The Lord's Prayer

[Rabi'ya]

:sl:

can someone provide info on the origin of the Lord's Prayer?

Where it came from, who said it first, when it was first said, and how its been preserved?

thanks

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Rabi'ya:rose:

[Umar001]

it's biblical as far as I know, the authors of the Gospels, wrote it.

[Rabi'ya]

:sl:

oh ok.....im wondering if anyone can give me references etc, or point me in the right direction inshallah

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Rabi'ya:rose:

[duskiness]

Matthew 6, 5-15
sorry, I can't write more now..

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[Umar001]

It's in more than one gospel :) but its pretty much the same in all i think.

[Woodrow]

The origen of it goes back quite aways. It is very similat to the Hebrew Qaddish. The original Aramaid form of it has very little resemblnce to today's version.

The Earliest Aramaic form which was the form used by John the Baptist (as) and was most likely the version used by Isa(as).

Abwûn
"Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

d'bwaschmâja
who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

Nethkâdasch schmach
May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

Têtê malkuthach.
Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
just as on earth (that is material and dense).

Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna
daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.
detach the fetters of faults that bind us, (karma)
like we let go the guilt of others.

Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

ela patzân min bischa.
but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.

Amên.
Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
(I confirm with my entire being)

Source: http://www.thenazareneway.com/lords_prayer.htm

[Umar001]

Sister maybe if u say what u need it for or something maybe we can help more? school project? :p

[Woodrow]

It really hasn't been preserved very well, especialy the English versions. I had found a history of it awhile back and was astonished at the changes it has undergone in English.

The original Old English form was:

Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum si þin nama gehalgod tobecume þin rice gewurþe þin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofonum urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us to dæg and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice.

As English developed that became:

Oure fadir þat art in heuenes halwid be þi name;
þi reume or kyngdom come to be.
Be þi wille don in herþe as it is doun in heuene.
yeue to us today oure eche dayes bred.
And foryeue to us oure dettis þat is oure synnys as we foryeuen to oure dettouris þat is to men þat han synned in us.
And lede us not into temptacion but delyuere us from euyl.

By 1611 English began to resemble todays English and the popular form was:

Our father which art in heauen,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth as it is in heauen.
Giue us this day our daily bread.
And forgiue us our debts as we forgiue our debters.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliuer us from euill.
Amen.


In the 1700s the last phrase was added and it became the now familiar:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

In 1963 another version came about, that may eventualy replace todays popular version:

Our Heavenly Father, may your name be honored;
May your kingdom come, and your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day the bread we need,
Forgive us what we owe to you, as we have also forgiven those who owe anything to us.
Keep us clear of temptation, and save us from evil.

The source for this is the same link I posted above:

http://www.thenazareneway.com/lords_prayer.htm

[Rabi'ya]

Sister maybe if u say what u need it for or something maybe we can help more? school project? :p

:sl: brother

just for my own information. i was thinking about it last night....coz there was a book on Isa(as) in the house, and i was reading it. i got thinking about Christianity. one thing led to another adn i just ended up wondering where the Lord's Prayer had come from.....

:giggling:lol@ school project!!! im 22!!! lmao

Brother Woodrow, jazakAllah kheir for your info, very helpful alhamdulillah.

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Rabi'ya:rose:

[Umar001]

Well share the knowledge, is it a book you recommend? what did it say, teach me something :)

And u sure its not for a project lol

[Rabi'ya]

:sl:

nah its def not for a school project, just for myself :)

the book is called "We believe in Jesus" maybe uve read it...its one of those da'wah books.basically goes thru the life of Jesus(as) from an Islamic perpctive....

Ive got 2 copies, ill send u one if u havent got it inshallah

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Rabi'ya:rose:

[Umar001]

who is it by? sounds pretty interesting.

EDIT: And am glad your reading about Eesa, very beautiful man he is! peace be upon him.

[Rabi'ya]

:sl:

its by Soliman H al-But'he

in the back of the book it sez for further info contact Al-Haramain foundation www.alharamain.org (i havent checked the site, so dont blame me if anythigns worng there inshallah)

^^^dats the book
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Rabi'ya:rose:

[Umar001]

OH ok, and the site dont work :p lol

seems like a nice book, so what have ya learnt from it sis.


Is this it?

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/co...lievejesus.htm

[Rabi'ya]

:sl:

bro, were going a little off topic :offtopic: but inshallah ill learn from further questioning.....the basics story i was familiar with anyway.

Ive been trying to familliarise myself with the stories of the prophets fr sometime, so inshallah this is a step in the right direction. just tryna increase my knowledge inshAllah

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Rabi'ya:rose:

PS get back on topic:)

[Umar001]

Oh I see, anyhow, theres abook about the stories of the prophets, by Ibn Kathir, if your interested I can try find a link I downloaded it a while back its pretty nice.

And what more would you like to know?

Where it came from,

According to the Bible, Jesus said it when he was teaching his disciples how to pray.

Matthew 6: (from the NIV)

Prayer
5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

who said it first,

Jesus

when it was first said,

I doubt anyone knows any dates.


and how its been preserved?

Well it has come through the Gospels in the Bible so you'd have to look at how they have been preserved.

[Umm Khalid06]

sister i will say this book is the best book:)

i love this book and well me i did not know nothing about them and it has given me such a good understanding;D

[Umar001]

Salam aleykum sister Lilly, long time no see if your the sister Im thinkin of

Anyhow, thats the book I meant! its so nice. MashaAllah

[Rabi'ya]

mashAllah, dats the exact same book ive borrowed off my sis in law to read....its such a good book. ive learnt a lot

its nice to read some others sometimes tho :)

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Rabi'ya:rose:

[Umm Khalid06]

thank you brother and sister i know it is a good book;D :happy: