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sisters of T_M
06-16-2005, 02:09 AM
:sl:

this is to brother farhan 247.

i completely do not understand for you to close the thread about visiting mazars.
it was unnecessary and irrelevant. i was clearly clearing the confusion of brother ahmed 687. now not everyone can express there views on that issue because of you brother and i cannot reply on what you have given on your link.

so what was the point?

i do not understand why and why?

i would like of you to re open the thread of visiting mazars.

jazakallah khair

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Ansar Al-'Adl
06-16-2005, 03:27 AM
:sl:
I reviwed the referred thread, and I agree with the Super Moderator's decision to close the thread.

The topic was supposed to be on Mazars but it changed completely to sufism. Besides, you had the last word in the topic anyway.

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sisters of T_M
06-16-2005, 03:40 AM
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that is not the point as i wanted to know if brother ahmed 687 understood me or not.
also others could have been misunderstood on what i was saying.

i completely felt that was irrelevant for him to come out of nowhere and close the thread. that is simply taking advantage because he is a moderator.

i ask for a moderator or administrator to kindly open this thread.

jazakallah khair

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Ra`eesah
06-16-2005, 04:02 AM
Assalamu'Alaykum

Im replying to your thread since Allaah:arabic2: has made the prohibition of evil and the enjoining of good obligatory upon this Ummah, I am undertaking my duty to the best of my capability to enjoin good and forbid evil...

Subhanallah there is no need to make such a scene this thread is in no way general since u have made it so specific. Sister couldn’t u have just contacted Brother Farhan directly instead of causing such a scene and accusing ppl of exploiting power, Sister i understand you are angry however fear Allah and say A’ootho Billah minal shaytaanel Rajeem.




Forgive me if i have offended you. Allaah:arabic2: knows my intention..
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sisters of T_M
06-16-2005, 04:23 AM
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sorry sister but i did see as it was making a scene. was it? either way i rather contact a non mahram openly then privately as it will be a sin of the hands of you understand what i am saying. i was not expressing my anger but only saying what i needed to, to get my point of view across.

sorry sister if i have upsetted you or anyone else due to this but i assure you i am not normally like this. most importantly may Allah [swt] forgive me if i have said anything wrong.

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Ra`eesah
06-16-2005, 04:32 AM
Assalamu”Alaykum

My beloved sister, you havent upset me Subhnallah I didnt understand why you had 2 threads open regarding same the topic...I was just more embarrassed that you addressed brother Farhan in such a manner publicly. We as Muslims and believers of Allah :arabic2: must be very careful with our words for fear in not hurting the heart of a believer....Thats why my heart could not allow me to trun away with out saying something to remind myself and you.

Jazkallah Khair for understand

May Allah forgive us all.

Aameen. :wilted_ro
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sisters of T_M
06-16-2005, 04:51 AM
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i totally agree with you sister but i did not realise i had sounded harsh from an outside point of view. brother farhan too was very harsh to me, it seemed that way to me. i said it open because i do not want to get into that situation communicating with a non mahram privately as shaytaan may tempt us both from different angles. i did not mean to be harsh with anyone and i have alhamdulillah realised my mistake and have apologised.

but may Allah [swt] forgive us all.

i am asking different questions in these complaints sister that is why i have opened two threads because it goes out to two different people.

jazakallah khairoon for pointing out my mistake and i advise anyone to do so at any time.

as the companions [ra] used to ask everyone to point out their mistakes only to correct themselves to seek pleasure of Allah [swt].

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Ibn Abi Ahmed
06-16-2005, 04:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sisters of T_M
:sl:

this is to brother farhan 247.

i completely do not understand for you to close the thread about visiting mazars.
it was unnecessary and irrelevant. i was clearly clearing the confusion of brother ahmed 687. now not everyone can express there views on that issue because of you brother and i cannot reply on what you have given on your link.

so what was the point?

i do not understand why and why?

i would like of you to re open the thread of visiting mazars.

jazakallah khair

:w:
:sl:

Im actually quite thankful that it was closed as you never answered my questions about the mazars and turned ur "tareeqah" I proved my poin Alhamdullilah.
And I wasnt really confused as you thought i was.

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minaz
06-16-2005, 04:52 PM
I like this thread :p
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sheikh nazim
06-16-2005, 05:29 PM
RATHER THAN STARTING ANOTHER THREAD I THOUGHT I WOULD DO IT HEAR BECAUSE IT IS SIMILAR. THIS IS FOR ANSAR AL HAQ

:sl: assalamualicum brother you said on the secterian article that one of your question still remains unanswered, well if you thik back a little when you and i had the disscucion about tasaawuff you will clearly remember that i answered your question "why call your selves sufis?" remember that i gave you the example of the word 'gay' and what it meant before and what it means know, do you remember?
brother if i have already given you an answer and satisfyed it, then why do you persist in the ignorance?
please let me know if would like furthur explanation, as i will try my best to fullfil the needs of my brothers and im sure you will as well becasue this is part of the AMAR - BIL - MARUF, WA'AHYANIL MUNKAR (enjoying good and forbiding the evil)
and another thing when you post such articles and then expect people to answer your questions, how can they do it if you stop their ability to do so because you being the mod. :zip:
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Umm_Qaylah
06-16-2005, 05:31 PM
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh,

It would be much appreciated if this matter was handled in PM.

Jezaakuma-Allaahu Khayren.

Wa'Alaykum As-Salaam Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh.
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Far7an
06-16-2005, 06:18 PM
Assalamu 'alaikum

this is to brother farhan 247.
Ok, I apologise for the late reply.

i completely do not understand for you to close the thread about visiting mazars.

so what was the point?

i do not understand why and why?
Akhee Ansar Al-'Adl explained already....
The topic was supposed to be on Mazars but it changed completely to sufism. Besides, you had the last word in the topic anyway.
Your next point...

that is not the point as i wanted to know if brother ahmed 687 understood me or not.
also others could have been misunderstood on what i was saying.
If anyone wishes to learn about your tareeqa, I am sure they have seen your site which you have included in your signatures and almost every post.

brother farhan too was very harsh to me, it seemed that way to me.
I apologise if it seemed this way, but this was not my intention. forgive me InshaAllah.
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minaz
06-16-2005, 07:16 PM
What's a "sufis"? :confused:
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sheikh nazim
06-16-2005, 07:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by minaz
What's a "sufis"? :confused:
:sl: please read this:
Hadrat Ali is acclaimed as the father of Sufism. Most Sufi orders claim their descent from Hadrat Ali. According to Hadrat Ali Hajweri, the rank of Hadrat Ali is very high in the lineage of Sufis. According to Hadrat Junaid of Baghdad, Hadrat Ali is the Shaikh as regards to the principles and practices of Sufism.

The holy Prophet and Sufism

The roots of Sufism lie embedded in Islam itself. There are numerous passages in the Holy Qur'an which are of a mystical character. The holy Prophet of Islam p.b.u.h. himself displayed mystical inclinations and he very often retired to the cave known as Hirah for the purpose of devotions, meditation and contemplation. The holy Prophet was the recipient of two types of revelations, one embodied the Holy Qur'an, and the other illuminated his heart. The former was meant for all, the latter for those selected few whose hearts could be illuminated with the Divine Light. The knowledge of the holy Prophet was thus both book knowledge (Ilm-i-Safina) and heart knowledge (Ilm-e-Sina). Hadrat Ali received his heart knowledge from the holy Prophet. It is related that after the Ascension, the holy Prophet awarded a mantle to Hadrat Ali which led to the illumination of his heart.

Gnosis of God

According to Hadrat Ali the base of religion is the gnosis of God. He held: "The height of gnosis is His confirmation. The height of confirmation is tawhid. The height of tawhid is the acknowledgement of the supremacy of God in all matters. He is beyond all attributes. No particular attribute can give an idea of His exact nature. He is not bound by anything; all things are bound by Him. He is Infinite, limitless, boundless, beyond time, beyond space, beyond imagination. Time does not affect Him. He existed when there was nothing. He will exist forever. His existence is not subject to the law of birth or death. He is manifest in everything, yet He is distinct from everything. He is not the cause of anything, yet everything is because of Him. He is unique and He has no partner. He is the Creator. He creates as well as destroys. All things are subject to His command. He orders something to be and it is."

Hadrat Ali enjoined the severance of the heart from all things save God. Hadrat Ali was asked what was the purest thing that could be acquired, and he said, "It is that which belongs to a heart made rich by God." When Hadrat Ali was asked about gnosis, he said, "I know God by God, and I know that which is not by God by the light of God." When asked whether he had seen God, he said that verily he had seen God for he could not worship Him unless the knew Him.

Prayers to God

When Hadrat Ali used to pray, his hair would stand on end. He would tremble and say, "The hour has come to fulfill a trust which the heavens and the earth were unable to bear." Abu Darda an eminent Companion of the holy Prophet said, "None in this world has excelled Ali in prayer." While praying, so great was the intensity of his emotions that he would fall into a swoon. It is related that on one occasion, Abu Darda found Hadrat Ali lying rigid on the prayer mat, and touching his cold body thought that Ali had breathed his last. When he broke this news to Hadrat Fatima, she said that Hadrat Ali often became unconscious while praying. Abu Darda wept profusely, and then sprinkled some water on Hadrat Ali's face and he regained consciousness. Seeing tears in the eyes of Abu Darda, Hadrat Ali said: "Why are you crying? You shed tears when you see me in this state. Imagine what will happen to me when the Angels dragged me into the presence of God, and I am forced to render an account of my deeds. They will blind me with fetters of iron, and present me before God, and those of my friends who will happen to be witnesses will be powerless to help me. They will lament my unhappy plight, but none save God will be able to help me on that day."

Communion with God

Very often, Hadrat Ali would sob all night in his prayers to God, and God would reward him with a glimpse of Inner Vision. According to Hadrat Ali, the highest purpose of knowledge is the awakening of latent spiritual faculties whereby one is enabled to discover his true and inner self. It is to this inner self that God reveals Himself when the self disappears in the vision of the "All Absorbing Reality." Hadrat Ali often observed that man could have the joy and wonder of communion with God if one abandoned pride, disciplined the flash, overcame lust and submitted to the Will of God. He exhorted people in his various sermons to not indulge in gross licentiousness which had characterized Arab society in the "Days of Ignorance." But should instead live in piety and simplicity as enjoined by Islam. Hadrat Ali said, "Man is a wave in the boundless Sea of God. As long as man's vision is clouded by ignorance and sensuality he will consider himself to be a separate entity, different from God. But when the veil between him and God is lifted, he will then know what he really is. The wave will then merge with the ocean." Hadrat Ali held that enlightenment is needed so that one can first get to know himself. Only then would he get to know God. Hadrat Ali held that to this end religious exercises must be practised. The Sufism for which Hadrat Ali stood, derived its strength from the Shari'ah. Hadrat Ali preached that any form of knowledge which failed to show the Infinite Reality in man was useless, because it could not fill that vacuum in which the aching soul in every individual was so pathetically conscious. Hadrat Ali wanted men to be virtuous as virtues purify the soul, and it is only the purified soul that can be the recipient of spiritual enlightenment. This is the doctrine of Inner Light which was the enunciated by Hadrat Ali as the core of Sufi thought. Accordingly, Hadrat Ali is acknowledged as the "father of Sufism" and the prince of saints.

Doctrine of preference

Hadrat Ali also enunciated the doctrine of preference. He stood for and preferred the claims of others to his own claims. He gave an outstanding demonstration of this doctrine when he slept on the bed of the holy Prophet on the night of the holy Prophet's migration from Mecca, when the infidels were seeking to slay him. Hadrat Ali risked his life for the sake of the holy Prophet, because of the preference that Hadrat Ali gave to the life of the holy Prophet as compared with his own life. After the death of the holy Prophet, Hadrat Ali considered that he was the most deserving person to be elected as the Caliph. Yet, when his claims were overlooked and other persons were elected as Caliphs, he offered them and allegiance in pursuance of the doctrine of preference. It was this spirit of preference that motivated Hadrat Ali to plunge in the thick of battle to meet the challenge of the enemy regardless of his own personal safety. It is related that after the Ascension, when the holy Prophet gave Hadrat Ali a mantle, he asked him how he would use the mantle. Hadrat Ali said that he would use it to cover the faults of others. The true Sufi way lies in covering the faults of others.

Fasting

According to Hadrat Ali, fasting was not a mere formality or a ritual; it was an exercise for the purification of the soul. Because of his constant fasting, Hadrat Ali earned the epithets of "Qa'im-ul-Lait" (praying most of the night without sleep); and "Sa'im-ul-Nahar" (fasting mostly during the day). Hadrat Ali held that hunger sharpens the intelligence and improves both the mind and health. Hunger involves some affliction for the body, but it illumines the heart, purifies the soul, and leads the spirit to the presence of God. One who cultivates a his spiritual nature by means of hunger in order to devote himself entirely to God and detach himself from worldly ties, is at a much higher level than the person who cultivates his body by means of gluttony and lust. Hadrat Ali acted on the advice of the holy Prophet, "Fast so that perchance your hearts may seek God in this world." And indeed, because of his fasting and other spiritual exercises, Hadrat Ali did see God in this world. The holy Prophet had enjoined, "When you fast, let your ear, your eye, your tongue, your hand, and your every limb fast." Hadrat Ali followed this advice to the letter as well in spirit. Through the discipline of fasting, Hadrat Ali was able to subordinate the physical senses to spiritual requirements in such a way that they could respond only to what was pure and became dead to what was impure. Hadrat Ali thus led a purified life.

Zakat

Hadrat Ali held: "Of the most meritorious acts of a believer, and one of the most acceptable things to God is Zakat. It behoves everyone to give charity, because from amongst the acts of worship, this is the most pleasing to God."

In his sermons, Hadrat Ali exhorted the people in the following terms: "O ye people, send a part of your wealth to God so that it may stand you in good stead in the next world. Do not leave your entire wealth here so that it will become a source of annoyance to you in the next world."

In the annals of Arabs, Hatim Tai enjoys fame for his munificence and generosity. Hadrat Ali outclassed Hatim in the matter of generosity.

Pilgrimage

Hadrat Ali was born in the Ka'bah. He had, therefore a strong emotional attachment for the Ka'bah. Hadrat Ali observed that the holy Ka'bah was located in a territory known for its stony wastes and wilderness and where no water was available. God had ordained the Muslims to bear the hardships involved in a journey through such an inhospitable land cheerfully so that those very privations might ultimately become a source of salvation. The pilgrimage is symbolic of the fact that whatever hardship one bears in the trials of life and endeavours to fulfill the will of God, he acquires goodness and righteousness by them. The darkest thing in the world is the beloved's house without the beloved. What is really important for a lover is the beloved and not the house of the beloved. According to Hadrat Ali the spirit of pilgrimage did not lie in a bare visit to the Ka'bah, it lay in developing the inner vision whereby one could see God, the Lord of the Ka'bah.

Jihad

Hadrat Ali held that jihad is the gateway to Paradise. He said: "God has opened this gate for His friends. It is the mantle of piety. It is the shield of faith. He who avoids it, God subjects him to disgrace."

Hadrat Ali held that jihad did not lie in merely taking up arms in the cause of God, it means incessant struggle against falsehood it all spheres of life. Jihad is the main pillar on which Islam rests.

Repentance

The first stage in the path of Sufism is repentance. Repentance is described as the awakening of the soul from the slumber of heedlessness so that the sinner becomes aware of his evil ways and feels contrition for past disobedience. Hadrat Ali repeatedly prayed for God's forgiveness. His typical prayer was: "O God, forgive me my sins of which you are more aware than me. And if I commit these sins again, even then forgive me and whatever promises I have made with myself to follow Your commands that have not been fulfilled. I seek Your forbearance. If I have sought Your proximity with my tongue, but my heart has not kept pace with my tongue, then overlook my lapse. O God, forgive me for my futile talk, vain desires and lapses of tongue."

Detachment

Hadrat Ali admonished that while living in the world, one should not renounce the world, still he should not have an undue attachment for it because detachment from the world (Zuhd) is a means of attaining God. It is related that someone begged Hadrat Ali to give him a precept. Hadrat Ali said: "Do not let your wives and children be a cause of concern for you, for if they be the friends of God, He will look after His friends, and if they are the enemies of God, why should you take care of God's enemies?"

Patience

In the mystic way, the traveller will meet many trials and tribulations. God subjects His lovers to severe testing, and only he will pass such tests who his patient. Hadrat Ali was the personification patience, and for this he acquired the epithet of "Job, the Second." In the battle of Uhud, Hadrat Ali received as many as 61 wounds on his person so that his whole body looked like one massive wound to which the nurses were unable to dress. Although Hadrat Ali was in mortal agony, he said: "May God Grant me the patience to bear this suffering. Is it not a favour of God that He gave me the courage to stand and fight, and not to leave the field?"

About the patience of Hadrat Ali, Dr. Ata Mohyuddin writes as follows in his Ali, the Superman: "Ali used to say that at no time in his life had he ever known peace and tranquillity. From the time of infancy when he was taken into the home of the holy Prophet, Ali felt the ferment of turbulence and turmoil. The holy Prophet was constantly persecuted by the Meccan pagans. And from adolescence onwards, Ali was constantly fighting in jihad, and after the death of the holy Prophet, he was embroiled against his wish, in the political intrigues of others. Even when elected Caliph, the implacable enemies of Islam arose and rebelled against him, yet he bore all these afflictions with patience, thanking God that he had acquitted himself well in the tests and trials to which the Almighty had thought fit to subject him."
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Ansar Al-'Adl
06-16-2005, 07:58 PM
:sl:
format_quote Originally Posted by sheikh nazim
:sl: assalamualicum brother you said on the secterian article that one of your question still remains unanswered,
I never said any question remains unaswered. I believe I mentioned that the "question remains" meaning that the question follows logically ion the discussion. But anyway, your point:
well if you thik back a little when you and i had the disscucion about tasaawuff you will clearly remember that i answered your question "why call your selves sufis?" remember that i gave you the example of the word 'gay' and what it meant before and what it means know, do you remember?
brother if i have already given you an answer and satisfyed it, then why do you persist in the ignorance?
I tried searching for the message but I couldn't find it. But the "gay" example is a good example because today if we're feeling happiy we shouldn't call ourselves "gay" because it has come to have a bad meaning and been associated with bad groups. Likewise, I would question calling oneself "sufi" because all you do is seperate yourself from the Muslim Ummah.

please let me know if would like furthur explanation,
yes, please.

and another thing when you post such articles and then expect people to answer your questions
I didn't expect people to answer my questions, only think about them.

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sheikh nazim
06-16-2005, 08:10 PM

I didn't expect people to answer my questions, only think about them.

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:sl: but that will only create dought in brothers and sisters who may be just starting to practice islam and live as muslims,
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Ansar Al-'Adl
06-16-2005, 08:18 PM
:sl: I don't see why it would create doubts because I clarified that not all sufis practicie such deviations.

Anyway, I looked at your site and I think it has some good information on purification and other topics. Why is it that you never post information about those topics? Why don't you share with us some of the beneficial things you have learned about coming closer to Allah?

Is it possible for us to have a discussion about that without having to argue over sufism?

i think so because the Prophet saws taught us about such things without having to mention "sufism". So please share the interesting things you've learned.

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Ibn Abi Ahmed
06-16-2005, 08:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
:sl:

I tried searching for the message but I couldn't find it. But the "gay" example is a good example because today if we're feeling happiy we shouldn't call ourselves "gay" because it has come to have a bad meaning and been associated with bad groups. Likewise, I would question calling oneself "sufi" because all you do is seperate yourself from the Muslim Ummah.

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Alhamdullilah, that is exactly my poin that im tryiong to make. This too Is a very good point:

i think so because the Prophet saws taught us about such things without having to mention "sufism". So please share the interesting things you've learned.
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Ukhti_TM
06-16-2005, 09:21 PM
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Theres two sides to everything you just have to find a way to look for the good side.

like sufism yeah theres a few weird people who dance around doing zikr etc but were not like that.

like salafism some say [which i do believe as its in hadith] not to make takfir on another muslims but then others may call an awli Allah or someone pious a kafir [astagfirullah] those salafs i do hate but i always tend to look at the good side as youre not meant to hold a grudge against someone.

When articles and things are being posted, sometimes people tend to say this isnt true i dont believe it.

Next thing is were not here to advertise the tareeq. Just informing people that such a tareeq of purification exists and if anyones interested then contact us. Purification is something big and we know its not something to joke about with. Alhamdulillah thanks to our sheikh but most of all Allah [swt] we know what is goof and bad for us in this world and who to be awaree of, what you need to do to get the deeds and what you need to avoid from getting the sins.

There should be another column on what sufism is [the good side] not the deviant. Its fair to know what sufism can contain of the good points.

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minaz
06-17-2005, 06:48 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm I don't understand all these different types of 'groups'??? I read the qu'ran, hadiths (well not much), peroform the 5 pillars of islam, the basics and encorporate the general good character of being a muslim. Whenever anyone asks "what type of muslim are you?" I always reply British Muslim - for thats what i belong too. So ppl in this thread can have, what i see, as some what biased opinion on groups such as 'sufis' and what not, but I say at the end of the day we're all muslims and we just go about our different ways within the religion, as long as ones actions don't contradict the fundamental principals they are safe
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Brother_Mujahid
06-17-2005, 09:59 PM
i'll stay schtum and let the moddys reply :zip:
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Nakisai
06-17-2005, 10:50 PM
why don't we just love each other
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sisters of T_M
06-18-2005, 01:45 AM
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[QUOTE=Ukhti_TM]
Next thing is were not here to advertise the tareeq. Just informing people that such a tareeq of purification exists and if anyones interested then contact us. Purification is something big and we know its not something to joke about with. Alhamdulillah thanks to our sheikh but most of all Allah [swt] we know what is goof and bad for us in this world and who to be awaree of, what you need to do to get the deeds and what you need to avoid from getting the sins.

There should be another column on what sufism is [the good side] not the deviant. Its fair to know what sufism can contain of the good points.


good point sister!

[QUOTE=Minaz]
So ppl in this thread can have, what i see, as some what biased opinion on groups such as 'sufis' and what not, but I say at the end of the day we're all muslims

i agree with you brother but it is people who express their feelings to one group and do not let others contribute in this topic. they should think that one might get upset by saying this especially when they cannot express there feelings to it.

[QUOTE=Nakasai]
why don't we just love each other

inshallah sister we all do love each other for the sake of being all muslims.

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Ansar Al-'Adl
06-18-2005, 01:56 AM
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First of all, br. Minaz asked why we can't just call ourselves "muslim", and this is exactly what I agree with, that we don't need to propagate these kind of titles like "sufi" etc. that only divide the Muslim ummah further.

And Ukhti-TM mentioned that there are good things taught by sufis, and I agree completely, that not all sufis are deviated, and some see it as a pious way to achieve spirituality. And I have already clarified that in the article. And we encourage members to always post information on getting closer to Allah, but we don't need to advertise a specific title like "sufi" to do that.

So if anyone has anything else to mention on this topic, please mention it, if not then the issue is resolved and we can close the thread (as is standard procedure with resolved issues).

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sisters of T_M
06-18-2005, 02:24 AM
:sl:

these are views on sufism from some of the pious and righteous saints in the past.

Imam Abu Hanifa (r) (85 H.-150 H) said, "If it were not for two years, I would have perished. For two years I accompanied Sayyidina Jacfar as-Sadiq and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a knower in the Way."

The book Ad-Durr al-Mukhtar, vol 1. p. 43, mentions that Ibn cAbideen said, "Abi Ali Dakkak, one of the sufi saints, received his path from Abul Qassim an-Nasarabadi, who received it from ash-Shibli, who received it from Sariyy as-Saqati who received it from Macruf al-Karkhi, who received it from Dawad at-Ta'i, who received the knowledge, both the external and the internal, from the Imam Abu Hanifa (r), who was supporting the Sufi Spiritual Path." The Imam said before he died:, "Were it not for a certain two years, Nucman [i.e. myself] would have perished." There were the last two years of his life, when he began accompanying Jacfar as-Sadiq (q).

Imam Malik (94-179 H./716-795 CE)
Imam Malik (r) said, "Whoever studies jurisprudence [fiqh] and didn't study Sufism (tasawwuf) will be corrupted; and whoever studied tasawwuf and didn't study fiqh will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth." This saying is mentioned and explained in the book of the scholar 'Ali al-Adawi with the explanation of Imam Abil-Hassan, a scholar of fiqh, vol. 2, p. 195.

Imam Shafici (150-205 H./767-820 CE)
Imam Shafici said, "I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges:

1. they taught me how to speak
2. they taught me how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart.
3. they guided me in the ways of Sufism."

This is mentioned in the books, Kashf al-Khafa and Muzid al-Albas, by Imam 'Ajluni, vol. 1, p. 341.

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164-241 H./780-855 CE)
Imam Ahmad (r) said, advising his son, "O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. They are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power." This is explained in the book Tanwir al-Qulub, p. 405, by Shaikh Amin al-Kurdi.

Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis, as mentioned in the book Ghiza al-Albab, vol. 1, p. 120, "I don't know any people better than them."

Imam al-Muhasibi (d. 243 H./857 CE)
Imam al-Muhasibi reported that the Prophet (s) said, "My Nation is going to split into 73 divisions and only one of them will be the Group of Salvation." And Allah knows best that the Group is the people of Tasawwuf. He went deeply into the explanation of that subject, in the book Kitab al-Wasiya p. 27-32.

Imam al-Qushayri (d. 465 H./1072 CE)
Imam al-Qushayri said about Sufism, "Allah made this group the best of His saints and He honored them above all of His Servants after His Messengers and Prophets, and He made their hearts the secrets of His Divine Presence and He chose them from among the Nation to receive His Lights. They are the means of humanity. He cleaned them from all connnections to this world, and He lifted them to the highest states of vision. And He unveiled to them the Realities of His Unique Oneness. He made them to observe His Will operating in them. He made them to shine in His Existence and to appear as Lights of His Lights." [ar-Risalat al-Qushayriyya, p. 2]

Imam Ghazali (450-505 H./1058-1111 CE)
Imam Ghazali, hujjat ul-Islam, the Proof of Islam, said about Sufism, "I knew to be true that the Sufis are the seekers in Allah's Way, and that their conduct is the best conduct, and their way is the best way, and their manners are the most sanctified. They have cleaned their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run receiving knowledge of the Divine Presence." [al-Munqidh min ad-dalal, p. 131].

Imam Nawawi (620-676 H./1223-1278 CE)
Imam Nawawi said, in his Letters, al-Maqasid, "The specifications of the Way of the Sufis are five:

To keep the Presence of Allah in your heart in public and in private;
To follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) by actions and speech;
To keep away from dependence on people;
To be happy with what Allah gives you, even if it is little;
To always refer your matters to Allah, Almighty and Exalted." [Maqasid at-Tawhid, p. 20]
Imam Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi (544-606 H./1149-1209 CE)
Imam Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi said, "The way the Sufis seek Knowledge is to disconnect themselves from this worldly life, and keep themselves constantly busy in their mind and in their heart, with Dhikrullah, during all their actions and behaviors." [Ictiqadat Furaq al-Musliman, p. 72, 73]

Ibn Khaldun (733-808 H./1332-1406 CE)
Ibn Khaldun said, "The way of the Sufis is the way of the Salaf, the Scholars among the Sahaba, Tabiceen, and Tabic at-Tabiceen. Its origin is to worship Allah and to leave the ornaments of this world and its pleasures." [Muqaddimat ibn Khaldan, p. 328]

Tajuddin as-Subki
Tajuddin as-Subki (r) mentioned in his book Muceed an-Naceem, p. 190, under the chapter entitled Sufism, "May Allah praise them and greet them and may Allah make us to be with them in Paradise. Too many things have been said about them and too many ignorant people have said things which have no relation to them. And the truth is that they have left dunya and are busy with worship."

He said, "They are the People of Allah, whose duca and prayers Allah accepts, and by means of whom Allah supports human beings."

Jalaluddin as-Suyuti
He said in his book Ta'yad al-haqiqat al-cAliyya, p. 57, "Sufism in itself is the best and most honorable knowledge. It explains how to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and to leave innovation."

Ibn Taymiyya (661-728 H./1263-1328 CE)
In Majmaca Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, published by Dar ar-Rahmat, Cairo, Vol, 11, page 497, Book of Tasawwuf, Ibn Taymiyya says: "You have to know that the rightly-guided shaikhs must be taken as guides and examples in the Dan, as they are following in the footsteps of the Prophets and Messengers. The Way (tariqat) of those shaikhs is to call people to Allah's Divine Presence and obedience to the Prophet."

Ibn Taymiyya says on page 499 of the same volume: "The shaikhs whom we need to take as guides are our examples and we have to follow them. As when on the Hajj (the pilgrimage), one needs a guide (dalal) to reach the Kacba, these shaikhs are our guide (dalal) to Allah and our Prophet (s)."

Among the shuyukh he mentioned are: Ibrahim ibn Adham, Macruf al-Karkhi, Hasan al-Basri, Rabia al-Adawiyya, Junaid ibn Muhammad, Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, Shaikh Ahmad ar-Rafa'i, and Shaikh Bayazid al- Bistami.

Ibn Taymiyya quotes from Bayazid al-Bistami on page 510, Volume 10: "...the great Sufi shaikh, Bayazid al-Bistami, and the famous story of when he saw God in a vision (kashf) and said to Him: 'O Allah what is the way to You?' And Allah responded, 'Leave yourself and come to Me.'" Ibn Taymiyya continues quoting Bayazid al-Bistami, "I shed my self as a snake sheds its skin."

Implicit in this quotation is an indication of the need for zuhd (self-denial or abstention from the worldly life), as that was the path followed by Bayazid al-Bistami.

So we see from the above quotes, that Ibn Taymiyya was accepting many shaikhs by quoting them and urging people to follow guides to show the way to obey God and to obey the Prophet (saw).

In sum, Sufism, in the present as in the past, is the effective means for spreading the reality of Islam, extending the knowledge and understanding of spirituality, and fostering happiness and peace. With it man can find himself and, in so doing, find his Lord. With it man can improve, transform, and elevate himself, and find salvation from the ignorance of this world and its misguided pursuit of some materialistic fantasy. And Allah knows best what he intends for his servants.

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Ansar Al-'Adl
06-18-2005, 02:34 AM
:sl: Shall we play the game of throwing sectarian articles at each other? Half the stuff in your article was misquotations of a number of great shuyukh.

WHAT THE ISLAAMIC SCHOLARS HAVE SAID ABOUT SUFISM

Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee on Sufism:

"If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he does not come to Dhuhur except an idiot." [Talbees Iblees].

"Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return (ever)." [Talbees Iblees].

Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbaal (R) said:

"Warn (people) from Al-Harith (a Sufi leader) the strongest warning!... He is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees Iblis].

The famous Sheikh Abu Bakr Al-Jaza'iri stated:

"Sufism is a shameful deception which begins with Dhikr and ends with Kufr. Its outward manifestation appears to be piety, but its inward reality forsakes the Commandments of Allah." [Illat-Tasawwuf Yaa Ibadallah].

Ash-Sheikh Muhammad ibn Rabee' ibn Haadee Al-Madkhalee, a well known teacher at the Islamic University of Medinah and the son of a well known scholar, brings in his book "Haqeeqatus Soofiyyah Fee Dau'il Kitaabi Was Sunnah", the following:

Concerning the practice of the Sufiyyah in wearing woolen clothing as a sign of Zuhd (abstemiousness/disassociation from the wordly life) and in their attempt to mirror the Prophet 'Isa (AS):

"Ibn Taymiyah (R) mentions in Al-Fataawaa (11/7) from Muhammad ibn Seereen (a famous Tabi'ee who died in 110H) that it reached him that a certain people had taken to wearing woollen clothes in order to resemble 'Isa ibn Maryam (AS), so he said: 'There are a people (Sufis) who have chosen and preferred the wearing of woollen clothes, claiming that they want to resemble Al-Maseeh ibn Maryam (AS). But the way of our Prophet (s.a.w.s) is more beloved to us, and the Prophet (s.a.w.s) used to wear cotton and other garments."

Sheikh Al-Madkhalee goes on:

"As regards the first appearance of Sufism, then the word "Sufism" was not known in the time of the Sahâbah, indeed it was not well-known in the first three and best centuries. Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah (R), mentions that the first appearance of Sufism was in Basrah in 'Iraaq, where some people went to extremes in worship and in avoiding the worldly life, such as was not seen in other lands. [Al-Fataawaa (11/6)]."

Commenting on the reaction of the early Sufis while hearing Qur'an being recited (it was their practice to fall out and act dumb-struck), Ibn Taymiyah (R) says:

"This was not found to occur amongst the Sahâbah, so when it appeared a group of the Companions and the Tabi'een such as Asmaa bint Abi Bakr and 'Abd Allah Az-Zubair and Muhammad ibn Seereen criticised that since they saw that it was An innovation and contrary to what they knew from the manners of the Sahâbah." [Al-Fataawaa (11/6)].

Concerning the spread of Sufism, Ibn Al-Jawzy said: "Sufism is a way whose beginning was complete avoidance of the affairs of worldly life, then those who attached themselves to it became lax in allowing singing and dancing. Therefore, the seekers of the Hereafter from the common people became attracted to them due to the avoidance of the worldly life which they manifested, and the seekers after this world were also attracted to them due to the life of ease and frivolity which they were seen to live." [Talbees Iblis].

Shaikh Abu Zahrah (R) said concerning the reason for the appearance of Sufism and the sources from which it sprung:

1. The first source: Some worshippers amongst the Muslims turned all their attention to avoidance of the worldly life and to cutting themselves off in order to worship. This first began in the lifetime of the Prophet (s.a.w.s) when some of the Sahâbah decided to spend the night striving in Prayer and abandoning sleep. Others decided to fast every day without fail. Others decided to cease having marital relations with women. So when that reached the Prophet (s.a.w.s) he said: "What is wrong with a people who say such and such. But rather I fast and I refrain from fasting, I pray and I sleep, and I marry women. So whoever turns away from my Sunnah, then he is not from me (Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim). Furthermore, the innovation of living like monks (monasticism) is forbidden in the Qur'an. He said:

"...the Monasticism which they invented for themselves..." [57:27].

However, when the Prophet (s.a.w.s) passed on to join the company of the highest angels, and many people entered into Islam from the previous religions then the number of those who went to extremes in avoidance of worldly life and its blessings grew and Sufism found a place in the hearts of these people since it had come across a fertile planting ground.

2. The second matter which attracted peoples' souls was something which appeared amongst the Muslims in the form of two ideologies. One of them was philosophical whilst the other was from the previous religions. As for the first, then it was the view of the Illumist school of philosophers who held that knowledge and awareness is brought about in the soul by spiritual exercises and purification of the soul. As for the second ideology, then it was the belief that the Deity dwells in human souls, or that the Deity is incarnate in humanity. This idea began to find a place amongst those sects who falsely attributed themselves to Islam in the earlier times, when the Muslims became mixed with the Christians. This idea appeared amongst the Sabians and some of the Kaysaamiyyah, then the Qaraamitah, then amongst the Baatinees, then in its final shape it appeared amongst some of the Sufis...There is another source from which it took, and which causes the manifestation of Sufi tendencies, which is the idea that the texts of the Book and the Sunnah have an outer, apparent meaning and an inner, hidden meaning...it seems clear that they took this idea from the Baatinees." [Ibn Taymiyah by Abu Zahra].

Ibn Al-Jawzy said after criticising the Sufis for their imposition of hardship upon themselves and for their going beyond bounds of abstemiousness to the point of self torture:

"So this self deprivation which went beyond bounds, which we have been forbidden from, has been turned around by the Sufis of our time, i.e.. the sixth century, so that they have become as desirous of food as their predecessors were of hunger, and they enjoy morning meals, evening meals and sweet delicacies, all of which or most of which they attain through impure wealth. They have abandoned lawful earnings, turned away from worship and spread out carpets on which they idly recline, most of them have no desire except for food, drink and frivolous activities. [Talbees Iblees].

Speaking of the false miracles claimed by many Sufi leaders, Ibn Taymiyah said:

"It may also be done with the help of their devils as they are a people who are as closely attended by devils as they are by their own brothers... These people who experience these satanic happenings are under a great delusion, in their foolishness they are deprived of all blessings, they only increase that which is feared, they devour the wealth of the people in futile acts, they do not order the good, nor do they forbid evil, and they do not fight Jihaad in Allah's Cause." [Al-Fataawaa].

Futher, Sheikh Al-Madkhalee says:

"Then I return to the point that when I saw that most of the callers were negligent of the most important aspects of Islam which is the call to Tawheed and the correction and purification of 'Aqeedah from all Shirk, which takes the form of worshipping the dead, attachment to the graves and calling upon the dead and the absent, and they remained silent about the other deviation of the present day Sufi orders which are very widespread in the lands of the Muslims, and anyone who travels outside this land will see the predominance that the Sufi orders have over the minds of the Muslims in Egypt, Syria, Morocco, Africa and India. Whether is is the Rifaa'ee order, or the Tijanis, or the Ahmadiyyah, or the Qaadiriyyah, or the Burhamiyyah, or the Shadhiliyyah, or the Khattaaniyyah, or the Darqaawees, or the Naqshabandis or whichever of the large number of Sufi orders...when I saw this I wished to remind of that which I held to be something very important. Likewise, I wished to provide my brothers, who study in the highly regarded Daarul Hadeeth, and they come from various Islamic lands where there are many Sufi orders, with some knowledge and some protection from the deadly sickness of Sufism."

As for those authentic and well known books by the 'Ulemah that have refuted Sufism:

1. Al-Fataawaa - by Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah .
2. Talbess Iblis - by Ibn Al-Jawzy .
3. Tanbeebul-Ghabee ilaa Takfeer Ibn'Arabee - by Burhaanuddeen Al-Baqaa'ee .
4. Tahdheerul-'Ibaad min Ahlil-'Inaad bibid'atil-Ittihaad - by Al-Baqaa'ee .

There are many scholars who declared ibn Arabi to be a disbeliever then one of the Imaams of his time, al-Allaamah Burhaan ad-Deen al-Baqaa`ee [809-885H] authored a work entirely devoted to this in which he mentions the names and statements of tens of scholars from the time of ibn Arabi to his time who declared him to be a disbeliever. He mentions even more who declared him to be a deviant and worse - some of them sufis themselves. Insha`Allaah I will mention a few of them here and the interested reader can refer to the aforementioned book for more detail. The name of the book is ‘Tanbeeh al-Ghabbi ilaa takfeer ibn Arabee’

Ibn Arabi said concerning the worshippers of the cow at the time of Moses (AS) as in his ‘Fusoos’ (pg. 192), "Moses (AS) was more knowledgeable of this matter than Haaroon because he knew what the Companions of the Cow (truly) worshipped. This is because he knew that Allaah had decreed that none was to be worshipped save Him Alone and that when Allaah decrees a thing it must occur. Therefore when Moses censured his brother Haaroon it was because of Haaroon rejecting (what the Companions of the Cow did) and his inability to truly comprehend it. For the Gnostic is the one who sees the Truth (Allaah) in everything, indeed he sees the Truth to be everything."

[Therefore ibn Arabee thought that the action of these people was correct because what they were worshipping was in reality Allaah!! Refuge is sought with Allaah]

(1). Zayn ad-Deen al-Iraaqee [the teacher of ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee] said, "these words are disbelief from the one who utters them due to a number of reasons…"

It is known that ibn Arabee believed that Pharaoh was correct when he said ‘I am your lord most high’ as in Fusoos (pg. 210).

Al-Iraaqee said, "his saying concerning the statement of Pharaoh, ‘I am your lord most high’ that it was correct for him to say that…there is not doubt that the one who says this statement, and it is authentic that he said it while possessing his intelligence and not being coerced then he is a kaafir…"

(2). The son of Al-Iraaqee, Imaam Walee ad-Deen Ahmad al-Iraaqee said under the twenty first issue of his ‘Fataawaa al-Makkiyyah,’ "there is no doubt in including the Fusoos that is famous from him amongst the clear and explicit disbelief. The same applies to his ‘Futoohaat al-Makkiyyah.’ If these books are truly written by him (ibn Arabee) and he believed in what he wrote when he died then he is a kaafir who will remain for eternity in Hellfire. There is no doubt concerning this."

(3). Ibn Sayyid an-Naas and ibn Daqeeq al-Eid and other scholars all mention from their shaykh al-Izz bin Abdis Salaam (who was contemporary to ibn Arabee) that he said about him, "an evil shaykh, a liar." This was mentioned by adh-Dhahabee via many routes.

(4). Abu Hayyaan [b. 654H] in his famous tafseer under aayah 5:17

(5, 6). Ibn Hajr and his Shaykh al-Balqeenee. Ibn Hajr says in his biography to ibn al-Faarid in his ‘Lisaan al-Meezaan,’ "I asked our Shaykh Siraaj ad-Deen al-Balqeenee about ibn al-Arabee and he promptly replied that he was a kaafir."

(7). Al-Haafidh adh-Dhahabee, "and how would it be if the Shaykh (i.e. Sayf ad-Deen Alee al-Hareeree, the Sufi) saw the words of ibn Arabee which are pure kufr and heresy, he would say ‘this is the Dajjaal that is awaited.’"

He also said, "if his (ibn Arabees) words are not kufr then there is no kufr in the world."

(8).Ibn Taymiyyah as is well known from him.

These are just some of the statements by scholars, past and present, concerning the Soofiyyah. There are many, many more...and the research goes on...

Now evidently, if you continue to throw sectarian articles out, you are telling me you have no further useful information to contribute to the discussion.

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