Originally Posted by Ramadhan
I will try
Originally Posted by Ramadhan
Please show me how the Bible is as corrupted as you say. I am looking to see why I should believe Islam over Christianity. I haven’t been given proof except you saying that the Quran hasn’t had one word change. The Book of Mormon hasn’t change either does that mean it is God’s word?
It doesn’t matter what I say to you about the Bible, and what good will it do to show you translational errors or some interpolations, You don’t deny they exist do you? But if you are trying to tell me that the whole Bible is corrupted in the Torah, Pslams and the Gospel, you are going against Islam. I will try and reason with you why I trust the Bible by using the Quran which, btw, never had a divine mandate to be written. Quran means recitation not write! Here is what the Quran says about these books of the Bible you say you have 100% corrupted passages for. That means not negligible interpolations and translational errors, but something significant that should cause me to dump the Bible for the Quran.
- "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).
- "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms," (4:163).
- "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)
before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3).
Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel
: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46).
The Qu'ran states that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel were all given by God. I have no problem with this, but you claim that the Bible is corrupted. If that is so, then you don’t believe the Qu'ran since it states like the Bible does that the Word of God cannot be change or corrupted:
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah
. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words
: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all," (6:115).
"For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah
. This is indeed the supreme felicity," (10:64).
During Muhammad’s time, he received the revelation of the Qu'ran from Allah / Gabriel. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted. This is my proof to you because the Qu'ran states that God's word cannot be corrupted. The Bible says “Thy word oh God is established in the heavens forever” The question I have for you and as you promised to provide this information is "When and where was the Bible corrupted, since the Qu'ran says that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are from Allah which can never be altered? Are you telling me you believe man’s power to corrupt the word of Allah to the prophets that came before Muhammad is greater than Allah’s power to preserve even after Allah tells you his word cannot be corrupted. And show me where Muhammad said the Bible is corrupted.
finally don't forget the Jews made copies from the originals and so did the Greek Christians and there are hundreds of copies in circulation that can be comapared with each other. They line up with what Muhammad had at his time and they are the same today some in English that have better translations than others, but we get the meaning loud and clear