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Kidman
Also, if you click on the link, you can see the footage of the event
Kidman
Lavikor told me on another thread that the Orthodox still believe in Israel, but they don't believe the land of Israel should be occupied until the Messiah comes, or something like that.
I'm from a radically different school (and I'm apparently the only person on the planet that sees things this way). I believe in Judea, because the tribes of Benjamin and Judah still exist. I refuse to accept Israel as a reality because that land belonged to the ten tribes the Judeans fought against. They were vanquished. According to the Torah, they are the only ones who can lay an ancestral claim to the lands that were Israel. In my book, because these brothers fought against each other (destroying the divine covenant they all made with God), this was divine Justice and it would be a blasphemy for any Judean to occupy what was Israelite land. Ezra himself didn't dare to do that upon his return from Babylon and he was a master of the Laws of Moshe (Moses).
Records indicate that the ten tribes of the Israelites were absorbed into the Assyrian culture, which later became Muslim. I believe the strain of the Israelite lines lie somewhere among the Sunni Arab peoples, though I can't prove that without DNA sampling. My reason for thinking this is only based on the fact that the Sunni Arabs are the ones who are the most offended by the Judean occupation of Israelite land. Such anger didn't come from thin air. They also share the same language, lineage and laws. I recall you clarified one of them when you confirmed for me that tattoos were allowed by the Shiite scholars... yet both the Judeans and the Sunni Arab Muslims agree they are haram. This isn't the only similarity in laws, by the way. I've logged quite a number of them. Enough to establish a viable connection.
At any rate, based on the information I have, if I were to judge the current condition, I would award the lands of Judea and half of Jerusalem to the Jews and restore the lands of the ten tribes of Israel to the Sunni Arab Muslim community, since that's the closest we'll get to a true Israelite strain. This is also why I didn't feel it was wise for the Mujahedeen to deal with the new Israel, as Zarqawi had wished. If they are brothers, they cannot lawfully fight each other... not without serious consequence... again! But the Shia, on behalf of the covenant of Islam, can lawfully engage in combat with the new state for the Sunnis, though I'm hoping it doesn't come to that.
Of course, such a judgment is grounds for one hell of an argument, but I'm just in the mood and I only need one good excuse to get the ball rolling! It would simplify things immensely if the scholars would come forward and Assemble... they're the ones who should be duking it out.
Ninth Scribe