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QuranStudy
09-04-2006, 01:22 AM
On a History Channel program, Banned From the Bible, various books of the Bible were exluded from the final cut. Books written by the same authors as the ones that made print. If the Bible is the word of God, what right does man have to censor those books?

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=73144

* Biblical scholars speculate on the reasons behind their exclusion.
* Examine major works of Christian theology that did not make it into the Scriptures.
* See how these works have been discovered--and where they have been used.

For many of the faithful, the idea smacks of heresy. But the Bible we know is just one of many versions that surely circulated in the early days of Christianity, and there are several fully-fledged books left out of the "final draft."

BANNED FROM THE BIBLE travels back to the blistering sands of the Holy Land, into the onion-domed chapels of Eastern Orthodox churches and the pages of the Koran on the trail of the chapters that were left out of the ultimate version of the Scriptures. Learn of "The Life of Adam and Eve," a detailed account of the creation story written before Jesus was born that is included in the Koran. The incestuous account of "The Book of Jubilees" was included in the Orthodox Old Testament and the Dead Sea Scrolls. "The Book of Enoch" was an ancient bestseller, telling the story of the man said in Genesis to have walked with God and been assumed directly into heaven.

These eight ancient works offer a fresh perspective on the figures at the foundation of faith.
"I really enjoyed the accounts of the story of Jesus as a child, the infancy. Stories that have been ommitted by humans. I've read some opinions in the following site that profess the Bible is the only word of God and these ommitted books are only provided as blasphemous renditions of what is the truth and were censored becasue they were lies. Lies to whom. Certainly not the apostles who wrote them. There are several books of 'Revelations' but John's was the only one to be included. Peter's was thrown out, still he should feel ok he got some other books in there..."

http://christdot.org/modules.php?nam...ticle&sid=2440

When Jesus was a boy, did he kill another child? Was Mary Magdalene a prostitute -- or an apostle? Did Cain commit incest? Will there be an apocalypse or is this God's trick to scare us? The answers to these questions aren't found in the Bible as we know it, but they exist in scriptures banned when powerful leaders deemed them unacceptable for reasons both political and religious.
A Christian view/clarification on this will be much appreciated :)
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-04-2006, 02:13 AM
For Christians who are trying to prove that the Bible is the word of God..this definitely is not helping them. When u have "people" making decisions on what to keep and what to ban...it would be more difficult to stay with that notion...
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dougmusr
09-04-2006, 02:57 AM
Originally Posted by QuranStudy
On a History Channel program, Banned From the Bible, various books of the Bible were exluded from the final cut. Books written by the same authors as the ones that made print. If the Bible is the word of God, what right does man have to censor those books?

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=73144



"I really enjoyed the accounts of the story of Jesus as a child, the infancy. Stories that have been ommitted by humans. I've read some opinions in the following site that profess the Bible is the only word of God and these ommitted books are only provided as blasphemous renditions of what is the truth and were censored becasue they were lies. Lies to whom. Certainly not the apostles who wrote them. There are several books of 'Revelations' but John's was the only one to be included. Peter's was thrown out, still he should feel ok he got some other books in there..."

http://christdot.org/modules.php?nam...ticle&sid=2440



A Christian view/clarification on this will be much appreciated :)
It does not seem to be an uncommon occurance that writings which contain claims not consistant with the teachings of ones scriptures should be distrusted and/or discared as inauthentic. Islam does this with most of the Jewish and Christian scriptures, keeping only what it finds in harmony with the Quran.

The Bible is not 'legit' according to Islam. Muslims believe in the original revelations sent to these Prophets. Some fragments of these revelations may still be present in the Bible today, but the only way to seperate between the material of divine origin and that of human fabrications is to use the Qur'an as the criterion.
This is a common Christian confusion. It is true that as Muslims we do not believe that the Bible has been preserved but that it has been tampered with, but this does not mean that there may still be verses in it that contain the truth. The criterion then, for deciding what is true from the Bible and what isn't, is the Qur'an, God's final message to mankind.
Also, refer to post #3 under topic "Discover Islam", "Sunnah vs Hadith vs Quran" to see how the Hadiths were tested for authenticity, such that study of the Hadith is now considered a science.

Thus it doesn't seem to be a surprise that early Christians would test the various gospel writings for authenticity based upon the character attributes of the Christ they portray for the same reasons the recitations of the Quran and texts of the Hadiths are tested against the teachings of Islam.
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QuranStudy
09-04-2006, 05:21 AM
It does not seem to be an uncommon occurance that writings which contain claims not consistant with the teachings of ones scriptures should be distrusted and/or discared as inauthentic. Islam does this with most of the Jewish and Christian scriptures, keeping only what it finds in harmony with the Quran.
Thus it doesn't seem to be a surprise that early Christians would test the various gospel writings for authenticity based upon the character attributes of the Christ they portray for the same reasons the recitations of the Quran and texts of the Hadiths are tested against the teachings of Islam.
LOL, I wonder what is really the truth on Christianity. Not only does the Bible have grave errors, it's authenticity is quite questionable. I'll post more links supporting my assertion. btw, compilation of the Quran is more credible than that of the Bible. Dont put your own words in history. For more info, read this

Cheap shot. If the Bible is really the Word of God, why does it exclude very controversial (and factual) parts of it?? How can you cut off supposed words of God?

Also, refer to post #3 under topic "Discover Islam", "Sunnah vs Hadith vs Quran" to see how the Hadiths were tested for authenticity, such that study of the Hadith is now considered a science.
Did you ever read the hadith? Mutiple people testify the same incident! The authenticity of the Hadeeth is more credible than the Bible. Have fun with your flat earth theory and your belief in unicorns.

You still havent explained me about the "rejected bible?" Why were they rejected? Who gave them the right to reject it? Why omit credible stories that
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Eric H
09-04-2006, 06:54 AM
Greetings in peace QuranStudy;
If the Bible is really the Word of God, why does it exclude very controversial (and factual) parts of it??
You can't possibly mean that the Bible is not controversial enough for you?:)

How can you cut off supposed words of God?
Is God so limited that everything he says could fit in one book? I feel that God's role was to edit the Bible in a way that should inspire people to believe.

Take care,

Eric
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dougmusr
09-04-2006, 02:32 PM
Did you ever read the hadith? Mutiple people testify the same incident! The authenticity of the Hadeeth is more credible than the Bible.
Satan urinates in peoples ears.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492:

Narrated 'Abdullah:

It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, "He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated."
The science of sunrise.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 494:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "When the (upper) edge of the sun appears (in the morning), don't perform a prayer till the sun appears in full, and when the lower edge of the sun sets, don't perform a prayer till it sets completely. And you should not seek to pray at sunrise or sunset for the sun rises between two sides of the head of the devil (or Satan)."
Jews were cursed and turned into rats.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 524:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "A group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did. But I do not see them except that they were cursed and changed into rats, for if you put the milk of a she-camel in front of a rat, it will not drink it, but if the milk of a sheep is put in front of it, it will drink it." I told this to Ka'b who asked me, "Did you hear it from the Prophet ?" I said, "Yes." Ka'b asked me the same question several times.; I said to Ka'b. "Do I read the Torah? (i.e. I tell you this from the Prophet.)"
The Quran indicates there is no distinction made between the prophets.

002.136
YUSUFALI: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
SHAKIR: Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
God however feels the Muhammed is superior even to Christ.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 3:

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection the Believers will assemble and say, 'Let us ask somebody to intercede for us with our Lord.' So they will go to Adam and say, 'You are the father of all the people, and Allah created you with His Own Hands, and ordered the angels to prostrate to you, and taught you the names of all things; so please intercede for us with your Lord, so that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' Adam will say, 'I am not fit for this (i.e. intercession for you).' Then Adam will remember his sin and feel ashamed thereof. He will say, 'Go to Noah, for he was the first Apostle, Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth.' They will go to him and Noah will say,

'I am not fit for this undertaking.' He will remember his appeal to his Lord to do what he had no knowledge of, then he will feel ashamed thereof and will say, 'Go to the Khalil--r-Rahman (i.e. Abraham).' They will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking. Go to Moses, the slave to whom Allah spoke (directly) and gave him the Torah .' So they will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' and he will mention (his) killing a person who was not a killer, and so he will feel ashamed thereof before his Lord, and he will say, 'Go to Jesus, Allah's Slave, His Apostle and Allah's Word and a Spirit coming from Him. Jesus will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, go to Muhammad the Slave of Allah whose past and future sins were forgiven by Allah.' So they will come to me and I will proceed till I will ask my Lord's Permission and I will be given permission. When I see my Lord, I will fall down in Prostration and He will let me remain in that state as long as He wishes and then I will be addressed.' (Muhammad!) Raise your head. Ask, and your request will be granted; say, and your saying will be listened to; intercede, and your intercession will be accepted.' I will raise my head and praise Allah with a saying (i.e. invocation) He will teach me, and then I will intercede. He will fix a limit for me (to intercede for) whom I will admit into Paradise. Then I will come back again to Allah, and when I see my Lord, the same thing will happen to me. And then I will intercede and Allah will fix a limit for me to intercede whom I will let into Paradise, then I will come back for the third time; and then I will come back for the fourth time, and will say, 'None remains in Hell but those whom the Quran has imprisoned (in Hell) and who have been destined to an eternal stay in Hell.' " (The compiler) Abu 'Abdullah said: 'But those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned in Hell,' refers to the Statement of Allah:

"They will dwell therein forever." (16.29)
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-04-2006, 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Eric H
Is God so limited that everything he says could fit in one book? I feel that God's role was to edit the Bible in a way that should inspire people to believe.
Eric
Why do people want to delete stuff from the Bible? they aren't God.
The main point is why some Christians are deciding to take something out. It's not God doing it. I can understand if God wanted to revise the Bible. But what right to humans have to do it? None of course.
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dougmusr
09-04-2006, 04:50 PM
Why do people want to delete stuff from the Bible? they aren't God.
The main point is why some Christians are deciding to take something out. It's not God doing it. I can understand if God wanted to revise the Bible. But what right to humans have to do it? None of course.
If a recitation of the Quran popped up that made the following claims:

When Jesus was a boy, did he kill another child? Was Mary Magdalene a prostitute -- or an apostle? Did Cain commit incest? Will there be an apocalypse or is this God's trick to scare us? The answers to these questions aren't found in the Bible as we know it, but they exist in scriptures banned when powerful leaders deemed them unacceptable for reasons both political and religious.
would it be accepted? If it were not, who would make the determination not to accept it?
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-04-2006, 05:02 PM
I dont even think u get my point...
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dougmusr
09-04-2006, 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Tayyaba
I dont even think u get my point...
Perhaps not. Yor are saying that man has no right to decide what goes into a book that perports to be God's word. I am saying that Muslims have subjected the text of the Sunnah and recitations of the Quran to criticism in order to make sure they have authentic copies. As such, the Quran consists of what is believed to be the actual revelation of Gabriel to Muhammed, and the Sunnah consists of writings that can be traced back to the original followers of Muhammed.

QuranStudy is saying that any book that claims to be a gospel written by one of the apostles should be included in the Bible without regard to the contents of the book. Thus Muslims are permitted to apply textual criticism to the Islamic writings to guarantee their authenticity but Christians are not permitted the same right.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-04-2006, 06:12 PM
You can discuss the teachings and come to a decision about what it means, but a human has no right to "edit" anything in it. If you change any part of it, it will automatically make everything wrong. It will end up contradictory.
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dougmusr
09-04-2006, 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Tayyaba
You can discuss the teachings and come to a decision about what it means, but a human has no right to "edit" anything in it. If you change any part of it, it will automatically make everything wrong. It will end up contradictory.
The following exchange seems to be an edit of the Bible. It denys the authenticity of the verse, and therefore discards it.

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Originally Posted by dougmusr View Original
Perhaps that's why Christ said:

Mat 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; 36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'
37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 "He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

I dont think Jesus said that!!! Sorry ... my heart is CLOSED for your evangelistic movement here!!!
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جوري
09-04-2006, 06:49 PM
Jesus did say "I didn't come to bring peace but a sword"... it is true... but he meant it as, his message was going to turn people against each other... I have studied the bible extensively...that phrase was meant as any prophet who brings a message from God, will cause lots of upheaveal...so people end up either making them to be liars or killing them, or fighting amongst one another.... even in the Quran it states ........

لَقَدْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ وَأَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ رُسُلاً كُلَّمَا جَاءهُمْ رَسُولٌ بِمَا لاَ تَهْوَى أَنْفُسُهُمْ فَرِيقًا كَذَّبُواْ وَفَرِيقًا يَقْتُلُونَ {70}
[Shakir 5:70] Certainly We made a covenant with the children of Israel and We sent to them messengers; whenever there came to them an messenger with what that their souls did not desire, some (of them) did they call liars and some they slew.
[Yusufali 5:70] We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them messengers, every time, there came to them a messenger with what they themselves desired not - some (of these) they called impostors, and some they (go so far as to) slay.
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QuranStudy
09-04-2006, 08:27 PM
So no Christian has any knowledge to defend their religion. I asked questions which were not answered. Instead, you are insulting me. If you cannot answer, then why are you following blindly? I still await someone to answer my questions:

You still havent explained me about the "rejected bible?" Why were they rejected? Who gave them the right to reject it? Why omit credible stories that
I have come to the impression that instead of maturely defending the credibility of their own religion, Christians are trying (futilely) to disprove others.
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QuranStudy
09-04-2006, 08:28 PM
More on the Banned from the Bible issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_from_the_Bible
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Joe98
09-05-2006, 06:02 AM
Originally Posted by QuranStudy
I asked questions which were not answered.

Every question has been answered. You cannot see the forest because the trees are in your way.
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glo
09-05-2006, 06:20 AM
Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
Jesus did say "I didn't come to bring peace but a sword"... it is true... but he meant it as, his message was going to turn people against each other... I have studied the bible extensively...that phrase was meant as any prophet who brings a message from God, will cause lots of upheaveal...so people end up either making them to be liars or killing them, or fighting amongst one another....
I agree with you, Ambrosia

And how right he was ... look how many different views and understandings people have of Jesus Christ, how much he is debated and discussed!
It always amazes me, how much even the secular world talks about Jesus. He is very special indeed! :statisfie

Peace. :)
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Trumble
09-05-2006, 06:33 AM
Originally Posted by Tayyaba
Why do people want to delete stuff from the Bible? they aren't God.
The main point is why some Christians are deciding to take something out. It's not God doing it. I can understand if God wanted to revise the Bible. But what right to humans have to do it? None of course.

You have your tenses completely wrong.

Nobody "wants" to delete anything from the Bible. What happened is that a conference held 250 years before Mohammed was born it was decided what should be in the Bible in the first place. We have no idea why those those at Nicea came to the decisions they did, but it is unreasonable to assume that everything called a "gospel" or "Book", wherever it might have come from, should have been regarded as having equal authenticity, or knowledge of the actual events. Some simply did not, no matter how much many pseudo-gnostics - or muslims trying to score points - might like them to... and it was those that strayed too far from the accepted doctrine that were rejected for inclusion. That doesn't mean it was 'right' to do so, but you can't condemn in blanket fashion either. We don't have the facts.

Christians would just argue that the decisions made at conference were guided by God, in the same way the composition of many of the books was guided by God. The parallel with Hadith is a very good one - there simply is no case to answer here. Nothing was "banned", those books omitted have been studied by Christian theologians ever since. The fuss about some particular "books" and "gospels" is only because they have been re-discovered in some fashion (such as the Nag Hammadi finds) recently. Much of the traditional Apocrypha is just as controversial, but has always been freely available and is simply seen for what it is.
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QuranStudy
09-05-2006, 02:13 PM
Every question has been answered. You cannot see the forest because the trees are in your way.
No question has been answered. All I recieved so far were responses irrelevant to the topic. You cannot see the forest because it is absent to begin with!

that a conference held 250 years before Mohammed was born it was decided what should be in the Bible in the first place.
Obviously they wouldnt put the truth in their holy text (sex, violence etc). Instead they copied pagan beliefs and made it the "word of God." No wonder why God had to send Muhammad (pbuh)!

Book of Adam and Eve

This book is a background story of Genesis 3. It was left out because it sort of duplicated Genesis and was written at a much later time (3rd or 4th century). In this book, Satan is an angel in human form that accompanies the serpent when tempting Eve. Not only that, but Eve is tempted twice in this book. The first is the familiar one found in Genesis. The other takes place much later after the banishment from Eden when Adam feels that the two must do penance for their sin by standing in separate rivers (Jordan for Adam, Tigris for Eve) for 40 days. After eighteen days, Satan approaches Eve in the deceptive form of a divine angel, tells her she is forgiven, and successfully tempts her for a second time to disobey a command by leaving the river.

The book also tells us that God made all his angels bow down to his greatest creation - Adam. Satan refused to bow to someone who is inferior to him and made later. He rebelled and built an altar in Heaven higher than God's. Enraged, God had him banished to Hell.

That last story found its way into Islam’s holy book, the Quran. In that book, Adam was made of clay and some mysterious beings called Jin were made from smokeless fire. As above, all the angels were ordered by Heavenly Father to bow down Adam, His greatest creation. All the angels obeyed, and all the Jins except Satan obeyed. Angels cannot disobey God but Jins have freewill and so they can disobey God.
Book of Jubilees

In Genesis, there’s a question about Adam and Eve having three sons and no daughters. How did humanity flourish under such circumstances? It is also written that after Cain is ostracized, he leaves with a pregnant wife. Where did she come from? The Book of Jubilees (or Little Genesis), which was written c. 150 BC, tries to explain. In this book, Adam and Eve have nine sons and daughters. Awan, their third child, ends up being Cain’s wife. But this creates a new problem - [n]incest.[/b] Because of that, it’s felt that the Book of Jubilees was probably omitted from official western Christian scripture. But, this particular book was found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls and it is also official cannon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
Book of Enoch

This book fleshes out the story of Enoch, ancestor of Noah, a man who walked with God that gets only one sentence in the Bible (Genesis 5:22). It also elaborates on Genesis 6:2-7 and Deuteronomy 2:20-21 the story of 200 angels mating with the “Daughters of the Earth” to create giants in the land. According to this book, not only did these angels lust after earthly women, they also taught mankind certain dark arts including that of weapon making. Ultimately, the head angel Azazel (or Azael) and all his followers are bound in Hell for their misdeeds.

Azazel approaches Enoch in a dream and pleads that he intercede for him and his followers with God for clemency. While in Heaven, Enoch is given a grand tour by the angel Uriel and is given extensive knowledge about the positions of stars and planets in the sky - astrology.

This book was somewhat similar to Revelations, but was considered too severe and strange to be included in the Bible. James Bruce, however, discovered it in the late 18th Century at Axum, Ethiopia to be amongst Ethiopian Orthodox Christian scripture. The hypothesis is that this book made its way there with the Queen of Sheba as the book contains a story about her visit with Solomon and the fact that she bore one of his children, Menelek I the first Ethiopian king. When Christians arrived in the 4th Century, they stumbled across the book and immediately blended it in with their official Holy Scriptures. Like Jubilees, this book was also found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The infancy of Thomas

Thomas, which deals extensively with Jesus’ youth, was written too late to be considered as official scripture. The earliest copy was written in the 6th century, but one clue suggests that it was in circulation in 150 as a church leader made comments about its stories being spurious.

One of the stories in this book tells of Jesus making some clay birds and then bringing them to life on the Sabbath. The book also shows that Jesus had a malevolent side. In one story, he pushed a playmate off a roof then brought him back to life, in another he blinded one of father Joseph’s customers for being critical of his work.

As the story progresses, Jesus slowly evolves from a five year old “divine brat” who used his wisdom to put down people to a more loving 8 year old who used his powers to help others. In another story he helped his father Saint Joseph out after he had cut some wood to the wrong length by miraculously lengthening a number of boards to the correct dimension.

The book, of which some sections found their way into the Quran, points out that though Jesus may have been a brat in his youth, he overcame his problems and went on to become a person of greatness.
Gospel of James

Written a century before the Bible was canonized, this book delves into the life of Mary, mother of Jesus. The book begins with Mary’s parents, Joachin and Anna. After having given up on having a child due to Anna being barren, Anna suddenly conceives. This immaculate conception is a proof that Mary herself was born without the stain of Original sin (sans sex).

By the 4th Century, the Catholic Church insisted that Mary was a virgin her entire life yet Mark 6:3 mentions four additional sons and a number of daughters. James solves this riddle by saying those children were Joseph’s from a previous marriage.

The stories in this book were well known to Arab Christians and are included in the Quran where the 19th Chapter is another accounting of the Annunciation and Virgin Birth.

James wasn’t included in the Bible due to the fact that it probably should have been at the beginning of the New Testament to fit in chronologically. The early church fathers felt that doing so would detract too much from the main character - Jesus.
Gnostic Scrolls of Nag Hamadi

Found in a jar in a cave by a peasant while searching the hills near Nag Hamadi, Egypt in 1945, the Nag Hammadi library contains 52 texts were written by a group of early Christians that were considered heretics by the early church fathers. The Gnostics believed that the physical world was a cosmic mistake created by an evil or lesser god. Salvation comes from an inner knowledge - gnosis - not of the evil creator god but of the transcendent realm of light and truth. People had to wake up the god within.
The Gospel of Mary

One of the texts found at Nag Hamadi, Mary Magdalene is portrayed as a full apostle in this book where she is given special teachings from Jesus. Some of those teachings, such as “Where the mind is, there is the treasure” (Mary 10:14-16) and “He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind which is between the two” (Mary 10: 20-22), were purely Gnostic in nature. As such, it found little favor among the orthodox church fathers. Furthermore, the concept of Mary being so close to Jesus raises the possibility of an independent female voice within the church that was anathema to the 4th Century church leaders.

While comprising his list of acceptable scripture for the forthcoming Bible, Bishop Athanasius also comprised a list of texts that were to be excluded and the Gospel of Mary was one of them. Upon receiving such news, Gnostic monks decided it best to bury this and other books at Nag Hamadi.
The Gospel of Nicodemus

Believed to have been written in the 3rd or 4th century due to the testimonies of the early church fathers, this is a story of Jesus’s trial, execution and brief descent into Hell.

Hell in this book is a place where everyone is destined to go and Jesus ventures there to free many of the early church patriarchs and martyrs.

Many scholars, as well as early church leaders, feel it’s a forgery to gain converts by impressing upon an individual the Savior’s power over Satan. Others see it as a redundant compilation of all other stories previously written. Finally, many of the early church fathers deemed its description of the underworld as too speculative because they viewed Hell as a state of mind and not a physical place.
The Apocalypse of Peter

A contender with the Revelations of John, it fell out of favor with the early leaders as they doubted its authorship and the fact that Revelations was better written.

During the time of the Christian persecutions, many Apocalyptic literature was in circulation to console the faithful that the evil empire (Rome) was going to have justice served on it.

This book gives a gruesome detailed account of what Hell is like. It also suggests a way out of Hell for evildoers. If a consensus of heavenly angels decide to beseech the Lord to forgive their sins, they can escape. Church leaders were opposed to such a concept because that would mean that anyone can sin all they wanted because ultimately all will be saved.

Although banned, it is noteworthy that it was a very popular book that was in circulation as recently as the 1500s. Martin Luther and other early Protestant leaders forbade their followers to read it.

The first half of the book is purported to be an eyewitness account of His trial and execution and it’s the only place where it’s mentioned that Jesus saw his mother while proceeding to his crucifixion. Some scholars feel this text was a catalyst for the Catholic Stations of the Cross processional.
The Apocalypse of Peter part 2

A Gnostic work that was considered heretical, it describes Jesus’s death where Jesus’s human body is suffering while His spirit is off to one side observing and laughing. The message is that the Son wasn’t human making the Nicene Creed the heretical concept.
As you read, you will realize one thing. These scriptures were banned solely because the Christian scholars disagreed with them. Some of these works were even found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. Hence, the Bible is not the word of God. It's fiction giving divinity to a radical (copied from pagan beliefs), while editing out any works that give out negative truth.

No Christian yet answered my question (s):

You still havent explained me about the "rejected bible?" Why were they rejected? Who gave them the right to reject it? Why omit credible stories if they're authentic source?
Can anyone also explain why the Christians reject the Gospel of Judas??

More similar topics:
http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm
http://www.geocities.com/atheistdivine/authentic.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/inerran1.htm
http://www.rickrichards.com/bible/Bible.html
http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
http://mindprod.com/religion/biblestudy.html
http://www.usbible.com/usbible/Default_2.htm#paul
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/bible.htm
http://www.non-religious.com/scriptures.html
http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html
http://www.bibleinterp.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/bibcom/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bib...baccuracy.html
http://www.rationalchristianity.net/...contradictions


Happy reading! :D
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Trumble
09-05-2006, 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by QuranStudy
No question has been answered. All I recieved so far were responses irrelevant to the topic.
No, just responses you don't want to hear because they are inconvenient.
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Jayda
09-05-2006, 07:55 PM
quranstudy,

if you read the wikipedia entry it tells you why they were rejected, it looks like most were either written too late or were not written by the people that claimed to write them... like the Gospel of James which wasnt written by James... or they were rejected for being written too late and for saying heretical things about Jesus like the infancy gospel... the bible is not like the koran, it is more like the hadith... its not like jesus came to us and handed us one big uniform book... instead he walked around and preached and performed miracles and based on the observations of those around him that became the bible (written of course under the guidance of the holy spirit)... so church leaders had to decide whether gospels were actually accurate and then they had to decide if they were inspired...

i hope that helps!
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QuranStudy
09-05-2006, 08:26 PM
No, just responses you don't want to hear because they are inconvenient.
I dont see Quran bashing as a legitimate answer. If people have problems with certain verses, then can make a new thread just like I did. I got recieved zero explantions to the issue of the rejected bibles.

Originally Posted by Jayda
if you read the wikipedia entry it tells you why they were rejected, it looks like most were either written too late or were not written by the people that claimed to write them...
That is a good reason. However, wikipedia also states that some of these rejected scriptures were also found with the dead sea scrolls.

the bible is not like the koran, it is more like the hadith... its not like jesus came to us and handed us one big uniform book... instead he walked around and preached and performed miracles and based on the observations of those around him that became the bible (written of course under the guidance of the holy spirit)... so church leaders had to decide whether gospels were actually accurate and then they had to decide if they were inspired...
Thanks for that answer. I'm finally satisfied :)
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Jayda
09-05-2006, 11:57 PM
de nada :)

oh... if you dont mind me asking... how come you spell koran quran?
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Skillganon
09-06-2006, 01:06 AM
Originally Posted by Jayda
de nada :)

oh... if you dont mind me asking... how come you spell koran quran?
Hola,

We spell it Quran because it is closer to the pronounciation.
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Jayda
09-06-2006, 03:33 PM
gracias... im sorry i didnt spell it correctly
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-06-2006, 04:22 PM
Sigh...the whole point is " humans" have NO right to decide what goes in the Bible. If its meant to be the word of God, then dont change anything. Whether its adding or deleting. Whatever God puts down for us, He does for a reason. I assure you God is much smarter than us! How can u call it the word of God when u have people adding or deleteing stuff. Its simple realli, not hard.
I dont think God sent down His words, so people can change it.
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Zulkiflim
09-06-2006, 06:45 PM
Salaam,

to put simple..

For us muslim the Quran is the divine word of Allah to the Propeht Muhammad saw.

the hadith/sunnah are sayings/actions of the Prophet.

The Bible is a collection of what people heard Propeht Jesus as did.

thus for me the bible is the hadith/sunnah of the Prophet Jesus.

Word of man for men by men,no line of thread unlike the hadith.
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lavikor201
09-06-2006, 06:47 PM
No Christian yet answered my question (s):
Many of the "stories" of the bible you have posted are gross mistranslations, misused, out of context, and assumptions made by a biased author.

Anyway, I gotta go buissness is getting much busier right now which is a good thing for me... not for LI Islam cause they don't get more of me... lol :p
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QuranStudy
09-06-2006, 06:51 PM
Anyway, I gotta go buissness is getting much busier right now which is a good thing for me... not for LI Islam cause they don't get more of me... lol
Is it true you have a fish market business?
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Jayda
09-06-2006, 06:58 PM
i love seafood!!! when i was a little girl we used to catch fish off our dock in veracruz during the summer
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