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nishom
10-26-2006, 02:52 PM
We here about how technology is taking over every sphere of our lives.

Do you think a time will come when humans will be replaced by cyborgs?

I remember a month ago seeing on the news, the first woman to have a cybernetic arm-It was so freaky!!!!!
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DigitalStorm82
10-26-2006, 03:12 PM
I don't think so...

Hadith mention that the last battles will be fought by swords... Which clearly indicates the end of all technological advancements....

I'm guessing a nuclear 3rd world war which will wipe out all technology and we'll start from scratch.
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nishom
10-26-2006, 03:17 PM
In the current climate, with all the fuss about North Korea and Iran, this nuclear war looks closer.
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Fishman
10-26-2006, 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by DigitalStorm82
I don't think so...

Hadith mention that the last battles will be fought by swords... Which clearly indicates the end of all technological advancements....

I'm guessing a nuclear 3rd world war which will wipe out all technology and we'll start from scratch.
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Are you sure that the hadith is not simply using the word 'sword' to describe modern weapons to the Arabs? If the hadith said 'machine gun' or 'space laser', nobody would understand what it was saying. Allaah (swt) says that the Quran was revealled in Arabic so that the people would understand. People wouldn't know what these things are, and thus wouldn't understand.
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- Qatada -
10-26-2006, 03:23 PM
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When the Dajjaal sees him, he will start to melt like salt melting in water, but ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) will say to him, “I have some business with you, you will not get away from me.” Then he will catch up with him and will kill him with his spear.


http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...spear%20dajjal
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nishom
10-26-2006, 03:33 PM
Do you guys think that the American governmant is developing cyborg soldiers, which resemble humans but have super strength?

I heard this on talksport ages ago.

Also i heard that they are developing a weapon which obly kills people of a certain colour-to avoid the majority of their white soldiers being killed.
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Fishman
10-26-2006, 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by nishom
Do you guys think that the American governmant is developing cyborg soldiers, which resemble humans but have super strength?

I heard this on talksport ages ago.

Also i heard that they are developing a weapon which obly kills people of a certain colour-to avoid the majority of their white soldiers being killed.
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America already has robotic soldiers, there is a picture of one in New Scientist. They are not humanoid though, and look like beefed-up remote-control cars with guns strapped to the top.

And although I don't know about this racial weapon, South Africa made a few nukes in order to kill blacks. When Nelson Mandela took power, they were revealled to the public.
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nishom
10-26-2006, 03:47 PM
This is really scary stuff.
It makes you wonder why the US is making sure potentially dangerous countries dont acquire nuclear weapons, whilst having them themselves, and letting their allies such as Israel have them.
But-inevitably a friend will become a foe, and im sure one day Israel and the US will be at each other's throats.
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Woodrow
10-26-2006, 04:02 PM
The tecnology pretty much is in place to make cyborgs and to a certain extent it is being used to rebuild some severly disabled humans. Altough there are no people at the moment that have mechanical parts only, many people have a few non-human parts in their bodies. I'm thinking of the work that has been done with artificial limbs and to a lesser extent internal organs, eyes and ears.

It is just a matter of times before a person will willingly have all of his limbs replaced with mechanical componants. Sadly all good findings in science eventualy become developed into war devices.

Now, to answer the question as to if we will see cyborgs used as soldiers, at the present time it is cost prohibitive. For less costly to adapt a machine for control by any person than it is to make the person an integral part of the machine. Will the technology develop to make it feasible? I would agree with those that mentioned it we are more likly to destroy civilization as we know it through nuclear war and go back to square one in technology.

Historical throughout written history approximently 1/4 to 1/2 of the worlds population has been destroyed every 500 years, with a perod of dark ages setting in. We are long over due. Last time that happened was the "Bubonic Plague" that brought about the "Dark Ages" over 800 years ago. Right now all the factors are in place that a great destruction can happen at any moment.

Possibilities

Nuclear War

Global Warming

Pandemic Plague (several choices: AIDS, Small Pox, eboli virus, etc.)

Asteroid Impact


Hard to tell which one it will be, but it will happen. Just a matter of time.
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Fishman
10-26-2006, 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow

Possibilities

Nuclear War

Global Warming

Pandemic Plague (several choices: AIDS, Small Pox, eboli virus, etc.)

Asteroid Impact
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You forgot to put in volcanic eruption. We are long overdue for Yellowstone's next big explosion.
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Muezzin
10-26-2006, 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by nishom
We here about how technology is taking over every sphere of our lives.

Do you think a time will come when humans will be replaced by cyborgs?

I remember a month ago seeing on the news, the first woman to have a cybernetic arm-It was so freaky!!!!!
There already are cyborgs around. Anyone who has a pacemaker or an iron lung is a cyborg in that a machine is helping them to live on the biological level.

If you want to get really pedantic, human beings are now reliant on machines for just about everything.
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Woodrow
10-26-2006, 06:01 PM
It is really interesting to see how many times we developed tremendous technology and then lost it. This does not seem to be the first time in the history of mankind that this has be a possibility. I found this stuff a few minutes ago.

The 10 Most Puzzling Ancient Artifacts
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The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:

The Grooved Spheres
Over the last few decades, miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal spheres. Origin unknown, these spheres measure approximately an inch or so in diameter, and some are etched with three parallel grooves running around the equator. Two types of spheres have been found: one is composed of a solid bluish metal with flecks of white; the other is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance. The kicker is that the rock in which they where found is Precambrian - and dated to 2.8 billion years old! Who made them and for what purpose is unknown.

The Dropa Stones
In 1938, an archeological expedition led by Dr. Chi Pu Tei into the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of China made an astonishing discovery in some caves that had apparently been occupied by some ancient culture. Buried in the dust of ages on the cave floor were hundreds of stone disks. Measuring about nine inches in diameter, each had a circle cut into the center and was etched with a spiral groove, making it look for all the world like some ancient phonograph record some 10,000 to 12,000 years old. The spiral groove, it turns out, is actually composed of tiny hieroglyphics that tell the incredible story of spaceships from some distant world that crash-landed in the mountains. The ships were piloted by people who called themselves the Dropa, and the remains of whose descendents, possibly, were found in the cave.

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The Ica Stones
Beginning in the 1930s, the father of Dr. Javier Cabrera, Cultural Anthropologist for Ica, Peru, discovered many hundreds of ceremonial burial stones in the tombs of the ancient Incas. Dr. Cabrera, carrying on his father's work, has collected more than 1,100 of these andesite stones, which are estimated to be between 500 and 1,500 years old and have become known collectively as the Ica Stones. The stones bear etchings, many of which are sexually graphic (which was common to the culture), some picture idols and others depict such practices as open-heart surgery and brain transplants. The most astonishing etchings, however, clearly represent dinosaurs - brontosaurs, triceratops (see photo), stegosaurus and pterosaurs. While skeptics consider the Ica Stones a hoax, their authenticity has neither been proved or disproved.


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The Antikythera Mechanism
A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship's cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer's tool. An x-ray of the mechanism, however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost.


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The Baghdad Battery
Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here's a battery that's 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery, this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost... and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?


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The Coso Artifact
While mineral hunting in the mountains of California near Olancha during the winter of 1961, Wallace Lane, Virginia Maxey and Mike Mikesell found a rock, among many others, that they thought was a geode - a good addition for their gem shop. Upon cutting it open, however, Mikesell found an object inside that seemed to be made of white porcelain. In the center was a shaft of shiny metal. Experts estimated that it should have taken about 500,000 years for this fossil-encrusted nodule to form, yet the object inside was obviously of sophisticated human manufacture. Further investigation revealed that the porcelain was surround by a hexagonal casing, and an x-ray revealed a tiny spring at one end. Some who have examined the evidence say it looks very much like a modern-day spark plug. How did it get inside a 500,000-year-old rock?

Ancient Model Aircraft
There are artifacts belonging to ancient Egyptian and Central American cultures that look amazingly like modern-day aircraft. The Egyptian artifact, found in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt in 1898, is a six-inch wooden object that strongly resembles a model airplane, with fuselage, wings and tail. Experts believe the object is so aerodynamic that it is actually able to glide. The small object discovered in Central America (shown at right), and estimated to be 1,000 years old, is made of gold and could easily be mistaken for a model of a delta-wing aircraft - or even the Space Shuttle. It even features what looks like a pilot's seat.


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Giant Stone Balls of Costa Rica
Workmen hacking and burning their way through the dense jungle of Costa Rica to clear an area for banana plantations in the 1930s stumbled upon some incredible objects: dozens of stone balls, many of which were perfectly spherical. They varied in size from as small as a tennis ball to an astonishing 8 feet in diameter and weighing 16 tons! Although the great stone balls are clearly man-made, it is unknown who made them, for what purpose and, most puzzling, how they achieved such spherical precision.

Impossible Fossils
Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.

Out-of-Place Metal Objects
Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era. And there are many, many more such anomalies.

What are we to make of these finds? There are several possibilities:

* Intelligent humans date back much, much further than we realize.
* Other intelligent beings and civilizations existed on earth far beyond our recorded history.
* Our dating methods are completely inaccurate, and that stone, coal and fossils form much more rapidly than we now estimate.

In any case, these examples - and there are many more - should prompt any curious and open-minded scientist to reexamine and rethink the true history of life on earth.

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we may have valid arguements as to the dates these things were made, but I don't think we can deny that at many times in the past we were very highly techonologicaly advanced.
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Keltoi
10-26-2006, 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
The tecnology pretty much is in place to make cyborgs and to a certain extent it is being used to rebuild some severly disabled humans. Altough there are no people at the moment that have mechanical parts only, many people have a few non-human parts in their bodies. I'm thinking of the work that has been done with artificial limbs and to a lesser extent internal organs, eyes and ears.

It is just a matter of times before a person will willingly have all of his limbs replaced with mechanical componants. Sadly all good findings in science eventualy become developed into war devices.

Now, to answer the question as to if we will see cyborgs used as soldiers, at the present time it is cost prohibitive. For less costly to adapt a machine for control by any person than it is to make the person an integral part of the machine. Will the technology develop to make it feasible? I would agree with those that mentioned it we are more likly to destroy civilization as we know it through nuclear war and go back to square one in technology.

Historical throughout written history approximently 1/4 to 1/2 of the worlds population has been destroyed every 500 years, with a perod of dark ages setting in. We are long over due. Last time that happened was the "Bubonic Plague" that brought about the "Dark Ages" over 800 years ago. Right now all the factors are in place that a great destruction can happen at any moment.

Possibilities

Nuclear War

Global Warming

Pandemic Plague (several choices: AIDS, Small Pox, eboli virus, etc.)

Asteroid Impact


Hard to tell which one it will be, but it will happen. Just a matter of time.
Not to be picky Woodrow, but wouldn't you say that the fall of the Roman Empire led to the Dark Ages and not the plague?

On the issue of technology, I did see a report about robotic machines being implemented to detonate IED devices in Iraq, as well as a sort of mini-tank that can spot enemies and can be fired by remote control. I don't see any future where man becomes more machine than flesh, but as Woodrow mentioned, the use of artificial limbs and organs is already being developed at a rapid pace.
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Muslim Knight
12-09-2006, 10:43 AM
Black Death came around mid-late 14th century in Europe. Killed approx 2/3 of population.
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