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Zulkiflim
08-22-2006, 01:17 AM
Salaam,

Check this out..

A step in the right direction.if others wont help you HELP YOURSELF
Discard the western anme calling of moderates and extremist and what not.

Be Yourself oh Ummah,Be muslim,and BE PROUD..

Well not too proud,,Allah does not like the arrogant...

[PIE]

UK foreign policy under spotlight
By Dominic Casciani
BBC News, Manchester


Revival: Sajid Iqbal focusing on youth

Thousands of young Muslims have been gathering in Manchester at an international conference discussing issues of faith and community.

So what did they think of the UK's foreign policy?

Handing out magazines by the dozen, Sajid Iqbal is a man on a mission - a mission from Oldham.

He edits The Revival, a jaunty social, political magazine distributed bi-monthly to 15,000 young Muslims. It wants to keep them on the straight path, rather than slide into disillusionment and dislocation.

And so Mr Iqbal and his colleague Mohammad Ayoub spoke to passers-by at Expoislamia in Manchester's MEN Arena.

"Muslim youth don't have any role models," says Sajid. "In Islam, our role model is the holy prophet Mohammad. But we need role models for everyday life - these should be the scholars, the imams.

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"But at the moment it might be anyone else. It might be a drug dealer, it might be Osama Bin Laden. Our job is to make sure that the role model is someone worth looking up to."

Expoislamia brought together more than 5,000 young Muslims to talk politics, society and life in general. The event also raised money for a major new mosque and social centre in Oldham.

Beyond the fund-raising, stand-up comics and the devotional "nasheed" music (pop for the religiously observant), the talk was very much of current events.

Home Secretary John Reid attacked Muslim leaders for warning recently that foreign policy was playing a role in fomenting extremism.

But it should be a message that ministers are used to. Revival's editors were among those who last year met the then Home Office minister Hazel Blears as ministers took the political temperature after the London bombings.

At that meeting, they asked to talk about foreign policy but were told it was not going to be on the agenda.
MEETING MINISTERS
The concerns that we have with regards to policies such as stop-and-search, the non-acknowledgement of international foreign policy and the new labelling of Muslims as moderate and extreme, she did not really answer those questions in a way that I consider to be an appropriate fashion
Zahid Maqbool, Oldham, 2005

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Mr Iqbal was frustrated - when he was at university, he was in awe of Islamist groups who taught that the West had it wrong and that radical action was the only solution.

He says that like many young men he entered adulthood "fed up" of elders in mosques offering him no vision of his place in society, no constructive engagement with the things that worry or affect Muslim kids. And now they see government making the same mistakes, he said.

Both he and Mohammad Ayoub warn the UK's stance on the Middle East, linked to poverty and generational conflict, remain fertile ground for extremism.

"Foreign policy is a real issue in alienation," says Mr Ayoub. "Some of that perception is justified, some isn't. Young people say that nobody represents them, not their MPs, not their councillors, no-one.

"So when they see things happening to Muslims, it goes like this: to happen once is an accident, to happen twice is a coincidence and to happen three times feels like a conspiracy."

War on Islam?

One of the star turns at Manchester was Dr Azzam Tamimi of the Muslim Association of Britain. Dr Tamimi is a Palestinian who says that suicide bombings can be justified against Israel.


In an emotive speech, he accused George W Bush and Tony Blair of turning "a war against terror into a war on Islam" - but that Muslims were standing up to be counted.

The crowd applauded enthusiastically when he said: "The Israelis have been humiliated by Hezbollah and Hamas. They are the defenders of truth. Hezbollah and Hamas are defending the Ummah [global brotherhood], making sacrifices for you."

This sense of global Muslim suffering, coupled with a call to unity, could be seen throughout the show - from political DVDs on Palestinian causes and books on Islamic political thought - through to the anti-Guantanamo T-shirts and charity appeals.

Volunteers for Muslim Aid were collecting buckets of cash for Lebanon - not just coppers but £10 and £20 notes.

"I wouldn't be here if I had not seen the pictures of the children being killed," said Londoner Ray Faruk who was manning one of the bins.

Zarina Javed (front): 'No finesse to government policy'

As we talked, a trio of teenage girls asked him how they could volunteer. A few minutes later a man arrived with a plastic bag and shed a kilogram of loose change into the collection bin. The freelance collector was offered an official bib to go out and get more.

"Five years ago I felt honoured and proud," said Mr Faruk. "Now, my father who has a long beard is afraid to leave the house. What's that all about? It's about how we are being portrayed in the world. It's not right, it's got to change."

Ruqayyah is a volunteer for Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK, a small but motivated political organisation.

"I got involved in politics because I took part in the anti-war march in 2003," she said. "I saw the prime minister take us to war even though nobody wanted it.

"Muslim youth are disaffected by foreign policy. Take the current situation. The call for a ceasefire in Lebanon came far too late in the day.

"They need to listen to Muslims and see that we are part of the system too - and that means that Muslims need to hold their MPs to account."

Zarina Javed of Huddersfield needed no encouragement to vote. Formerly a Labour supporter, she said she had switched to the Liberal Democrats and Greens since Iraq.

If anything should change, she said, it was that the UK had to start doing what was right for Britain, not what was right for the US.

"Most government policy seems to be based on a knee-jerk reaction," she said. "There's no finesse, it's clumsy. They try and put it right afterwards but then they don't know how to do it.

"It is not just Muslims who end up getting bombed or killed. Foreign policy just seems to be lacking a humanitarian dimension."[/PIE]

So muslim rise in yourself and outside of yourself,be a force within and wihout.

Recognize yourself that you are there and show to the people one all all that WE ARE HERE TO STAY..

We will stay and we will win.
Discard the moderate views and discard the extremist view.
Recognize that Islam call for you to defend and fight for peace.
islam does not call on you to just sit back and watch your brothers and siters to die...

Do not sit back and carp anc criticize.

ISLAM IS LIFE...start living it...
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therebbe
08-22-2006, 02:01 AM
We will stay and we will win.
What will you win?


Recognize that Islam call for you to defend and fight for peace.
Were the 'plane bombers' fighting for peace? Is the UK's attempt to prosecute these people for conspiracy to murder an act of 'opression'?
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Zulkiflim
08-26-2006, 01:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by therebbe
What will you win?




Were the 'plane bombers' fighting for peace? Is the UK's attempt to prosecute these people for conspiracy to murder an act of 'opression'?
Salaam,

Ws the article about anyhting out of context?

The article is about muslim who feep oppresed and fell into sway of the propaganda of the media.

they should not they should fight abck and assert their voices and their religion.

So to the Ummah stand up,and show that we are here to stay,they cant do anythign to make us chage our reliogn,and that causes them all the more fear.


The plane bombers,if the allegation are ture,are oppresed and felt the pain of their borthers and sister being murdered every where.They see the hyprocriy of the west and weakness of the Ummah in this.

And what will every muslim person win,their own stance,their own being,their own selves.
they will discard the misocncepotiona dn propaganda of the west and assert themselves fully.
Inshallah

Inshallah man may plan but Allah is the best of PLanners...
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Trumble
08-26-2006, 07:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim
The plane bombers,if the allegation are ture,are oppresed and felt the pain of their borthers and sister being murdered every where.They see the hyprocriy of the west and weakness of the Ummah in this.
In what way were they "oppressed"? That's a word that seems to be chucked about a lot recently, usually with very little to justify it. The only hypocrisy if they felt such "pain" is to attempt to add to it.

It doesn't matter what their motives (if guilty) were, or of those who committed 9/11 or the London bombings. You think that the non-muslim citizens of the UK and elsewhere will see that as any sort of excuse for attempted mass murder of innocents? It is not just about how muslims "are being portrayed in the world", Islam needs to look inside itself for the answers, too.
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Zulkiflim
08-28-2006, 04:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
In what way were they "oppressed"? That's a word that seems to be chucked about a lot recently, usually with very little to justify it. The only hypocrisy if they felt such "pain" is to attempt to add to it.

It doesn't matter what their motives (if guilty) were, or of those who committed 9/11 or the London bombings. You think that the non-muslim citizens of the UK and elsewhere will see that as any sort of excuse for attempted mass murder of innocents? It is not just about how muslims "are being portrayed in the world", Islam needs to look inside itself for the answers, too.

Salaam,

As always that is why non muslim do not understand the meaning of the word UMMAH and its deeper dimensions.

As i said they feel for the loss of brothers and sister who are killed due to that host coutnry ill intentions,not caring for muslim lives and belittling the culture and religon of muslim.

In what way has britian made clear it is on a moral high ground or has the US ?

No one doubts that the moral of the war in Lebanon or Palestine or Iraq ,,,is basicllaly moraless..

And thus thru this oppresion of fellow brothrs and sister,they think to makes other feel it.

Is it right or wrong?
Are not for SEP 11,the pain fo 4000 death on US soil,has caused more than 200 000 lives dead in Afghan and Iraq?

Is it not a form of revenge,a thrist for blood.
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Zulkiflim
08-28-2006, 04:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by HusamLah
id stand up for the cause if i believed in it but i dont. alot of our brothers and sisters feel sorry for themselves and want people around them to change instead of changing themselves. i dont mean that we need to change to act like the kafir but if we changed to reflect islam we wouldnt have issues that affect us today

Salaam,

No i think they feel the weakness of the Ummah who live their daily lives uncaring ..as it sem to them.

They think that the best way to to let otehr feel the pain they are causing other.
For me i say i would agree,,,for only when both parties feel the apin would they then understand that peace is better.

The US and British have not been attacked in a grand scale and so theya r able to just move on,they do nto know the devatation they did on Afghan or Iraq or indirectly in Lebanon..

Unfeeling,Uncaring,,un-everything..of th host coutnry has led to this..

As the British muslim association said,the British foreign policy is aiding terrorism.Blair stance for the murder of Lebanese willng ly and not asking for peace,show clearly how much a lebanese child life is worth to him.
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