Can I PLEASE Get my Tax Dollars Back?

[Dahir]

Just a simple Request to my Government:

Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get my tax dollars back?

I Payed for the following Bills:

• War on Afghanistan
• War on Iraq
• IDF invasion of Southern Lebanon
• Patriot Act (Wire-Tapping)
• Support of the "Mogadishu Militia"

Um, Leaders of my country, I'd like to get my tax dollars back; I gave it to you with success as a promise; but the War on Afghanistan has beared no fruits, the War on Iraq is a mess to say the least, the IDF were massacred by Hezbollah and they lost a couple of tanks I paid for too! The Patriot Act has beared no fruits in America, and British intelligence are abusing it! And over in Somalia - the Islamic Courts Union PWN3D the "Mogadishu Militia" my tax dollars paid to see victorious.

We the people (of the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada) would like to request a return of our tax dollars, now, please.

-Thank You for Listening

[Keltoi]

The war in Afghanistan bore much fruit, mainly that the country isn't a safe training ground for Al-Qaeda, not to mention the end of Taliban rule.
The Patriot Act has been around for quite some time, and there have been no documented cases of abuse using the powers given by this legislation. It is a scary boogie man for some, but the reality is that it isn't quite as dramatic as all that.
I'm not sure about the "IDF invasion of southern Lebanon" thing either. Israel probably didn't have time to use any of the weapons shipped to them by the U.S. or others, not to mention that their military capability is fine by itself. Yes, U.S. tax dollars have aided Israel in general, but I think the connection to a specific event is a stretch.
Iraq I can agree on. I supported the decision at first, but after all this time I can't see the reason to stay there any longer. If they want to blow themselves up and carve the country up between Kurds, Sunni, and Shiite, that is their problem.

[Eric H]

Greetings in peace Keltoi

The war in Afghanistan bore much fruit, mainly that the country isn't a safe training ground for Al-Qaeda, not to mention the end of Taliban rule.

So Al-Queda are now looking for safe countries to operate in they have moved to England. Recently we had this scare that Al-Qaeda was operating in places around London, planning to blow up civilian planes.

How come the British government didn’t send in their planes to target these suspected terrorist homes with their highly accurate guided missiles. Ok they would probably have killed a few hundred innocent people as well but it would be worth it to kill these suspected terrorists. They could send in tanks and the army to hunt down suspects.

We would not do this in our own country because it is so wrong, why should it somehow became right if we do this in someone else’s country?

In the spirit of seeking peace for all people

Eric

[Eric H]

Greetings in peace Dahir,

Just a simple Request to my Government:

Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get my tax dollars back?

I Payed for the following Bills:

• War on Afghanistan
• War on Iraq
• IDF invasion of Southern Lebanon
• Patriot Act (Wire-Tapping)
• Support of the "Mogadishu Militia"

Um, Leaders of my country, I'd to get my tax dollars back; I gave it to you with success as a promise; but the War on Afghanistan has beared no fruits, the War on Iraq is a mess to say the least, the IDF were massacred by Hezbollah and they lost a couple of tanks I paid for too! The Patriot Act has beared no fruits in America, and British intelligence are abusing it! And over in Somalia - the Islamic Courts Union PWN3D the "Mogadishu Militia" my tax dollars paid to see victorious.

We the people (of the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada) would like to request a return of our tax dollars, now, please.

-Thank You for Listening

I fully agree with you, we must keep putting pressure on our governments to seek peaceful solutions to these problems.

Eric

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[Dahir]

Greetings in peace Dahir,

I fully agree with you, we must keep putting pressure on our governments to seek peaceful solutions to these problems.

Eric

I hope they follow this simple quote:

"Don't knock down a door if you can simply turn the knob."

But I guess our leaders haven't heard that quote. :-\

[ManchesterFolk]

The USA gives a lot of money for the greater good of the world. If it wasnt for the USA many 3rd world countries would be places of even more death. Recongnize the good with the bad... dont look at it 1 sided.

[Dahir]

You should ask for all your tax money back from helping all the people in Africa and aid to Lebanon as well... right?

Have you seen the billions the US is giving for good causes. You lack the ability to see everything in a broader picture.

Actually, I asked solely for operations that didn't go right. I want my money back for those failed operations, and they are many.

At this point, with the US and UK the leading nations in total debt worldwide, I say our money should stay at home. Pay our debts first, take care of our own - then go help others.

Here's another helpful quote:

"If the money is needed at home, you mustn't donate it to the mosque."

[ManchesterFolk]

I changed the post, to sound a little more fair.

Think of all the third world countries saved by US and UK money.... why are only the bad situations mentioned here?

[Dahir]

I changed the post, to sound a little more fair.

Think of all the third world countries saved by US and UK money.... why are only the bad situations mentioned here?

Because they overshadow any good the US and UK have done lately.

And to think of it, there haven't been any third world countries the US saved.

Didn't the US recently fund the infamous, thuggish Mogadishu Militia and then regret it afterwards?

Didn't the US let Darfur slip for years...?

I don't know, MancFolk, it seems the US isn't interested in good will.

[ManchesterFolk]

Because they overshadow any good the US and UK have done lately.

And to think of it, there haven't been any third world countries the US saved.

Didn't the US recently fund the infamous, thuggish Mogadishu Militia and then regret it afterwards?

Didn't the US let Darfur slip for years...?

I don't know, MancFolk, it seems the US isn't interested in good will.

I think you should really look at what some of the western countries have given to these dirt poor countries trying to help the people. the News makes it look small but it isnt. the UK and US give so much to these poor countries and know one cares. It is only when they do bad that people make posts.

[Dahir]

I think you should really look at what some of the western countries have given to these dirt poor countries trying to help the people. the News makes it look small but it isnt. the UK and US give so much to these poor countries and know one cares. It is only when they do bad that people make posts.

So giving a piece of meat to a Salvadoran family then carpet bombing several Iraqi villages makes it even, am I wrong? :rollseyes

[ManchesterFolk]

So giving a piece of meat to a Salvadoran family then carpet bombing several Iraqi villages makes it even, am I wrong? :rollseyes

Or maybe look at it like this...

Giving fresh water to a village on the brink of dehydration and death, and then liberating iraqis from a dictator who gased thousands upon thousands and made mass graves. :happy: :okay:

[Dahir]

Or maybe look at it like this...

Giving fresh water to a village on the brink of dehydration and death, and then liberating iraqis from a dictator who gased thousands upon thousands and made mass graves. :happy: :okay:

Hmmm...it could go that way - but the US, at this point - has killed a rumored 90,000 Iraqis - Saddam Hussein killed 180,000 Iraqis, mostly Kurds - so with technical numbers - the US is half as bad as Saddam, and it took Saddam over 20 years to do that much damage - the US has been in Iraq for 3 years - and Iraq is now on the brink of CIVIL WAR.

The situation now becomes:

Giving a starving village some food, then leveling out the goodwill by ousting a dictator - only to finish his work for him.

[Eric H]

Greetings in peace Dahir,

I think that Manchester Folk has highlighted one very important point that we may have both overlooked. I fully agree that we should pay income tax that funds hospitals, roads, the police force, foreign aid etc. But it is the percentage of income tax that I pay that goes towards our war efforts that I disagree with.

I remember reading a news story of a man refusing to pay a percentage of his income tax that he felt funded the war efforts of the UK. The case went to court and he was imprisoned for a short time.

I must confess that he has a greater courage than I have to stand up for what he believes in.

In the spirit of praying for peace

Eric

[Dahir]

Greetings in peace Dahir,

I think that Manchester Folk has highlighted one very important point that we may have both overlooked. I fully agree that we should pay income tax that funds hospitals, roads, the police force, foreign aid etc. But it is the percentage of income tax that I pay that goes towards our war efforts that I disagree with.

I remember reading a news story of a man refusing to pay a percentage of his income tax that he felt funded the war efforts of the UK. The case went to court and he was imprisoned for a short time.

I must confess that he has a greater courage than I have to stand up for what he believes in.

In the spirit of praying for peace

Eric

Exactly. I'm against intervention to a certain extent. A full-on invasion is not intervention, its hot warfare.

Peace I believe in, definately, but peace begins at home. :)

[Woodrow]

I hope they follow this simple quote:

"Don't knock down a door if you can simply turn knob."

But I guess our leaders haven't heard that quote. :-\

I agreed with you again. I think this is the second time. I have to be more carefull.

You are quite right. Us humans are great at doing that. Our leaders are only a reflection of what we are as individuals. In the long run they function as an average of all the qualities of each individual. Lets admit it Most of us go through life with the attitude of why whisper when we can shout. We have also seemed to have learned that,a show of force makes for more agreements than logic does.

[Geronimo]

Greetings in peace Keltoi



So Al-Queda are now looking for safe countries to operate in they have moved to England. Recently we had this scare that Al-Qaeda was operating in places around London, planning to blow up civilian planes.

How come the British government didn’t send in their planes to target these suspected terrorist homes with their highly accurate guided missiles. Ok they would probably have killed a few hundred innocent people as well but it would be worth it to kill these suspected terrorists. They could send in tanks and the army to hunt down suspects.

We would not do this in our own country because it is so wrong, why should it somehow became right if we do this in someone else’s country?

In the spirit of seeking peace for all people

Eric

The British don't bomb these neighborhoods because the government are engaged in hunting down and rooting out these terrorists. Before we went into Afghanistan who was gonna take out Al Queda? Remember we gave the Taliban government 1 week to hand over Bin Laden and they chose to protect him. We had every right to go in there.

Just a simple Request to my Government:

Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get my tax dollars back?

I Payed for the following Bills:

• War on Afghanistan
• War on Iraq
• IDF invasion of Southern Lebanon
• Patriot Act (Wire-Tapping)
• Support of the "Mogadishu Militia"

Um, Leaders of my country, I'd like to get my tax dollars back; I gave it to you with success as a promise; but the War on Afghanistan has beared no fruits, the War on Iraq is a mess to say the least, the IDF were massacred by Hezbollah and they lost a couple of tanks I paid for too! The Patriot Act has beared no fruits in America, and British intelligence are abusing it! And over in Somalia - the Islamic Courts Union PWN3D the "Mogadishu Militia" my tax dollars paid to see victorious.

We the people (of the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada) would like to request a return of our tax dollars, now, please.

-Thank You for Listening

Sure you can have your money back but you can't use any of our services. No police, fire department, hospital, school, social security, so on and so forth.

Actually, I asked solely for operations that didn't go right. I want my money back for those failed operations, and they are many.

At this point, with the US and UK the leading nations in total debt worldwide, I say our money should stay at home. Pay our debts first, take care of our own - then go help others.

Here's another helpful quote:

"If the money is needed at home, you mustn't donate it to the mosque."

Actually if you adjust for GDP we aren't in as bad a spot as most countries are.

Because they overshadow any good the US and UK have done lately.

And to think of it, there haven't been any third world countries the US saved.

Didn't the US recently fund the infamous, thuggish Mogadishu Militia and then regret it afterwards?

Didn't the US let Darfur slip for years...?

I don't know, MancFolk, it seems the US isn't interested in good will.

So we didn't save Bosnian Muslims from Milosovich?

Greetings in peace Dahir,

I think that Manchester Folk has highlighted one very important point that we may have both overlooked. I fully agree that we should pay income tax that funds hospitals, roads, the police force, foreign aid etc. But it is the percentage of income tax that I pay that goes towards our war efforts that I disagree with.

I remember reading a news story of a man refusing to pay a percentage of his income tax that he felt funded the war efforts of the UK. The case went to court and he was imprisoned for a short time.

I must confess that he has a greater courage than I have to stand up for what he believes in.

In the spirit of praying for peace

Eric

Is it just this war effort you don't want funded or is it all war?

Hmmm...it could go that way - but the US, at this point - has killed a rumored 90,000 Iraqis - Saddam Hussein killed 180,000 Iraqis, mostly Kurds - so with technical numbers - the US is half as bad as Saddam, and it took Saddam over 20 years to do that much damage - the US has been in Iraq for 3 years - and Iraq is now on the brink of CIVIL WAR.

The situation now becomes:

Giving a starving village some food, then leveling out the goodwill by ousting a dictator - only to finish his work for him.

Where did you get these numbers from?

Exactly. I'm against intervention to a certain extent. A full-on invasion is not intervention, its hot warfare.

Peace I believe in, definately, but peace begins at home. :)

Well what should we have done with Iraq?

[Dahir]

Well what should we have done with Iraq?

Nothing. I understand replacing one evil (Saddam) with a lesser evil (puppet Dictator), but I also understand that it should be done with CAUTION.

And what was our reason for entering Iraq?

WMD's or 9/11? Neither turned out to be true. Why don't we just leave. The more we're around, the worse the country gets and the higher civil conflict escalates.

[Dahir]

Where did you get these numbers from?

The 1988 Khurdish conflict and some estimates from President Bush himself.

So we didn't save Bosnian Muslims from Milosovich?

Not at all. The US funded a guerilla force in Albania to defeat the Nationalist Socialist Serbian army. The Serbians got angry and started a few massacres - nothing new to us.

But on the way, the US killed more Serbs than Serbs killed Albanians. Just because the Albanians were Muslim doesn't mean they were right.

Actually if you adjust for GDP we aren't in as bad a spot as most countries are.

A few countries compete for that spot - but those countries don't invade others to cure that problem.

Sure you can have your money back but you can't use any of our services. No police, fire department, hospital, school, social security, so on and so forth.

Yes. President Bush can keep his soon-to-be-PRIVATIZED Social Security, his underfunded and crappy schools, his STATE police, and his lacking hospitals. I'd train myself and do those jobs for a quarter of the price he's charging me - if that were an option!

[afriend]

That was really well put bro...I mean....What's in it for us?

[Dahir]

That was really well put bro...I mean....What's in it for us?

Nothing. Not even success.

[Dahir]

why do you think you can pick and choose what your taxes support? should this option be available to all citizens?

Not that it's EVER possible, but:

We should pay basic taxes; for schools, hospitals, and other basic public programs, even transportation. But we should be given optional choices such as paying for "interventions" and "efforts/struggles."

If the war isn't for the total and truly unquestionable defense of our nation, we should not question it, but if its for a lesser cause, no way should we pay!

But that's just a fantasy. :uhwhat :-\

[Woodrow]

Idealisticaly if we lived in a perfect country there would be not problem with paying taxes for military support as that would only be used for defense. We do have a duty to pay that which is used to defend us.

The problem comes in the modern world as to when does defense slip over to offensive. The same war materail we need for adequate self defence can and often will be used for reasons we do not want.

Hard question, how do we pay for our needs without financing what we oppose?

[afriend]

I would have thought that there would be some sort of gain through these acts of war, but not once have I heard anything good come out of them...

[AHMED_GUREY]

I blame hitler he should have become a postman or something instead of the leader of germany

because of his defeat America became the most powerfull nation on earth

50% of the post war goods came out of the factories of the United States

it bassicly had a monopoly over the other nations that just came out of a bloody war fought on their turfs and they bought their products from america and america helped them with the M plan

very smart indeed

then the americans strengthen their economic powerhouse even further with WTO and Worldbank

now they have a GDP as big as all of the European countries put together and they can play captain america all across the globe and still take care of russia and china on the side if they try something

dahir i support you :happy: get your dollars back quik

[Woodrow]

I blame hitler he should have become a postman or something instead of the leader of germany

because of his defeat America became the most powerfull nation on earth

50% of the post war goods came out of the factories of the United States

it bassicly had a monopoly over the other nations that just came out of a bloody war fought on their turfs and they bought their products from america and america helped them with the M plan

very smart indeed

then the americans strengthen their economic powerhouse even further with WTO and Worldbank

now they have a GDP as big as all of the European countries put together and they can play captain america all across the globe and still take care of russia and china on the side if they try something

dahir i support you :happy: get your dollars back quik

Economicaly Japan seems to be making the greatest gains in Industry. Nearly every electrical componant you buy will have been from a Japanese compny. Same with automobiles, they are taking the lead. Japan actually has several Automobile factories here in the US. Not long Back Japan was negotiating to extablish military bases in the US. The first try was to build a Japanese naval base in Mississippi. (that deal was declined, but one day?????)

Money wise Qatar has the highest income per capita in the world.

It is true the US does have the largest economy in the world, but it is very diverse and many American Businesses are located outside the US.

Each year the US produces less of it's own products and depends more on imported goods. It is hard to find any item in a store that is 100% American made. so far the only products that the US does not depend on other nations for is food. One of our few true exports.

Today when we buy an american product the label will say something like "Produced in Taiwan, Assembled in Mexico"

[KAding]

Can I PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get my tax dollars back?

No, representative democracy doesn't work that way.

[Dahir]

No, representative democracy doesn't work that way.

That's why I'm for DIRECT Democracy, old fashioned Town Hall Democracy!

But this isn't a tribe, this is a 300-million-person Republic. :-\

I smell a Revolt - time to take lessons from the French - they've had more Revolts than entire continents! :D

Money wise Qatar has the highest income per capita in the world.

Remember that chart you had Woodrow - and how it was ADJUSTED and overly INFLATED. Remember I and several other posters corrected you. Luxembourg leads - but Luxembourg is a fantastyland of sorts...Norway and U.S. are tied for highest GDP per capita. Qatar led in PPP per capita - which is innefective and adjusted and not even widely used.

[AvarAllahNoor]

So we didn't save Bosnian Muslims from Milosovich?

Wonder what happened to these so-called muslim countires when the massacres were happening!! :rollseyes

[Dahir]

Wonder what happened to these so-called muslim countires when the massacres were happening!! :rollseyes

Must I say it again? Invading Serbia was not exactly "saving Islam."

Serbia was an up and coming Nationalist Socialist Republic - remember the last Nationalist Socialist Republic in Europe? The NAZIS!!

The US funded Albanian guerilla groups to fight the Serbian National Socialits, but the Serbs had a hunger to succeed, so they won. Then, like all wars, atrocities began. After the Serbs had gotten a strong enough foothold, the US struck!

I'd much rather the US "save" Rwandans at that time period.

[AvarAllahNoor]

Must I say it again? Invading Serbia was not exactly "saving Islam."

Serbia was an up and coming Nationalist Socialist Republic - remember the last Nationalist Socialist Republic in Europe? The NAZIS!!

The US funded Albanian guerilla groups to fight the Serbian National Socialits, but the Serbs had a hunger to succeed, so they won. Then, like all wars, atrocities began. After the Serbs had gotten a strong enough foothold, the US struck!

I'd much rather the US "save" Rwandans at that time period.

No, but it was coming to the aid of fellow muslims, no? Or was it the fact that US, had funded the albanians, and that was enough for muslims to think, they were siding with the 'infidels' they decide not to intervene!!

It's a case of '****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't'!

[Far7an]

Why do you guys use bold font? We'll still notice you're post without it, don't worry.

[AvarAllahNoor]

Why do you guys use bold font? We'll still notice you're post without it, don't worry.

My reason is, it looks much nicer. I use the bold function on all the forums i use, it's not so my post stands out more! :happy:

[Dahir]

My reason is, it looks much nicer. I use the bold function on all the forums i use, it's not so my post stands out more! :happy:

Exactly. Its even better when used with quoting. :shade:

[Durrah]

:sl:

Dahir: If you think your taxes are bad in the U.S, then come to the U.K.

17.5 % vat on everything [MAD][/MAD]

I dont even wanna begin talking about the other taxes we pay.

I need to move to one of those tax haven countries. I heard Brazil is good at this time of year.

[Dahir]

:sl:

Dahir: If you think your taxes are bad in the U.S, then come to the U.K.

17.5 % vat on everything [MAD][/MAD]

I dont even wanna begin talking about the other taxes we pay.

I need to move to one of those tax haven countries. I heard Brazil is good at this time of year.

I think taxation is better in Europe, where many people make the decision - like a lot of sensable people. The US is the worst - even if our tax rate was 7% total, reagan-era, we still would pay the majority for war and other useless nonsense.