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SolveEtCoagula
09-28-2006, 09:30 PM
What If Israel Had Never Been Created?

William Hughes
July 11, 2006

“Imagine there’s no countries...Nothing to live or die for...Imagine all the people living life in peace.” - John Lennon

Thanks mostly to U.S. President Harry S. Truman and his “susceptibility to Zionist influence,” Israel came into existence in 1948. (1) Humanity, and in particular, the Palestinians, have paid dearly for his decision. The land on which the Palestinians had been living for centuries, in peace, with a minority Jewish population, has been gradually transformed into an Apartheid state by the machinations of the Zionist Movement. That Apartheid state, in turn, is today dominated by Israel’s Death-Mayhem-and- Occupation Machine. (2)

One wonders: What would the world look like today, if the state of Israel had not been created in 1948? Its improvident formation seems to have set in motion a chain of events, mostly negative, in the affairs of Mankind. In the movie, “Click,” the lead character finds a “universal remote” that allows him to rewind to different parts of his life and to change what had happened. If I possessed such a “universal remote” and could stop President Truman from aiding and abetting the establishment of an Israeli state, then, it is my speculation, (a theory), that the following 25 propositions would probably be our present day reality. They are:

1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World.

2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network.

3. Gasoline would be selling for less than $1 a gallon.

4. There would have been no 9/11.

5. There would be no USA Patriot Law.

6. There would be no Homeland Security Agency.

7. The Israeli Lobby’s “unmatched power” over the U.S.’ foreign policy, for over four decades, would not had existed. (Its support for the Iraqi War was deemed by the experts to be “critical.”) (3)

8. There would also not have been any Neocon ideologues; like Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Richard Perle, et al, to help, (along with other “Special Interests”), to push the U.S. into an illegal war with Iraq. (4)

9. Iran would not be the next target for U.S. aggression. (No Israel. No “A Clean Break” document. No Israeli Lobby. No Neocons. No need for the U.S. to attack Iran.) (5)

10. The Zionist fink, Jonathan Pollard, wouldn’t be in prison for stealing U.S. military secrets and hawking them to Israel.

11. The three million-plus Palestinians, who were forcefully dispersed from their homeland, since 1948, by the Israeli Occupation Forces, (IOF), would, instead, be living happily there today, in a free and independent state of Palestine. There would be no Apartheid Wall, or as a corollary, a Hamas organization. (6)

12. Jerusalem would have a vibrant Christian population. (7)

13. Rachel Corrie of Olympia, WA, would be alive and well. (8)

14. The 2,544 Americans who have died in Iraq would be alive; and the 18,777, who have been seriously wounded there, would be fully participating in our Republic. U.S. taxpayers would have an additional $295 billion, (the cost of the war), in the treasury to use to serve the social needs of the people. Universal Health Care would be a real possibility and Social Security would not be in jeopardy. Iraq would be at peace. There would be no Gitmo Bay detention center, or an Abu Ghraib Prison, or a reason for the Bush-Cheney Gang to gut Habeas Corpus. No need for it to also employ torturers, or chemical weapons, or hold detainees without charges or trial. The Geneva Convention would be respected. The tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, who have died as a result of the war, would instead be alive today. (At the following footnote, see horrific photos of some of the Iraqi dead.) (9)

15. The battle to save our planet, its fragile ecosystem, its fast vanishing animal life and plants and to combat global warming, would be issue “No. 1.” (10) Instead, we are perpetually bombarded with propaganda about defending “Israel’s security.”

16. If there was no Israel, then the “five dancing Israelis” on 9/11 wouldn’t have been arrested. They were nailed after “celebrating” in NJ, while watching the Twin Towers collapsed. (11)

17. U.S. taxpayers would be $140 billion richer! This is the staggering amount they have shelled out over the last 58 years to support the ultra-greedy interests of the Zionist Cartel. (3)

18. The 34 Americans onboard the USS Liberty, who were slaughtered by the IOF, on June 8, 1967, would be alive today; and the 174 others who had suffered injuries that day would not have had to endure their horrific experiences. The shame the U.S. carries for not having quickly defended the men of the Liberty, and retaliated against the Israelis for their deliberate attack on the vessel, would have been avoided. (12)

19. On June 13, 2006, the IOF killed ten Palestinians, including three medical workers and two children, in the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, labeled the missile attack an example of “state terrorism.” Only God knows how many Palestinians the Israelis have actually wasted since 1948; or exactly how many refugees it has created, or how many homes, a la Oliver Cromwell, the IOF have demolished. None of this would have been possible without the dubious “state of Israel.” (13)

20. Paul Bremer, a coat holder for Henry “Iago” Kissinger, would have never been appointed Viceroy for an Occupied Iraq. No Israel. No Iraqi War. No Zionist Bremer as Viceroy of Iraq. (14)

21. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA), a card carrying Zionist. He was then a “Special Counsel” to the Commission. He concocted the preposterous “Magic Bullet” theory, which shut down any real conspiracy-type probe. It is also interesting to note, that Jacob Rubenstein, aka, “Jack Ruby,” Lee Harvey Oswald’s murderer, had close ties to Meyer Lansky’s National Crime Syndicate. I believe the answer to who really plotted JFK’s killing, died with Oswald. In any event after JFK’s death, Israel’s nuclear weapons program, which he had opposed went ahead. U.S. aid to Israel also increased dramatically. (15)

22. There would have been no reason for a French Ambassador to refer to Israel as “that ****ty little country.” (16) In fact, the Jews of the world would have been liberated to fulfill their deepest spiritual quest, as embodied in their religion - Judaism. According to the highly respected Orthodox Rabbi, Dovid Yisroel Weiss, “Zionism has hijacked Judaism.” The courageous Rabbi insists that, “Zionism creates anti-Semitism...And we know...Zionism is the root cause for the pain, suffering and bloodshed of the Jewish people...and, they, (the Zionists), are the greatest factory of anti-Semitism worldwide...Judaism and Zionism is not one and the same. They are diametrically opposite...We should not be mistaken one for the other. And, we shouldn’t be responsible for the actions of what the Zionists do...Now, another of the problems that emanate actually from the Zionist Movement is the fact that they are encroaching upon the rights of the Palestinian people, the indigenous people, who are living there. And, this is terribly wrong. It is against every concept of the Torah...So, whatever they are doing is totally wrong!” (17)



23. Thousands of Israelis have died attempting to build a nation in a land, Palestine, which belonged to another people, the Palestinians. Their deaths would have been avoided. (18)

24. The widespread spying on Americans, without a court order, by operatives of the Bush-Cheney Gang, would have never happened. (No Israel. No 9/11. No spying on U.S. citizens.)

25. On April 4, 2003, a European Union (EU) poll named Israel as the “greatest threat to world peace.” (19) On June 27, 2006, the IOF proved the EU right by reoccupying Gaza, savagely terrorizing the civilian population, blowing up their electric/water generating facilities, conducting a mass arrest of their elected officials, and also, without just cause, provoking the Syrians. In response to the repeated shelling by the IOF of Gaza, Israel’s Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, wisecracked, “Nobody dies from being uncomfortable!” When he addressed a Joint Session of the U.S. Congress, on May 24, 2006, Olmert received 38 breaks of applause and 18 standing ovations from that entity of mostly lapdogs. This is also the same Israeli leader, who, paraphrasing George Orwell's “Animal Farm,” said that he had a “deep regret” about the effects of some IOF’s operations which had killed 14 innocent Palestinians in just nine days, but that the lives of Israeli citizens were “even more important.”(20) Finally, if there wasn’t a Zionist-created Israel, there also wouldn’t be any need for a commentary like this one!

Notes:

1. http://www.counterpunch.org/clark06032006.html

2. http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/index.htm

3. http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Researc..._011_walt.pdf; and, http://www.counterpunch.org/christison06162006.html

4. http://batr.net/neoconwatch/archives..._archive.html; and http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/offtowar.html

5. Chalmer Johnson’s “Sorrows of Empire.”

6. http://www.ameu.org/index.asp

7. http://hcef.org/hcef/; Scott McConnell’s “Divided & Conquered,” TAC, 07/03/06; http://woodstock.georgetown.edu/publ...n_Feb2001.htm; and http://www.icahduk.org/documents/SupportSabeel.htm

8. http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

9. http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/uncensored

10. http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/lectures/448

11. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

12. http://www.ussliberty.org/

13. http://www.pchrgaza.org/

14. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...522983,00.html

15. Peter Dale Scott’s “Deep Politics and the Death of JFK” and Stephen Green’s “Taking Sides: America’s Secret Relationship with a Militant Israel.”

16. http://www.themodernreligion.com/jih...mbassador.html

17. http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm and http://usa.mediamonitors.net/headlin...sharon_zionism and http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newsw...5200/index.php

18. http://wrmea.org/

19. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1022127,00.html

20. Ravi Nessman’s “Israel Steps Up Offensive,” AP, 07/03/06; Boston Globe’s “Agony of Gaza,” 07/07/06; and http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle1095841.ece

© William Hughes 2006.

William Hughes is the author of “Saying ‘No’ to the War Party” (IUniverse, Inc.). He can be reached at liamhughes@comcast.net.

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Joe98
09-28-2006, 10:21 PM
When the Iranians took over the US embassy in Tehran in 1979, that was related to the US inspired coup of the 1950's.

It had nothing to do with Israel. The Iranians would still hate the Americans.

When Iran and Iraq went to war that had nothing to do with Israel. The expensive war led to the Iraq invasion of Kuwait which led to the current conflict in Iraq.
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Trumble
09-29-2006, 02:45 AM
Historical "what ifs" are much more interesting when rather than just producing a list of obvious direct consequences you let your imagination consider a few alternatives. How about this;


1948 Arab victory destroys the newly declared State of Israel. Jews in Palestine are dispersed to Europe and North America.

1950 The victory unites the Arab peoples, Pan-Arab League is formed.

1953 Democratic government of the Pan-Arab League is toppled by a Soviet backed socialist coup.

1960 Attempted coup by Islamists fails, leaders are executed. Open practice of Islam is forbidden in Egypt and Syria.

1965 1st Pan Arab League campaign in Africa. Chad annexed.

1968 First NATO troops arrive in Ethiopia.

1969 Open practice of Islam forbidden across the PAL. First mosques are destroyed in Syria and Jordan.

1970 PAL troops, assisted by Soviet advisors, narrowly defeated by Ethiopian and NATO forces.

1975 Arrival of first Warsaw Pact troops in PAL territory, near the border with Iran. At request of the Shah, NATO troops moved to Iran.

1976 PAL attack on Iran, NATO and Warsaw Pact troops in direct conflict for the first time. First border incidents in Germany.

1976 Secret meeting of President Ford and Chairman Brezhnev. Agreement reached that if conflict cannot be avoided, war is to be limited to the Middle East theatre. A further clause restricts any use of nuclear weapons to that theatre.

1977 Warsaw Pact forces gain the upper hand. President Carter authorises limited use of nuclear weapons against Soviet bases in Iraq.

1977 After the destruction of the second Soviet Tank Army, Brezhnev authorises nuclear retaliation. Tehran, Baghdad, and Damascas obliterated, millions die. Warsaw Pact starts mobilisation in Europe, NATO responds.

1978 Warsaw Pact troops attack West Germany in lightning campaign. NATO overwhelmed. President Carter authorises tactical nuclear response. Destruction of Berlin.

1978 Brezhnev authorises the use of nuclear weapons against civilian targets. Destruction of Amsterdam and London.

1978 President Carter approves full scale nuclear response against the Soviet Union. The Soviets retaliate.

2006 Last survivors of the human race die as a result of cataclysmic climate change resulting from "nuclear winter" Nobody is left alive to wonder "what if" the State of Israel never existed.

Or, in short, you never know if what you got is better or worse than what you might have got!
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Woodrow
09-29-2006, 03:38 AM
Very two interseting possibilties have been presented. Either or neither may be what would have happened. We don't know.

We do know what did happen.
We do have opinions as if it is right or wrong.
We do have ideas as to what we perceive as problems.

Personaly I believe things are going in accordance with the will of Allah(swt). I do not know the reason. I do feel we all need to begin to focus on what could be right about things beint as they are. Then we need to focus on what we as individuals can do to increase what is right.

Somethings I have seen happen.

Palestine is being rcognised by those of us who are Muslem. We are aware now of a group of people that had been in the back shadow of the world for many generations. We now know that we have long forgotten brothers.

Now, we need to take positive steps to help our brothers achieve independence and self sufficiency. Our best way I believe is to first help them learn to fully use what they have, help with education both academic and Qur'anic. Assist them in establishing either resources or services that will allow them to no longer be dependent on other people for employment and food.

After, that is done, we can concentrate on the just and proper way for them to regain lost land.
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09-29-2006, 03:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Very two interseting possibilties have been presented. Either or neither may be what would have happened. We don't know.

We do know what did happen.
We do have opinions as if it is right or wrong.
We do have ideas as to what we perceive as problems.

Personaly I believe things are going in accordance with the will of Allah(swt). I do not know the reason. I do feel we all need to begin to focus on what could be right about things beint as they are. Then we need to focus on what we as individuals can do to increase what is right.

Somethings I have seen happen.

Palestine is being rcognised by those of us who are Muslem. We are aware now of a group of people that had been in the back shadow of the world for many generations. We now know that we have long forgotten brothers.

Now, we need to take positive steps to help our brothers achieve independence and self sufficiency. Our best way I believe is to first help them learn to fully use what they have, help with education both academic and Qur'anic. Assist them in establishing either resources or services that will allow them to no longer be dependent on other people for employment and food.

After, that is done, we can concentrate on the just and proper way for them to regain lost land.
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they need Food and Medicine right now. i saw in news the people of Pal suffering a lot. and the Isreal and USA don't let them to take their relif properly. a huge leaglly earned money by Pal is not given to them by Isreail which cause a serious suffer to them.
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therebbe
09-29-2006, 04:01 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Historical "what ifs" are much more interesting when rather than just producing a list of obvious direct consequences you let your imagination consider a few alternatives. How about this;


1948 Arab victory destroys the newly declared State of Israel. Jews in Palestine are dispersed to Europe and North America.

1950 The victory unites the Arab peoples, Pan-Arab League is formed.

1953 Democratic government of the Pan-Arab League is toppled by a Soviet backed socialist coup.

1960 Attempted coup by Islamists fails, leaders are executed. Open practice of Islam is forbidden in Egypt and Syria.

1965 1st Pan Arab League campaign in Africa. Chad annexed.

1968 First NATO troops arrive in Ethiopia.

1969 Open practice of Islam forbidden across the PAL. First mosques are destroyed in Syria and Jordan.

1970 PAL troops, assisted by Soviet advisors, narrowly defeated by Ethiopian and NATO forces.

1975 Arrival of first Warsaw Pact troops in PAL territory, near the border with Iran. At request of the Shah, NATO troops moved to Iran.

1976 PAL attack on Iran, NATO and Warsaw Pact troops in direct conflict for the first time. First border incidents in Germany.

1976 Secret meeting of President Ford and Chairman Brezhnev. Agreement reached that if conflict cannot be avoided, war is to be limited to the Middle East theatre. A further clause restricts any use of nuclear weapons to that theatre.

1977 Warsaw Pact forces gain the upper hand. President Carter authorises limited use of nuclear weapons against Soviet bases in Iraq.

1977 After the destruction of the second Soviet Tank Army, Brezhnev authorises nuclear retaliation. Tehran, Baghdad, and Damascas obliterated, millions die. Warsaw Pact starts mobilisation in Europe, NATO responds.

1978 Warsaw Pact troops attack West Germany in lightning campaign. NATO overwhelmed. President Carter authorises tactical nuclear response. Destruction of Berlin.

1978 Brezhnev authorises the use of nuclear weapons against civilian targets. Destruction of Amsterdam and London.

1978 President Carter approves full scale nuclear response against the Soviet Union. The Soviets retaliate.

2006 Last survivors of the human race die as a result of cataclysmic climate change resulting from "nuclear winter" Nobody is left alive to wonder "what if" the State of Israel never existed.

Or, in short, you never know if what you got is better or worse than what you might have got!

Great Point. Playing the What-If cards only allow complete idiots with no thought process to try and bring up points they can only pretend to be valid.

How about this for a what if...

WHAT IF THE ARAB WORLD LEFT ISRAEL ALONE IN '48!!!! THEN THE PALESTINIANS WOULD BE JORDANIANS AND EGYPTION IN GAZA AND WESTBANK. AND JERUSALEM WOULD NOT BE IN JEWISH HANDS. IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT!
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*charisma*
09-29-2006, 06:03 AM
WHAT IF THE ARAB WORLD LEFT ISRAEL ALONE IN '48!!!! THEN THE PALESTINIANS WOULD BE JORDANIANS AND EGYPTION IN GAZA AND WESTBANK. AND JERUSALEM WOULD NOT BE IN JEWISH HANDS. IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT!
What are jews doing in the "arab" world..they weren't arabs in the first place..
If you think its easy for people to leave their own land, just because some other ethnicity moves in, then you have a lot of issues, buddy. Jordan was a part of palestine, it was only when Israel moved in that it was separated.

Maybe if you all treated them like humans, you wouldn't fear them as if they were vicious animals.

What's the wall up for? Why are there checkpoints inside of palestinian land and outside of it? why can't jordanians visit their palestinian families? why are sheikhs jailed just for being religious? why are children jailed and forced to do hard labor? why do they torment and torture those jailed while interrogating them? Why have they held visas so that people can't enter Palestine anymore unless they had a palestinian "haweeya" as they call it, and when they find out that you have one, even if you were born and raised in america and just going for a visit, they treat you just as they would treat any other palestinian. Why can't palestinians go to other parts of palestine?

Do you blame them for blowing up themselves?? They don't even know what life is from how much they've seen death!

Can you imagine yourself in poverty with an education and not being able to get a job?? Or not even being able to go to school because it was either demolished or the community is too poor to afford one? Can you imagine yourself sitting in an israeli jail being tormented and tortured and at the same time wondering whats happening to your family or when you'll get out?? Can you imagine screaming at the top of your lungs and no one hearing your screams?? There used to be soo many fruit trees in Palestine, trees that lasted generations, you would think if there were atleast fruit in palestine, people wouldn't be hungry and they could pick them and make money off of them, but nooo they had to run those down with their bull dozers as well,

you're trying to blame palestinians for their own deaths?? get real! thats just a arrogant remark and completely unreasonable!

Israel doesn't BELONG in the middle east! no matter how you try to walk around it, it just doesn't! You're kids with military supplies.
You fear the palestinians, instead of comprimising with your fears you kill what you fear.

regards,
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Abu Zakariya
09-29-2006, 08:01 AM
Qadar Allahu masha'fal.

As Shaykh Hammad ibn Muhammad al-Ansari explained, the fact that the Jews gathered in Israel the way they did is one of the signs of prophethood of Rasul Allah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam (since he foretold this). In a lecture by Anwar al-Awlaki, he mentioned that there's a hadith which mentions that the Jews would gather to the west of the Jordan river (if I remember it correctly), and this was during a time when the Jews were nowhere near forming a state. The narrator of the hadith had not before heard of the place mentioned in the hadith (i.e. todays eastern Israeli border).
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AvarAllahNoor
09-29-2006, 09:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Zakariya
Qadar Allahu masha'fal.

As Shaykh Hammad ibn Muhammad al-Ansari explained, the fact that the Jews gathered in Israel the way they did is one of the signs of prophethood of Rasul Allah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam (since he foretold this). In a lecture by Anwar al-Awlaki, he mentioned that there's a hadith which mentions that the Jews would gather to the west of the Jordan river (if I remember it correctly), and this was during a time when the Jews were nowhere near forming a state. The narrator of the hadith had not before heard of the place mentioned in the hadith (i.e. todays eastern Israeli border).
If this is the case, then why do Palestinians not recognise the prophecy? Surely they should see that Allah has ordered it, no?
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Abu Zakariya
09-29-2006, 09:12 AM
If this is the case, then why do Palestinians not recognise the prophecy? Surely they should see that Allah has ordered it, no?
First of all, there are also ahadith regarding the coming of the Mahdi etcetera, but this doesn't mean that the Muslims should simply sit back and await him. We should still carry on the Daw'ah work and do our best.

Secondly, there are also prophecies that Muslims will be fighting the Jews.
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