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starfortress
10-03-2006, 10:02 PM
North Korea Threatens Nuclear Weapons Test

NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2006

SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korea said Tuesday that it will conduct a nuclear test to bolster its self-defense capability amid what it calls increasing U.S. hostility toward the communist regime.

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, said that the U.S. would bring up North Korea's statement for discussion Tuesday morning in a regular meeting of the U.N. Security Council.

"A nuclear test by North Korea would be extraordinarily serious," Bolton said in an interview with The Associated Press. "The threat is serious enough that we're certainly going to take this action in the council this morning, by raising it."

Using the acronym for the country's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the North's Foreign Ministry said in the official English translation of its statement that: "The DPRK will in the future conduct a nuclear test under the condition where safety is firmly guaranteed."

The statement gave no precise date of when a test might occur.

Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso called the purported nuclear test plan a threat to peace, and said a nuclear test would have graver implications than North Korean missile tests in July. Aso called the North's self-described plan "totally unforgivable," and said Japan would react "sternly" if the North conducted a nuclear test, according to Kyodo News agency.

China, North Korea's neighbor, ally and chief benefactor, had no immediate comment. The North Korean announcement appeared to have caught Chinese officialdom off-guard, coming in the midst of a weeklong National Day holiday.

Pyongyang has said it has nuclear weapons, but is not known to have conducted any test to prove its claim. It has not mentioned a nuclear test in previous public statements.

"The U.S. extreme threat of a nuclear war and sanctions and pressure compel the DPRK to conduct a nuclear test, an essential process for bolstering nuclear deterrent, as a corresponding measure for defense," said the statement, carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

The North's "nuclear weapons will serve as reliable war deterrent for protecting the supreme interests of the state and the security of the Korean nation from the U.S. threat of aggression and averting a new war and firmly safeguarding peace and stability on the Korean peninsula under any circumstances," the statement said.

Multilateral talks on the North's nuclear program have been stalled for almost a year. Pyongyang has boycotted the six-nation talks to protest U.S. financial restrictions imposed for its alleged illegal activity, including money laundering and counterfeiting.

The North said Tuesday that its ultimate goal is "to settle hostile relations between the DPRK and the U.S. and to remove the very source of all nuclear threats from the Korean Peninsula and its vicinity," accusing the U.S. of posing a nuclear threat in the region.


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Woodrow
10-03-2006, 10:16 PM
I'm just curious as to where they would plan to do their testing? North Korea is much too small to have any areas that would not make a nuclear test very dangerous to themselves. Might be a good idea to encourage them to conduct the test, and then South Korea might not have much left to fear from whatever remains of North Korea.
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starfortress
10-03-2006, 10:20 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
I'm just curious as to where they would plan to do their testing? North Korea is much too small to have any areas that would not make a nuclear test very dangerous to themselves. Might be a good idea to encourage them to conduct the test, and then South Korea might not have much left to fear from whatever remains of North Korea.

Maybe in Pakistan,Iran or Pacific Ocean.
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Woodrow
10-03-2006, 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by starfortress
Maybe in Pakistan,Iran or Pacific Ocean.
Do you think they hate either Pakistan or Iran enough to test nukes within the boundries of either or do you think either is ignorant enough to allow nukes to be tested within the country boundries. I am certain any test in the Pacific would touch off a huge world wide protest against them.
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starfortress
10-03-2006, 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Do you think they hate either Pakistan or Iran enough to test nukes within the boundries of either or do you think either is ignorant enough to allow nukes to be tested within the country boundries. I am certain any test in the Pacific would touch off a huge world wide protest against them.

Sorry not to mentioned it earlier,i quoted it base on 1998 tested that took place at Baluchistan the remote region in Pakistan.

http://www.kimsoft.com/2004/nk-pk-test.htm
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AHMED_GUREY
10-03-2006, 11:38 PM
does anyone know the Bravo test of the US long time ago and it's side effects on innocent civilians due to gross miscaculations of US scientists?

North Korea still being an infant when it comes nuclear science increases the chances of a re-make of the B-test and probably with an even greater backlash
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Woodrow
10-04-2006, 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by AHMED_GUREY
does anyone know the Bravo test of the US long time ago and it's side effects on innocent civilians due to gross miscaculations of US scientists?

North Korea still being an infant when it comes nuclear science increases the chances of a re-make of the B-test and probably with an even greater backlash
It did not take the US long to decide that nuclear tests within the boundries of the US were too hazardous so the last of the above ground tests took place in the Pacific, with disasterous results that are still being felt. Nuclear testing any place on earth is going to harm you or your children and grand children for many generations to come.

The Bravo test was a result of a miscalculation. Bravo was supposed to be relativly small for an H Bomb.




People & Events
The "Bravo" Test


On March 1, 1954 the United States tested an H-bomb design on Bikini Atoll that unexpectedly turned out to be the largest U.S. nuclear test ever exploded. By missing an important fusion reaction, the Los Alamos scientists had grossly underestimated the size of the explosion. They thought it would yield the equivalent of 5 million tons of TNT, but, in fact, "Bravo" yielded 15 megatons -- making it more than a thousand times bigger than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

The blast gouged a crater about a mile wide in the reef. Within seconds the fireball was nearly three miles in diameter. The illumination from the blast was visible for almost one minute on Rongerik, an island 135 miles east of the burst. It trapped personnel in experiment bunkers and engulfed the 7,500 foot diagnostic pipe array. Physicist Marshall Rosenbluth was on a ship about 30 miles away. He remembers that the fireball, "just kept rising and rising, and spreading... It looked to me like what you might imagine a diseased brain, or a brain of some mad man would look like on the surface... And the air started getting filled with this gray stuff, which I guess was somewhat radioactive coral."
Source:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/pe...ndeAMEX51.html
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starfortress
10-04-2006, 05:38 AM
North Korea could conduct a nuclear weapons test without advance preparations beind detected by American intelligence.

According to an analysis by Satoshi Morimoto of Takushoku University, " ... carrying out nuclear tests inside North Korea would be an extremely sticky action. That is because this kind of nuclear testing could only be carried out underground. There is absolutely no way they could do in the air or above ground. Even with underground nuclear testing, you normally need a fifty to sixty kilometer square of desert for a nuclear test. In the U.S., this would be something like the Nevada desert. Unless you have the kind they have in India or Pakistan, you cannot do it. The reason for this is that the underground water system gets damaged. North Korea has a very abundant flow of underground water, and if you carry out an underground nuclear test in this kind of place, radioactive materials would get into the water supply for the whole of the Korean peninsula, and also flow out into the Sea of Japan. As a consequence, if there were any underground nuclear testing in the Korean peninsula, it would not be just the ecological system, but also the topography of the land that would be damaged. So, will they indeed carry out tests? I think they might somehow manage to borrow the Pakistani desert, or else carry out tests in another country. Still, this being North Korea, one can never know. If they did do that sort of nuclear test, then the U.S. would run out of patience."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/wo.../nuke-test.htm

I beleive the DPRK already have atleast a minimum capability in nuke,since the cooperation with Pakistan but they didn't want to declare it.The DPRK seems like to play hide and seek,to blur and make the whole world in confusing.I wonder how US would react on this case.
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AHMED_GUREY
10-04-2006, 01:03 PM
China calls for calm over N Korea

China has appealed for calm following North Korea's announcement that it planned to test a nuclear bomb. "We hope that North Korea will exercise necessary calm and restraint," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, urging other states not to escalate tensions.

North Korea announced the test on state TV, saying it would boost security in the face of US hostility.

The US said such an action would be "provocative", while Japan said it would be "unacceptable".

The US has already indicated it would raise the issue with the UN Security Council, but Beijing says the issue should be handled by ongoing six-nation talks on North Korea's nuclear ambitions.

These talks have been stalled for almost a year, with Pyongyang refusing to return to the table unless the US first lifts financial sanctions.

Despite a flurry of diplomatic activity in recent months, after the North conducted internationally condemned missile tests, little progress has been made.

China, the nearest the North has to an ally, has often advocated quiet diplomacy in efforts to get Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear programme.

But other countries involved in the six-nation talks - notably the US and Japan - have frequently taken a harder line.

International outcry

North Korea said that its nuclear test would prove its claim, made publicly last year, that it had nuclear weapons.

Pyongyang did not give a date for its planned nuclear test, but North Korean diplomat Pak Myong-guk told the BBC that the country had been forced to act because of Washington's stance.

"These kinds of threats of nuclear war and sanctions and pressure by the United States compel us to conduct a nuclear test," he said.

But there was little sympathy among the international community for Pyongyang's reasons.

Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told parliament on Wednesday that Tokyo "simply could not accept if North Korea were to conduct a nuclear test".

"It would be a very provocative act by the North Koreans," added US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice .

South Korea warned that it might abandon its long policy of pursuing engagement with the North if the tests went ahead.

Russia and various other European nations have also expressed concern, and a spokesman for UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said a test would only provoke universal condemnation and do nothing towards strengthening North Korea's security.

But China said it would be better to revive the six-nation talks, which stalled almost a year ago.

"If the six-party talks cannot do anything about it, I don't think the Council is in a position to do it," China's envoy to the UN, Wang Guangya, told reporters.

Nuclear capabilities

North Korea is thought to have developed a handful of warheads but never before announced it would test one.

US and South Korean reports suggest the North has at least one underground test site.

The North appears increasingly angry at sanctions imposed by the US and other countries on North Korean businesses accused of arms sales and illegal activities.

In 2002, it restarted its nuclear reactor at Yongbyon and forced two UN nuclear monitors to leave the country. It is unclear how far work has progressed at the plant since then.

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AHMED_GUREY
10-04-2006, 01:04 PM
woodrow bro that's the one i was talking about thanks!
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Keltoi
10-04-2006, 08:45 PM
I don't think China wants North Korea to have nuclear weapons capability anymore than the U.S. does. It is a national security issue for the Chinese as well. Perhaps they will decide to stop obstructing security council votes at the U.N and seriously work for a nuclear free Korea.
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Woodrow
10-04-2006, 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by Keltoi
I don't think China wants North Korea to have nuclear weapons capability anymore than the U.S. does. It is a national security issue for the Chinese as well. Perhaps they will decide to stop obstructing security council votes at the U.N and seriously work for a nuclear free Korea.
China and Korea have never been what could be strong allies of each other. Historicaly I can not see how Korea has kept China from overtaking the Korean penninsula. With nukes Korea might be more of a threat to China than to the USA.
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Keltoi
10-04-2006, 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
China and Korea have never been what could be strong allies of each other. Historicaly I can not see how Korea has kept China from overtaking the Korean penninsula. With nukes Korea might be more of a threat to China than to the USA.
Either China is waiting for the U.S. to take some action or they are still hoping to stop North Korea from developing a nuclear weapon without seeming to join the American "preemptive" war policy.
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Woodrow
10-04-2006, 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Keltoi
Either China is waiting for the U.S. to take some action or they are still hoping to stop North Korea from developing a nuclear weapon without seeming to join the American "preemptive" war policy.
I would say that both China and Japan have reason to fear Korea with Nukes. I think both are hoping that the US will step in and be the fall guy.
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north_malaysian
10-05-2006, 04:38 AM
I think after one of Asian countries get nuked by North Korea... then the America would come and invade North Korea.. WHY NOT NOW!!! :grumbling
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