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Sabbir_1
12-26-2006, 10:27 PM
ELEVISION INTERVIEWED


Name: Television ibne Iblîs

Other Names: TV, the box and The Boob Tube.

Birth: Early twentieth Century

Family Background: Well, my father is not unknown to you. In fact, he is very close to you. He is the very same Iblîs who was expelled from heaven because he refused to prostrate to your father, آdam. Since that day he has vowed to lead you and your kind astray. Oh yes! I must say, he is very, very successful in his work. I am proud that I am able to help my father in his work.

Your Duties: Oh! There are so many. It is not possible to mention all of them in this interview. However, I will try and mention the important ones:

1. To propagate nudity and sexual immorality. Of course, regarding this, I must admit that some of your own kind has made my work very easy for me by branding this function of mine as EDUCATIONAL!

2. To promote various crimes, such as violence, aggression, robbery, murder etc. I propagate these acts in the hope that it will be accepted as a mode of behaviour. In this sphere many “educated people” tend to get angry at my success. However, I soothe them in their leisure time with dances, ballets etc.

3. I am proud to say that I am the most successful brainwashing agent in the world.

4. I like showing my superiority by thinking for others. All those students who daydream in school will bear me out. I feed them with knowledge – theoretical and practical. There is no necessity whatsoever, for them to sit down and think.

5. My greatest function and the one I take the most pride in is to divert man’s attention from his Creator. After all, it is He who ejected my father from heaven. What could be more pleasing to me than to lead His greatest creation away from Him?

Are you successful? What? You dare ask! Have I not penetrated the Holy Lands? Look at the behaviour of your children. Which house does not possess me? Which newspaper can you find without these words: immorality, exploitation, corruption, discrimination, oppression, atheism, communist, hippy, lesbians, adultery, fornication, prostitution, abortion, nudism, rape, orgies, striptease, wife-swapping, casinos, brothels, deceit, divorce, gambling, smuggling, looting, blackmail, ransom, sabotage, espionage, terrorists, guerrillas, hijackers, refugees, war, famine, riots, strikes, turmoil, injustice, persecution, misery, jealousy, envy, swindling etc. Newspapers are my advertising agents.

Your Future: Very bright indeed. I am in great demand even in the Holy Lands. I was black and white and now I am Technicolor. I am improving my services all the time.

Your Dearest Friends: Cinema, novels and photography.

Your Greatest Enemies: The Qurân and the Sunnah.

Your Greatest Ambition: To serve my father Iblîs, as best as possible. It is his life-long desire that Adam’s children be led astray.
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Ninth_Scribe
12-27-2006, 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by khalil27
ELEVISION INTERVIEWED


Name: Television ibne Iblîs

Other Names: TV, the box and The Boob Tube.

Birth: Early twentieth Century
Whoa dude! That was very one-sided of you. TV was born from writing and drawing, both of which reflect the face of humanity. Words formed the Quran from the hand of one man, but there were many more words written by the hands of others. Did Allah take away words because of this? No. He did not. TV is just a communication, an invention whose only crime is its flawless reflection of humanity.

Both are just mirrors. You can say you don't like humanity - that's fine, I'm not all that hot for them myself. But it's silly to say you don't like the mirror by which the reflection was seen.

Ninth Scribe
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MinAhlilHadeeth
12-27-2006, 04:24 PM
:salamext:

Most of what is shown on television is evil, and the rest is mostly time-wasting. So I can see where Khalil is coming from.
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Ninth_Scribe
12-27-2006, 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Umm 'Abdullah
:salamext:

Most of what is shown on television is evil, and the rest is mostly time-wasting. So I can see where Khalil is coming from.
I'm not arguing. Just saying it is humanity that is reflecting all the evil. The more I watch, the more I understand what I'm up against. And it does blow my mind at times, but on the other hand, at least I can see it coming. Gives me a fighting chance because it's not invisible to me. There was a time when it used to be.

Ninth Scribe
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Kittygyal
12-27-2006, 06:54 PM
Asslamualikum Warhmathullahi Wrabarakathuhu

why need T.V anyway, i mean wasting time, why not waste your time on valuble stuff i.e Qura'an, salah you know W.O.R.S.H.I.P.I.N.G your creato Allah subahnwatallah! we have Qura'an we don't need T.V most of thy things on T.V are just garberrish!

Ma'assaalma
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Ninth_Scribe
12-27-2006, 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by Kittygyal
Asslamualikum Warhmathullahi Wrabarakathuhu

why need T.V anyway, i mean wasting time, why not waste your time on valuble stuff i.e Qura'an, salah you know W.O.R.S.H.I.P.I.N.G your creato Allah subahnwatallah! we have Qura'an we don't need T.V most of thy things on T.V are just garberrish!

Ma'assaalma
Not always. Any form of communication is an important asset to me. It's a type of dialogue. No, it's not always factual, the news is merely a reflection of the reporters' personal perception of an event, but where these perceptions differ and there is a reluctance to face-off and confront the issues that cause them, I consider dialogue a blessing since it gives me the means to collect all these differing perceptions so I can lay them out on my tables and try to sort them out.

Also, the internet could fall under the same accusations as TV, snce it is equally plagued by human sin, but I think the goal is to use these mediums to learn how to dispute an item with each other until (after so many different presentations) we're able to convince the others by complete understandng.

Ninth Scribe
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Chuck
12-27-2006, 07:25 PM
TV is just another form of communication. It is no different than print media (pen) except you can deliver your message visually and its influence is more than any other form of communication. I agree with N.Scribe, she explained it more clearly. Same argument can be made against books or internet.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
12-28-2006, 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by Chuck
TV is just another form of communication. It is no different than print media (pen) except you can deliver your message visually and its influence is more than any other form of communication. I agree with N.Scribe, she explained it more clearly. Same argument can be made against books or internet.
:wasalamex

You can control what books you pick up, and what sites you go on. But when 99% of what's on Television is rubbish, it's not that easy to control. An advert comes on with a woman in a bikini, you just sinned. Even with channels like Islam Channel they have music riddled into almost every programme, and almost every advert. And you see women who aren't covered properly. But what harm can come out of reading The Seerah, or the Qur'an? What harm will come to you by reading Islamic articles? I think it would be silly to compare T.V to books. They aren't the same.
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Chuck
12-28-2006, 08:01 PM
You can control what books you pick up, and what sites you go on.
You can do that with tv's too. 1. Choose Islamic channels or 2. use parental control system that's available on modern cable systems.

But what I really fear is that will leave the ground more open for anti-islam rhetoric and stereotyping for muslims. Our situation is already worse in the American media, I don't want to see it get worse. There are no channels of our own or general public to get our side of the story. With attitudes like these we don't really need enemies.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
12-29-2006, 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Chuck
You can do that with tv's too. 1. Choose Islamic channels or 2. use parental control system that's available on modern cable systems.
Like I said, some of the programmes on those channels can lead to sin aswell. I witnessed the presenter on a programme on an islamic channel saying that the plucking of the eyebrows was a 'petty', and that there are bigger issues to focus on. Sorry if haram and halal is petty, than I wonder what is an important issue to this presenter. There are a few good programmes on these channels, but then you have to watch adverts riddled with music in between.

But what I really fear is that will leave the ground more open for anti-islam rhetoric and stereotyping for muslims. Our situation is already worse in the American media, I don't want to see it get worse. There are no channels of our own or general public to get our side of the story. With attitudes like these we don't really need enemies.
Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
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Chuck
12-29-2006, 07:29 PM
Like I said, some of the programmes on those channels can lead to sin aswell. I witnessed the presenter on a programme on an islamic channel saying that the plucking of the eyebrows was a 'petty', and that there are bigger issues to focus on. Sorry if haram and halal is petty, than I wonder what is an important issue to this presenter. There are a few good programmes on these channels, but then you have to watch adverts riddled with music in between.
Samething can be said about internet media.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
We'll be stuck with Fox news I guess.

tv is a very strong communication medium.... muslims are still weak in this area. Right noew, anybody can body feed lies and distortion about Islam & muslims, and people in west believe it. So tell me what will happen if muslims leave tv media. Here is an extreme example, but think what will happen if muslims stop writing & communicating at all?

Prophet (pbuh) said don't commit excess in your religion.
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IceQueen~
12-29-2006, 07:33 PM
TV has a lot of brain-washing and mass hypnosis involved and lets you see things through only 'one way' and thoughtstream
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Ninth_Scribe
12-29-2006, 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by Umm 'Abdullah
:wasalamex

You can control what books you pick up, and what sites you go on. But when 99% of what's on Television is rubbish, it's not that easy to control. An advert comes on with a woman in a bikini, you just sinned. Even with channels like Islam Channel they have music riddled into almost every programme, and almost every advert. And you see women who aren't covered properly. But what harm can come out of reading The Seerah, or the Qur'an? What harm will come to you by reading Islamic articles? I think it would be silly to compare T.V to books. They aren't the same.
Ever watch the TV show, Numb3rs? The second season's episode entitled "The O.G." incorporates a strategy that was successfully campaigned in Iraq, so flawlesslessly and by the Numb3rs it would make your head spin! If you watched that episode, without my encouragement, you're reaction wouldn't change... you would still say, OMG! I recognized the strategy because I study these things, but I would never be able to explain how it works to this forum because the words fail me. I tried back in February and failed because it's so complex, people got bored by the details. I could show you this episode, though, and you could watch how it unfolds, how many it involves and exactly how it was executed. So I made this suggestion. What did everyone say?

But it's just a TV show! :blind:

Whatever... at least I tried... and that's all I'm obligated to do!

Ninth Scribe
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Ninth_Scribe
12-29-2006, 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by IceQueen~
TV has a lot of brain-washing and mass hypnosis involved and lets you see things through only 'one way' and thoughtstream
They turn the signal power up during commercials and run the blank 16th screen and even use Neurolinguistics... but I've seen this done during speeches as well (along with the political favorite called the Yes-Set). How do I know about all that? I certainly didn't learn it by refusing to learn ;)

Ninth Scribe
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MinAhlilHadeeth
01-03-2007, 04:07 PM
Originally Posted by Chuck
Samething can be said about internet media.


We'll be stuck with Fox news I guess.

tv is a very strong communication medium.... muslims are still weak in this area. Right noew, anybody can body feed lies and distortion about Islam & muslims, and people in west believe it. So tell me what will happen if muslims leave tv media. Here is an extreme example, but think what will happen if muslims stop writing & communicating at all?

Prophet (pbuh) said don't commit excess in your religion.
:salamext:

It's not in excess akhee. Many people would consider me an extremist today, and I say alhamdulillah. Extremism is haram, yes. But what people consider extreme today is not extreme at all. It's just a reassurance that i'm practicing my Deen.

We will be asked about how we spent every second of our lives. Some righteous scholars would be so wary of the time they spend that they would make tasbeeh whilst waiting for someone to reply on the phone. Television is just a time-wasting mechanism. But if Rasul-Allah (SAW) told us not to waste water whilst making wudhu, then how can we waste the precious time that Allah (SWT) has bestowed us with?

You can say that it is possible to waste time on the internet, that is true. But I already gave you examples of sites you can go on where you would not be wasting time.

You speak of the news. Is that really an excuse to waste time watching T.V? After the news report has just come in that Israel is bombing Palestine, what do you do? Do you do something about it, or do you reach for the packet of Doritos?
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Chuck
01-04-2007, 09:20 PM
You are not understanding my point, you are looking from entirely personal point of view and I'm looking for ummahs point of view.

Regarding Israel's example, Israel can abuse the rights of average Palestinian because Palestinians don't have a representation in the international media.

You can say that it is possible to waste time on the Internet, that is true. But I already gave you examples of sites you can go on where you would not be wasting time.
You can choose good Islamic programs and you won't be wasting any time. Actually, TV is better in this area since qualified scholars come more on TV. Scholars like Dr. Bilal Philips have daily or weekly segments on TV that you don't get on Internet due to bandwidth issues. These segments have better quality and less distracting. Sites are more distracting because they have more user input and thus links and search engines have a higher potential to lead to wrong or useless pages but interesting to the user like silly discussions.

However, here is an opinion of qualified scholar:
“TV, radio, magazines and newspapers are used for many purposes. We cannot qualify them as good or evil, lawful or unlawful. It depends on the way they are used and on the quality of programs and information they present. For instance, a weapon used by a person in fighting in Allah’s Cause can be used by another person to commit crimes. Therefore, it appears that a single tool can be used for various purposes.

This is applied to the case at hand. TV, like radios and newspapers, greatly contributes to mental, spiritual, psychological, ethical and social enhancement but it can also be greatly corrupting. This goes back to the quality of the programs it presents.

In brief, I can say that TV as well as all means of media presents good and evil and what is lawful and unlawful. The Muslim in this case is to judge the situation by himself. He can watch TV when it presents good and Islamically interesting program and put it off when it presents the otherwise. He can watch it to have updated news and follow other cultural, religious educational, and other lawful programs. Kids also can watch cartoon and other benefiting programs.

What is not permissible is to watch corrupting films that are full of obscene scenes, or films that give full vent to the Western idea of boy-girl friendship and extramarital affairs, etc. These films only aim at teaching vices and they encourage drinking wine and licentious dancing.

That is why many religious people do not allow these devices to enter their homes for they cause greater harm than its benefits and so they are considered unlawful especially that they have great effects on souls, minds and feelings.

There is no doubt that a great caution should be demonstrated regarding these devices. Yet the problem is that these means of media have become indispensable, given the good effects they sometimes have in imparting knowledge. That is why, as I have said, one should be very cautious in using them, i.e., whenever there are good stuff being presented on TV, there is nothing wrong in watching it, but a good Muslim should put it off the moment it presents licentious materials. The same is true for magazines.

Besides, if a person sees that he cannot exercise restraint or apply methods of regulating when and how he makes use of these means of media, then it’s better for him not to have them at home, in a way of blocking channels of evil. That’s my opinion on this issue.

I would like to add that the greatest responsibility falls on the state authorities in general and on those who are in charge of mass media in particular. Allah Almighty would question them as regards all the messages they convey to people and all the programs presented via means of media.

May Allah guide us to the right path!"

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MinAhlilHadeeth
01-05-2007, 10:29 AM
I didn't say it was haram.:) All I was trying to say was it contains many evils, and it is best to stay away from watching it. Here is another opinion by the way (Shaykh Ben Baz):

Whoever thinks that this device (TV) can be free of these evils and can be used only for good purposes if it is censored properly is exaggerating and is making a big mistake, because the censor may miss things and most people nowadays want to imitate the foreigners. It is very rare to find censors who are doing their job properly, especially nowadays when most people are only interested in time-wasting entertainment and things that turn people away from true guidance. Reality bears witness to that.
And Shaykh Salih al-Munajjid says:

The issue of watching films is not free from numerous reservations from a shar’i point of view, such as uncovering ‘awraat, listening to music, spreading corrupt beliefs and calling for imitation of the kuffaar. Allaah has commanded us to lower our gaze, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts)” [al-Noor 24:30-31].

Since lowering the gaze is the basis of protecting the private parts, it is mentioned first. Allaah has made the eyes the reflection of the heart: if a person lowers his gaze, the desire in his heart will be reduced, but if a person looks and stares, the desire in his heart will be provoked.

In Saheeh Muslim (1218) it is reported that Al-Fadl ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) was riding behind the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on the Day of Sacrifice (Yawm al-Nahr) from Muzdalifah to Mina, when some women riding on camel-borne sedan chairs passed by. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned his [al-Fadl’s] head away. This was prevention and denunciation through action, for if looking were permissible he would have approved of what he did.

In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (6343) it is reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every son of Adam has his share of zinaa decreed for him, and he will undoubtedly get his share. The eye commits zinaa and its zinaa is looking. The tongue commits zinaa and its zinaa is speaking; the feet commit zinaa and their zinaa is walking; the hands commit zinaa and their zinaa is touching. The heart longs and desires for something and the private parts confirm that or deny it.”

He began by mentioning the eye because this is how the zinaa of the hand, foot, heart and private parts begins. By mentioning the zinaa of the tongue, he pointed out that the mouth can commit zinaa by speaking. And he stated that the private parts can confirm that if they make the deed happen, or deny it if that does not happen.

This hadeeth gives the clearest indication that the eye can sin by looking and that this is its zinaa. This is a refutation to those who say that looking is allowed in all circumstances.

It was also reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O ‘Ali, do not follow a look with a second, for the first look is allowable but not the second.”

A look has the same effect on the heart as an arrow has on its victim. If it does not kill him, it will wound him. It is like a spark of fire in dried grass; if it does not burn all of it, it will still burn some of it. May Allaah have mercy on the one who said:

“Everything starts with a look, and big fires start from little sparks.

How often has a heart been dealt a fatal blow like that of an arrow, with no need for a bow.

As long as a man’s eyes are looking around, looking into the eyes of others, he is in a state of danger.

His eye delights in that which could destroy his heart. The joy that may lead to harm is not welcome.”
The source for both.
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Chuck
01-05-2007, 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Umm 'Abdullah
I didn't say it was haram.:) All I was trying to say was it contains many evils, and it is best to stay away from watching it. Here is another opinion by the way (Shaykh Ben Baz):
Internet has more evils and it is more difficult to censor. However, I'm not in favor of stoping any medium of communction. Actually, religious people should make more use of communication media whether it is print, radio, TV, or internet. As religious Amercian learned, if they are not gona use it, then somebody else will and reach/influence the masses. If you are saying that there are no good Islamic channels or TV programs, then it is better to produce new good Islamic programs, no?

Originally Posted by Umm 'Abdullah
And Shaykh Salih al-Munajjid says:
The source for both.
Shaykh is speaking about unislamic things. All communication media (mags, radio, tv, or internet) can have these issues, they don't apply to TV only.
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MinAhlilHadeeth
01-05-2007, 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Chuck
Internet has more evils and it is more difficult to censor. However, I'm not in favor of stoping any medium of communction. Actually, religious people should make more use of communication media whether it is print, radio, TV, or internet. As religious Amercian learned, if they are not gona use it, then somebody else will and reach/influence the masses. If you are saying that there are no good Islamic channels or TV programs, then it is better to produce new good Islamic programs, no?


Shaykh is speaking about unislamic things. All communication media (mags, radio, tv, or internet) can have these issues, they don't apply to TV only.
You forget the qoute of sheikh Ben Baz that shaykh Salih Al Munajjid qoutes at the end. Anyway i'm stopping this debate here. I don't see it going anywhere. May Allah have Mercy upon you.:)

:wasalamex
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Chuck
01-05-2007, 05:58 PM
You forget the qoute of sheikh Ben Baz that shaykh Salih Al Munajjid qoutes at the end.
Which one? First quote of sheikh Bin Baaz I've answered. The first one he spoke about evil and problem of censorship with the TV media. Like I said these issue are more for the internet. I'm sure if someone asked him about internet, he would have said same or more about internet since internet is more open than tv.

Second quote (quote from Shaykh Salih al-Munajjid) is speaking about issues that doesn't only apply to TV, like I said before. If I miss something you can quote it specifically.

May Allah have Mercy upon you.
Same to you, other muslims, and humans in general.
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