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soulsociety
12-11-2006, 11:59 PM
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I was thinking of going to Cairo but... I mean I thought hired cars and boy racers on Eid in UK were bad... but this:

Sunday, October 29, 2006
Mass sexual assault in downtown Cairo

On the first two days of Eid in Cairo, a mob of hundreds of men swept through downtown attacking and sexually assaulting random girls in an animalistic display that must boggle every mind. Apparently, the utter lack of basic decency, respect for women, or the rule of law was not confined to Ramadan alone - in fact, Ramadan was the only thing suppressing the baser instincts of these men. I feel sick at heart, and may never spend time downtown again, as it seems we women are actively in danger there. Will Cairo one day be like Mogadishu, where every woman is raped before she turns 16?


Who to blame? I'll go with law enforcement. I was assigned an article once that said that a rape takes place every three minutes in North America alone; God knows what the number is worldwide. Many rapes are not reported. It is safe to say that is it futile to rail against dangerous male misconceptions of sex, and women, and consent. The only thing that can prevent sexual assault is fear of consequences, a fear that is entirely absent in Egypt. Socially, people don't give a **** – it's the woman's fault, somehow, and apparently hormones serve as a complete defense to any crime. Egypt's criminal code provides for numerous avenues of protection against assault, sexual harassment, and even unpleasant language. However, these felonies are rarely prosecuted and even more rarely reported. A woman must have witnesses or physical evidence to even file a charge. Same old, I guess. It'll be a few decades before they realize that credibility is usually the only evidence any decision maker has in any case, and that rape should be no different. Of course, in this case, witnesses and physical evidence were plentiful, but nothing will happen. I'm also of the opinion, of course, that if pre-marital sex were feasible, forget socially permitted, there would be less pent-up frustration. But then, who creates the laws that curtail privacy rights? Who are the people that condemn women who have extra-marital sex? Men. Men who then turn around and place the blame for their choices on women. People who have religious reasons for abstention from pre-marital sex will abstain regardless, but the law has no place in the bedrooms of the nation (Pierre Trudeau), and a hymen is not the same as a character reference.


The Egyptian Center for Women's Rights has been organizing a campaign for some time against the persistent verbal and physical violence against women in Cairo. It is possible to contain it and deter it; it has virtually vanished from several Gulf countries as a result of increased police vigilance, fines, and the publicizing of the pictures of perpetrators. Something like that should be done here. Just because the men of Egypt are sexually frustrated, poor, and oppressed does not mean they can oppress others. Let's do something - go volunteer, anything. I will. We women are Egyptians too and the streets are just as much ours as theirs.


Below is an eyewitness account I translated, in a somewhat rudimentary fashion, by Malek, a blogger who was there at the time. Find pictures at Wael Abbas.



Downtown’s Sexual Frenzy

Update:

Today I saw the same scene on the Nile Corniche (Abdel Minem Riad) that I saw yesterday. I could not take any photographs but Radwa assured me that she saw incidents of assault taking place in front of her before she found a taxi and sped home.

There was no police interference despite the presence of Central Security forces near the Arab League and near the American embassy, not more than 5 minutes away on foot from the site of the events.


While yesterday the attacks were just random, young men now formed human trains that approached a girl quickly and surrounded her completely and began groping parts of her body. You can find pictures of what occurred at the end of the post.


We were sitting in a coffee shop downtown, I and Wael Abbas and Nasser Noury (a photographer for Reuters) and Mohammed El Sharkawy and others. A colleague joined us and told us that in front of Cinema Metro on Talaat Harb Street sexual assaults were taking place and that the cinema's ticket window had been vandalized.


We made our way over there shortly, and in our minds we thought that what our colleague had told us was merely empty talk, with no basis in truth, especially as the streets surrounding Cinema Metro were very quiet as we walked toward there. We stopped at the cinema after we saw that the shattered ticket window, supposing that what the colleague had told us was just illusion or exaggeration at the most, but then after less than five minutes we found vast numbers of youth whistling and running towards Adly Street. We accompanied them to see what was going on.


We were surprised to find a girl in her early twenties who had fainted on the ground, surrounded by a large number of youth who were groping parts of her body and taking off her clothes.


I could not understand, or rather could not absorb, what was happening…the girl got up quickly and tried to run in any direction until she saw a Syrian restaurant called "el Madyafa" or something, and ran into it. The young men surrounded the restaurant and did not leave till one of them shouted, "There's another girl in front of Miami!"


Everyone ran towards Talaat Harb Street again. I found there a girl encircled by hundreds of men who were trying to grope her and rip off her clothes. This time the girl was rescued by a taxi driver who picked her up in his taxi, but the men did not let the taxi pass and they formed a circle around it demanding that she get out of the car until a policeman interfered, raising his baton and beating anyone he saw in front of him.


The crowd did not disperse until the appearance of two girls wearing the Khaliji ebaya (loose outer garment worn by women from the Gulf) walking alone down the street. The young men surrounded them completely and a large number of them pressed against the girls and removed the veils they were wearing, and attempted to remove their ebayas, while 10 and 11 year old boys slipped inside the ebayas from beneath.


Once again shop owners interfered and sprayed the men with water, and took the girls inside their shops. After less than a second the actress Ola Ghanem, who is starring in one of the movies opening on Eid (Abadet Mawasem), appeared and the young men tried to get to her too, but she was surrounded by personal body guards who tried to protect her but were unable to block all the hungry hands that reached for Ola's breasts.


After a short while another girl appeared who was also wearing the veil and the ebaya. She was also surrounded and they succeeded this time is removing the ebaya, but a security guard was able to draw her into a building and shut the gate and prevent the young men from reaching the girl.


There was another girl who wore trousers that were a little tight and an ordinary shirt. This time her shirt was removed and her bra ripped and no one helped her except one of the security personnel who had a club and who pulled her into a shop.


These were the incidents I was able to personally witness in less than an hour I spent in that area. I left after a conflict arose between us and the security who refused to let us take photographs, and between youth who wanted to steal Wael's camera, and Wael Abbas and Peter Alfred and Nasser Noury.


The photographs that were taken were out of focus and did not depict the acts of abuse sufficiently, but it was in every case abuse. A very tight circle would be formed and the prey would be in the centre and no one could see what was happening very well.


We heard that one girl had her clothes ripped completely off and that she ran naked until she entered one of the shops and another who got cornered against a wall and surrounded and viciously violated.


There was no police presence and when I asked a lieutenant who was with the Central Security forces he told me that there was Eid all over Egypt and that they could not dispatch any forces to downtown!!!


I was deeply astonished and told him that Eid celebrations were focused on downtown and downtown's theaters, so how could there not be any forces??? He did not answer and left.


While Wael was photographing the events one security officer pointed his revolver at Wael, threatening to kill him if he continued to take pictures. Wael reacted strongly and we were going to clash with the man, if he hadn't fled into a building.


I could not blame the young men. In my opinion, sexual repression and depression and cowardice (I do not excuse the perpetrators for what they did, I just cannot understand the motives of over a thousand people who moved as one body towards a single target, I can't understand) led them to not even distinguish between a veiled girl and an unveiled girl, or even a munaqaba girl (face veiled). Repression and a severe sexual frenzy made them unable to make any distinctions. One of the chants that they repeated when they headed towards a prey was "Yay, we get to ****! Yay, we get to ****!" and another after they were done with a girl and headed towards another, "Another one…another one!"


And the chants when they saw women in ebayat, "Beep beep beep…Saudi…beep beep beep Saudi".


I don't know who to blame for what I saw. The hysterical girls in the street in front of me? Do I blame the sexually frenzied young men, half of whom, or a little less, will find out when they have sex that they are impotent or ejaculate prematurely or unable to sustain an erection? Should I blame the utter lack of police presence downtown, and allowing this to be so for more than four hours?


Then young men did not distinguish when they undertook their assaults between veiled and unveiled girls.


They did not distinguish on the basis of age.


They were not all of one age, some were ten and under up to men in their forties.


There was an astounding state of chaos that persists until right now (we went there at 8, and now it is 12:30). There was no recognition of any authority or law or ethical values or even religion. There was chaos…but chaos wrongly directed and for the wrong aims.


Final notes:

We tried to direct girls away from the area by standing at the intersection of Abdelkhalek Tharwat Street and Taalat Harb to warn girls not to take Talaat Harb and explaining to them what was going on, and they responded. We managed to do this with more than one girl. Some girls stood next to us because some of us had video cameras, to secure safety, and the youth were unable to attack them because they realized some of us were journalists and they were afraid to have their pictures published. Several men I photographed tried to threaten peter and Nasser with confiscating their cameras in protest at our photographing them. Most of the pictures we took did not clearly show details because every girl was in a tiny circle and we could not get to her.


We tried more than once to break up what was going on but our number did not exceed seven
people, so we couldn't do anything and every time a shop owner or taxi driver of buildin security guard would appear and help the girl enter into their premises.


What happened was a farce on every level. Until now I cannot understand the motives that can move more than a thousand young men in one movement towards sexually harassing and sexually assaulting girls passing through the streets, girls of every kind, veiled, facially veiled, unveiled, Muslim, or non-Muslim.


Sexual repression, cowardice, weakness, an attempt to oppress those who are weaker than you…I do not know the truth of what is written or analyzed regarding what happened.
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FBI
12-12-2006, 12:06 AM
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I'd cut their privet parts off make them eat it, then hang them.
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Skillganon
12-12-2006, 12:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by FBI
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I'd cut their privet parts off make them eat it, then hang them.
Well if that what is really going on in reality, I won't blame you.

What is the punishment for this type of behaviour?
Why their are not measureable enforcement taking place.

Eid or no Eid their is no excuse for this type of thing's to be allowed.
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soulsociety
12-12-2006, 12:30 AM
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Last time during the election, the Police were helping these attacks take place on women.
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DaNgErOuS MiNdS
12-12-2006, 12:34 AM
The people that commit such crime should be severely punsihed, whther there is truth to the article I dont know.
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AbdulHassanAmir
12-12-2006, 12:51 AM
I'm suppose to believe a random persons blog ? With not even a link to it?
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north_malaysian
12-12-2006, 08:31 AM
I would make them naked... and let hundreds of tigers eat them...:offended:
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Nuseyba bintkab
12-12-2006, 10:38 AM
this is shocking
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soulsociety
12-12-2006, 11:35 AM
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Cairo street crowds target women
By Magdi Abdelhadi
Arab affairs analyst, BBC News



Egyptians are horrified by the news that women have been assaulted by hordes of young men in the centre of the capital, Cairo.

The incidents were first reported online by Egyptian bloggers, some of whom saw large number of men harassing the women and ripping off their clothes.

It all happened over the Eid al-Fitr period starting on 23 October, as thousands of young men thronged the streets of central Cairo to celebrate the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.

One blogger who took pictures of what happened dubbed the incidents "sexual voracity down town".

According to the bloggers, the attackers targeted veiled as well as unveiled women who happened to be on their own.

The state media ignored the incidents, but ordinary Egyptians where shocked when they heard for the first time eyewitness accounts broadcast on the private television channel Dream.

Women chased

"We saw one girl being chased by a man, her blouse torn off, she ran inside a restaurant," one eyewitness reported.

We took the girl inside and locked the door. There were four or five of us. But there were hundreds of young men outside trying to break down the door
Cairo shop owner

"Seconds later young boys were shouting that there was another one by the Miami cinema. We went there and saw another girl surrounded by a crowd trying to assault her. She managed to run inside a nearby building.

"A third girl jumped into a cab as she was being chased. But the taxi couldn't move because of the crowd. Then they tried to pull the driver out of the car then the girl herself," the witness told Dream TV.

One eyewitness was too embarrassed to recount what he saw: "There were youths harassing the young women. What a shame! I really can not say any more about it."

Social malaise

One blogger wrote that as the police failed to protect the women, shop keepers had to intervene.

A shop owner described to the TV station what happened: "We took the girl inside and locked the door. There were four or five of us. But there were hundreds of young men outside trying to break down the door."

The bloggers blamed the incidents on widespread sexual frustration among Egypt's youths.

Most of them cannot afford to get married and premarital sex is strictly forbidden.

One commentator said that this was evidence of the breakdown of law and order in Egypt.

Another said the state deployed the police only to suppress political dissent but could not care less about the welfare of its own citizens.

A psychologist, Amr Abu Khaleel, attributed the predatory behaviour to the possible use of drugs and the breakdown of traditional values.

One prominent writer and journalist, Nabeel Sharaf al-Deen, said that such behaviour was the symptom of a deeper malaise in Egyptian society and warned that such incidents were the first stirrings of much bigger social unrest.

A statement by the ministry of the interior played down the incident, adding that it had not received any complaints from the public. It urged those who had anything to report to contact the police.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...st/6106500.stm

Published: 2006/11/01 14:36:51 GMT
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2SGamUeMec&eurl=
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Mawaddah
12-12-2006, 03:06 PM
Ya Allah!! What is the matter with them?? And there were no police or anything??? I"m speechless :offended:
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soulsociety
12-12-2006, 03:18 PM
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The police were watching, doing nothing.

It was shopkeepers and taxi drivers that came to help.

There's also a clip of two niqabis being molested in Saudi.
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north_malaysian
12-13-2006, 04:54 AM
I pray to God, that this kind of satanic act will not ever happen elsewhere... Amin Ya Rabb
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Skillganon
12-13-2006, 04:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
I would make them naked... and let hundreds of tigers eat them...:offended:
That is the most funniest thing I heard anyone say. :giggling:
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Isaac
12-13-2006, 05:27 PM
Some muslims in and not only that part of the world are far from their deen. It takes men and women with imaan to bring about peace and secuirty for a nation. Leaving it upto corrupt regimes and governenments would be a sign of weakness. If a muslim sees evil he should stop it. Certain muslims in certain parts of the wolrd have tried to bring law and order, yes it can be argued it was not 100% perfect in line with shari'a, but what is apart from that what is pure.

I was in Egypt last year, and as for the police some of them even harass women, whistle, taunt and even phycially touch them. As for the fitnah amongst some of the youth there, it is disgusting. Gilrs in hijaab, or fashion accessories in some people eyes hanging with groups of boys, holding hands, and on a friday nights in the al-azhar square, between Imam Hussain and Al-Azhar masjid is something else. Such historical masjids with such historial artifacts inside including the hair of our beloved messenger saw and some claim part of the body of Imam Hussain; grandson of Muhammed saw and yet all this fitnah.

I expect nothing lessfrom those that are governd by other than that which Allah has made clear through the shari'a. Note: There are some very very nice people in Egypt, with such nice manners like not seen anywhere else, but i suppose you get good and bad in alla communities.


May Allah bring about a change in the hearts of all muslims, male and female and let their be revolution throughout the muslim world in a peacful manner and if need be through the blood of the martyrs and the ink of the scholars.
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- Qatada -
12-13-2006, 05:41 PM
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Ameen to akhi Isaac's dua'. Allaah will deal with all the one's who bring corruption into the muslim lands, they might feel all 'macho' right now.. but Allaah will take care of all that evil insha'Allaah. Allaah is aware of all that they do, He is with the sabiroon (patient), and those who believe.
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SilentObserver
12-16-2006, 08:38 AM
Madness, complete madness. The east is strange, it seems very dangerous there.
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Umu 'Isa
12-16-2006, 09:35 AM
subhan Allah this is disgusting :offended:

the ummah is in such a bad state imsad
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Snowflake
12-16-2006, 11:15 AM
These youth are already frustrated due to poor economy, high employment, lack of opportunities and then exposure to western media and lifestyle pull out the safety pin of islamic prohibitions and the result is an explosion of immorality blasting society apart.

I'm not saying the western media is entirely to blame, but that it is doing the job of adding fuel to fire. Muslims in the east simply cannot handle this kind of exposure that is alien to their culture. Society does not allow them to freely imitate the west. So they are like hungry dogs who are shown a bone but can't quiet have it unless they snatch it in mad frenzied attacks.

The Miami Cinema speaks for itself.
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AHMED_GUREY
12-16-2006, 11:33 AM
very sad!
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nutty
12-16-2006, 02:17 PM
Astagfirullah, This is just so sick

What was supposing to be happening in the youtube video, didn't understand it. Just saw a bunch of men following something and then it stop.
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Makky
12-16-2006, 04:40 PM
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the True story:
A famous dancer called Dina was infornt of a theater between the crowds whom were waiting to get tickets to see her latest film .
she danced almost naked among the crowds infront of the theater. then you know the rest of the story

but they were a group of 15 to 20 guys , max number heard was 40 guys

the try story herehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6106500.stm
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SilentObserver
12-16-2006, 06:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis
These youth are already frustrated due to poor economy, high employment, lack of opportunities and then exposure to western media and lifestyle pull out the safety pin of islamic prohibitions and the result is an explosion of immorality blasting society apart.

I'm not saying the western media is entirely to blame, but that it is doing the job of adding fuel to fire. Muslims in the east simply cannot handle this kind of exposure that is alien to their culture. Society does not allow them to freely imitate the west. So they are like hungry dogs who are shown a bone but can't quiet have it unless they snatch it in mad frenzied attacks.

The Miami Cinema speaks for itself.
There are no excuses and noone else to blame. It is not the fault of the west everytime someone in the east does something terrible. These guys behaviour was disgusting, and there is nobody to blame but themselves. We are all responsible for our own behaviour.

Accountability.
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Snowflake
12-16-2006, 06:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SilentObserver
There are no excuses and noone else to blame. It is not the fault of the west everytime someone in the east does something terrible. These guys behaviour was disgusting, and there is nobody to blame but themselves. We are all responsible for our own behaviour.

Accountability.
I agree. I'm not saying the west is to blame per se, but rather that muslims allow themselves to be influenced by western media when they are unable to handle it's effects.
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