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Wahid
08-19-2006, 03:14 AM
Stand alongside Hizbullah, Lebanon's army tells troops

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/stor...853722,00.html
Clancy Chassay in Beirut
Saturday August 19, 2006
The Guardian


An internal Lebanese army statement, circulated among forces in the past week, has called for troops to stand "alongside your resistance and your people who astonished the world with its steadfastness and destroyed the prestige of the so-called invincible army after it was defeated".

The circular has alarmed ministers in the Lebanese cabinet who had been calling for the army to disarm Hizbullah.

It will also fuel the concerns of Israel, the US and the UN security council that the Lebanese army is incapable of securing the south of the country, adding increased urgency to the calls for a multinational force to be swiftly deployed.


According to sources close to the army command, there has been a tacit agreement between Hizbullah and the army that those fighters who hail from the south will return to their villages and all arms will be put out of sight. Publicly displayed weapons will be seized but any further attempt to disarm the group has been ruled out for the time being.

Retired general Nizar Abdel-Kader, a former deputy chief of staff for army personnel who is in close communication with the army command, told the Guardian: "The army knows there is a gun in every household, they are not going to go out and look for them ... What we are concerned about is the launchers. There is an agreement with Hizbullah that any weapons that are found will be handed over." A mutual respect and cooperation exists between the army and Hizbullah, according to Gen Kader. "They are two very separate entities but they cooperate on security issues," he said, adding that many of the army's troops were from southern Lebanon.

One defence analyst who asked not to be named said that, in the south, the army often acted as a subordinate to Hizbullah's military apparatus. "All intelligence gathered by the army is put at the disposal of Hizbullah but Hizbullah does not offer the same transparency to the army," he said. "In a sense, military intelligence in the south is operating on Hizbullah's behalf."

Another retired general, Amin Hoteit, now a professor at the Lebanese University, said: "The army sees Hizbullah as a group that is defending the country and so assists them as best it can."

Speaking last year, the Lebanese army chief of staff, General Michel Suleiman, said: "Support for the resistance is one of the fundamental national principles in Lebanon and one of the foundations on which the military doctrine is based. Protection of the resistance is the army's basic task."

The relationship had been strong for many years, Gen Kader said. "From 1996 onwards there has been a consensus in the army command that Hizbullah was a legitimate national defence force and that the government should extend its umbrella to protect the resistance." He said most army officials viewed the deployment primarily as a "counter-penetration force" working to prevent the infiltration of Israeli intelligence and military patrols.

Hizbullah's top official in south Lebanon, Sheikh Nabil Kaouk, told reporters in Tyre this week that the group welcomed the Lebanese army's additional deployment in the south. "Just like in the past, Hizbullah had no visible military presence and there will not be any visible presence now," he said. "We are helping them with our experience by advising them on the best strategic areas to deploy and the best means of protecting this land from Israeli and US violations."

The UN's expected deployment of 15,000 troops is seen as an additional force to assist in Lebanon's defence against Israel. "We are happy with such a large force to provide sufficient deterrent to Israeli aggression," said Gen Kader.
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Wahid
08-19-2006, 05:42 AM
So much for Defeating hezboAllah, now they have a force that will shield them from an isrealy attack too and help them gain more influence :D

Moral of the story, isreal lost badly in this round
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Islamicboy
08-19-2006, 05:54 AM
As Salam Alykum

I was surprised scholars were saying dont pray for hezbollah dont help them. But those scholars have been shown up. Allah S.W.T helped Hezbollah to victory over a nation the whole arab world couldnt take on. I use to follow those scholars but when you look into islam and the last signs and Quran we are taught to be united. And the signs of last day are we muslims will be divided so much and our enemies will be united. Screw sects i am muslim and anyone that says there is no god but allah and muhammed S.A.W is his messenger i will take them as muslim. Unlike those scholars who try to help the enemies of islam into success by telling us muslims to divide ourself sellouts!
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Zulkiflim
08-19-2006, 02:38 PM
Salaam,

I beleive the worst is yet to come,may Lebanese and those in the ministerial position who will betray the Hezbollah becasue they think they are doing good..

Betraying for epace..

Becasue theyf ear the US and the Isrealis might.

Just like the Isrealis who said they will bomb civillians to casue them to hate Hezbollah and not them,,for they will be feared...

Such rpactise was carried out in Palestine and see how it is now
But those trasitors will remain in Lebanese and one day they will betray.

Inshallah they will receive their due
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brainiac
08-19-2006, 03:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Vahid
So much for Defeating hezboAllah, now they have a force that will shield them from an isrealy attack too and help them gain more influence :D

Moral of the story, isreal lost badly in this round


Shield them !!!??? The Lebanese army is in no shape to shield THEMSELVES. When the next war happens, and it will, they will die right next to Hezbollah. And you don't win a war just because you didn't get annihilated. If I remember correctly, it is Israelis withdrawing from Lebanon under the cease-fire, not Hezbollah withdrawing from Israeli territory.
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Keltoi
08-19-2006, 03:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by brainiac
Shield them !!!??? The Lebanese army is in no shape to shield THEMSELVES. When the next war happens, and it will, they will die right next to Hezbollah. And you don't win a war just because you didn't get annihilated. If I remember correctly, it is Israelis withdrawing from Lebanon under the cease-fire, not Hezbollah withdrawing from Israeli territory.
That is the goal of a guerilla militia like Hezbollah, to lure the enemy into your backyard and bleed them as much as possible. As a conventional army, Israel is the most powerful force in the region, but a large conventional army doesn't mean "victory" in a guerilla style insurgency. They don't have to achieve "victory" to win, if you know what I'm saying.
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QuranStudy
08-19-2006, 03:44 PM
Also notice that the majority of the UN troops are from Malaysia, Indonesia, and Bangladesh. These are country that are more proned to back Hezbollah.
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Keltoi
08-19-2006, 03:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by QuranStudy
Also notice that the majority of the UN troops are from Malaysia, Indonesia, and Bangladesh. These are country that are more proned to back Hezbollah.
Doesn't matter what countries the soldiers come from. They under the command of a U.N. general.
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QuranStudy
08-19-2006, 03:47 PM
Doesn't matter what countries the soldiers come from. They under the command of a U.N. general.
Like they care. That is major reason why Israel is disappointed. These country dont even recognize the state.
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Keltoi
08-19-2006, 03:49 PM
Like I said, it doesn't matter where the peacekeeping soldiers come from, they are under a UN mandate and commanded by a U.N. general. They follow a chain of command, just like they did when they were part of their individual nation's military. Politics seldom enters a soldier's mind, only following orders and doing your duty.
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