Most Britons now believe the Muslim faith is a threat to Western democracy?

[kormath]

:sl:
The Daily Mail writes:

[S]"Most Britons now believe the Muslim faith is a threat to Western democracy, a new survey has revealed."
"The level of paranoia against Muslims was highlighted last week when two British Asian students were thrown off a holiday flight returning to Britain from Spain because fellow passengers feared they were terrorists - because they were wearing leather jackets, were heard speaking Arabic and seen looking at their watches."[/S]I wonder! What happened to these educated and broadminded people such as Britons! What a misunderstanding is spreading among our western friends about Islam and Muslims! It is a plain truth is that Islam has not any hidden agenda, but it has a clear and open agenda before mankind. It aims the good feature of mankind. It's manifesto is very clear and understandable. It is The Holy Quraa'n. I t is a open Book. It was revealed for the mankind by the God to save them from the darkness in to the light. It claims:
[S]" A Book which We have revealed unto thee, in order that thou mightest lead mankind out of the depths of darkness into light - by the leave of their Lord - to the Way of (Him) the Exalted in power, worthy of all praise!-" [14:1]

" We have not sent down the Qur'an to thee to be (an occasion) for thy distress,
But only as an admonition to those who fear ((Allah)),- "[20: 2,3]
". He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers."[33:43]
" He is the One Who sends to His Servant Manifest Signs, that He may lead you from the depths of Darkness into the Light and verily Allah is to you most kind and Merciful".[57:9]
"[/S]

[Woodrow]

"Most Britons now believe the Muslim faith is a threat to Western democracy, a new survey has revealed."

That does not necessarily have to be a bad thing. Yes islam is a very valid threat to lawlesness, intoxication, drug dealing , pornography and many other issues.

Can't the Quote also be read as:

"Most Britons now believe Morality is a threat to Western democracy, a new survey has revealed."

Am I the only one who see's it as a failure that the same can not be said about Christianity and Judaism? If they were practiced as was Intended wouldn't these statements also be true:

"Most Britons now believe the Jewish faith is a threat to Western democracy, a new survey has revealed."

"Most Britons now believe the Christian faith is a threat to Western democracy, a new survey has revealed."

would we be showing true Imam if many did not see us as a threat to their life styles?

Yes we are are threat, but our image should be one of peace and love, not of fear. We can be a threat to what we see as the worlds evils, but we can do it out of love, understanding and compassion.

[Keltoi]

It was a bad survey question anyway. Perhaps "Is terrorism a threat to Western democracy?" might have been a better question.

[Woodrow]

It was a bad survey question anyway. Perhaps "Is terrorism a threat to Western democracy?" might have been a better question.

I agree. That makes sense.

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[Malaikah]

That does not necessarily have to be a bad thing. Yes islam is a very valid threat to lawlesness, intoxication, drug dealing , pornography and many other issues.

:sl:

mashaallah well said! yes islam is a threat, but at the moment the west and the middle east it self is a threat to muslims- not the other way around.

[Joe98]

Yes we are are threat, but our image should be one of peace and love, not of fear.

Currently its a message of fear. Thats why we come to this forum. We don't go to the Baptist's forum.

[Ghazi]

:sl:

Islam is Salvation for the west but they don't won't to give up their kufur lifestlye shame that some will only see the truth when it's too late.

[Woodrow]

Currently its a message of fear. Thats why we come to this forum. We don't go to the Baptist's forum.

Glad you did come here no matter why. It is always beneficial to share views by knowing each other we open the doors for understanding.

[ACC]

:sl:

Islam is Salvation for the west but they don't won't to give up their kufur lifestlye shame that some will only see the truth when it's too late.

Unfortunately for you, MANY people do not view Islam as salvation. Many people view Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Atheism, etc as salvation.

[Woodrow]

Unfortunately for you, MANY people do not view Islam as salvation. Many people view Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Atheism, etc as salvation.

Unfortunatly come judgement day, there will be MANY people who will discover that they had never submmitted to the will of Allah(swt)

[ACC]

Unfortunatly come judgement day, there will be MANY people who will discover that they had never submmitted to the will of Allah(swt)

Or that they did not believe in Jesus as the son of God.....insert other religious beliefs with the end of times here. I guess we will find out someday.

[- Qatada -]

Or the fact that they never believed that their own Creator should be worshipped alone. Common sense is that a person is responsible for their actions, not just because they believe in a system.


I won't get anywhere within the UK by saying 'i accept the government and it's rulings' - because i know that if i go against it, i'm going to have to pay for my crime. The same can be said about one's crimes in this life.


Anyway - referring to the thread, i do feel that it is our fault as muslims by not conveying the message to the people about islamic monotheism. This is one of the reasons they feel that we are a threat, because they don't know who we are or what our beliefs are.



Allaah Almighty knows best.


:salamext:

[Woodrow]

Anyway - referring to the thread, i do feel that it is our fault as muslims by not conveying the message to the people about islamic monotheism. This is one of the reasons they feel that we are a threat, because they don't know who we are or what our beliefs are.



Allaah Almighty knows best.


:salamext:

Very good point. There has to be reasons why so many people see the word Muslim as meaning Terrorism. This is a fairly new issue for most of the people living today. It seems there was a period of tolerance for a number of years and now in recent years the 2 words have become synonimous to many. We can blame some of that on outside sources, but much of it is the result of our own actions and/inactions we all need to take a more active role in living as a Muslim is expected to live.

[AvarAllahNoor]

Unfortunatly come judgement day, there will be MANY people who will discover that they had never submmitted to the will of Allah(swt)

I have, so i have nothing to fear! :giggling:

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you kader, it is tragic that we are living in this climate of fear.

I think western democracy is more responsible for terrorism, but we should not fear terrorism as much as we should fear other things.

There is more chance of getting killed in a road accident than from a terrorist attack, but do we fear cars?
There is more chance of dying from lung cancer, but do we fear the tobacco companies?

And so the list could go on and on.

I believe we should look to build friendships with our Muslim brothers, I saw a wonderful story of such an event posted by Woodrow.

Do any of you live near Southampton in the UK?

In the spirit of seeking interfaith friendships

Eric

[ManchesterFolk]

"Most Britons now believe Morality is a threat to Western democracy, a new survey has revealed."

Oh yes, the Arab world and Islamic countries are perfect examples for "moral" countries. :rollseyes

Yep, that must be it. :uhwhat

[Muezzin]

:sl:
The Daily Mail writes:

Ah, the Mail, a most respectable publication indeed. It's right up there with the Sun, the Mirror and the Beano.

[S]"Most Britons now believe the Muslim faith is a threat to Western democracy, a new survey has revealed."
"The level of paranoia against Muslims was highlighted last week when two British Asian students were thrown off a holiday flight returning to Britain from Spain because fellow passengers feared they were terrorists - because they were wearing leather jackets, were heard speaking Arabic and seen looking at their watches."[/S]

I'm interested in how many participants there were in this survey. I'm also interested to learn if other publications have reported this, or if it was merely a publicity stunt of sorts to sell this most revered daily paper.

[Woodrow]

Oh yes, the Arab world and Islamic countries are perfect examples for "moral" countries. :rollseyes

Yep, that must be it. :uhwhat

What Islamic countries do you believe are immoral?

[AvarAllahNoor]

I think western democracy is more responsible for terrorism, but we should not fear terrorism as much as we should fear other things.

There is more chance of getting killed in a road accident than from a terrorist attack, but do we fear cars?
There is more chance of dying from lung cancer, but do we fear the tobacco companies?

And so the list could go on and on.

I

I Agree!! - When our number is up, be it a heart attack or a natural death or perhaps get blown to smithereens, we have no say in the matter, what ever the Lord does, he will continue to do so, regardless of what us mortals say or do!

Gur Fateh!

[ManchesterFolk]

What Islamic countries do you believe are immoral?

Iran jails and kills activists for freedom of speach and promotes war in the region via Hezbollah.

Syria jails people like Mr. Yacoub Hanna Shamoun, an Assyrian Christian from Syria who has been detained without due process for over twenty years in Syria's horrendous AlSaydnaia prison. And denies freedom of speach on all levels that oposses there goverments agenda.

Saudi Arabia is a traditional Islamic monarchy following the orthodox ******* Sunni religion. In the kingdom all political opposition is forbidden. There are strict limitations on the freedom of speech and the press, and the legal code is based on the Sharia. This legal code provides for severe punishments including amputation, whipping and execution. There is no freedom of religion for Christians, and the Shia minority is strictly supervised. Women are clearly the object of discrimination.

Tunisia Human rights organizations accuse the Tunisian government of contravening the rights of journalists, political activists and human rights supporters. About a thousand political prisoners are in jail, while many more are harrassed by the authorities. Demonstrations are put down with ferocity.

Libya, a dictatorship, has no local human rights NGOs. The law forbids political parties or criticism of the regime. The press is state-controlled. Opposition figures are jailed without trial and often tortured. In September 2000 there were racially-motivated attacks on Africans from southern Sahara leaving many dead and injured.

I could name many more countries but i'll stop before I write way to long of the post when I should be doing some work.

Regards

[Woodrow]

Iran jails and kills activists for freedom of speach and promotes war in the region via Hezbollah.

Syria jails people like Mr. Yacoub Hanna Shamoun, an Assyrian Christian from Syria who has been detained without due process for over twenty years in Syria's horrendous AlSaydnaia prison. And denies freedom of speach on all levels that oposses there goverments agenda.

Saudi Arabia is a traditional Islamic monarchy following the orthodox ******* Sunni religion. In the kingdom all political opposition is forbidden. There are strict limitations on the freedom of speech and the press, and the legal code is based on the Sharia. This legal code provides for severe punishments including amputation, whipping and execution. There is no freedom of religion for Christians, and the Shia minority is strictly supervised. Women are clearly the object of discrimination.

Tunisia Human rights organizations accuse the Tunisian government of contravening the rights of journalists, political activists and human rights supporters. About a thousand political prisoners are in jail, while many more are harrassed by the authorities. Demonstrations are put down with ferocity.

Libya, a dictatorship, has no local human rights NGOs. The law forbids political parties or criticism of the regime. The press is state-controlled. Opposition figures are jailed without trial and often tortured. In September 2000 there were racially-motivated attacks on Africans from southern Sahara leaving many dead and injured.

I could name many more countries but i'll stop before I write way to long of the post when I should be doing some work.

Regards

Only problem is none of the ones except for Iran are actually Islamic Countries as they are not governed under sharia Law. Iran is or should be under Sharia law however at the moment there does not seem to be any Government fully in charge. Saudi does claim to be. But, there are many instances, when it appears the Monarchy is in charge.

The Reason I asked the Question in the manner I did is in todays world it does not appear that there are any countries that are governed in the manner established by the Qur'an and Sunnah. No truly Islamic country seems to exist today.

In spite of all the problems and political chaos, I believe you will agree that predominatly Muslim countries have very little crime, Alcohol or drug problems, provide for orphans and the disabled, maintain regular prayer, have no pornogaphy problems, no racism on the basis of color, respect for their elders, and even a few other good qualities.

[ACC]

Only problem is none of the ones except for Iran are actually Islamic Countries as they are not governed under sharia Law. Iran is or should be under Sharia law however at the moment there does not seem to be any Government fully in charge. Saudi does claim to be. But, there are many instances, when it appears the Monarchy is in charge.

The Reason I asked the Question in the manner I did is in todays world it does not appear that there are any countries that are governed in the manner established by the Qur'an and Sunnah. No truly Islamic country seems to exist today.

In spite of all the problems and political chaos, I believe you will agree that predominatly Muslim countries have very little crime, Alcohol or drug problems, provide for orphans and the disabled, maintain regular prayer, have no pornogaphy problems, no racism on the basis of color, respect for their elders, and even a few other good qualities.

Well, my only real issue with this is that many of the people in those countries, especially those running them, would disagree and say that they are strictly islamic run nations. They just have a different intepretation than you (obviously). That being said, according to your definition, there has never been a country run 100% by Christian principals either.

[QuranStudy]

That being said, according to your definition, there has never been a country run 100% by Christian principals either.

Name me one.

[Woodrow]

Well, my only real issue with this is that many of the people in those countries, especially those running them, would disagree and say that they are strictly islamic run nations. They just have a different intepretation than you (obviously). That being said, according to your definition, there has never been a country run 100% by Christian principals either.

I would agree with that. There has been many attempts and intentions to do so, but it never happened.

To be honest I believe if all countries were run 100% Muslim, Christian or Jewish, in the true meaning of what it is supposed to be, we would have few problems and we could settle on what are the truly important issues over what God(swt) wants us to do. Our differences should not lead to violence over the differences as to how we believe we should love God(swt) We could then settle down peacefull with logic learn from each other and from that make true individual choices as to which is the true way to worship.

Now it is sort of like two kids beating each other up to prove who is obeying their parents correctly.

[ManchesterFolk]

Only problem is none of the ones except for Iran are actually Islamic Countries as they are not governed under sharia Law. Iran is or should be under Sharia law however at the moment there does not seem to be any Government fully in charge. Saudi does claim to be. But, there are many instances, when it appears the Monarchy is in charge.

The Reason I asked the Question in the manner I did is in todays world it does not appear that there are any countries that are governed in the manner established by the Qur'an and Sunnah. No truly Islamic country seems to exist today.

In spite of all the problems and political chaos, I believe you will agree that predominatly Muslim countries have very little crime, Alcohol or drug problems, provide for orphans and the disabled, maintain regular prayer, have no pornogaphy problems, no racism on the basis of color, respect for their elders, and even a few other good qualities.

The Shiites and Sunni's seem to hate eachother very much. The Kurds seem to never get many good deals in the Islamic countries... Woodrow, would you swap the freedoms you have to live in a Muslim country that has no alcohol or drug problems?

[ManchesterFolk]

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[QuranStudy]

Woodrow, would you swap the freedoms you have to live in a Muslim country that has no alcohol or drug problems?

Idk about brother Woodrow, but of course I wouldnt. Alcohol is the bane of society.

[ManchesterFolk]

Idk about brother Woodrow, but of course I would. Alcohol is the bane of society.

Thats your descion and you can do whatever you will... For me. I won't trade that, and that is myt descion. I live in the west. If a Muslim feels the way you do, he is welcome to go back to Pakistan, Somalia, or Iran. Would those countries not take them?

[QuranStudy]

If a Muslim feels the way you do, he is welcome to go back to Pakistan, Somalia, or Iran. Would those countries not take them?

With open arms.

[ACC]

Name me one.

?? I am confused. I said there was never one and you want me to name one? Did you misunderstand?

[QuranStudy]

?? I am confused. I said there was never one and you want me to name one? Did you misunderstand?

Yes I suppose so. I'm sorry.

[ACC]

Yes I suppose so. I'm sorry.

No problem. It happens. Just wanted to make sure I wasnt confusing everyone.

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,
In western coutnries muslim should assert themselves ..
They should discard the western propaganda of Islam and what muslim to be ..

The more muslim in the west succumb to the lies in the media the more they bcome withdrawn from society and that will actually work in the favour of those who want Islam to be maligned.

So be assertive,show them your rights.Ask for your right individually and as a community.

A the British Ummah.

I applaud the movement by the British socity of Muslim to ask tell ot the British goveremnt fface that they are aiding and abetting terrorism by supporting the massacare in Lebanon and Isreal.
For it alien foreign policy.

They want to blame us but do not wish to see the wrong they do.

so discard these misconceptiona nd be more assertive Inshallah...

[Ghazi]

:sl:

The Kufur lifestyle is a threat to the entire world look at how much problems it has caused, islam is the remady.

[Woodrow]

Woodrow, would you swap the freedoms you have to live in a Muslim country that has no alcohol or drug problems?

That I can not answer with a simple yes or no. My Daughter and her family have been talking about doing just that in the next couple of years. If things work out I will also be going. Lots of personal factors have to be taken care of first.

I have lived in several of those countries as a non-Muslim, and as a US citizen, I did not experience any problems or hardships that I would consider that I had lost any freedoms. So I'm having a problem in understanding what you would mean as a loss of freedoms that I have here.

[kormath]

What Islamic countries do you believe are immoral?

:sl: At first we have to understand that the Islamic country and the Muslim country are not same. For, Islamic country is a country which is governed according to the Islamic laws, but the Muslim country is a country which is governed by Muslims, may be according to Islamic Law or not.

[ACC]

:sl:

The Kufur lifestyle is a threat to the entire world look at how much problems it has caused, islam is the remady.

Well, I dont consider my lifestyle a threat to the world, and I drink alcohol. I would consider the inability to spread what I believe, even to Muslims, to be a threat. If someone believes that Christianity has a superior message to Islam, why should they be stopped from spreading Christianity in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc.?

[Ghazi]

Well, I dont consider my lifestyle a threat to the world, and I drink alcohol. I would consider the inability to spread what I believe, even to Muslims, to be a threat. If someone believes that Christianity has a superior message to Islam, why should they be stopped from spreading Christianity in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc.?

:sl:

Simple Yes or No Answer from a Medical and Social aspect would the world benifit if people stoped drinking alcohal? And to answer you question the authorities there wouldn't allow such thing same if I went to the Vatican.

[ACC]

:sl:

Simple Yes or No Answer from a Medical and Social aspect would the world benifit if people stoped drinking alcohal? And to answer you question the authorities there wouldn't allow such thing same if I went to the Vatican.

Depends. Most things in moderation, including alcohol, are not bad. In fact, alcohol has many benefits to health if used properly. And before someone says it is abused more than anything else, so is cheese, tea, coffee, tv, work, cigarretes, religion, etc.

As for the Vatican, I have never been there. If there is a cafe, I would be astonished if there were no alcohol allowed. You may not know a lot of Catholic worship, but wine is used in the Mass, so alcohol is not banned in the Vatican either.

[Ghazi]

Depends. Most things in moderation, including alcohol, are not bad. In fact, alcohol has many benefits to health if used properly. And before someone says it is abused more than anything else, so is cheese, tea, coffee, tv, work, cigarretes, religion, etc.

As for the Vatican, I have never been there. If there is a cafe, I would be astonished if there were no alcohol allowed. You may not know a lot of Catholic worship, but wine is used in the Mass, so alcohol is not banned in the Vatican either.

:sl:

But that's the problem a huge majority don't consume alcohol in moderation and with binge drinking on the up and people living for the weekend alcohol will continue to cause mayhem.

[ACC]

:sl:

But that's the problem a huge majority don't consume alcohol in moderation and with binge drinking on the up and people living for the weekend alcohol will continue to cause mayhem.

People eating food high in fat are also causing massive problems with health systems. Coffee consumption is hurting the health of many people. Cigarretes, well, we know what they do. Why have you chosen only alcohol for banning? Why not control everything people do? 1984.

Dangerous drivers kill tens of thousands and cripple many more all over the world anually. etc, etc, etc.

I am not doubting the problems with alcohol, I just question why alcohol is targeted (I know why it is targeted here). You will find a lot of people that believe that reading the koran is harmful becasue they believe it is not the truth.

[ACC]

I believe I have led this down the path of an alcohol debate. I dont think that was the overall intention of the thread. My fault.

[wilberhum]

From reading, I have come to the conclusion, that the fact that Britons drink and eat too much, is what caused them to “believe the Muslim faith is a threat to Western democracy”. I can see no other logical answer.

So let’s solve the problem.

All Britons are ordered to stop drinking and smoking. Then stop eating too much and all problems will be solved.

[Ghazi]

From reading, I have come to the conclusion, that the fact that Britons drink and eat too much, is what caused them to “believe the Muslim faith is a threat to Western democracy”. I can see no other logical answer.

So let’s solve the problem.

All Britons are ordered to stop drinking and smoking. Then stop eating too much and all problems will be solved.

:sl:

No need for saracasm reason why people see islam as a threat I'll never know.

[therebbe]

:sl:

No need for saracasm reason why people see islam as a threat I'll never know.

Part of it might be terrorist attacks. ^o)

[wilberhum]

:sl:

No need for saracasm reason why people see islam as a threat I'll never know.

I think there is a great need for sarcasm when the ridicules ais used.

I believe it has little to do with Islam, and a lot to do with what some Muslims are doing. I think most non-Muslims do not distinguish between what “Islam Says” and what some “Muslims Do” in the name of Islam.

[Ghazi]

I think there is a great need for sarcasm when the ridicules ais used.

I believe it has little to do with Islam, and a lot to do with what some Muslims are doing. I think most non-Muslims do not distinguish between what “Islam Says” and what some “Muslims Do” in the name of Islam.

:sl:

Exactly, People who just condem muslims without knowing anything about them are plain stupid at least get to know your so-called enemy before you condem them.

[wilberhum]

:sl:

Exactly, People who just condem muslims without knowing anything about them are plain stupid at least get to know your so-called enemy before you condem them.

But will you "Condemn Them", if they are Muslims?

The answer I have always found is no.

Condemn terrorism, yes. Condemn a terrorist, no. (Unless he is not a Muslim)

[Ghazi]

But will you "Condemn Them", if they are Muslims?

The answer I have always found is no.

Condemn terrorism, yes. Condemn a terrorist, no. (Unless he is not a Muslim)

:sl:

I have look back a few posts.

[wilberhum]

:sl:

I have look back a few posts.

I can't find it. Maybe I blind or maybe it was deleted.
Could you repost it?