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S_87
08-19-2006, 07:10 PM
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JEDDAH, 19 August 2006 — Sheikh Saud Al-Shuraim, imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah, yesterday urged Muslim faithful to protect their identity without being subservient to foreign forces.

He also called upon Muslims to extend full support to their fellow believers facing danger in other parts of the world.

“I would like to tell you all that the loss of identity and the lack of unity and responsibility were the major failures that hit us most than our enemies’ military victories,” the imam cautioned the hundreds of thousands of faithful who packed the large mosque complex while delivering the Juma sermon. “This situation has made us subservient to others, voluntarily or forcefully... subsequently it increased our pains, expanded our wounds, our honors violated and created fear and a sense of weakness in our minds,” the Saudi Press Agency quoted the imam as telling the faithful.

He said as long as Muslims remain weak, their resistance to defend their occupied territories, braving destructive weapons, would be labeled as terrorism.

“The allegation that Muslims are terrorists is a big lie,” he said, adding that the enemy wanted to cover its obnoxious crimes by pasting such labels.

He lambasted the brutal forces that commit big crimes, violate human rights and destroy freedoms in the pretext of justice and civilization.

He also pointed out that Arabs and Muslims were not receiving protection under international charters and laws.

The imam called upon Muslims to stand firm and united in the face of challenges. “Our enemies will be very happy to see us divided. We should strengthen our unity in hearts and words and this can be achieved only through a strong Islamic faith based on the Qur’an and Sunnah... We should remove all obstacles that stand in the way of unity,” he explained.

“Destructive conflicts and wars that endanger the lives of people who are part of the Ummah must awaken the conscience of Muslims and rekindle their sense of honor,” he said.

In Madinah, Sheikh Hussein Al-Sheikh, imam of the Prophet’s Mosque, condemned the statements linking Islam with terrorism and fascism. He was referring to a recent statement made by US President George W. Bush who referred to Muslim extremists as “Islamic fascists.”

He said the Islamic faith is based on the principles of “peace, justice, and respect for charters and agreements,” Sheikh Hussein said in his Juma sermon.

Last week, Sheikh Saleh ibn Muhammad Al-Taleb, another imam of the Grand Mosque, blasted the use of veto power against Muslim issues and interests at the UN Security Council.

The imam wondered why some Western governments were supporting the Israeli occupation of Arab land and the atrocities committed against Muslims, endangering their political and economic interests in the Muslim world.

He said it was in the interest of Western governments to establish stronger ties with Muslim countries that possess valuable natural resources including oil and have a combined population of nearly 1.5 billion.

“But these governments ignored Muslims and supported their enemy that has occupied their land after driving away their people,” the imam said.

He said many Western intellectuals have opposed religious wars between nations. However, religious sentiments were exploited to achieve certain goals. “This will create an explosive situation and no country will be able to get away from its terrible consequences,” he explained.

He urged people of Western countries to change their biased attitude toward Muslim issues by changing their leaders and governments through ballot boxes. Sheikh Saleh said some influential countries, maddened by their power and hegemony, were engaged in winning more enemies and spreading hatred among nations.

The imam said such policies would breed more violence.
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Zulkiflim
08-21-2006, 09:32 AM
Salaam,

the Imam again should speak to the Saudi Princes...

PErhaps if they stop the oil flow to the US and pull out their investment out of EVERY COMPANY that has interest in Isreal....then perhaps muslim will trully be united.

Inshallah,may the world muslim leaders follow the exaple of the Malaysian who ask that every muslim coutnry break alliance with Israel and stop using the US dollar..

Inshallah....but most of the leader are too enaumoured with greed and power to be of any use to the Ummah.

Inshallah such leaders will receive their due...The fires that burn in hell all burn stones...
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north_malaysian
08-21-2006, 09:36 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim

Inshallah,may the world muslim leaders follow the exaple of the Malaysian who ask that every muslim coutnry break alliance with Israel and stop using the US dollar..
...
Which Malaysian?
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S_87
08-21-2006, 09:37 AM
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definitely however we cant just rely on leaders...we ourselves must act upon what we demand of the leaders...
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syilla
08-21-2006, 09:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Which Malaysian?
maybe khayri :giggling:
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north_malaysian
08-21-2006, 09:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by syilla
maybe khayri :giggling:
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling:

I'm upset with UMNO because they did whatever they prohibited the oppositions being doing before. For your records, I've seen the Anti-Israeli Cricket Team demonstration in front of Masjid Al Rahman, Malayan University....
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syilla
08-21-2006, 09:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling:

I'm upset with UMNO because they did whatever they prohibited the oppositions being doing before. For your records, I've seen the Anti-Israeli Cricket Team demonstration in front of Masjid Al Rahman, Malayan University....
oo...old news...

well...the game was still on...and nothing stop them...btw did they ever win?

i think we're off topic..we should better get back to the topic b4 the upset smiley been post...
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north_malaysian
08-21-2006, 09:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by amani
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...we ourselves must act upon what we demand of the leaders...
Do we have this capability? The ONLY way we can do so (in Malaysia) is by election... WHICH COMFIRMED that the present goverment will still ruling.
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S_87
08-21-2006, 02:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Do we have this capability?.
:sl:

in some cases yes we do
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Geronimo
08-21-2006, 04:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim
Salaam,

the Imam again should speak to the Saudi Princes...

PErhaps if they stop the oil flow to the US and pull out their investment out of EVERY COMPANY that has interest in Isreal....then perhaps muslim will trully be united.

Inshallah,may the world muslim leaders follow the exaple of the Malaysian who ask that every muslim coutnry break alliance with Israel and stop using the US dollar..

Inshallah....but most of the leader are too enaumoured with greed and power to be of any use to the Ummah.

Inshallah such leaders will receive their due...The fires that burn in hell all burn stones...
The US recieves most of it's oil from Canada, Mexico, US, and Venezuela in that order. If SA cut us off it wouldn't hurt us as bad as you think it would.
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Keltoi
08-21-2006, 04:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo
The US recieves most of it's oil from Canada, Mexico, US, and Venezuela in that order. If SA cut us off it wouldn't hurt us as bad as you think it would.
Americans might have to buy more Japanese cars. Good thing I already have one.
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Zulkiflim
08-21-2006, 10:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Which Malaysian?

Salaam,

I think it was Najib right..

And the person who asked to stop using the US dollar was Mahathir
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north_malaysian
08-22-2006, 03:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim
Salaam,

I think it was Najib right..
I dont remember... he said so many things....

format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim
And the person who asked to stop using the US dollar was Mahathir
Yeah... this is true... he proposed the using of 'Golden Dinar' which is a great proposal!!
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Zulkiflim
08-22-2006, 04:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo
The US recieves most of it's oil from Canada, Mexico, US, and Venezuela in that order. If SA cut us off it wouldn't hurt us as bad as you think it would.

Salaam,

It will hurt you as bad as you think...
And the end of th petro dolalr will cause much pain to the US as a world power..read this..

[PIE]IRAN, BOURSE AND THE U.S. DOLLAR



By Ed Haas
January 28, 2006
NewsWithViews.com

On November 10th 2005, the Muckraker Report published an article that described one of the unspoken reasons why the United States had to invade Iraq; to liberate the U.S. dollar in Iraq so that Iraqi oil could once again be purchased with the petrodollar. See The liberation of the U.S. Dollar in Iraq

In November 2000, Iraq stopped accepting U.S. dollars for their oil. Counted as a purely political move, Saddam Hussein switched the currency required to purchase Iraqi oil to the euro. Selling oil through the U.N. Oil for Food Program, Iraq converted all of its U.S. dollars in its U.N. account to the euro. Shortly thereafter, Iraq converted $10 billion in their U.N. reserve fund to the euro. By the end of 2000, Iraq had abandoned the U.S. dollar completely.

Two months after the United States invaded Iraq, the Oil for Food Program was ended, the country’s accounts were switch back to dollars, and oil began to be sold once again for U.S. dollars. No longer could the world buy oil from Iraq with the euro. Universal global dollar supremacy was restored. It is interesting to note that the latest recession that the United States endured began and ended within the same timeframe as when Iraq was trading oil for euros. Whether this is a coincidence or related, the American people may never know.

In March 2006, Iran will take Iraq’s switch to the petroeuro to new heights by launching a third oil exchange. The Iranians have developed a petroeuro system for oil trade, which when enacted, will once again threaten U.S. dollar supremacy far greater than Iraq’s euro conversion. Called the Iran Oil Bourse, an exchange that only accepts the euro for oil sales would mean that the entire world could begin purchasing oil from any oil-producing nation with euros instead of dollars. The Iranian plan isn’t limited to purchasing one oil-producing country’s oil with euros. Their plan will create a global alternative to the U.S. dollar. Come March 2006, the Iran Oil Bourse will further the momentum of OPEC to create an alternate currency for oil purchases worldwide. China, Russia, and the European Union are evaluating the Iranian plan to exchange oil for euros, and giving the plan serious consideration.

If you are skeptical regarding the meaning of oil being purchased with euros versus dollars, and the devastating impact it will have on the economy of the United States, consider the historic move by the Federal Reserve to begin hiding information pertaining to the U.S. dollar money supply, starting in March 2006. Since 1913, the year the abomination known as the Federal Reserve came to power, the supply of U.S. dollars was measured and publicly revealed through an index referred to as M-3. M-3 has been the main stable of money supply measurement and transparent disclosure since the Fed was founded back in 1913. According to Robert McHugh, in his report (What’s the Fed up to with the money supply?), McHugh writes, “On November 10, 2005, shortly after appointing Bernanke to replace Greenbackspan, the Fed mysteriously announced with little comment and no palatable justification that they will hide M-3 effective March 2006.” (To learn more about Robert McHugh's work, please visit [Read]

Is it mere coincidence that the Fed will begin hiding M-3 the same month that Iran will launch its Iran Oil Bourse, or is there a direct threat to the stability of the U.S. dollar, the U.S. economy, and the U.S. standard of living? Are Americans being set up for a collapse in our economy that will make the Great Depression of the 1930’s look like a bounced check? If you cannot or will not make the value and stability of the U.S. currency of personal importance, if you are unwilling to demand from your elected officials, an immediate abolishment of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the fiat money scheme that the banking cartel has used for nearly a century now to keep our government and our people in a state of perpetual debt, than you are faced with but two alternatives, abject poverty, or invading Iran.

The plans to invade Iran are unspoken, but unfolding before our very eyes. The media has been reporting on Iran more often, and increasingly harshly. For the U.S. government to justify invading Iran, it must first begin to phase out the War in Iraq, which it is already doing. Next, it must portray the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as a threat to the region and the world. Finally, once naive American people are convinced the “weapons of mass destruction” that were to be found in Iraq are actually in Iran, coupled with the almost daily media coverage of Iran’s nuclear power / weapons program aspirations, and what we will soon have on our hands is another fabricated war that will result in tens of thousands of civilian lives being lost, all because the political elected pawns in Washington DC lack the discipline to return our currency to a gold or silver standard, end the relationship with the foreign banking cartel called the Federal Reserve, and limit the activities of the U.S. government to those articulated in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution for the United States of America.

When a wayward and corrupt fiscal policy and fiat currency, coupled with runaway government spending, forces a nation to only be able to sustain the value of its currency with bullets, the citizenry of the country involved in wars primarily to sustain its currency have historically first became slaves to their government, and then to the nations that finally conquer them. If you question the validity of such a premise, or whether it could happen to the United States of America, study the fall of the Roman Empire. If you read the right books on the subject, you’ll quickly discover that towards the end of the Roman reign, the Roman Empire was doing exactly what America is doing today; attempting to sustain a failed fiat money system with bullets.

Understanding fiat money is not an easy task, and the Federal Reserve, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund have purposely made it that way. They do not want the American people to realize that the money in their wallet loses its value with each new dollar that they print. They do not want people to understand that our money does not become money until it is borrowed. When the Federal Reserve has money printed, when it is in uncut sheets of paper, it is not yet money. After it is cut, bundled, and placed into the Federal Reserve vaults, it still is not money. It only becomes money once it is borrowed. Consequently, if all debt were to be paid, if the United States didn’t have an $8 trillion national debt and the American people were debt free, and if all loans of U.S. dollars made to foreigners were paid in full, there would be exactly zero U.S. dollars in circulation because it will have all been returned to the vaults of the Federal Reserve. This might seem hard to fathom, but it is the gospel of fiat money.

The major news media in the United States, fed by Washington DC which in turn is fed by the Federal Reserve, literally, has already begun conditioning the American people for invading Iran. Media accounts of Iran’s nuclear ambitions along with amplification of the potential instability and core evilness of Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is setting the stage to spring the invasion of Iran on the American people. There does appear to be a direct correlation between the winding down effort underway in Iraq and the increase of anti-Iran rhetoric. How American soldiers ultimately arrive in Tehran is uncertain at this time, but it is reasonable to expect that if the Iran Oil Bourse opens for business in March 2006 as planned, it will only be a matter of time before the United States will have to blow it up.

If the United States invades Iran, or if Israel starts military actions by launches missiles at Iran’s nuclear power facilities, which then opens the door for the United States to intervene, most Americans will believe that our military actions in Iran will be to defend freedom and liberty while spreading democracy, when the truth is that we’ll be fighting a war in Iran because of our nation’s relationship with the Federal Reserve, a so-called bank that is not owned by the federal government, maintains no reserve, and isn’t a bank at all, but a cartel.



Just like our war in Iraq, Americans and foreigners will die in battle so that the historical power bankers and brokers; cartel members such as Rothschild, Morgan, Lehman, Lizard, Schrader, Lobe, Kuhn, and Rockefeller to name a few, can continue collecting interest on every single U.S. coin and dollar bill in circulation, while controlling the U.S. Congress to the extent that the U.S. taxpayer becomes the collateral and lender of last resort to cover bad loans and unpaid debts that these institutions create by loaning money to third world countries, some of which are devout enemies of the United States. Remember the $400 billion savings & loan bailout approved by the U.S. Congress during the Reagan Administration? America is still paying for it – you and me, and so will our children and grandchildren.



It is well overdue for Americans, every American, to do whatever it takes to fully understand the relationship between the United States and the Federal Reserve, along with the grave consequences of our current fiat money system; for even if the United States wanted to continue to sustain the supremacy of the U.S. dollar with bullets, it is historically, impossible. When bullets become the commodity to secure a currency, it is a clear sign of devastating calamity looming. To ignore the warning signs, is to suffer like you have never suffered before, or to die. Harsh words, but true.[/PIE]

So agian for US interest and no other.

Inshallah,may Allah strengthen the Ummah ..
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Zulkiflim
08-22-2006, 04:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
I dont remember... he said so many things....



Yeah... this is true... he proposed the using of 'Golden Dinar' which is a great proposal!!

Salaam,

Najib siad many thing that was one of them..

And Mahathir did not say golden Dinar for this case,,he just said abandon the petro dollar..

And read my above story about Iran oil bourse..uisng Euro
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north_malaysian
08-22-2006, 05:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim

And Mahathir did not say golden Dinar for this case,,he just said abandon the petro dollar..
Actually he did mention to use Yen or Euro in order to replace US Dollar. Then he propose the "Golden Dinar" for Muslim world. They did a conference about this "Golden Dinar" in Int'l Islamic University Malaysian when I was still a student.
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