Isrealis Dates for Ramadhan:Boycott

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

[PIE]Israeli Dates Flood France in Ramadan

By Hadi Yahmid, IOL Correspondent

PARIS — French Muslims have launched a campaign to boycott Israeli dates that poured into the markets ahead of the holy fasting month of Ramadan, which starts Sunday, September 24, in the European country.

"The Union of Muslim Associations has urged French Muslims to boycott Israeli dates flooding the French market during Ramadan," Hasan Farsado, the UMA leader in the Seine-Saint-Denis district, told IslamOnline.net Saturday, September 23.

The dates, nicknamed as the "dates of Jordan River," could be seen in abundance across predominantly Muslim French districts.

"Islamic organizations have called on residents to make sure of the country of origin before buying the dates," Farsado said.

French Muslims, estimated at some six millions, are set to start fasting on Sunday, September 24.

Muslims are used to breaking their fast with dates, following in the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

Muslim adults - excepting the sick, infirm and those on a journey - are required to abstain from food, water and sexual relations during daylight hours throughout Ramadan.

Symbol

Ramadan is seen by the second and third generations of French Muslims as a poignant symbol of their Islamic identity.

A poll by LaFe magazine showed that the majority of Muslims, particularly of the second and third generations, is committed to following the Islamic traditions during Ramadan.

Some 88% of French Muslims said they are keen on fasting Ramadan, according to the poll.

Nearly 43% of the respondents also said they were practicing Muslims, while four percent said they were keen on performing hajj.

Some 20% of those surveyed also said they are used to reciting the Noble Qur'an to recite some verses of the Noble Qur'an for at least once a week.[/PIE]

So do look out for in your area,and ask where it comes from,do not support this regime to murder our brothers and sisters.

[Trumble]

So do look out for in your area,and ask where it comes from,do not support this regime to murder our brothers and sisters.

Of course, as opposed to the Israeli 'regime', the only people actually likely to be affected are the farmers who grow the dates and those who work for them, a large number of whom are probably muslims themselves, but what the heck, eh?

[north_malaysian]

I know that they grow dates in Israel..... but export it to Muslim nation? Dont think so..... there are too much supplies from Iran and Saudi..... plus Israeli dates are not well known like Iranian or Saudi dates eg.. maryami, ruttab etc...

[Muezzin]

Of course, as opposed to the Israeli 'regime', the only people actually likely to be affected are the farmers who grow the dates and those who work for them, a large number of whom are probably muslims themselves, but what the heck, eh?

Yeah but dude, I like dates from Iran. They're so juicy!

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[Woodrow]

Yeah but dude, I like dates from Iran. They're so juicy!

I was surprised to see the French companies buying Israeli Dates. The dates from Israel are the most costly to buy because production is still in it's Infancy. French companies are about the largest Date exporters in the world and normaly they bought most of their dates from Iranian farms and repackaged them in France for world wide sales. French companies even buy our California Dates, repackage them and us American consumers buy them as "imported" dates.

[Obi-Wan]

Of course, as opposed to the Israeli 'regime', the only people actually likely to be affected are the farmers who grow the dates and those who work for them, a large number of whom are probably muslims themselves, but what the heck, eh?

Boycotts and sanctions worked against South Africa.

Yes,
The black South Africans also suffered from the boycotts. But they were suffering under apartheid, too.

Governments need to know how people feel. Boycotts like this will tell governments (and corporations) that pressure needs to be put on Israel to end the oppression of the Palestinians.

[Woodrow]

Boycotts and sanctions worked against South Africa.

Yes,
The black South Africans also suffered from the boycotts. But they were suffering under apartheid, too.

Governments need to know how people feel. Boycotts like this will tell governments (and corporations) that pressure needs to be put on Israel to end the oppression of the Palestinians.

The problem is who is the pressure being put on? Will the Israeli government actualy loose any money? I would doubt it. Chances are the farmers have already paid the export fees. The French distributors have probably already paid for the Dates, so the ones who will feel the pressure will be the French retailers and that will only last until they find an alternate market.

Be just a matter of days before they show up elsewhre in the world under a French Label

[Mr. Baldy]

so... how exactly is this going to help the palestinians? will this make israel remove border sanctions on palestine? will this stop random killing of palestinian children? but forget that though how is this going to help the ummah as a whole? the israelis dont need to sell dates to get money and arms. the goverments know how people feel.

[Zulkiflim]

so... how exactly is this going to help the palestinians? will this make israel remove border sanctions on palestine? will this stop random killing of palestinian children? but forget that though how is this going to help the ummah as a whole? the israelis dont need to sell dates to get money and arms. the goverments know how people feel.

Salaam,

The US are the biggest contributor for the Isrealis and thy have giving money woth billions year on year.

The US in the long run is not sustainable,if it continue in its current trend.

And thus if the US do not give money to the Isrealis ,how will thy stand,,,by their own economy..

And thus they are trying this as hard as possible.
To create a market for their goods.

So stop their economy,make the US purge more money to sustain Israel,with their current cost of living and we will se how long it last.

[Trumble]

Yeah but dude, I like dates from Iran. They're so juicy!

LOL.. oddly enough, so do I. The figs are even better. Iran seems really big on dried fruit.

[Woodrow]

Salaam,

The US are the biggest contributor for the Isrealis and thy have giving money woth billions year on year.

The US in the long run is not sustainable,if it continue in its current trend.

And thus if the US do not give money to the Isrealis ,how will thy stand,,,by their own economy..

And thus they are trying this as hard as possible.
To create a market for their goods.

So stop their economy,make the US purge more money to sustain Israel,with their current cost of living and we will se how long it last.

So far the US has been reducing any money to Israel by 120 million dollars per year. The current budget for 2006 is down to 240 million. 2007 will be the final year for any US payments. Israel is fairly well self sustaining. It produced $155 Billion in proucts last year. Americans bought $13 Billion of it the remainder was sold to other countries. Israel is now the largest single producer of military weapons and last year sold 10% of the worlds weapons to other nations. At the moment Israel companies are doing their largest investment in asiatic countries, largely in China.

VC firm to finance Israeli companies operating in Asia

Infinity Venture Capital has launched a USD 100 million to USD 150 million fund to invest in Israeli companies doing business abroad, with 40 percent of the funds targeted to Israeli-related deals in China. ...

The Israeli companies attracting the most foriegn investors are:

D&B: Teva – Israeli company most wanted by world

Teva, Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd. and Oil Refineries Ltd. are the Israeli companies the world is most interested in, a survey conducted by Dun & Bradstreet regarding foreign companies and businesses' interest ...
Full story

Plus the Lebannon war made about $480 million surplus from foreign investments.

Foreign investment totals USD 480 million during war

The Bank of Israel announced that, despite the war in Lebanon, foreign investment in Israel totaled USD 480 million during the war. Foreign investment totaled USD 358 million in August alone. The figures show ...

There is currently a deal in negotiation with Jordan:

Israel to allow electricity import from Jordan to Jericho

National Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer approved the setting up of an electricity connection between Jericho and the Jordanian kingdom. If the project materializes, this would be the first time that a ...

The source for the quotes are an Israeli economics paper. So use your own judgement on the reliability. However, from reading that report it looks like Israel has no real need for any future US economic aid.

Source for the Quotes: http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3184,00.html

As more investors begin investing in Israel the more difficult it is for any boycot to to have any impact. Looks like Israel is doing much of it's prouction outside of Israel and that the larger Israeli companies are not even in Israel.

The best chance for Palestine is for Palestine to build up It's own resources and become economicaly stable.

Boycotting Israel products will have little effect on Israel as their major products are not even made in Israel.

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

Like i said,all this happens due to western aid,,direct aid and indirect aid all sum up to be aid,to support their economy.

The US coutnries are literally forcing the business with trade deals and icnetives towards Israel..

that is why their PEACE is so much valued by the US and Israel.

Every attack causes investors to worry and shudder.
Every act of resistance casues the economy to be destabilised.


http://www.washington-report.org/htm..._to_israel.htm

And the Isrealis exporting weapons and what not of course it is their best commondity,they are able to test out their wapons on Palesitnian dont they.
New bombs and missiles and so on wihout any repurcussion.

And moderate muslim support such endeauvour.

And Inshallah,as always oh ummah,,,boycott Israel and stop their economy.


As the Quran states,any beleiver who kill another willingly will enter hell.

And by supoorting such outputs from these countries you are just signing a bomb for the Palesitian and the Ummah.

[PIE]Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240[/PIE]

Israel GDP

[PIE]GDP - per capita
purchasing power parity - $24,600(2005 est.)[/PIE]

[north_malaysian]

How about Israelis buying Malaysian electrical and electronic product? Imagine if they boycott Malaysian goods...

[Zulkiflim]

How about Israelis buying Malaysian electrical and electronic product? Imagine if they boycott Malaysian goods...

Salaam,

Do you need aid from Israel?
And likewise Malaysia should stop any export tthat goes to Israel.

That should be the same for any country that claim itself to be muslim..Inshallah

But interesting,what do Malaysia export to Israel?

Intel chips?

[north_malaysian]

Salaam,

Do you need aid from Israel?
And likewise Malaysia should stop any export tthat goes to Israel.

That should be the same for any country that claim itself to be muslim..Inshallah

But interesting,what do Malaysia export to Israel?

Intel chips?

It's ILLEGAL to export Malaysian goods to Israel and vice versa... SO it's exported thru your country, Singapore.

For Malaysian government, it's not recognized as Malaysian-Israeli trade relationship but treated as Malaysian-Singaporean. But Israel recognized it as Malaysian-Israeli trade ..... from what I've read long time ago Malaysian exports to Israel worth millions of dollars... mostly electrical goods with word "MADE IN MALAYSIA".

Intel, Motorola, Infineon have huge factories here .... maybe they exported their goods to Israel too....

Maybe lavikor can do a survey on how many Malaysian goods inside Israel and from which manufacturers?

[sacred_rose]

i find that so slack just because thier government is a bit in human dosnt mean they are i know ur sending out a message and i dont blame them but dont punish ppl for other ppls actions

[Sherrif]

Quote:
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
How about Israelis buying Malaysian electrical and electronic product? Imagine if they boycott Malaysian goods...

Salaam,

Do you need aid from Israel?
And likewise Malaysia should stop any export tthat goes to Israel.

That should be the same for any country that claim itself to be muslim..Inshallah

But interesting,what do Malaysia export to Israel?

Intel chips?

I believe Nike Sportswear is one of the biggest commerical good being exported to Israel by Malaysia. My own Nike outdoor shoe is made in Malaysia according to the tag on it.

north_malaysian
How about Israelis buying Malaysian electrical and electronic product? Imagine if they boycott Malaysian goods...

Try and find other buyers; this would be more appropriate than feeding Israel on Malaysian-made goods. Any Jew in the US would do so if it were Israel being beaten each single day by a Muslim country...

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

The promising fact is that more and more Americans are beginning to question their [Government's] unequivocal help to Israel. This is a good sign that finally appears on the horizon. You must have read that famous article written by two well-known scholars from Yale and Harvard universities which asserts Israel is not necessarily the only ally ally US might have in the Middle East and which demonstrates that such a direct identicalness with Israel does actually harm US interests in the region.

Now it is hightime -when public sentiment nurtured against Israel is so dense- for Muslims, especially our American muslim brothers and sisters to take action and enlighten their communities by working in synch about the present and future hazards US is bound to endure just because of some ideologists' perching on the key positions in the current government.

[Woodrow]

The problem with any boycot is trying to have a boycot that actualy targets the right person. anything labeled Israel does not necessarily mean it is an Israeli product. Israel is the primary export point for not only Israel but also for Palestine, Syria, and Jordan. Many goods that come from those countries will pass through an Israeli brokerage or assmbly company and are labeled as Israeli products for trade. Those Israeli dates are very likely to have been the produce of Palestinians.

The real solution is not to do the negative but to do the positive, which is to help Palestine become a trade center. That can be one of the keys to Palestinian freedom and self sufficiency. Until Palestine can be self sufficient it will be dependent on Israel for buying Palestinian products. The few manufacturers and food producers in Palestine rely on Israel to buy their goods. There is a very unhealthy symbionic relationship between Israel and Palestine. What helps one helps the other. What hurts one hurts the other. Neither, especialy Palestinians like the situation. But, until the Muslim world starts buying Palestinian goods, the situation is not likely to change.

Now the big problem is what can be boycoted that would actualy make an impact on Israel. Keep in mind many of the Israeli products are not produced in Israel. Check out IKEA furniture a scandinavian company that on the surface has no ties with Israel. Yet, in the Mideast Israel is one of their largest distributors. If you buy IKEA products in most mideastern countries, the profits help Israel. But, the same distributorship has centers in several of the Mideastern countries to buy from any of them also helps support Israel. Yet to boycot IKEA would also hurt the Islamic countries.

It would be very difficult to find any product that does not have some Israeli investment involved and results in profit for Israel. the only true boycot of Israel products will come when Muslim countries will produce Muslim products for Muslims.

[sacred_rose]

i agree with woodrow 100 % it so true and then we wont have the problem of reading labels lol:giggling:

[Woodrow]

The real wars of today are wars of economics. Yet, so few of the worlds people are aware of the war and only seek immediate military victories, that in the long run helps those we are fighting against. The battle is for Muslim countries to become product producers and not just consumers that complain about the source.

The wealthiest oil countries, need to rely on imported products just for the necessities of life. Paradoxoly, they support the countries they alledgedly despise. Most oil producing countries do not even produce their own gasoline and need to depend on foreign petroleum companies, which are owned by investors a large percentage of them being Israeli.

Nearly all the food consumed in the mideast is imported. The mideastern countries have very few natural resources and very little arable land. Nearly all building supplies and food products need to be imported. They import through international corporations that are owned by investors (stock holders) they never stop to think as to who the stock holders are.

The only solution is to become self sufficient and return the global economy to local levels.



Take any product you own, take it apart, look at where the componants are made, look at where it was assembled and see the investor make up of the brand name it is sold under. I doubt if there is any product sold in international markets that does not produce a profit for investors from nearly every country. Unless we start producing essentials within the confines of our own countries, we have no way of knowing who we are supporting.

[north_malaysian]

The real wars of today are wars of economics. Yet, so few of the worlds people are aware of the war and only seek immediate military victories, that in the long run helps those we are fighting against. The battle is for Muslim countries to become product producers and not just consumers that complain about the source.

The wealthiest oil countries, need to rely on imported products just for the necessities of life. Paradoxoly, they support the countries they alledgedly despise. Most oil producing countries do not even produce their own gasoline and need to depend on foreign petroleum companies, which are owned by investors a large percentage of them being Israeli.

Nearly all the food consumed in the mideast is imported. The mideastern countries have very few natural resources and very little arable land. Nearly all building supplies and food products need to be imported. They import through international corporations that are owned by investors (stock holders) they never stop to think as to who the stock holders are.

The only solution is to become self sufficient and return the global economy to local levels.



Take any product you own, take it apart, look at where the componants are made, look at where it was assembled and see the investor make up of the brand name it is sold under. I doubt if there is any product sold in international markets that does not produce a profit for investors from nearly every country. Unless we start producing essentials within the confines of our own countries, we have no way of knowing who we are supporting.

Do you realised that most of 'so-called' Israeli companies also have Muslim shareholders too....?

[Woodrow]

Do you realised that most of 'so-called' Israeli companies also have Muslim shareholders too....?

I would go as far to say that they all do. Converse is also true. virtualy all Muslim companies have Jewish shareholders too

[north_malaysian]

I would go as far to say that they all do. Converse is also true. virtualy all Muslim companies have Jewish shareholders too

is it? How about OUR largest company PETRONAS.... do they have Jewish shareholders too... hmmm.... need some research.....

Prince Al Waleed bin Talal has investment in AOL, Apple Computer, Motorola, Four Seasons Hotel, Euro Disneyland

[Woodrow]

is it? How about OUR largest company PETRONAS.... do they have Jewish shareholders too... hmmm.... need some research.....

Prince Al Waleed bin Talal has investment in AOL, Apple Computer, Motorola, Four Seasons Hotel, Euro Disneyland

If shares are sold on the open exchange it will have Jewish investors along with Christians Atheists and anything you can think of.

[Woodrow]

From what I can find the Parent company Petronas Twin Towers is Government owned however the many world wide subsidieries are on the open stock exchanges so inderectly it would be safe to say there are Israeli investors.

Especialy the Japanese branch:

PETRONAS MITCO Japan Sdn Bhd

[Zulkiflim]

It's ILLEGAL to export Malaysian goods to Israel and vice versa... SO it's exported thru your country, Singapore.

For Malaysian government, it's not recognized as Malaysian-Israeli trade relationship but treated as Malaysian-Singaporean. But Israel recognized it as Malaysian-Israeli trade ..... from what I've read long time ago Malaysian exports to Israel worth millions of dollars... mostly electrical goods with word "MADE IN MALAYSIA".

Intel, Motorola, Infineon have huge factories here .... maybe they exported their goods to Israel too....

Maybe lavikor can do a survey on how many Malaysian goods inside Israel and from which manufacturers?

Salaam,

Yes Sg have trade deal with Israel for our country is small.And our gov have to depend on the good graces of the western power to remian viable n the current economy.

They are even buiding 2 casinos despit the majority of Singaporeans who do not want it.

Inshallah,maybe if you found this then you can highlight to Malaysia authorities and let us see what they do.


For the Ummah must try to remain united for then the moderates and hyprocrites and kafirs will turn back and say..SEE EGYPT AND JORDAN are buying Isrealis good.....they are muslim so why cant we..

And they ask why is the Ummah so weak

[Woodrow]

One of the most difficult things to do is to identify an Israeli product. The fact something comes from Israel does not always mean it was made or produced by Israelis or that it is taxed by Israel. Nearly all Palestinian products will be labeled as made in Israel or Product of Israel. The other problem is many products not made in Israel are made by Israeli owned companies. It can be said with almost certainty that if you own any brand name product, the company will have Israeli investors.

[Mr. Baldy]

Salaam,

The US are the biggest contributor for the Isrealis and thy have giving money woth billions year on year.

The US in the long run is not sustainable,if it continue in its current trend.

And thus if the US do not give money to the Isrealis ,how will thy stand,,,by their own economy..

And thus they are trying this as hard as possible.
To create a market for their goods.

So stop their economy,make the US purge more money to sustain Israel,with their current cost of living and we will se how long it last.

fine thats great. but what we really need is for muslim rulers to act, for egypt and saudi to stop ignoring its borders. for pakistan to deploy its army. thats what we need. if you boycott israels economy they will find some other way, or the USA will start a phoney war to 'destabillise' the region and come in so they can legitimatley use military budget to supply islrael with arms to keep palestine and all the other muslim countries surpressed

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

No the boycott should stand why it is simple for support of Palestine.

Make it know why you boycott the product.

When you purchase a product with the branding MADE IN ISRAEL...then you are giving tacit suport for the the Jews to murder more and more Palesitnian.


Consider this,a product is made in Palesitne,sent to Israel,renamed made in Israel..sent thru Isrelis ports,then sent out to the world.

who get the gains?
The Palesitnians?
How much land have the Jews taken form the palestinian to do usch as they are doing now?

In short you are giving Israel a good name,giving Israel more trade deals and money and thus more money to buys weapons to bom the VERY SAME PALESTINIAN whom sent their good to Israel.

So it is a cycle...

And people who do not boycott are supporitng the cycle.

Israel will not support a palesitne state,they always hesitate...
They will not support Palesitne to build a port casue then they will their ONLY avenue to control PALESTINE GROWTH.

So what is the best way?
Simple,Boycott Israel and make them lost big at every sector even in the pivotal services.make them aware that their actions have consequences.

instead if we do not boycott,they will say LOOK WE TRADE WITH MANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND THESE COUTNRIES BUYS LOAD OF ISRELAIS PRODUCT..

So you supoort Israel..

[Zulkiflim]

fine thats great. but what we really need is for muslim rulers to act, for egypt and saudi to stop ignoring its borders. for pakistan to deploy its army. thats what we need. if you boycott israels economy they will find some other way, or the USA will start a phoney war to 'destabillise' the region and come in so they can legitimatley use military budget to supply islrael with arms to keep palestine and all the other muslim countries surpressed

salaam,


Leader are human being ,,they will do what they will do..
But as individuals do we place our sin and deed on our leaders?
Do we blame other for our actiona nd faults?


Our leaders do as they see fit,they shall asnwer for it.

Inshallah..We should also do as we see fit and we will also be answerable..

I fear the Question when we are dead,,and we live again.

Do you follow other and acts as other does.
Astarfillah,if that were the cae Islam would never have been for the whn the Quraish asked the Prophet to stop his preaching and in return they will give him wealth and staus above all of them...he would have done it..

Astarfillah...

Is t so hard to not buy something?
Is it so hard to spend more for items that come from Islamic coutnries...
Is it so ahrd to research about item made in Israel,and what iten consist of item.. made in Israel?

Is it so hard...

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

And interesting read on why the US was so adamant that the Dubai company do not get control of US ports..

[PIE]Dubai ports firm enforces Israel boycott
By MICHAEL FREUND



The parent company of a Dubai-based firm at the center of a political storm in the US over the purchase of American ports participates in the Arab boycott against Israel, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

The firm, Dubai Ports World, is seeking control over six major US ports, including those in New York, Miami, Philadelphia and Baltimore. It is entirely owned by the Government of Dubai via a holding company called the Ports, Customs and Free Zone Corporation (PCZC), which consists of the Dubai Port Authority, the Dubai Customs Department and the Jebel Ali Free Zone Area.

"Yes, of course the boycott is still in place and is still enforced," Muhammad Rashid a-Din, a staff member of the Dubai Customs Department's Office for the Boycott of Israel, told the Post in a telephone interview.

"If a product contained even some components that were made in Israel, and you wanted to import it to Dubai, it would be a problem," he said.

A-Din noted that while the head office for the anti-Israel boycott sits in Damascus, he and his fellow staff members are paid employees of the Dubai Customs Department, which is a division of the PCZC, the same Dubai government-owned entity that runs Dubai Ports World.

Moreover, the Post found that the website for Dubai's Jebel Ali Free Zone Area, which is also part of the PCZC, advises importers that they will need to comply with the terms of the boycott.

In a section entitled "Frequently Asked Questions", the site lists six documents that are required in order to clear an item through the Dubai Customs Department. One of them, called a "Certificate of Origin," "is used by customs to confirm the country of origin and needs to be seen by the office which ensures any trade boycotts are enforced," according to the website.

A-Din of the Israel boycott office confirmed that his office examines certificates of origin as a means of verifying whether a product originated in the Jewish state.

On at least three separate occasions last year, the Post has learned, companies were fined by the US government's Office of Anti-boycott Compliance, an arm of the Commerce Department, on charges connected to boycott-related requests they had received from the Government of Dubai.

US law bars firms from complying with such requests or cooperating with attempts by Arab governments to boycott Israel.


In one instance, according to a Commerce Department press release, a New York-based exporter agreed to pay a fine for having "failed to report in a timely manner its receipts of requests from Dubai" to provide certification that its products had not been made in Israel.

The proposed handover of US ports to DP World has provoked a political storm in Washington, where Republicans and Democrats alike have expressed hostility to the plan, citing national security concerns.

In an attempt to stave off opposition, DP World agreed over the weekend to a highly unusual 45-day second federal investigation of potential security risks.[/PIE]

So look at this,arabs well some arabs coutnries are enforcing the boycott of all incoming part to ensure that NOT EVEN A SINGLE COMPONENT MADE IN ISRAEL ENTER ARAB COUTRNIES..

But what has the US done,since it cant force arab nation to not boycott,the punish those who comply with the boycott...

Simple isnt it,the arabs are making a stand to mulitnational companies,,,get your business out of Israel....we will take it,to the huge market filled wtih OIL money in muslim coutnries..

If you make a single componet in Israel then no thank you..

And so we in non Islamic coutnries shoul also do this boycott...indvidually...to aid the Palestinians..

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

An anotther

[PIE]US fumes as Iraq backs Israel boycott
By MICHAEL FREUND



The US-backed Iraqi government sent an official representative to this week's meeting of the Arab League Boycott Office in Damascus, The Jerusalem Post has learned, prompting criticism from members of Congress and the Bush administration.

Liaison officers from 14 countries met for four days this week to discuss ways of intensifying the Arab embargo against Israel. Among those taking part were delegates from several ostensible US allies, such as Iraq, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait.

Tom Casey, a spokesman for the US State Department, told the Post that Washington was unhappy with Baghdad's action.

"We are disappointed by the decision of the Iraqi government to attend this meeting, and will be noting our concerns with Iraqi officials," he said. "We have raised this issue with Iraqi officials in the past and expect to raise it with them again."

"The US position on the Arab League boycott is well known," Casey noted, adding that "perpetuation of the Arab League boycott does greatest harm to those who participate in it by hampering their efforts to develop their economies."

Members of Congress were also critical of the Iraqi move.

Rep. Paul Ryan, a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, told the Post that "the US government has been very successful in negotiating the cancellation of Israeli boycotts from many countries throughout the Arab world. This would appear to be a big step in the wrong direction on the part of the new Iraqi government."

Ryan, a Republican, said he expected Washington to bring the matter up with Baghdad. "We should make our position clear, just like we do with every other Arab government," he said.

Contacted by phone, a spokesman for the Iraqi embassy in London declined to comment.

According to figures released this week by the Israel Export Institute, there has been a 46 percent rise in Israeli sales to Iraq (valued at $320,000), with 27 exporters active in that market dealing primarily with the US military.[/PIE]

So Isnhallah,if the Iraqis are able to boycott Israel despite its porblem,,why cant we?

astarfillah..


And the Us has already aid that any boycott of Israel is "hampering their own economy"...do making people rich mean they care less for otehr..

Can we prove them wrong?
Shall we sunite or should we sell our faith for dollars and cents..

For me Inshallah i boycott,for you your own ahnds and your minds shall be witness as mine will be in my DAY..

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

Another good read

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10866

[Woodrow]

Salaam,

An anotther

[PIE]US fumes as Iraq backs Israel boycott
By MICHAEL FREUND



The US-backed Iraqi government sent an official representative to this week's meeting of the Arab League Boycott Office in Damascus, The Jerusalem Post has learned, prompting criticism from members of Congress and the Bush administration.

Liaison officers from 14 countries met for four days this week to discuss ways of intensifying the Arab embargo against Israel. Among those taking part were delegates from several ostensible US allies, such as Iraq, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait.

Tom Casey, a spokesman for the US State Department, told the Post that Washington was unhappy with Baghdad's action.

"We are disappointed by the decision of the Iraqi government to attend this meeting, and will be noting our concerns with Iraqi officials," he said. "We have raised this issue with Iraqi officials in the past and expect to raise it with them again."

"The US position on the Arab League boycott is well known," Casey noted, adding that "perpetuation of the Arab League boycott does greatest harm to those who participate in it by hampering their efforts to develop their economies."

Members of Congress were also critical of the Iraqi move.

Rep. Paul Ryan, a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, told the Post that "the US government has been very successful in negotiating the cancellation of Israeli boycotts from many countries throughout the Arab world. This would appear to be a big step in the wrong direction on the part of the new Iraqi government."

Ryan, a Republican, said he expected Washington to bring the matter up with Baghdad. "We should make our position clear, just like we do with every other Arab government," he said.

Contacted by phone, a spokesman for the Iraqi embassy in London declined to comment.

According to figures released this week by the Israel Export Institute, there has been a 46 percent rise in Israeli sales to Iraq (valued at $320,000), with 27 exporters active in that market dealing primarily with the US military.[/PIE]

So Isnhallah,if the Iraqis are able to boycott Israel despite its porblem,,why cant we?

astarfillah..


And the Us has already aid that any boycott of Israel is "hampering their own economy"...do making people rich mean they care less for otehr..

Can we prove them wrong?
Shall we sunite or should we sell our faith for dollars and cents..

For me Inshallah i boycott,for you your own ahnds and your minds shall be witness as mine will be in my DAY..

I just believe boycoting Israel would be helping Israel and harming those we are trying to help. All I can see from a Boycot of Israel made product is job loses for Palestinians. And increased sales of non-Israel products from which Israel will make a larger profit.

Israels primary income is from non-product industries such as various services which inclde but is not limited to investment brokerage, wholesaling and other services which are used by virtualy all of the worlds businesses. Israeli products themselve are the lowest profit sources for Israel and loss of those will only hurt Palestinians and have no effect on Israel.

[therebbe]

More Palestinians lose jobs in date fields, therefore cannot feed there family, therefore a Muslim possibly dies.

[sacred_rose]

see i told it wasnt a good idea to boycot its wrong i reakon we should start our own and put money together and open up a muslim company which sells dates and other things.who agrees

[Woodrow]

see i told it wasnt a good idea to boycot its wrong i reakon we should start our own and put money together and open up a muslim company which sells dates and other things.who agrees

That is what the Palestinians in Israel have been trying to do. Except their Muslim Bothers and Sisters have been boycoting them under the pretext of boycoting Israel. Somehow people do not understand that because Palestine is not a world recognised nation Paletinian goods are considered made in Israel.

[sacred_rose]

well we should help them in merchandising their own labels which say made in palestine and we should help because we live in more welloff countries than they do

[Woodrow]

well we should help them in merchandising their own labels which say made in palestine and we should help because we live in more welloff countries than they do

That is what we do need to do. Palestinian products do need to be recognised as being made or raised by Palestinians.

[sacred_rose]

yeah they do need to recognised as palestinian products and we should not boycott them its not fair to them put ur selves in their shoes they are already having a hard time we dont need to make it worse

[north_malaysian]

More Palestinians lose jobs in date fields, therefore cannot feed there family, therefore a Muslim possibly dies.

maybe companies that employed Palestinians should not label "Made in Israel" for Muslim market because Muslims are allergic with the word "Israel" thus deprived them from buying goods that will benefit the Palestinians.

Is it true many farm workers in Israel are Thais, of which some of them are Muslims?

[sacred_rose]

im not sure but still the jews would never do such a thing just bvecause there losing business in dates they still have the coca cola brand and mc donalds nike and a whole lot more companies in which muslims all over the world support

[Woodrow]

maybe companies that employed Palestinians should not label "Made in Israel" for Muslim market because Muslims are allergic with the word "Israel" thus deprived them from buying goods that will benefit the Palestinians.

Is it true many farm workers in Israel are Thais, of which some of them are Muslims?

I do not know about the Thais. However many farm workers in Israel are Palestinian Muslims as are many other workers.

[north_malaysian]

I do not know about the Thais. However many farm workers in Israel are Palestinian Muslims as are many other workers.

From what I've heard since the Intifada, Israeli employers prefer labours from Asia than hiring Palestinians.

[sacred_rose]

omg wallah i wish i could help but im just one person what can i do besides make dua and pray to allah to ease their pain:(

[Inshallah]

This maybe off topic a bit but i love saudi dates, they are the best, especially the one's with the nut's in them.

[sacred_rose]

ive never eaten a date i just drink water but i still support palestine

[Inshallah]

We should all support palestine and pray to allah to shower peace and justice to the palestinian people. You should eat dates as i believe it's a sunnah.

[sacred_rose]

yeah i know but they dont look to appertising lol

[Woodrow]

Now who gets hurt over the boycot of Israeli dates:

Dreams of social security

Over the years reports have accumulated about the employment of Palestinian children in the settlements. Today the Civil Administration issues work permits for youths of 14 and over, claiming that “in Judea and Samaria the youth labor laws and the safety laws are based on Jordanian law.”

Asked if there is an advantage to employing youths in the date industry, the five workers answer: “Of course. Kids are quick and light. They can climb the trees faster. And it’s easier for the contractor to cheat kids when paying them and easier for him to humiliate them or exploit them. A boy doesn’t want a lot of money and he also doesn’t think much about what can happen to him in this work. He doesn’t think about the possibility that the branch will break and he will fall.”

The five relate that poverty drives families to remove their children from school to work in agriculture. Many of these youngsters work in the groves during the pruning season. “You have to understand,” they say, “that for a boy what’s important is to earn as much money as possible. The village children compete over who can earn the most money during vacations, when school is out. With that money, they say, I can buy things that my parents can’t buy me, like a computer or a bicycle, or schoolbooks.”

Source: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/20...jordan-valley/

We should be working to support the Palestinian workers and instead of boycoting we should be striving for better working conditions for the Palestinians, who are the ones that enable the Date business to exist.

[Trumble]

im not sure but still the jews would never do such a thing just bvecause there losing business in dates they still have the coca cola brand and mc donalds nike and a whole lot more companies in which muslims all over the world support

'The jews' DON'T "have" those companies. All of them have private shareholders of all religions, but the most important thing to remember is that the biggest investors in such companies are not individuals but financial institutions and investment companies, not least pension funds. And people of all religions have funds invested in those, too.

Boycotts because of what a company DOES (such as Coca Cola) make some sort of sense, as your aim is to drop the share price and dissuade people from investing until the compay changes its ways. Boycotts because of who "owns" large, public, companies are nonsensical... you have no idea who actually "owns" them either in shares, or by proxy.

[sacred_rose]

sorry if ive offened u in any way :(

and for those kids we take everything we have for granted thank u allah for this beautiful life of mine and inshallah u will grant all those children beautiful lives like mine and even better :cry: :(

[north_malaysian]

especially the one's with the nut's in them.

Whoa.... that one so expensive here....

[Abdulwaheed]

I've never had any of the dates with nuts in them. They sound pretty good though :)

[sacred_rose]

didnt u just read wat woodrow put up god how insensitve can u get there are kids being mistreated and ur here talking about nuts in dates >:[

[Woodrow]

Whoa.... that one so expensive here....

Same here so we make our own. Just take a date, split it open lengthwise, remove the pit. Shove in a long skinny nut section. Almost any nut will do, walnuts, pecans, slices of coconut, even a few peanuts. Squeese it closed and roll it in sugar. Can also stuff them the same way with cream cheese, sliced olives (as strange as that sounds, it tastes great), any fresh fruit slices etc.

Now getting back to Palestine and better alternatives to boycots. Join or donate to a Palesitinian Solidarity group. If you check the right hand side of this Palestine link you will find one recognised by Palestine and probably close to you. Quite a few here in the USA

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/join/

There are many effective ways to really support Palestinians. Boycots will tend to hurt them more than help them. True there are some boycots that may help, but check with the Palestinian sites first and learn what can be usefull boycots. Not boycots based on anger and ignorance of the Palestinian facts.

[sacred_rose]

jazak alluhu khair bro lol that sounds so weird bro ha :giggling:

[Inshallah]

Whoa.... that one so expensive here....

i don't know how expensive they are but they taste so so good :)

[Zulkiflim]

I just believe boycoting Israel would be helping Israel and harming those we are trying to help. All I can see from a Boycot of Israel made product is job loses for Palestinians. And increased sales of non-Israel products from which Israel will make a larger profit.

Israels primary income is from non-product industries such as various services which inclde but is not limited to investment brokerage, wholesaling and other services which are used by virtualy all of the worlds businesses. Israeli products themselve are the lowest profit sources for Israel and loss of those will only hurt Palestinians and have no effect on Israel.

Salaam,

Once thin you need to undrstand that the thread is started is about one item but the boycott is for ALL isrealis goods,tangible or intangible.

As for boycotting the dates will helping Israel?
Can you pls explain?

Let us make a scenario.
Right now the Isrealis control Palesitne land and pay chep labour to force Palestinain to work.

These good are then sent thru out the world,under the name Isrealis goods.
May i ask who garner the greatest economic value from this?

The Palesitnian?
Or the Isrealis?

The Isrealis will get better trade deals,a huge demand for Isrelis Palestinina made product ,and they get moce economic aid to suppress and continue the oppresion.

Why will the Isrealis stop the oppresion and genocide in Palestine as long as they make money from it?

You say you want to save the lone Palesitina whom are working for the Isrealis out of force,,but are you saving their future generation or rahter enabling the Isrelais to further extend their mantra of oppresion?

The Isrealis will say via economic factor,Here we export dates to muslim and non muslim coutnries for Muslims,,,,they are clearly labelled made in israel...and these muslim support Israel good...
So why are people complaining about the oppresion of Palesitne people?
Dont they want their goods? Dont they want our porducts made cheap thru palestine??

[PIE]The Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel was launched in Ramallah in April 2004 by a group of Palestinian academics and intellectuals to join the growing international boycott movement. The Campaign built on the Palestinian call for a comprehensive economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel issued in August 2002 and a statement made by Palestinian academics and intellectuals in the occupied territories and in the Diaspora calling for a boycott of Israeli academic institutions in October 2003.[/PIE]

Source
http://www.pacbi.org/about.htm

The Palesitnina understand that by supporting Isrelais made good you are thus the murder and torture of Palestinians.

You cannot make a state when the other uses your resources and gain economic gain from It.

So it is simple,the Palestinian call for the boycott,
the people who Oppress them and murder and torture them,,ask you not to boycott..

What will you do?

Like i said before,the US have been giving huge economic aid,direct and indirect,to the Isrealis ,by blocking Isrealis goods and Isrealis services we will ensure that Israel as a nation is not viable..

Inshallah,the sacrifices the Palestinian have endured and are endurring,and all those loss of lives is all for one goal..Not to survive but to have their LAnd returned to them..

[PIE]
Palestinian Filmmakers, Artists and Cultural Workers Call for a Cultural Boycott of Israel
| | August 4, 2006

Dear Filmmakers & Artists,

During the past few weeks we have borne witness to the escalation of Israeli
aggression into open war on both Palestine and Lebanon.

With Israel’s invasion of Gaza on June 27th, 2006, ministries and educational institutions have been destroyed, as has the plant that supplies nearly 50 percent of Gaza's electricity. Bridges, roads, dozens of homes, and hundreds of dunams of agricultural land have also been destroyed. Sixty-four elected Palestinian legislators, cabinet ministers and officials have been detained without charge.

On July 12th, Israel brought its campaign of collective punishment and military violence to Lebanon, with "Operation Just Reward". A complete assault, via land, sea, and air, of the Lebanese population and infrastructure has led to total destruction. In just 3 weeks, almost 1 million Lebanese civilians have been displaced and the death toll has reached 900 Lebanese and 160 Palestinians, with a UN count saying one-third of the dead are children.

Additionally, in violation of international law, Israel continues to occupy Gaza, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), and Syria’s Golan Heights. In violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, Israel continues to hold 9,600 Palestinian political prisoners in Israeli jails and detention centers without due process, among them 130 Palestinian women and 388 children, many of them taken from their homes in the middle of the night.

We, the undersigned Palestinian filmmakers and artists, appeal to all artists and filmmakers of good conscience around the world to cancel all exhibitions and other cultural events that are scheduled to occur in Israel, to mobilize immediately and not allow the continuation of the Israeli offensive to breed complacency. Like the boycott of South African art institutions during apartheid, cultural workers must speak out against the current Israeli war crimes and atrocities.

We call upon the International community to join us in the boycott of Israeli film festivals, Israeli public venues, and Israeli institutions supported by the government, and to end all cooperation with these cultural and artistic institutions that to date have refused to take a stand against the Occupation, the root cause for this colonial conflict.

We call upon you to take a stand in order to appeal to the Israeli people to give up their silence, to abandon their apathy, and to face up to their responsibility in the destruction and killing their elected government is wreaking. To the Lebanese and Palestinians terrorized by this Army's planes, bombs and missiles, this silence, apathy and lack of action from Israelis, are regarded as complicit in the ongoing war crimes, as for those Israeli artists, academics and intellectuals who continue to serve in the Israeli army they are directly implicated in these crimes.

We call upon you to give way to action that would replace words spoken too often and forgotten too quickly. We call upon you to make your voices heard in calling for an end to this bloodshed and an end to this oppression that has lasted too long.[/PIE]

In short they ask us the Ummah to take a stand with them,,,do we stand or do we walk aways?

[north_malaysian]

Same here so we make our own. Just take a date, split it open lengthwise, remove the pit. Shove in a long skinny nut section. Almost any nut will do, walnuts, pecans, slices of coconut, even a few peanuts. Squeese it closed and roll it in sugar. Can also stuff them the same way with cream cheese, sliced olives (as strange as that sounds, it tastes great), any fresh fruit slices etc.

I've seen those dates in Arab dates shop in the university ... it can cost to hundreds of ringgit - of course with good wrappings or packagings.... thanks for the recipe...... I'll try to impress my mum by making my own dates with nuts....

[Woodrow]

We stand with the Palestinians. But, let us stand as the Palestinians themselves want us to stand. Let us give them real support and ask them what is best for them. To me the best way is to check with Palestinians and learn what will support them and what will harm them.

But, one thing to keep in mind, until Palestine is an economic enity on it's own any help for Palestinians will benefit Israel. We can not let that stop us from supporting Palestinians.

[north_malaysian]

We stand with the Palestinians. But, let us stand as the Palestinians themselves want us to stand. Let us give them real support and ask them what is best for them. To me the best way is to check with Palestinians and learn what will support them and what will harm them.

But, one thing to keep in mind, until Palestine is an economic enity on it's own any help for Palestinians will benefit Israel. We can not let that stop us from supporting Palestinians.

actually it's even more hurt to hear that some our Palestinian brethren are threated as 3rd class citizens by their muslim brethren in some countries....

[sacred_rose]

i agree woodrow couldnt of said it better myself

jazak allahu khairan

[Woodrow]

Salaam Zulkiflim,

I will try to answer some of your questions from your previous thread.

Salaam,

Once thin you need to undrstand that the thread is started is about one item but the boycott is for ALL isrealis goods,tangible or intangible.

As for boycotting the dates will helping Israel?
Can you pls explain?

One thing it will do is increase the number of unemployed Palestinians. Produce more competition for jobs and allow the Israeli employers to find more Palestinians who will have to work for less. Each Israeli business that goes under results in more available Palestinian labor at lower wages.

Let us make a scenario.
Right now the Isrealis control Palesitne land and pay chep labour to force Palestinain to work.

These good are then sent thru out the world,under the name Isrealis goods.
May i ask who garner the greatest economic value from this?

The Palesitnian?
Or the Isrealis?

The less jobs there are for Palestinians, the lower the wages become and the more the Israelis benefit. Keep in mind there is no real Palestinian industries. The Palestinians rely on Israeli jobs.

The Isrealis will get better trade deals,a huge demand for Isrelis Palestinina made product ,and they get moce economic aid to suppress and continue the oppresion.

Why will the Isrealis stop the oppresion and genocide in Palestine as long as they make money from it?

True, and the less jobs there are for Palestinians the lower their salaries will be and the more oppressed they will become.

You say you want to save the lone Palesitina whom are working for the Isrealis out of force,,but are you saving their future generation or rahter enabling the Isrelais to further extend their mantra of oppresion?

It is a 2 way street. Palestinians need to be enabled to build up their own economy and be self sufficient, but until that day comes, they are dependent on Israeli business for survival. Perhaps a better quetion is why doesn't Jordan allow the Palestinians to cross the river into Jordan and work, instead of letting them depend on Israeli employers.

The Isrealis will say via economic factor,Here we export dates to muslim and non muslim coutnries for Muslims,,,,they are clearly labelled made in israel...and these muslim support Israel good...
So why are people complaining about the oppresion of Palesitne people?
Dont they want their goods? Dont they want our porducts made cheap thru palestine??

One reason is because oppressed people never become viable consumer. Commerce is in to directions. Producer and consumer, for it to work and for all to succeed the producers have to develop the resources to be able to also be consumers. Oppressed People can never become significant consumers. There is also the morality issue of it just isn't nice to oppress people.

[Mr. Baldy]

salaam,


Leader are human being ,,they will do what they will do..
But as individuals do we place our sin and deed on our leaders?
Do we blame other for our actiona nd faults?


Our leaders do as they see fit,they shall asnwer for it.

Inshallah..We should also do as we see fit and we will also be answerable..

I fear the Question when we are dead,,and we live again.

Do you follow other and acts as other does.
Astarfillah,if that were the cae Islam would never have been for the whn the Quraish asked the Prophet to stop his preaching and in return they will give him wealth and staus above all of them...he would have done it..

Astarfillah...

Is t so hard to not buy something?
Is it so hard to spend more for items that come from Islamic coutnries...
Is it so ahrd to research about item made in Israel,and what iten consist of item.. made in Israel?

Is it so hard...

wa salam..

brother, its an admirable sentiment, but thats all it is, really it wont achieve anything, you have to look at the wider scope. so what if you stop israel, is that going to solve the ummahs problems? no it isnt, the facts are seen plainly.

[Woodrow]

wa salam..

brother, its an admirable sentiment, but thats all it is, really it wont achieve anything, you have to look at the wider scope. so what if you stop israel, is that going to solve the ummahs problems? no it isnt, the facts are seen plainly.

Agreed, and we can unite the Ummah through positive means and help bring about permanent peaceful changes. We can listen to the Palestinians themselves and see what they want from the Ummah and what they know will work and actually help them. They are the experts, they live it daily and know first hand what "help" actually makes conditions worse and what will help them become self sufficient. This what they want, do we not see it because it is too easy sounding?

Let us listen to the Palestinians:

International participation is important for a number of reasons:

1.Protection: An international presence at Palestinian civilian actions can ensure a degree of protection for Palestinians engaged in nonviolent resistance.

2.Message to the mainstream media: The Palestinian struggle is not accurately reported by the mainstream corporate media. The mainstream media portrays Israelis and Palestinians as two equal sides who can’t live together fighting over a piece of land, instead of an Israeli military occupation and a Palestinian struggle for freedom, self-determination and human rights. People from all over the world that join us can reach out to their respective media and help dispel this notion.

3.Personal witness and transmitting information: International civilians joining Palestinians can bear witness and return home to talk to their communities about what is happening.

4. Break isolation and provide hope: The occupation isolates Palestinians and cuts them off from the rest of the world and from each other. International ciivilians coming in, despite restrictions, send a message to the Palestinian community - "we see, we hear and we are with you." Hope that people acting together can change things is a cornerstone of our philosophy and message.

Source: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/about-ism/

The Palestinians need support not boycots against Israel. We need to look at what will benefit Palestinians, not think in terms of seeking to harm Israel. Until Palestine becomes independent we can not harm Israel without harming Palestinians.

[Sherrif]

The Palestinians need support not boycots against Israel. We need to look at what will benefit Palestinians, not think in terms of seeking to harm Israel. Until Palestine becomes independent we can not harm Israel without harming Palestinians.

Maybe it is better to exert our energy for more positive initiatives, such as making Palestinian case more widely known in the influential countries. This should be achieved in such a manner that no one should find the chance to accuse of being such and such. The Palestine cause should be dealt with on a pure humane base, free from the politics of opportunism.

[Woodrow]

Maybe it is better to exert our energy for more positive initiatives, such as making Palestinian case more widely known in the influential countries. This should be achieved in such a manner that no one should find the chance to accuse of being such and such. The Palestine cause should be dealt with on a pure humane base, free from the politics of opportunism.

Palsolidarity is doing just that. I am very impressed with them and recommend anyone with any interest in Palestine to check them out.

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/about-ism/

[therebbe]

maybe companies that employed Palestinians should not label "Made in Israel" for Muslim market because Muslims are allergic with the word "Israel" thus deprived them from buying goods that will benefit the Palestinians.

Is it true many farm workers in Israel are Thais, of which some of them are Muslims?

Why should they do that?

Are you saying that Muslims are anti-jewish and refuse to by any product made by a poor jewish worker, but will support a poor palestinian worker?

Yet you expect Israel to be of the highest moral standards when the topic is cultural relations? Hypocrisy!

[Sherrif]

Yet you expect Israel to be of the highest moral standards when the topic is cultural relations? Hypocrisy!

Maybe people are being hypocrite just because they don't have enough cluster bombs to drop on civil targets... Not a single Palestinian enjoys the unquestioned military and economic aids from the USA as Israel does. Maybe that's why you are not a hypocrite.

Forget about the moral standarts... Give Palestine half the money Israel receives from the US and then you begin to boycott the products Palestine produces. Good bargain?

[therebbe]

Maybe people are being hypocrite just because they don't have enough cluster bombs to drop on civil targets... Not a single Palestinian enjoys the unquestioned military and economic aids from the USA as Israel does. Maybe that's why you are not a hypocrite.

The Palestinian enjoyed the unquestioned military and economic aid from the Soviet Union during all of Israel's wars.

Just because Israel's superpower ally is still around, you should not fault them.

[north_malaysian]

Why should they do that?

Are you saying that Muslims are anti-jewish and refuse to by any product made by a poor jewish worker, but will support a poor palestinian worker?

Yet you expect Israel to be of the highest moral standards when the topic is cultural relations? Hypocrisy!

I dont know about other Muslim nattions, but in my country, culturally we are anti-semitic. I would never sell anything with the word "made in Israel" in my nation - I might be disowned by my people and furthermore paying fines for selling Israeli goods in Malaysia...

[Mr. Baldy]

The Palestinian enjoyed the unquestioned military and economic aid from the Soviet Union during all of Israel's wars.

Just because Israel's superpower ally is still around, you should not fault them.

hmm... they atack civillians, shoot children on the school run indiscriminatley, the US and israel refuse to deal with hamas even though it was a democratically elected government, the US uses israel as its proxy to create wars in the region (lebanon), the US usurps muslim resources, the US does not want muslims in the region and across the world to decide there own political destiny... but hmm, no lets not fault them, that would just be silly wouldnt it?

[aamirsaab]

:sl:
If this boycott is to reduce the US' and/or Israeli's monetary funding, it won't work. US is already in debt of substantial amounts and it hasn't stopped them from using absurd amounts of money. Both countries can just take out loans (which would put the respective country in debt) yet still their economy could strive (strange huh? no, just not right) cus business is booming and people are buying.

P.s; boycott dates?!

[Curaezipirid]

I saw the thread and my mind associated that: "what! are the Israelis trying to falisfy when the crescent moon was first seen?".

But would you put it past them?

[Zulkiflim]

wa salam..

brother, its an admirable sentiment, but thats all it is, really it wont achieve anything, you have to look at the wider scope. so what if you stop israel, is that going to solve the ummahs problems? no it isnt, the facts are seen plainly.

Salaam,

Somtime when you look too big you do not see the small things.
i ask you as a man as an individual,,what can you do that will affect the chage in the Ummah as a whole?

Nothing..

we are called the Ummah to be a collective...an individual action,one by one if goes in the same flow Inshallah will casue a tornado.

But what do you see here now?

Even to boycott to spend a bit more to not support Israel....it is so hard to do..

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam Zulkiflim,

I will try to answer some of your questions from your previous thread.




One thing it will do is increase the number of unemployed Palestinians. Produce more competition for jobs and allow the Israeli employers to find more Palestinians who will have to work for less. Each Israeli business that goes under results in more available Palestinian labor at lower wages.






The less jobs there are for Palestinians, the lower the wages become and the more the Israelis benefit. Keep in mind there is no real Palestinian industries. The Palestinians rely on Israeli jobs.




True, and the less jobs there are for Palestinians the lower their salaries will be and the more oppressed they will become.




It is a 2 way street. Palestinians need to be enabled to build up their own economy and be self sufficient, but until that day comes, they are dependent on Israeli business for survival. Perhaps a better quetion is why doesn't Jordan allow the Palestinians to cross the river into Jordan and work, instead of letting them depend on Israeli employers.



One reason is because oppressed people never become viable consumer. Commerce is in to directions. Producer and consumer, for it to work and for all to succeed the producers have to develop the resources to be able to also be consumers. Oppressed People can never become significant consumers. There is also the morality issue of it just isn't nice to oppress people.

Salaam,

Again my question is simple...

Tell me,when you buy Isrealis goods,empower the Palestinians,increase the trade between Israelis and the world.

What does it do to the Palestinians?

As you know,inshallah,the land the Isrealis control are Palesitnians.
The workers and Paletinain,on an ILLEGAL settlement.

You yourself recognize that the Palesitnain are paid nuts for the tedious jobs.

But what is stop the Isrealis from penalising or forcing the Palestinian from cutting the pay TO INCREASE PROFIT?

What is to stop the Isrelais from massacaring more Palestinian tro get more land for more products?
What is to stop the Isrealis from further debilitating the Palesitnain economy,so that they cna further reduce the pay of the average palestinians?


Like i said in the question,the Isrelais economic minister ask you,,why do you want to palesitnian state?
Dont you know the good you buy and wear are made cheap using palesitnian labour and palestinian land?If they have their own state would you support them?

For an economist,it just mean that Israel has strong support..

I understand you want to talk about the Palestinian whom are working now under Isrealis rule for peanuts...May i ask,,how long will you want to perpetuate it?

[Zulkiflim]

Agreed, and we can unite the Ummah through positive means and help bring about permanent peaceful changes. We can listen to the Palestinians themselves and see what they want from the Ummah and what they know will work and actually help them. They are the experts, they live it daily and know first hand what "help" actually makes conditions worse and what will help them become self sufficient. This what they want, do we not see it because it is too easy sounding?

Let us listen to the Palestinians:



Source: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/about-ism/

The Palestinians need support not boycots against Israel. We need to look at what will benefit Palestinians, not think in terms of seeking to harm Israel. Until Palestine becomes independent we can not harm Israel without harming Palestinians.

Salaam,

that is a great website,,but pls after reading this..

How many more years do you wnat to perpetuate Isrealis dominion over Palestine?

How long do you want the People of a land to be its TENANTS?To be evicted any time by outsiders?

[PIE]Olive Harvest 2005

Join Us in Palestine for the 2005 Olive Harvest Campaign!


Palestinian farmers and agricultural organizations, in coordination with the International Solidarity Movement and the International Women’s Peace Service, announce the 2005 Olive Harvest Campaign. The campaign will take place between October 15 and November 15.

While the world is blinded by the smokescreen of Israel’s “Gaza disengagement” plan, the Israeli government continues to seize Palestinian land throughout the West Bank to expand settlements and build its illegal Annexation Barrier.

As this goes on, Palestinian communities continue to resist Israel’s attempts to cement its control of the West Bank and imprison Palestinians behind walls and fences.

The Olive Harvest is an annual affirmation of Palestinians’ historical, spiritual and economic connection to their land, and a rejection of Israeli efforts to seize it. Palestinians are the indigenous people of this land who have farmed olives here for thousands of years. The annual harvest is a symbol of life for Palestinian communities.

Agricultural productivity over the last five years has decreased dramatically because of closures and sieges which prohibit access to farms and markets. Israel’s barrier and increased attacks on farmers and their families in the fields have further diminished Palestinians’ ability to earn a living. Over half a million olive and fruit trees have been destroyed since September 2000. Palestinian agriculture is being destroyed by the policies of the Israeli government and the rights of Palestinians to their land and to a livelihood are being denied.

International and Israeli volunteers join Palestinians each year to harvest olives, in spite of efforts by Israeli settlers, soldiers and bulldozers to destroy this vital piece of Palestinian life. Because much of the world falsely believes that “a peace process” is under way with Israel’s “Gaza disengagement” plan, Palestinians need your support, solidarity and eyewitness testimonies about the reality of life under a military occupation.

How It Works
The Olive Harvest Campaign provides a wonderful opportunity to spend time with Palestinian families in their olive groves and homes.

The presence of internationals during harvest time has proven in the past to help limit and decrease the severity of attacks. After a two-day training session, volunteers for the Olive Harvest Campaign will stay in Palestinian homes in West Bank communities and accompany Palestinian families to their olive groves to serve as witnesses to document and expose attacks by settlers — supported by the Israeli Army — on farmers and their families.

In addition to olive harvest, volunteers will have the opportunity to join Palestinians in nonviolent protests throughout the West Bank against the construction of the Annexation Barrier, settlements and settlement roads.

This 2005 Olive Harvest Campaign is part of the ongoing work of the International Solidarity Movement, a Palestinian-led movement comprising of Palestinian, Israeli and international activists working to raise awareness about the struggle for Palestinian freedom and an end to The Occupation. ISM uses nonviolent, direct-action methods of resistance to confront and challenge the Israeli persecution of Palestinians.

With your help and participation, we will expose the injustice of the Israeli occupation and send a message to the world that The Occupation must end and the Wall must fall!

For more information on preparation, travel and arrival in Palestine, please see the ISM Palestine website, www.palsolidarity.org/main/past- campaigns/oh2005/travel/. ISM support groups located around the world can help answer your questions about the movement and Olive Harvest Campaign. Many will provide training sessions. For information on how to contact local ISM support groups worldwide, please also see the ISM website.[/PIE]


After ou read that,again i ask,,how many more times do the Palesitnian have to be escortted by "INTERNATIONALS" on their own land?

And how well do the "Internationals" able to protect the Palesitnians?


How many more times do Palestinians have to hide and cower and beg for work ON THEIR OWN LAND?

How many more year do the Palesitnians have to live the life they are doing now?

Will you still buy Isrealis product..If you still do after this,then all i cna say is that such ISM will alwsy be there,,with a difference,,soon it will just one grove...

[therebbe]

What is to stop the Isrelais from massacaring more Palestinian tro get more land for more products?

What is to stop a Palestinian from going on a bus, and clicking a button that would end up killing a few babies and mothers. If the bomber never exists... the wall never exists... and the retaliation where more innocents die, does not exist.

Israel is not dependant on any Palestinian merchandise. It is the Palestinians who are 93% dependant on Israel's economy to survive.

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,


Read this ...Very sad story..

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/20...jordan-valley/


A quote form there..

[PIE]“There is big competition among the Palestinian workers in the Jericho area, in every sphere, in agriculture and industry,” says K., a 37-year-old Palestinian who used to work in dates and now has his own business. “They want to curry favor with the Israeli employer so he will let them keep working, and maybe make them permanent workers.[/PIE]

[PIE]S.: “The Jewish employer doesn’t even have to deal with us. He doesn’t shout and he doesn’t argue, he has no contact with us - he leaves the dirty work to the Palestinian contractor. During this time he can sit in his air-conditioned office. He knows that the Palestinian is doing the dirty work for him.”[/PIE]

[PIE] In 2004, according to the site, the valley’s agricultural produce was worth 73 million euros. A significant portion of that came from the date industry.[/PIE]

Can anyone tell me if any of that 73 million euros get to the Palestinians.??
Astarfillah,so go and buy these dates,so that the Isrealis can get a bigger profir,steal more land,,and still pay peanuts to the Palestinians.

If this continue,we will see Palestinian killing on another to work to please the Isrealis..just to survive..

If this continue,,,if this continue..

[Woodrow]

wa Alaikum Salaamu,

I can see your views and if I thought they were workable I would be in complete areement with them. The problem is they are not workable as long as Palestine has no trading partners besides Israel and the US, 94.3% of all Palistinian production is bought by Israelis and resold as "Produced in Israel" although the production may only consist of sorting and packaging.


Salaam,

Again my question is simple...

Tell me,when you buy Isrealis goods,empower the Palestinians,increase the trade between Israelis and the world.

Many products that come from Israel are Palestinian goods or produced through Palestinian Labor. It is often Palestinian good we are talking about when boycotting Israeli goods. Many if not most Israeli production plants are not located in Israel.


What does it do to the Palestinians?

It gives them at least a meager salary to maintain life until the West Bank can be made a viable market place.

As you know,inshallah,the land the Isrealis control are Palesitnians.
The workers and Paletinain,on an ILLEGAL settlement.

True, however the first goal needs to be to assure the safety and health of the Palestinians before we can work on social and legal issues.

You yourself recognize that the Palesitnain are paid nuts for the tedious jobs.

I will agree with that.

But what is stop the Isrealis from penalising or forcing the Palestinian from cutting the pay TO INCREASE PROFIT?

The Palestinians, with our help developing the West Bank into being viable competion for Israel. If Palestinians had jobs in the West Bank in Palestinian owned businesses, they would not need to rely on Israeli jobs and Israelis would need to pay premium wages to get workers.

What is to stop the Isrelais from massacaring more Palestinian tro get more land for more products?
What is to stop the Isrealis from further debilitating the Palesitnain economy,so that they cna further reduce the pay of the average palestinians?

International witnesses from individual sources. That is why it is so important for those of us who support Palestine, to join organizations like Palsolidarity. (I have posted links in several posts in this thread) Not only is Palsolidarity taking active roles in Palistines the organization is active throughout Europe and the USA and is boycotting genuine Israeli goods, not goods produced in Israel

Like i said in the question,the Isrelais economic minister ask you,,why do you want to palesitnian state?
Dont you know the good you buy and wear are made cheap using palesitnian labour and palestinian land?If they have their own state would you support them?

What are we doing to support the Palestinians in becoming self sufficient?

For an economist,it just mean that Israel has strong support..

And also much of Israel's economy is not based in Israel. Look at Israel as being the sacrificial lamb to prevent Isreals true Economic strength from being harmed. Boycott an Israeli produced product and you hurt a Palestinian, not an Israeli.

I understand you want to talk about the Palestinian whom are working now under Isrealis rule for peanuts...May i ask,,how long will you want to perpetuate it?

I want it to end yesterday if not sooner. Which is why I support Palsolidarity.

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

[PIE]Tulkarem Farmers in Boycott of Israeli goods
September 19th, 2006 | Posted in International Actions, Tulkarem Region, Boycott & sanctions

Palestinian traders and farmers will gather in the Tulkarem Refugee Camp on September 20th for a Palestinian goods market, boycotting Israeli products as a statement of resistance against Israel’s ongoing occupation, The Grassroots Palestinian Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign said.

The Campaign said that The Tulkarem trade fair will gather over a hundred businesses and farmers, many of them from Tulkarem Camp itself, as part of a growing movement to boycott Israeli goods and promote Palestinian produce.

“Seizure and destruction of land and property has made life almost impossible for many Palestinian farmers, and restrictions on movement have devastated trade,” it said.

The Trade Fair will run from September 20-23, from 9.00 - 4.00 every day in The Hall of the Martyr Kamal Saleem, Main Street, Tulkarem Refugee Camp.

The Trade Fair is organised by the Tulkarem Refugee Camp organising committee with the support of the Grassroots Palestinian Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign.

During the first intifada Palestinians created ‘victory gardens’, mostly famously in Beit Sahour, in an effort to feed themselves without relying on Israeli goods.

Meanwhile, in the latest international boycott action, shops and supermarkets across Ireland were picketed last Saturday by the Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign (IPSC) to mark the anniversary of the Sabra and Shatila massacres. Shops were targetted by pickets which handed out leaflets as well as by trolley actions, which involved activists filling up trolleys with Israeli products and taking them to the checkout to vociferously demand that these products no longer be sold. Actions took place in Dublin, Belfast, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Sligo. Especially targetted was the Irish-owned supermarket chain Dunnes Stores as this was where workers first refused to handle goods from Apartheid South Africa in 1984.

These actions coincided with a call in a letter to the Irish times signed by 61 Irish academics for a moratorium on EU support for Israeli academic institutions until Israel abides by UN resolutions and ends the occupation of Palestinian territories.[/PIE]


Here are kafirs boycotting and taking a stand while some Muslims try to ratinalize to support Israel..

I

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/20...karem-boycott/

[PIE]The Campaign said that The Tulkarem trade fair will gather over a hundred businesses and farmers, many of them from Tulkarem Camp itself, as part of a growing movement to boycott Israeli goods and promote Palestinian produce.[/PIE]


And ofcourse,the palesitnian products will cost more,,,,but is it worth it to pay for them?
Or do you want it to come cheap AT THE EXPENSE OF PALESTINIAN,,,

[PIE]Ynet: “Toronto church to boycott Israeli goods”
June 29th, 2006 | Posted in Press clippings, Boycott & sanctions

Toronto Star reports United Church of Canada’s Toronto branch to unveil boycott of Israeli products, companies doing business with its military to end what it calls ‘illegal occupation of Palestinian lands’; plan calls on Ottawa to require that products originating in the occupied territories be labeled differently from those coming from the rest of Israel. Ynetnews

from Yedioth Ahronoth, 29th June 2006

The United Church of Canada’s Toronto branch was set to unveil Wednesday a boycott of Israeli products and companies doing business with its military to end what it calls the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, the Toronto Star reported.

The move comes on the heels of a similar controversial move by the Ontario wing of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, which last month voted to support an international boycott campaign against Israel to protest its treatment of Palestinian refugees.

“We want to commend that position,” Frances Combs, co-chair of the Toronto Conference of the United Church of Canada’s task force on Israel was quoted by the Toronto Star as saying.

According to the report, the boycott is being undertaken only by the 300-church Toronto conference of the United Church, not the church as a whole.[/PIE]

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/20...israeli-goods/

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign boycott page..

http://www.bigcampaign.org/

[PIE]Who Are We

The Palestine Solidarity Campaign launched the Boycott Israeli Goods Campaign in the House of Commons on the 4th July 2001. There had been calls for a boycott from within Israel itself as well as in the Occupied Territories.

Our decision to launch the BIG Campaign followed decades of Israel 's refusal to abide by UN Resolutions, International Humanitarian law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

On 9th June 2005, after the International Court of Justice's ruling against Israel's apartheid wall, a coalition of Palestinian Civil Society Organisations issued a ‘Call for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against apartheid Israel until it complies with International Law'.

Boycott Israeli goods intends to campaign for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions in line with this call from Palestinian civil society.

We will organise supporters to
Boycott Israeli goods and services
Boycott Israeli cultural and sporting institutions who do not condemn Israel's ilegal occupation
Boycott Israeli academic institutions and academics who do not condemn Israel's ilegal occupation
Promote a campaign against tourism in apartheid Israel
Promote divestment from companies who invest in apartheid Israel or profit from Israel's occupation and apartheid policies
To camapign against companies who invest in apartheid Israel or profit from Israel's occupation and apartheid policies
To persuade businesses to stop trading with apartheid Israel
To campaign for an end to European Union and British government trade agreements with Israel
To campaign for UK and EU sanctions against apartheid Israel until it complies with international humanitarian law
To promote initiatives to decrease the isolation of the occupied Palestinian people and promote ethical, fairly traded Palestinian goods.[/PIE]

[therebbe]

If you think that Israeli companies are so naive to depend on Arab support for there products, then I think you should re-evaluate your logic.

[Woodrow]

I am in favor of specific Boycotts promoted by Palsolidarity. I am against wild cat boycots that have not checked into the back ground of what good or harm will be done by the boycot.

[Abdulwaheed]

Thats is the smart and rational way of going about it. Boycotting is a good idea if it accomplishes its intended purpose of economically hurting Israel.
If its the palestinian date farmers that are suffering, there really isnt a point in going along with the boycott is there?
Like woodrow said. As long as a background check is done and no harm comes to the palestinians, then by all means the boycott should go ahead.

[Mr. Baldy]

Salaam,

Somtime when you look too big you do not see the small things.
i ask you as a man as an individual,,what can you do that will affect the chage in the Ummah as a whole?

Nothing..

we are called the Ummah to be a collective...an individual action,one by one if goes in the same flow Inshallah will casue a tornado.

But what do you see here now?

Even to boycott to spend a bit more to not support Israel....it is so hard to do..

brother, i do not agree with you, but i will make duah that your campaign will reach succes... inshallah

[Mr. Baldy]

If you think that Israeli companies are so naive to depend on Arab support for there products, then I think you should re-evaluate your logic.

hmm, well it seems that the west is wholly dependent on muslim oil, infact a percentage of the US economy is owned by the saudis... and where does israel get its support from? oh thats right the USA.

maybe you are just arrogant to think that the israelis can actually stand on there own feet.

[Woodrow]

I semi disagree with this statement:

hmm, well it seems that the west is wholly dependent on muslim oil, infact a percentage of the US economy is owned by the saudis... and where does israel get its support from? oh thats right the USA.

Not wholly dependent. Just use it as the luxury of not needing to render western land useless for agriculture and ecological stability. Of course the hand writing is all the wall. For the America's it is evident that we can no longer enjoy pristine scenic beauty if we are to maintain our love of petroleum products. It is obvious that very rapidly we need to tap into the oil in Colorado and Northern Canada.

Mid-Eastern Oil has been and is a double edged sword. Both the west and the mid east are being cut by opposite sides of the same sword. The west needed it to support it's machinery while protecting it's environment. The Mid-eastern economy is dependent on selling it to westerners as it has become the primary source of income for them. The Mideast depends on the west as much as the west has depended on the mideast. Right now, it is being noticed that mid eastern oil was not as cheap as was believed. I doubt if there will be very much more western production of Mideastern Oil reserves. The cost of drilling and shipping is no longer cost effective. For the past few weeks the American oil companies have been depending on American produced petroleum and we are now seeing that gasoline has dropped nearly a dollar a gallon around the country. I suspect the American public is going to want the oil companies to maintain these lower prices and it can not be done with imported oil.