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nishom
11-02-2006, 12:26 PM
Allah Almighty did mention dinosaurs in the Noble Quran. While the word "dinosaurs" is a modern word that refers to the gigantic animals that existed perhaps millions of years ago, Allah Almighty referred to all created "beasts" as "dabbah". A "dabbah" in the Noble Quran consists of all animals, including the dinosaurs.

"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. (The Noble Quran, 2:164)"

"He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs. (The Noble Quran, 31:10)"

Notice in Noble Verse 31:10, Allah Almighty said that He created the mountains to prevent the earth from shaking (which had been scientifically proven to be true. and then after that He, the Almighty, created beasts and scattered them throughout the land. These first beasts that were created before mankind may be what we call today "dinosaurs".
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Malaikah
11-02-2006, 12:29 PM
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Um, how do you know that its is in chronological order?

This sounds like wisful thinking to me... unless you can provide more proof.
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nishom
11-02-2006, 12:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by cheese
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Um, how do you know that its is in chronological order?

This sounds like wisful thinking to me... unless you can provide more proof.
These are not my views, i got the info from
answeringchriatianity.com
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nishom
11-02-2006, 12:46 PM
DID DINOSAURS EXIST?

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This is an article form
contenderministries.org

While dinosaurs figure prominently in evolutionary discourse, we must not be tempted to “throw the baby out with the bathwater”. Evolution is a faulty theory based on a faulty premise, but dinosaurs did indeed exist. That they did exist is evident in the fossil record, and you will see a passage from the Bible that could be referring to dinosaurs.

As I said, the fossil record gives evidence of the existence of dinosaurs. Intact fossils have been unearthed, and their very large footprints have been discovered as well. According to the evolutionists, dinosaurs lived hundreds of millions of years ago, becoming extinct 60 million years before humans walked the earth. There is no science behind the age approximations though, and they actually contradict the fossil record. Scientists in the former Soviet Union, as well as in Arizona, have unearthed dinosaur tracks and human tracks in the same layers of the same rock. This would be impossible if dinosaurs had died out millions of years before man.

God created dinosaurs, just as he created man. Evidence indicates that dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood. Did Noah take dinosaurs on the ark? The Bible tells us that Noah did what he was told, so that indicates that he did indeed bring dinosaurs on the ark. Some species of dinosaurs were quite aquatic, and would not have needed to ride on the ark. As for the others, Noah probably selected young dinosaurs. He would have done this for two reasons: young dinosaurs would be smaller, and thus more suited to life on the ark, and they would also present the best choices for being able to reproduce after the flood. Why did they then die after the flood? Probably due to the scarcity of the foods that were previously staple nutrients for the dinosaurs.

One of the oldest books of the Bible – Job – mentions creatures that were most likely dinosaurs. The book of Job was probably written around 2,000 years before Jesus was born. The Bible's best description of a dinosaur-like animal is recorded in Job chapter 40. "Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."(Job 40:15-19) The behemoth were not afraid. They did not need to be; they were huge. Their tails were so long and strong that God compared them to cedars - one of the largest and most spectacular trees of the ancient world. Some Bible scholars think this passage refers to elephants or hippopotami. This is incongruent with the description though, as elephants and hippopotami have tails like ropes or cords, not like “cedars” as described in Job. The next chapter of Job talks about another huge, fierce animal – a sea monster named Leviathan. It was not a whale or crocodile, because the Hebrew language had other words to describe such animals. Leviathan may be a plesiosaur – a large, seagoing reptile that evolutionists say became extinct 60 million years before man evolved.

The evolutionists have certainly identified more species of dinosaur than ever actually lived. Evolutionists too often use partial skeletons to develop artistic renditions of some amazing creatures. Archaeopteryx was, for a long time, championed as a transitional form between reptiles and birds. Even evolutions now dispute that claim, as fossils of modern birds have been discovered in deeper layers of the earth. Furthermore, many skeletons have been fashioned from bones found fifty feet apart and dozens of feet separated in depth!

Dinosaurs did exist. They did not evolve over millions of years, though. They sprang suddenly onto the planet, probably on the same day during which God created man. Dinosaurs became extinct almost as suddenly. Evolutionists who insist that dinosaurs evolved cannot support that claim, as there are no transitional forms (fossils that show one species changing to another) to submit into evidence.
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Malaikah
11-02-2006, 12:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nishom
Dinosaurs did exist. They did not evolve over millions of years, though. They sprang suddenly onto the planet, probably on the same day during which God created man. Dinosaurs became extinct almost as suddenly. Evolutionists who insist that dinosaurs evolved cannot support that claim, as there are no transitional forms (fossils that show one species changing to another) to submit into evidence.
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What on earth was that point of that article?! And honestly, what proof does this person have that dinasours "sprang suddenly onto the planet"?? Just because God created Adam (AS) as a complete human form, it doesnt mean that dinasours where created in the same way!

There is no evidence from the Quran and hadith to suggest that animals did not evolve, as far as I am aware, only that humans did not evolve.
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Muhammad
11-02-2006, 01:05 PM
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It is important to refer to the scholars of tafseer when trying to understand the meaning of the Qur'an. Whether or not the verses include dinosaurs in their meaning is known only to Allaah; let us then focus on what is more beneficial and evident to us Insha'Allaah.

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Salmaan
11-02-2006, 01:16 PM
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There is nothing in Islam specifically mentioning, by name, the Bermuda triangle, dinosaurs, asteroids, extra-terrestrials, etc, but their existence doesn't contradict with any of the Islamic teachings. As you know, the Qur'an is not a scientific and cultural book recording historical events and describing animals or other creatures. Rather, it is a book of guidance and advice that takes people from darkness and ignorance toward knowledge, enlightenment and faith. Still, the Qur'an has dealt with many subjects such as astronomy, geology, and the world of jinn etc. However, the objective behind mentioning such facts is to show that Allah has the Will and Power to create anything He wants for people to reflect on His Greatness. In this respect the Qur'an should not be considered as a scientific or academic guidebook. While the dinosaur and other natural phenomena and creatures are not specifically mentioned in the Qur'an, Allah states in the Qur'an in Surah Al-Anbiya' (The Prophets)(21) verse 16: 'We didn't create the heavens and the earth and all that is between them for a (mere) play'. Therefore, their existence must have an important role in the development and evolution of our world and the entire universe. In addition, famous interpreters of the Qur'an, such as al-Allousi (died in 1850 a.d.) state that there are several verses that may support the idea (it is yet to become mainstream knowledge) of the existence of other beings and creatures outside the earth. Among these verses are: Surah an-Nahl (16) verse 8: "And (He has created) horses, mules, and donkeys, for you to ride and use for show; and He has created (other) things of which ye have no knowledge.". Al-Allousi comments in 14/102-103 that the disbelievers are not better than the believers who have no doubts about the existence of creations of God that we (humans) don't know about (but which we believe in their existence). Another verse is in Surah Ta-Ha (20) verse 6: "To Him belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all beneath the soil.". Al-Allousi further says (16/161) that what is "between them" are the creatures in the air and the clouds (that is: above humans) that we don't know about. A third verse is in Surah ash-Shoura (42) verse 29: "And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills." Here, al-Allousi further explains that it is not unlikely that creatures in the entire heavens do exist with different shapes and looks. Having stated this, it is always important to understand that these verses are not specific proofs of the existence of Extra-terrestrials, but if scientific evidence proves their existence, then, they would be totally in line with Islamic teachings. Please note that a verse in the Qur'an should not be interpreted (or stretched out) with meanings beyond what it can handle.

Allah knows best.
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