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soulsociety
11-16-2006, 04:58 PM
Just been invited to Christmas lunch... a colleague asked would I mind going to a restaurant where they serve alcoholic drinks... usually they go to a pub, but he would like it so that everyone (ie - me) can go, so asked me about this Italian restaurant... Should I go?

But mashallah, it's nice they thought about NOT going to a pub!

If I do go I'll have veg pasta/pizza...
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The Ruler
11-16-2006, 05:01 PM
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oh this might be slightly off topic...but it is kinda related...my head of year is organising a separate christmas dinner for us....she is paying and everything...and all of the year is invited...should i go or should i not :?

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Daffodil
11-16-2006, 05:14 PM
u going to a xmas lunch is actualy an act of kufr because u wud be showing approval for their kufr celebration.

the fifth condition of shahada is that u condemn all false hood such as things which are not from islam i.e sexism, ageism, comunism, socialism, hinduism, christianity, diwali, buddism etc etc, so all that is not from islam such as religions and birthdays and all other falsehoods.

not only that but its haram for u to even sit at a table where ppl are drinking alcohol, do a search on islam q and a and ull find more detailed answers of what ive sed.
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~Stranger~
11-16-2006, 07:25 PM
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[PIE]Question:
She says: I want to become Muslim, but my family gather to celebrate Christmas, and I want to go and greet them. This is not with the intention of celebrating or joining in, but simply to make the most of the opportunity of my relatives getting together. Is this allowed?

Answer:

We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen,who answered as follows:

No, it is not permitted. If Allaah blesses her with Islam, then the first thing she must do is to distance herself from her former religion and its festivals.

And Allaah knows best.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen
Islam Q&A[/PIE]
[pie]
Question:
Can a muslim celebrate a non muslim holiday like Thanksgiving?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.
Greeting the kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is haraam, by consensus, as Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah."

Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. . ."
[al-Zumar 39:7]

". . . This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion . . ."
[al-Maa’idah 5:3]

So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the whole of mankind. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]

It is haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations on such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them as it implies taking part in their celebrations.

Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said in his book Iqtidaa’ al-siraat al-mustaqeem mukhaalifat ashaab al-jaheem: "Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak."

Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or to be friendly, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because it makes the kuffaar feel proud of their religion.

Allaah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their religion, to help them adhere steadfastly to it, and to make them victorious over their enemies, for He is the Strong and Omnipotent.


Majmoo’ah Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3/369)
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soulsociety
11-16-2006, 07:31 PM
Erm, I won't be celebrating Christmas and I don't think my colleagues are either, they are secular. There won't be any prayers said. It's an excuse for a free lunch and time off work!

What I am worried about is the alcohol at the same table...So I don't think I'll be going now.

If it was non-alcoholic then I'd go...
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Protected_Diamond
11-16-2006, 07:45 PM
Oh wow sis Daffodil, you making me think.....jazahka Allah didn't see it from that point of view :)
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soulsociety
11-16-2006, 11:14 PM
Originally Posted by Daffodil

the fifth condition of shahada

hmmm... Where did you get this 5th ocndition of shahada from?
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- Qatada -
11-16-2006, 11:22 PM
We have to consider that when declare from our heart that “ there is no god (deity) worthy to be worshipped but Allah”, it implies on our part love, devotion, faith and obedience to the rules of Islamic legislations which are legally binding on all Muslims. It is a requiremant of “there is no god worthy to be worshipped but Allah” to love for the sake of Allah and to reject for the sake of Allah.


This is the firmest anchor of belief which materialise the meaning of “AL WALA” and “AL BARA”. It means that a Muslim should love and be loyal to his Muslim brothers. He should, as a practise, dissociate himself completely from the unbelievers and refuse to be influenced by them, both in wordly and religious matters.



http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...%20wal%20baraa



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syilla
11-17-2006, 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by soulsociety
Erm, I won't be celebrating Christmas and I don't think my colleagues are either, they are secular. There won't be any prayers said. It's an excuse for a free lunch and time off work!

What I am worried about is the alcohol at the same table...So I don't think I'll be going now.

If it was non-alcoholic then I'd go...
i understand how you feel...

i think my scenario is worse....as my dad and his family is the one who organize in eating dinner in place where they served alcohol.

of course we don't drink it...and i already suggested other places...

well...you know the rich ppl excuses...not tasty...not a great environment....and etc...

(i just hate it when they do that...if you want to eat...just go and find a halaal place and then eat...full stop...why they have to make a deal of it *sigh)

but i have to go....because my relationship with my dad is quite sour. And i'm trying my best not to hurt his feeling...and try to be nice.

i don't really eat though...i even feel like vomiting when i'm in the restaurant...
after the dinner....i have to go and find food...so hungry after that.

imsad imsad imsad
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