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Trumble
That is the nature of fiction. It is not the nature of official government documents. You could have forged a few, sure, but in this case the scale of the record makes such a suggestion complete nonsense.
No. But as I explained this conference has nothing whatsoever to do with finding out the truth. That is not its purpose.
I don't actually 'support' either, at least ahead of anybody else. I accept it happened as described because all the evidence is that it did. Nazi documents, confessions, first hand accounts of both victims and of the soldiers, Western Allies and Russian, who liberated the death camps. I'm not stupid enough to think the point of view of a few rabid anti-semites, neo-Nazis, KKK members and an Iranian with a blatant political agenda to undermine and destroy the State of Israel represents a serious historical argument for anything. It does not. The truth is known... and confirming it is not on the conference agenda.
I have no idea what your point here is supposed to be, you just seem intent on shooting yourself in the foot. Sure, the Japanese have refused acknowledge many atrocious war crimes. War crimes that nobody else doubts took place. Again, the truth is known, and again 'denial' is just an act of stupidity and disrespect.. but again with a political purpose. Unlike Nazi war crimes, though, I don't see Ahmenijad rushing to hold any conference to decide whether the Nanjing massacre actually happened. The victims were Chinese and not Jews.
Salaam,
Firsttly,i would say that a small lie that starts in the first place and propogated to be truth would more have the same points printed over and over again...LOL
case in point,Iraq has no WMD but because the lie was writtena dn spoekn so many times by the media,,people still beleive it.
So saying a notion is publicised and popular does not make it right it just makes it current...which cna be debunked after much investigation,,case in point Iraq war,no wmd all lies...
But again,the warhawks would use every manner to stop investigation and marginlaise the war in any form....thank god for investigators...
and the purpose of the forum is simple again i reiterate,the question was asked and all are asked to answer,if detractors say,FOR SHAME TO DOUBT,,but place no new evidence to support or to counter Ahmednijab claim,then who is the loser?
why not show the proof to ahmednijab and get understanding instead of forcing everyone to just accept the notion of the holocasut?
Do any Jew or american consider the outrage that Israel is doing to Palesitnian DAILY a holocasut?The Holocasue existed for a few years but how long has the toment endured for the Palestinians?
Denial..is the issue,,ignorance is complicit..
And if you beleive it then you believe it,it dont make it true for other just for you.And other like minded,but question will arise and thus to silence such question laws in germany are enacted to FORCE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THE HOLOCASUT..
If it was widely known why then for a law to pass?Resititution?Rememebrance? Anything?
And your reason for saying you beleive that the Holocasut happened as you ahd all these docuemnt and first hand experience and so on...
Did you know that China has an entire BUILDING on the atrocities and has records of every witness of the Japanese atrocity?
And for those same atrocities the Japanese deny and claim with their own proof that it never happened?
and did you know that Japan has even begin teaching their version of the invasion as they see it..
so the link is this....REASOn....why do people want to view the way they do.
As you pointed out,,Holocaust facts and so on....So does china have It..
So does Vietnam(agent orange).. So does myanmar..
But both sides have their own version of what happens.
So thru all this grey area,come in ivnestigators and questioner to put 2 and 2 together.to discuss and reveal finding..
So again i ask you,,do you force people into submission or get their understanding?
For you the Holocasut happened,for some it did not happen the way it is reported
Japan is a belligerent state that has never apologized for any atrocities,but for the Japanese they think they are maligned
For theVietnamese,,the US insistece on not recognizing any of their brutal tactic int he war is UNFORGIVING..,for the US they do not even wish to discuss it..
So tell me,in any of those cases whose view do you to follow,or would you have laws to say BElieve this and that?
with all this double story,can you balme if there are doubts?
Will you discuss and allay this doubt or jail and force people into accepting your way of thinking?
ahmednijab,has said he did not beleive,but ask for input..
And here are detractors who say,DONT DOUBT,JUST BELEIVE>..