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Goku
11-06-2006, 05:52 PM
American Muslims, will you vote republican or democrats? If I was an amercan citizen, i'd vote for democrats, since republicans caused a humanitarian crisis in Iraq and authorise CIA torture and are incompetant.
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`Abd al-Azeez
11-07-2006, 12:51 AM
Even tho I'm too young to vote, none! They're all thieves and liers prejudiced against Islam and Muslims.
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Woodrow
11-07-2006, 01:19 AM
To be honest I doubt if we will see much of a voter turn out here in Texas. There does not seem to be any major issues up for vote, here in Texas. I will most likely vote for the incumbants rather than any party lines.

I believe the State to watch is going to be Minnesota, as for the first time in US history a Muslim is a candidate for public office. Plus Minnesota is going to be involved in a number of elections, so I believe they will have a very large voter turnout.

Not many states seem to be having any major issues during this midterm election. A few States will be electing Senators. I suspect there will be a few New faces in Washington as a result of that.

The States having Elections.

Senate: Arizona | California | Connecticut | Delaware | Florida | Hawaii | Indiana | Maine | Maryland | Massachusetts | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi | Missouri | Montana | Nebraska | Nevada | New Jersey | New Mexico | New York | North Dakota | Ohio | Pennsylvania | Rhode Island | Tennessee | Texas | Utah | Vermont | Virginia | Washington | West Virginia | Wisconsin | Wyoming


House: Alabama | Alaska | Arizona | Arkansas | California | Colorado | Connecticut | Delaware | Florida | Georgia | Hawaii | Idaho | Illinois | Indiana | Iowa | Kansas | Kentucky | Louisiana | Maine | Maryland | Massachusetts | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi | Missouri | Montana | Nebraska | Nevada | New Hampshire | New Jersey | New Mexico | New York | North Carolina | North Dakota | Ohio | Oklahoma | Oregon | Pennsylvania | Rhode Island | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee | Texas | Utah | Vermont | Virginia | Washington | West Virginia | Wisconsin | Wyoming


Governors: Alabama | Alaska | Arizona | Arkansas | California | Colorado | Connecticut | Florida | Georgia | Hawaii | Idaho | Illinois | Iowa | Kansas | Maine | Maryland | Massachusetts | Michigan | Minnesota | Nebraska | Nevada | New Hampshire | New Mexico | New York | Ohio | Oklahoma | Oregon | Pennsylvania | Rhode Island | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee | Texas | Vermont | Wisconsin | Wyoming


State: Alabama | Alaska | Arizona | Arkansas | California | Colorado | Connecticut | Delaware | Florida | Georgia | Hawaii | Idaho | Illinois | Indiana | Iowa | Kansas | Kentucky | Louisiana | Maine | Maryland | Massachusetts | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi | Missouri | Montana | Nebraska | Nevada | New Hampshire | New Jersey | New Mexico | New York | North Carolina | North Dakota | Ohio | Oklahoma | Oregon | Pennsylvania | Rhode Island | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee | Texas | Utah | Vermont | Virginia | Washington | West Virginia | Wisconsin | Wyoming
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north_malaysian
11-07-2006, 04:13 AM
I cant vote.... LOL!!!

But I've seen Larry King Live yesterday, is it true that if Democrats control the House... they'll vote for impeachment against Bush?

If Democrats win.... is it important or what?
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thirdwatch512
11-07-2006, 04:15 AM
i'm not muslim, but democrat totally!

it's wierd that muslims vote democrat though, as most muslims don't support abortion or gay marriage.. hmm.
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north_malaysian
11-07-2006, 04:20 AM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
i'm not muslim, but democrat totally!

it's wierd that muslims vote democrat though, as most muslims don't support abortion or gay marriage.. hmm.
From what I've heard, before 9/11 Muslims are hard core Republican supporters....

My personal conclusion is that, maybe the American Muslims think that it's better to have a govt that support abortion, same sex marriage then having a government invading and killing Muslims...
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Woodrow
11-07-2006, 01:50 PM
Our political parties are not quite as cut and dry as all of that. Very few people are strictly one party. We have no guarantee that any candidate will adhere to any party lines after being elected, Many voters will vote mixed tickets based on the candidate and not on the party. Keep in mind Kennedy was a Democrat and was very anti-abortion.

Here in texas the trend seems to be to vote Democrat for local officials, Republican for State and a mix for Federal spots. However, that all depends on the candidate.

Most of us don't expect or even want our elected people to stick to any party line.

In this midterm election I do not believe there will be enough seat elections in Washington to make any major changes. It takes 6 years to make for a full change in the House, senate and President. Not all seats are up for election at the same time.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Many voters will vote mixed tickets based on the candidate and not on the party.
Which is good.... in Malaysia people USUALLY vote based on the party... even if they put a cow to contest under the political party.... that cow will be voted too
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 03:37 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Which is good.... in Malaysia people USUALLY vote based on the party... even if they put a cow to contest under the political party.... that cow will be voted too
That still does hold true with some of the older voters here. However, over the years the 2 major parties have become so similar that it is often difficult to see any difference. Also, like here in the Southern States we have a few that are traditionaly Democratic so it is not all that uncommon for a republican to run for office on the Democratic ticket. In louisiana often the local elections will be between several Democrats with no Republican candidate. A friend of mine was a former Louisiana Governor. Although he was Republican he ran as a Democrat. After election nearly all of his political appointments were Republican.

Many of us feel it is time for a third party to become viable as an alternative to both Democrats and Republicans. We usually do have several smaller parties placing candidates, but they seldom have any support and often the candidates are radicals. remember in the US anybody can run for election, it is not closed to just Democrats and Republicans.
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thirdwatch512
11-08-2006, 03:41 AM
Oh, you live in austin? so do i lol. go chris bell!

@northmalaysian - america, politically has a two sided spectrum, and that's about all. for the most part, you are either republican or democrat lol. alothough the libertarian party is on the rise, for the most part, you're either or. and so yeah, you don't see a huge diverse political arena or whatever you want to call it here as you do in like the UK or the netherlands or even canada.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 03:41 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
That still does hold true with some of the older voters here. However, over the years the 2 major parties have become so similar that it is often difficult to see any difference. Also, like here in the Southern States we have a few that are traditionaly Democratic so it is not all that uncommon for a republican to run for office on the Democratic ticket. In louisiana often the local elections will be between several Democrats with no Republican candidate. A friend of mine was a former Louisiana Governor. Although he was Republican he ran as a Democrat. After election nearly all of his political appointments were Republican.

Many of us feel it is time for a third party to become viable as an alternative to both Democrats and Republicans. We usually do have several smaller parties placing candidates, but they seldom have any support and often the candidates are radicals. remember in the US anybody can run for election, it is not closed to just Democrats and Republicans.

But as the world sees it... it's obvious.. to be either Republican or Democrat... and yeah that Nader guy, from Green party isnt it?

How's the result right now?
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 03:46 AM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
Oh, you live in austin? so do i lol. go chris bell!

@northmalaysian - america, politically has a two sided spectrum, and that's about all. for the most part, you are either republican or democrat lol. alothough the libertarian party is on the rise, for the most part, you're either or. and so yeah, you don't see a huge diverse political arena or whatever you want to call it here as you do in like the UK or the netherlands or even canada.
Before 1999 elections, we have like 3,4 parties fighting for one constituency. After the "Reformasi" ("Reformation" in Malay), PAS (Islamists), Keadilan (Reformists), DAP (Secular Democrats) and PRM (Socialists) united and formed "Barisan Alternatif" (Alternative Front) to go against "Barisan Nasional" (National Front). It's a good alliance back then, even they failed to govern the country.
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 04:04 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
But as the world sees it... it's obvious.. to be either Republican or Democrat... and yeah that Nader guy, from Green party isnt it?

How's the result right now?
Right now the early results for Texas are just now coming in. So far I have not seen any significant Changes in any counties . So far it appears that the incumbants on the county level will remain. The majority are Democrats. There were very few incumbant republicans and it looks like they are being re-elected.
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Dahir
11-08-2006, 04:18 AM
I, like many others, cannot vote, but my support goes to the Democrats.

At this point, we need change, ANY kind of change.

And when outsourcing, public debt, and other economic problems plague our country, its very rare that gay marriage or abortion is on our minds.

As for Minnesota, the Muslim candidate, Keith Ellison -- he's a bit TOO Liberal; in high support of gay marriage, and he's even FOUGHT for it! And he's been shown to have a strange voting record, even voting socialist/communist a few years! He's very shady and he's also been using the Muslim community as a backbone lately, even though I haven't been compensated, YET!

:uhwhat
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 04:21 AM
Originally Posted by Dahir
I, like many others, cannot vote, but my support goes to the Democrats.
Do you support Democrats before 9/11?
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 04:28 AM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
Oh, you live in austin? so do i lol. go chris bell!
@northmalaysian - america, politically has a two sided spectrum, and that's about all. for the most part, you are either republican or democrat lol. alothough the libertarian party is on the rise, for the most part, you're either or. and so yeah, you don't see a huge diverse political arena or whatever you want to call it here as you do in like the UK or the netherlands or even canada.
Although it looks like Perry will return. I think Kinky Friedman would have been a very colorull choice.

For the curious here is a link to ongoing results in all of the States. I have not seen any real changes as of yet.

RACE NAME PARTY EARLY VOTES PERCENT TOTAL VOTES PERCENT
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 04:33 AM
The page cannot be displayed.


I've been watching CNN's "Broken Government" programme last week... How about other American media? Are they pro-Democrats, or pro-Republicans, or neutral (We could only watch CNN, CNBC here...)
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 04:35 AM
Originally Posted by Dahir
I, like many others, cannot vote, but my support goes to the Democrats.

At this point, we need change, ANY kind of change.

And when outsourcing, public debt, and other economic problems plague our country, its very rare that gay marriage or abortion is on our minds.

As for Minnesota, the Muslim candidate, Keith Ellison -- he's a bit TOO Liberal; in high support of gay marriage, and he's even FOUGHT for it! And he's been shown to have a strange voting record, even voting socialist/communist a few years! He's very shady and he's also been using the Muslim community as a backbone lately, even though I haven't been compensated, YET!

:uhwhat
With 90% of the vote counted Keith Ellison is the projected winner in a near landslide.



Keith Ellison Democrat 120,926 (56%)
Tammy Lee Independence 45,797 (21%)
Alan Fine Republican 45,486 (21%)
Jay Pond Green 4,312 (2%)

No matter what anyone's opinions are about Ellison, this does indicate that Muslims are a very powerful political force here in the US.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 04:37 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
With 90% of the vote counted Keith Ellison is the projected winner in a near landslide.



Keith Ellison Democrat 120,926 (56%)
Tammy Lee Independence 45,797 (21%)
Alan Fine Republican 45,486 (21%)
Jay Pond Green 4,312 (2%)
So he would be like.... the first muslim as ....?
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 04:43 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
The page cannot be displayed.


I've been watching CNN's "Broken Government" programme last week... How about other American media? Are they pro-Democrats, or pro-Republicans, or neutral (We could only watch CNN, CNBC here...)

Sorry about the broken link, here is another try.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/youd...ker/index.html

I would say that the media is very divided. Most of the legitimate news agancies do seem to try to keep neutral. You have to remember that any media that favors just one political view is going to have a limited audience. The name of the game is profit, so much of the media will strife to be neutral simply for a larger audience and higher profits.
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 04:47 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
So he would be like.... the first muslim as ....?
First Muslim Congressman. A very primary lawmaker. Of course being the new kid on the block he will run into stiff opossision from fellow congressmen and it is rare for a Junior congressmen to ever get appointed to any committees. However, it is a very big and very loud first footstep.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Sorry about the broken link, here is another try.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/youd...ker/index.html

I would say that the media is very divided. Most of the legitimate news agancies do seem to try to keep neutral. You have to remember that any media that favors just one political view is going to have a limited audience. The name of the game is profit, so much of the media will strife to be neutral simply for a larger audience and higher profits.
Something... I wished for Malaysian media to do.... just to be neutral.... But it seems like it would never happen...:cry:
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
First Muslim Congressman. A very primary lawmaker. Of course being the new kid on the block he will run into stiff opossision from fellow congressmen and it is rare for a Junior congressmen to ever get appointed to any committees. However, it is a very big and very loud first footstep.
At least the world can see that Muslims do involve in American politics...
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 04:58 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Something... I wished for Malaysian media to do.... just to be neutral.... But it seems like it would never happen...:cry:
Just curious in Malaysia is the Media State supported. Here it is strictly a private business and operates only on profit from sales and advertisements. Any media that does not produce a profit will not last. In order to make a profit it is necessary to attract an audience, the larger the audience the more profit. any biased media will have a limited audience.

Yes, some of the media agencies do favor one political view over another, but they do not seem to last very long.
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syilla
11-08-2006, 05:16 AM
I'm not sure i should agree with nm statement....

well...theoritically the media supports the government...

but still there is some coverage of bribery, undercover stories...that lead to the some politicians...

anyway...if we do not control the media...there will be a problem in creating a harmony and a united country...

i think everyone knows that in islam harmony and unity of the ummah is the most important matter...like the example of the prophet story regarding the taraweeh...
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thirdwatch512
11-08-2006, 05:41 AM
Originally Posted by Dahir
I, like many others, cannot vote, but my support goes to the Democrats.

At this point, we need change, ANY kind of change.

And when outsourcing, public debt, and other economic problems plague our country, its very rare that gay marriage or abortion is on our minds.

As for Minnesota, the Muslim candidate, Keith Ellison -- he's a bit TOO Liberal; in high support of gay marriage, and he's even FOUGHT for it! And he's been shown to have a strange voting record, even voting socialist/communist a few years! He's very shady and he's also been using the Muslim community as a backbone lately, even though I haven't been compensated, YET!

:uhwhat

so is supporting gay marriage wrong? i'm not sure if you live in america, but if you do, especially if you are a woman who wears a hijab, you have more then likely been discriminated against. well think about how much gays have been discriminated against. both gays and muslims have been targets of predjudice, yet you continue to not support gays? wow.

anyways, now about kieth ellison.. so what if he's muslim. religion shouldn't matter in politics. :)
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Just curious in Malaysia is the Media State supported. Here it is strictly a private business and operates only on profit from sales and advertisements. Any media that does not produce a profit will not last. In order to make a profit it is necessary to attract an audience, the larger the audience the more profit. any biased media will have a limited audience.

Yes, some of the media agencies do favor one political view over another, but they do not seem to last very long.
1) TV1, TV2 - owned by the Government

2) TV3, NTV7, 8TV, TV9 - private tv channels owned by Media Prima (largest shareholder is the ruling party UMNO)

3) ASTRO channels - private tv channels owned by Ananda Krishnan (a close friend to the PM)

Conclusion:- ?????
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E'jaazi
11-08-2006, 05:46 AM
Voting in Democratic elections is haram. If anyone wants the proof, I will post it for you. But the scholars, in short, have ruled that it is haram to vote for a system and for people who legislate by other than what Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alyhe wa Sallam) have ordained. I know many people will put forth the arguement that we live in a democratic society, but the does not excuse us from our loyalty to Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) have told us to do and what we should avoid.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by syilla
I'm not sure i should agree with nm statement....

well...theoritically the media supports the government...

but still there is some coverage of bribery, undercover stories...that lead to the some politicians...

anyway...if we do not control the media...there will be a problem in creating a harmony and a united country...

i think everyone knows that in islam harmony and unity of the ummah is the most important matter...like the example of the prophet story regarding the taraweeh...
I just want independent and neutral media like USA have...
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 05:48 AM
Originally Posted by blackjubba
Voting in Democratic elections is haram. If anyone wants the proof, I will post it for you. But the scholars, in short, have ruled that it is haram to vote for a system and for people who legislate by other than what Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alyhe wa Sallam) have ordained. I know many people will put forth the arguement that we live in a democratic society, but the does not excuse us from our loyalty to Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) have told us to do and what we should avoid.
How the Non Muslim government could cater the need of their muslim minorities ... if the muslims are not represented in the government...
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*noor
11-08-2006, 05:51 AM
I turned 18 around the same time that voters registration forms were due so I didn't get a chance to register this year and therefore I didn't vote. But if you ask me, I don't think I would have voted for either Republican or Democrat. I agree with neither. I would have looked for another option there.
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E'jaazi
11-08-2006, 05:52 AM
I just went back and read the ruling. There are some who believe that it is okay to vote in these elections only if it is in the best interest of the muslims. Well, America does not have the interest of the Muslims in mind. In the last Presidential elections, I went to 2 muslim websites, each supporting either Kerry or Bush. When I asked what they thought either one would do for the muslims, I received no response. Almost 4 years later, they have done nothing, except invade muslim countries and spread kuffar and mayhem throughout the land. "What is in their hearts, is worse than what comes out of theirs mouths!"
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thirdwatch512
11-08-2006, 05:53 AM
Originally Posted by *noor
I turned 18 around the same time that voters registration forms were due so I didn't get a chance to register this year and therefore I didn't vote. But if you ask me, I don't think I would have voted for either Republican or Democrat. I agree with neither. I would have looked for another option there.
hah there are none.

greens are just an ultra liberal version of democrats.

libertarians are liberal on social issues, conservative economically.. basically for lots of personal freedom, and little government and small taxes.
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Malaikah
11-08-2006, 05:54 AM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
so is supporting gay marriage wrong? i'm not sure if you live in america, but if you do, especially if you are a woman who wears a hijab, you have more then likely been discriminated against. well think about how much gays have been discriminated against. both gays and muslims have been targets of predjudice, yet you continue to not support gays? wow.
So? Theres a difference between being discriminated against when you are the one who is in the right (Muslims) compared to when you are in the wrong (homosexuals). Why should we support something we are against? :?
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 05:55 AM
Originally Posted by blackjubba
I just went back and read the ruling. There are some who believe that it is okay to vote in these elections only if it is in the best interest of the muslims. Well, America does not have the interest of the Muslims in mind. In the last Presidential elections, I went to 2 muslim websites, each supporting either Kerry or Bush. When I asked what they thought either one would do for the muslims, I received no response. Almost 4 years later, they have done nothing, except invade muslim countries and spread kuffar and mayhem throughout the land. "What is in their hearts, is worse than what comes out of theirs mouths!"
At least USA now have 1 Muslim congressman.
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E'jaazi
11-08-2006, 05:55 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
How the Non Muslim government could cater the need of their muslim minorities ... if the muslims are not represented in the government...

Do you honestly think that a Muslim elected office in this country, is going to serve the Muslims while in that office? Will he be able to make his decisions based on Qu'ran & Sunnah, or will his decisions be based on the rules of men? You already know what the answer is.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 05:56 AM
Originally Posted by blackjubba
Do you honestly think that a Muslim elected office in this country, is going to serve the Muslims while in that office? Will he be able to make his decisions based on Qu'ran & Sunnah, or will his decisions be based on the rules of men? You already know what the answer is.
USA just picked one muslim man to be a congressman.... just wait and see...
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*noor
11-08-2006, 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by cheese
Why should we support something we are against? :?
i agree

just because two groups are both not in the favor of the majority, that doesn't mean that if one joins the other one because they are in an ironically similar situation that everything will be solved.
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thirdwatch512
11-08-2006, 05:59 AM
Originally Posted by cheese
So? Theres a difference between being discriminated against when you are the one who is in the right (Muslims) compared to when you are in the wrong (homosexuals). Why should we support something we are against? :?
you think you are right.. and gays think they are right. and non muslims/gays think they are right.

you know, i'm just saying, you shouldn't discriminate. i used to be so predjducie against you name it.. african americans, immigrants, and i was even homophobic [although i am gay lol.] i also HATED muslims.. i have been banned from islamic boards for being so rude.

however, i one day just woke up and said "why am i so predjudice?" and i had no explanation. now, i am all about tolerance and acceptance. i walked out on may 1st for the immigrants, have been at many gay rights parades and participate in the day of silence, and went to a candalight vigil a month or so ago for the victims in iraq. and i am so much happier knowing i love people and don't discriminate over little things.
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thirdwatch512
11-08-2006, 06:00 AM
Originally Posted by *noor
i agree

just because two groups are both not in the favor of the majority, that doesn't mean that if one joins the other one because they are in an ironically similar situation that everything will be solved.
no, but i think that saying it's wrong for people to discriminate against muslims but it's all right to discriminate against gays is just crazy. why pick? why not be tolerant of ALL?
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 06:01 AM
Originally Posted by blackjubba
Voting in Democratic elections is haram. If anyone wants the proof, I will post it for you. But the scholars, in short, have ruled that it is haram to vote for a system and for people who legislate by other than what Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alyhe wa Sallam) have ordained. I know many people will put forth the arguement that we live in a democratic society, but the does not excuse us from our loyalty to Allah and His Messenger (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) have told us to do and what we should avoid.
I have no doubt that what I have put in red is correct. Now, the question is what about in a system where the people have the right to introduce Islamic law as a voting proposistion. Which is what is possible under modern Democracy. If a proposistion were introduced on a US ballot to change the constitution to Sharia law would Muslims be forbidden to vote for it?
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 06:03 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
I have no doubt that what I have put in red is correct. Now, the question is what about in a system where the people have the right to introduce Islamic law as a voting proposistion. Which is what is possible under modern Democracy. If a proposistion were introduced on a US ballot to change the constitution to Sharia law would Muslims be forbidden to vote for it?
good point.. sorry I cant give you reps this time ... it ask me to spread to others first...
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E'jaazi
11-08-2006, 06:07 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
USA just picked one muslim man to be a congressman.... just wait and see...
I live in the USA and I don't have to wait and see. I already know that the answer is no. The USA talks about freedom of choice to the rest of the world, but here, they actually try and stop us from practicing the Sunnah. Trust me. The Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) told us not to imitate a people, or we are of them. Go to msn.com and take a look at the picture of the Brother who won office. Does he look like a muslim who follows the sunnah, or does he look the part of the office he was trying to win? If I was running for office, I would still have my beard and I would still dress according to the Sunnah. Why? Because Allah has told us so.
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 06:23 AM
Originally Posted by blackjubba
I live in the USA and I don't have to wait and see. I already know that the answer is no. The USA talks about freedom of choice to the rest of the world, but here, they actually try and stop us from practicing the Sunnah. Trust me. The Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) told us not to imitate a people, or we are of them. Go to msn.com and take a look at the picture of the Brother who won office. Does he look like a muslim who follows the sunnah, or does he look the part of the office he was trying to win? If I was running for office, I would still have my beard and I would still dress according to the Sunnah. Why? Because Allah has told us so.
Apparantly you do not live in Austin. Here we are making large inroads into changes in the city. The Mosques are growing at a fast rate. Reverts are on the increase and soon we will be in need of new Mosques. So far we have not had any Muslims run for public office that I know of, but it is just a matter of time and it will be Muslims with beards and who follow the Sunnah.

The University of Texas here (A State College) has an entire Islamic Department dedicated to such things as Qur'anic studies and Sharia law, all taught by Islamic scholars.

Islamic Studies
The Islamic Studies Program at The University of Texas offers a unique bachelor's degree program. The program includes core courses on Islamic Studies while allowing students the flexibility to choose from a broad selection of related courses in Islam and Muslim society offered in a variety of departments. The course of study is designed for students who plan to continue their education at the graduate level in Islamic Studies or related disciplines, as well as for students who are interested in obtaining this BA before going on to other fields or professions. The university also allows for a dual major program with Islamic Studies as one of the majors. While the program currently offers a BA, a graduate program is currently being developed.
Source: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/mes/islamic/
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 06:36 AM
Originally Posted by blackjubba
I live in the USA and I don't have to wait and see. I already know that the answer is no. The USA talks about freedom of choice to the rest of the world, but here, they actually try and stop us from practicing the Sunnah. Trust me. The Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) told us not to imitate a people, or we are of them. Go to msn.com and take a look at the picture of the Brother who won office. Does he look like a muslim who follows the sunnah, or does he look the part of the office he was trying to win? If I was running for office, I would still have my beard and I would still dress according to the Sunnah. Why? Because Allah has told us so.
Many islamist candidates in various elections in Malaysia, Indonesia, Egypt, Palestine and Turkey ...do look like the brother who won in US election ... NO PROBLEM...
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 06:37 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Apparantly you do not live in Austin. Here we are making large inroads into changes in the city. The Mosques are growing at a fast rate. Reverts are on the increase and soon we will be in need of new Mosques. So far we have not had any Muslims run for public office that I know of, but it is just a matter of time and it will be Muslims with beards and who follow the Sunnah.

The University of Texas here (A State College) has an entire Islamic Department dedicated to such things as Qur'anic studies and Sharia law, all taught by Islamic scholars.



Source: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/mes/islamic/

As you're so positive for Muslims trying to represent themselves in American society ... I have to say 'Bravo!' to you...
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imaad_udeen
11-08-2006, 06:45 AM
I voted for a Republican for governor, democrat for Senate and Republican for House of Reps.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 06:46 AM
Originally Posted by imaad_udeen
I voted for a Republican for governor, democrat for Senate and Republican for House of Reps.
As other Americans ... you vote them on their personal being... not party right?
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imaad_udeen
11-08-2006, 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
As other Americans ... you vote them on their personal being... not party right?
Right, but I'm not sure how many other Americans vote like that. I am not a member of any political party, except Islam.

:)
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 06:50 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
As you're so positive for Muslims trying to represent themselves in American society ... I have to say 'Bravo!' to you...
It is simply that as people become aware as to what Muslims really are, they discover that we are for the very same goals and standards that most Americans want for their children to have. the people just want the choice for it to be their decision and not forced upon them.

The loose morals picture is the image posted around the world, but the majority of Americans have very high standards of morality and modest dress. In spite of the movies, drunkeness and nudity are frowned upon by most Americans.

People are unaware of the stiff drinking laws we have here in Texas. In Texas a person can be arrested for Public Intoxication on the arresting oficers belief that the person is intoxicated. No minimum amount of alcohol is required and any amount, no matter how small is sufficient for a conviction. There are also the open container laws. It is illegal to have an open container of any alcoholic beverage except on private property.
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north_malaysian
11-08-2006, 08:19 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
It is simply that as people become aware as to what Muslims really are, they discover that we are for the very same goals and standards that most Americans want for their children to have. the people just want the choice for it to be their decision and not forced upon them.

The loose morals picture is the image posted around the world, but the majority of Americans have very high standards of morality and modest dress. In spite of the movies, drunkeness and nudity are frowned upon by most Americans.

People are unaware of the stiff drinking laws we have here in Texas. In Texas a person can be arrested for Public Intoxication on the arresting oficers belief that the person is intoxicated. No minimum amount of alcohol is required and any amount, no matter how small is sufficient for a conviction. There are also the open container laws. It is illegal to have an open container of any alcoholic beverage except on private property.
Is it true... there is a state law (which state .. I dont remember).. where it's an offence to bite other people's burger?
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*noor
11-08-2006, 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
no, but i think that saying it's wrong for people to discriminate against muslims but it's all right to discriminate against gays is just crazy. why pick? why not be tolerant of ALL?
there is a fine line between tolerance and support

Even though I do not agree with gays, I tolerate them just as I tolerate all other people living around me. I just wouldn't feel right supporting something I am against. And just so you know, I'm the type of person that gets along with pretty much everyone no matter their beliefs. But I don't support everyone's beliefs.
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Is it true... there is a state law (which state .. I dont remember).. where it's an offence to bite other people's burger?
There are very many state and local laws that are very strange and often misunderstood. Here in Texas the City of Goliad has an ordinace that makes it illegal for a man to wear his pants in his boots unless he owns at least 2 cows. With a lot of these old laws the reason behind them is no longer known. Most of them "blue" laws are no longer enforced. we have many different levels of law. There are ordinaces, local laws, State laws and Federal laws. Many of the local laws carry very small penalties if any and do not become part of a criminal record. We also have a big seperation between civil and criminal law. A community has the right to pass it's own laws as long as they do not violate any State or Federal laws and do not discriminate against anyone on the basis of Race, religion or national origin. Such as many Towns and even counties outlaw the sale of alcohol. Some areas have outlawed public smoking.

Looking at the Election results this morning the Democrats appear to have a majority of the seats in the House of representatives.
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Keltoi
11-08-2006, 02:38 PM
I believe this election was about a return to the middle. The Republican base showed up to vote where they were supposed to, but the independent voters seemed to have voted the other way this election as opposed to the last one. I think this election was a good thing for the country, not because I supported a Democrat takeover of Congress, but because things might actually get done in the legislature if gridlock can be avoided.
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thirdwatch512
11-08-2006, 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Apparantly you do not live in Austin. Here we are making large inroads into changes in the city. The Mosques are growing at a fast rate. Reverts are on the increase and soon we will be in need of new Mosques. So far we have not had any Muslims run for public office that I know of, but it is just a matter of time and it will be Muslims with beards and who follow the Sunnah.

The University of Texas here (A State College) has an entire Islamic Department dedicated to such things as Qur'anic studies and Sharia law, all taught by Islamic scholars.



Source: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/mes/islamic/

sorry to say, but us austinites are just wayy too liberal to become muslim! and i haven't seen an increase in muslims at all.. i don't even know where a mosque is! i know there's an islamic school in manor, but that's about all.

now when i went to the new round rock premium outlets, there were lots of muslims there once.. a ton.. but that was the only time i saw any.

i think you guys are going to be surprised when muslim youth become adults.. the muslim youth i know.. are about as liberal as it gets!!
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Woodrow
11-08-2006, 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
sorry to say, but us austinites are just wayy too liberal to become muslim! and i haven't seen an increase in muslims at all.. i don't even know where a mosque is! i know there's an islamic school in manor, but that's about all.

now when i went to the new round rock premium outlets, there were lots of muslims there once.. a ton.. but that was the only time i saw any.

i think you guys are going to be surprised when muslim youth become adults.. the muslim youth i know.. are about as liberal as it gets!!
sorry to say, but us austinites are just wayy too liberal to become muslim! and i haven't seen an increase in muslims at all.. i don't even know where a mosque is! i know there's an islamic school in manor, but that's about all.
Nobody is expecting Austinites to become Muslim. There is no compulsion by us for them to be. We are simply pleased that Austinites are liberal enough to view us as people with equal rights and we do not feel discriminated against here.

There are 5 main Mosques in Austin. The Islamic School and Center is also the location of the largest Mosque.

i
think you guys are going to be surprised when muslim youth become adults.. the muslim youth i know.. are about as liberal as it gets!![/
No surprise. Actually you will discover that in regards to acceptance of non-Muslims we are very liberal. We do not believe in forcing Islam upon others. We just do not want other beliefs forced upon us either. I do not see any problems Muslims and Non-Muslims will have with each other here in Austin.
Our Muslim youth are attending the Public schools and have had no problems. Many are curious about non-Muslims, but the Mosques do have a large number of youth members, that are very dedicated to the love of Allah(swt)

The current Muslim population here was estimated at 5,000 in 1990, I am quite certain it is now much larger.

MUSLIMS. Texas has the eighth-largest Muslim population in the United States. In 1990 there were approximately 140,000 Muslims in Texas, which represented 0.7 percent of the state population and 2.8 of the total Muslim population in the United States. Most Muslims are concentrated in the urban centers of the state. Houston has some twenty-two Islamic centers and mosques and a Muslim population of 57,000, and Dallas has fifteen centers and 30,000 Muslims. The Muslim population is 4,000 in Fort Worth and 3,000 in Arlington. Austin and San Antonio each have 5,000, El Paso has 1,500, and there are small Muslim communities in Bryan-College Station, Corpus Christi, and Kingsville. Among the more prominent Islamic organizations in the state are the Muslim Students Association, the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim Arab Youth Association, the Islamic Circle of North America, and the Al Quaran-Was-Sunnah Society.
Source:http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/.../MM/irmxh.html

as you can see a significant Muslim population does not equate into any threat for the non-Muslims and like you have said we are not really noticed as being a different part of Austin residents. I believe we have mixed in very well. Much of this is because of the accepting, kind nature of Austinites.
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thirdwatch512
11-09-2006, 12:26 AM
oh yes, and i think liberal austin should be an example of how working together solves problems and doesn't create. here in austin, you can be gay, illegal, criminal, muslim, jew, hindu, sikh, baha'i, whoever, and you are accepted with no stares. in dallas on the other hand, it wouldn't be surprising to see mosques be destructed by grafitti and all. and in dallas muslims and non muslims don't get along, and there's all kinds of problems. here in austin though.. we are tolerant of all, and non muslims and muslims live peacefully together.

liberalism is the way to go! lol
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Woodrow
11-09-2006, 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
oh yes, and i think liberal austin should be an example of how working together solves problems and doesn't create. here in austin, you can be gay, illegal, criminal, muslim, jew, hindu, sikh, baha'i, whoever, and you are accepted with no stares. in dallas on the other hand, it wouldn't be surprising to see mosques be destructed by grafitti and all. and in dallas muslims and non muslims don't get along, and there's all kinds of problems. here in austin though.. we are tolerant of all, and non muslims and muslims live peacefully together.

liberalism is the way to go! lol
I think it should be clarified that liberalism does not have to equate with public lewdness or obscenities. Austin is a very clean city with little abuse of freedom. Many Austinites if not the majority are deeply religious and do promote high morality. A benefit of a liberal city, we have the right to be as religiously conservative as we desire, with no interference.

I have not been in Austin very long. But, my daughter and her family have been here for over ten years and they appreciate the freedom to worship as they choose, with no outside influences to do otherwise. Many of my Muslim Brothers moved here from Dallas for that reason. Not all of the Dallas area is bad, the Garland region is becoming much like Austin. It is a simple concept, and it works. there is no need for Non-Muslims to be anti Muslim or for Muslim to be anti-NonMuslim. we will never agree on our religions, but we can agree not to harm each other.
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thirdwatch512
11-09-2006, 12:52 AM
austin is religious? hah, i wouldn't necessarily say that, as a lot of my friends are atheist/agnostic, or non religious.

yeah, and i don't have a problem with muslims.. [REMOVED] and i hate how some muslims are very intolerant. but still, not all muslims are like that.


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Woodrow
11-09-2006, 01:17 AM
Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
austin is religious? hah, i wouldn't necessarily say that, as a lot of my friends are atheist/agnostic, or non religious.

yeah, and i don't have a problem with muslims.. [REMOVED] and i hate how some muslims are very intolerant. but still, not all muslims are like that.


MOD: PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. SEE THIS THREAD
That is true. However, that is a true statement for all religions. I have met more then one fundamentalist Christian, Jew and whatever that was a bit on the intolerant side.
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Woodrow
11-09-2006, 01:37 AM
:threadclo Looking at this thread. The Election is over, this is no longer a current topic and the thread has become basicaly a travelogue about Texas, My Fault.

There is no need in continuing this thread. If we want a thread about Texas and Austin we can start one in the appropriate forum. But, all has been said here that can be said about the election so:

:threadclo
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