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Hawa
08-30-2006, 08:00 PM
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I hope its not a repeat topic, I searched and nothing came up.
Im not too sure where Islam stands on this topic, I know the Prophet pbuh said;
"A nation that has entrusted its affairs to a woman can never be successful."(Bukhari vl.5, pg.136, Bukhari vl. 4 Page 97, Nisai vl. 8 Page 227, Tirmidhi vl. 5 Page 457)

However I havent come across any specific ayahs of the Quran or any hadith saying Women can not lead a nation. I've tried researching on this topic and I keep coming across people arguing on both sides..both make great arguments, my question is..is it possible for a muslim woman to lead a nation?
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Ansar Al-'Adl
09-15-2006, 01:35 AM
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There are some activities and positions which are restricted to one gender and there are others that have no such restrictions. Obviously there are inherent differences between the genders making some more suited to certain roles than others while both have an equal status.

As for leading a nation, then the Khalifa is a Muslim man as he is not a figurehead but actually is the one who also delivers friday sermons and leads the prayers as an Imam. Other types of leadership are for both men and women. As Shaykh Sa`ûd al-Funaysân, a former professor at al-Imâm University in Riyadh Saudi Arabia, writes:
There is no evidence that a woman cannot be appointed as an administrator in some kind of work where some men are working. People who argue by Allah’s words: “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 34] and “But men have a degree over them” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 228] must know that this applies only between the husband and wife. The man protects and maintains the woman who lives with him under his protection.
He also explains concerning the aformentioned hadîth:
Moreover, what was mentioned in the hadîth that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “A people who give political authority to a woman will never succeed” is only talking about supreme political office. Therefore, what is forbidden for a woman is to be a president or a sovereign queen. This is what was decreed by the scholars, because of the context of the hadîth. The Prophet (peace be upon him) made this statement when he was informed that the king of Persia had died and the Persians had appointed his daughter as the new ruler.
Therefore, if this woman is the most qualified among a group males and females, then it is permissible to appoint her as their boss, provided that she observes proper hijâb and instructs the other women to do so. She has to lower her gaze from men and refrain from being alone with any of them whether in the workplace or outside of it.
Hopefully this answers the question.
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Hawa
09-28-2006, 08:37 PM
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Jazakallah kheyr, yes it answer's my question very well.
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nishom
10-02-2006, 01:00 PM
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Malaikah
10-02-2006, 01:13 PM
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format_quote Originally Posted by nishom
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^are you sure you got your info right... i didnt read it all but from most of what i have read seems to be at odds with this:

:-\

Question:
Is it legal islamicly to acknowledge females as our leader?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Positions of leadership and high public office means taking on the mission of establishing Islam by reviving religious knowledge and establishing its foundations, engaging in jihaad for the sake of Allaah – which includes preparing armies and distributing war booty – establishing the judicial system, carrying out judicial punishments (hudood), fighting oppression, enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil, acting as a deputy of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

There is no dispute among the scholars that one of the conditions of the imaam or leader is that he should be male. Ibn Hazam reported in his book Maraatib al-Ijmaa’ that there was scholarly consensus on this point. In the section he says: “Out of all groups of the people of the Qiblah [i.e., all Muslim sects], there is not one that allows the leadership of women.” Al-Qurtubi reported something similar, and al-‘Allaamah al-Shanqeeti said, “There is no difference of opinion among the scholars on this point.”

The evidence for this is the general meaning of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other…” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]. It is also clearly indicated by the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah who said that when the Prophet SAW?S (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) heard that the Persians had appointed the daughter of Chosroes as their queen, he said, “No people who appoint a woman as their leader will ever prosper.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 13/53).

This is because positions of leadership and government require a person to join men’s gatherings, which is not allowed for women according to sharee’ah because of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance…” [al-Ahzaab 33:33]. These positions also require perfect wisdom, reason and alertness, and the testimony of a man has been made equal to that of two women, the reason for which Allaah has explained in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “… so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her…” [al-Baqarah 2:282].

Imaam al-Muwaffaq Ibn Qudaamah said:

“For this reason the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his successors (khulafa’) and those who came after them never appointed a woman to be a judge or a governor of a province, as far as we know. If it were permissible, it should have happened.”

Imaam al-Ghazaali said:

“The position of leader (imaam) could never be given to a woman even if she possessed all the qualities of perfection and self-reliance. How could a woman take the position of leader when she did not have the right to be a judge or a witness under most of the historical governments?”

Imaam al-Baghawi said:

“The scholars agreed that women are not fit to be leaders or judges, because the leader needs to go out to organize jihaad and take care of the Muslims’ affairs, and the judge needs to go out to judge between people, but women are ‘awrah and it is not right for them to go out. Because of their weakness, women are not able to do many things. Women are imperfect, and the positions of leaders and judge are among the most perfect of positions for which only the most perfect of men are qualified.”

Undoubtedly this is proven by reality. People know from experience that only men are fit for leadership, because women by nature are more emotional and more easily swayed by their feelings and compassion. These qualities have been created in women to enable them to carry out their most important duty, which is that of motherhood and nurturing children. Men, on the other hand, are not usually swayed by their emotions as women are. Their way is usually one of logic and deliberation, which form the essence of responsibility and leadership.

With regard to the question of whether a woman may be appointed as a judge, the majority of Maaliki, Shaafa’i and Hanbali scholars say that a woman cannot be appointed as a judge, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah quoted above.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

“Ibn al-Teen said: Those who say that a woman cannot be appointed as a judge use the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah as evidence, and this is the view of the majority.”

With regard to other administrative positions, there is no shar’i reason why women should not be appointed to run institutions where they will work with other women and not men, because in this case there are no shar’i reservations about their work.

There is no validity in what most modern writers say about how women have to go out and take part in parliaments and public councils, and that these are part of the rights granted to women by Islam. These writers have not examined the issue from the correct Islamic viewpoint. The truth is clear, but unfortunately they look at it with minds filled with the heretic trends of East and West. Therefore you see them weakened and defeated, dazzled by the false civilizations of those nations, then they come and misinterpret the texts and change the words from their right places until they agree with their whims. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.



See: Fath al-Baari by Ibn Hajar, 13/55; Maraatib al-Ijmaa’ by Ibn Hazam, 125; Adwa’ al-Bayaan by al-Shanqeeti, 1/55; Sharh al-Sunnah by al-Baghawi, 10/77; Tafseer al-Qutubi, 1/271; al-Fasl fi’l-Milal wa’l-Nihal by Ibn Hazm, 4/110.
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...n%20leadership
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Skillganon
10-03-2006, 12:24 AM
He got the articele (of the OP) from those Islam site's that I find highly questionable.
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i_m_tipu
10-03-2006, 03:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by cheese
The truth is clear, but unfortunately they look at it with minds filled with the heretic trends of East and West. Therefore you see them weakened and defeated, dazzled by the false civilizations of those nations, then they come and misinterpret the texts and change the words from their right places until they agree with their whims.
We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.
Amen
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Zone Maker
10-03-2006, 11:43 AM
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I dislike those who call them selves Moderate Muslims.
You are either a practicing Muslim or you are not and that’s it:rant: .
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rania2820
10-03-2006, 10:07 PM
actually i have read that muslims women are not allowed to rule.

because of A muslims should be modest and not put themselves on display(if a woman is a leader she will always be on display)

and B women tend(not always) be more emotional then men.and how would a mother be able to be a mother and a presdient.i would think that would be very difficult

and C and if you look at the nations that do have female leaders their countries are in bad shape(indonesia phillipines).

i know for many western muslim women (like myself) it might be hard to believe that islam would be agianst women leaders but the fact is that allah know his creation(humans) best and he only wants what's best for whole of mankind.
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Ansar Al-'Adl
10-04-2006, 08:41 PM
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Threads merged. Please use the search facility before posting. Also, please see my earlier post in this thread for an answer on this topic.

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Ninth_Scribe
10-09-2006, 05:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hawa
However I havent come across any specific ayahs of the Quran or any hadith saying Women can not lead a nation.
There was an old story about Rulings and Judgments... the pillars of Mercy and Severity. I'll see if I can locate it, but it basically says no Kingdom should be ruled by one or the other... but Both.

Women temper Men so Severity is not without Mercy and Men temper Women so Mercy is not without Severity. You don't want a Justice that is too Harsh or too Loose.

Of course, Islam may differ, but I don't think so. Muhammed (PBUH) did not prevent Aisha from indulging in the affairs of state.

Ninth Scribe
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