

So far your article does a great job of exposing the forgotten teachings of the other religions. I think it would be good if you added some information about the Islamic view on Polygamy as well.

Again, excellent job. :)

:w:

Ummah
06-04-2005, 08:27 PM
^ jazakhAllah bro, yeah i think it would be important to talk about islam in the places where Hindu scriptures illuminate it's lack of equality between women and men - considering opposing belief of Islam, where a man should treat all wives equally or else only marry one.

Also the pinnacle of islamic beliefs being that all humans regardless of gender or social status deserve equal rights as muslims, highlighting the reasons a muslim man can take more than one wife, to eradicate this division in community on the basis of social status - as when a woman and man are married they become one regardless of their difference in social and ethnic backgrounds.

JazakhAllah once again for the comments and for the links.

Ma'salaama

Preacher
06-21-2005, 10:01 PM
:sl:

Please read the following enlightening articles/refutations from a very unique and different perspective.

Polygyny in Islaam
Monogamy vs. Polygyny
And
Illegal Polygamy of the West vs. So-called Monogamy of the West! (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/polygyny.htm)

Was Aisha عائشه رضی الله عنها a child bride? (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/aisha.htm)

Woman’s Testimony in Islaam! (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/testimony.htm)

Female circumcision in Islaam. (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/fc.htm)

How women are treated in Bible and Qur’aan! (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/treatment.htm)

Wife Killing & Daughter Burning in the Bible! (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/wd.htm)

Did Allah forget the wives? (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/052.021.htm)

Enjoy reading and pass them on to others please.

Warm regards

Rabi'ya
07-30-2005, 12:53 PM
Assalamualaikum

Jazak Allah for a wonderful article. There are many points in the bible where polygymy is discussed. If I can find the references I will defintiely post. Its definitely a topic which needs to be highlighted to followers of other religions. As a revert I realise now the flaws that are taught especially within Christianity(as I went to a Christian school) I cannot comment on any other religions as I do not have the knowledge.

This thread is a very good topic MashaAllah

Wsalaam

Rabi'ya :rose:

SiUNaMun
08-02-2005, 10:05 PM
It was my understanding that in the Bible, the Old Testament Law gave permission for men to be married to more than one wife. However Christians today [who follow the New Testament Law] are ordered to have only One Wife/One Husband.

This can be found in 1 Timothy 3:2 the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity

Though I am not an expert in Christianity, I do have friends who have explained all this to me.

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